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LE0KING wrote:

Kurona wrote:
This franchise's tone has really gone far since the days of Optimus Prime playing basketball with Spike.

I think Last Stand of the Wreckers is where this series changed for me. It stopped being a fun, childish comic and suddenly became a serious and dark world whith a smiley face painted over it.

To be fair, IDW was aimed at an older audience from the start -- aside from of course the G1 setting drawing in nostalgia-induced audiences more than anything, you did have a darker tone and greater complexities than you'd expect from a children's franchise and it did as a result break away from a lot of those tropes.
That said, I think you are right in stating LSotW as the point where they really started taking advantage of the higher-than-normal age of their target demographic. Arguments could probably be made for Everything in its Right Place, mind; but LSotW is certainly where things got 'gritty', for lack of a better term.

... anyway, let's get back to talking about children's toys! Who have the pleasant gimmick of tearing the head off fan-favourite characters and turning them into a little robot!

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I really hope something newer than wave 3 actually does show up before the end of the year - even if it's only online.

I'd quite like a Legends Bumblebee or Brawn. Not seen a thing for 6 months other than a few Rescue Bots and a few RID One step changers and the 1st wave of TLK stuff. (no voyagers).

I think the Price increases didn't help.

I've said this ad nauseam, but I want my Shuffler! Closest I got was finding Repugnus!

*ahem* The price increases seem to be limited to the movie lines here, which is good.

o.supreme wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Overlord is really AMAZING. No regrets returning the faulty TLK Leader Megs for that one.

I now have a new Holy Grail to get. G1 Overlord. I thought G1 Scorponok was expensive at 400$. A 100% complete overlord is 700$ at the base minimum!

sigh...

I haven't priced Original Series Transformers in a long time, but alas I have Owned Overlord at two different times in the past. I had the European release first. I sold that and got the Japanese release and had it for a while before selling my entire collection back in 2007...

I was just curious if you were specifically looking at the Japanese D-307, or the European release? -The toy is the same for both, its just the Box and instructions/inserts that are different....For some reason the European one was always a bit less expensive, but that may not be the case now.

Either would be fine, but both are absurdly expensive.

o.supreme wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Overlord is really AMAZING. No regrets returning the faulty TLK Leader Megs for that one.

I now have a new Holy Grail to get. G1 Overlord. I thought G1 Scorponok was expensive at 400$. A 100% complete overlord is 700$ at the base minimum!

sigh...

I haven't priced Original Series Transformers in a long time, but alas I have Owned Overlord at two different times in the past. I had the European release first. I sold that and got the Japanese release and had it for a while before selling my entire collection back in 2007...

I was just curious if you were specifically looking at the Japanese D-307, or the European release? -The toy is the same for both, its just the Box and instructions/inserts that are different....For some reason the European one was always a bit less expensive, but that may not be the case now.

Sorry to brag, but I gotta' flaunt it a little. I have both versions of Overlord and the blues are slightly different, or the purples--can't remember--- I don't have them standing next to each other right now, but I know that they are different. Otherwise, no, no new paint apps., no different accessories...boxes are different though. Nothing else that I remember.

I don't think that the designated European version shows up as much as the Japanese version, but maybe it does because I'm not really looking anymore.

Tigertrack wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Overlord is really AMAZING. No regrets returning the faulty TLK Leader Megs for that one.

I now have a new Holy Grail to get. G1 Overlord. I thought G1 Scorponok was expensive at 400$. A 100% complete overlord is 700$ at the base minimum!

sigh...

I haven't priced Original Series Transformers in a long time, but alas I have Owned Overlord at two different times in the past. I had the European release first. I sold that and got the Japanese release and had it for a while before selling my entire collection back in 2007...

I was just curious if you were specifically looking at the Japanese D-307, or the European release? -The toy is the same for both, its just the Box and instructions/inserts that are different....For some reason the European one was always a bit less expensive, but that may not be the case now.

Sorry to brag, but I gotta' flaunt it a little. I have both versions of Overlord and the blues are slightly different, or the purples--can't remember--- I don't have them standing next to each other right now, but I know that they are different. Otherwise, no, no new paint apps., no different accessories...boxes are different though. Nothing else that I remember.

I don't think that the designated European version shows up as much as the Japanese version, but maybe it does because I'm not really looking anymore.

Without the boxes, who would know the difference on first glance? For that matter, who would actually care aside from the appraisers?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Tigertrack wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Overlord is really AMAZING. No regrets returning the faulty TLK Leader Megs for that one.

I now have a new Holy Grail to get. G1 Overlord. I thought G1 Scorponok was expensive at 400$. A 100% complete overlord is 700$ at the base minimum!

sigh...

I haven't priced Original Series Transformers in a long time, but alas I have Owned Overlord at two different times in the past. I had the European release first. I sold that and got the Japanese release and had it for a while before selling my entire collection back in 2007...

I was just curious if you were specifically looking at the Japanese D-307, or the European release? -The toy is the same for both, its just the Box and instructions/inserts that are different....For some reason the European one was always a bit less expensive, but that may not be the case now.

Sorry to brag, but I gotta' flaunt it a little. I have both versions of Overlord and the blues are slightly different, or the purples--can't remember--- I don't have them standing next to each other right now, but I know that they are different. Otherwise, no, no new paint apps., no different accessories...boxes are different though. Nothing else that I remember.

I don't think that the designated European version shows up as much as the Japanese version, but maybe it does because I'm not really looking anymore.

Without the boxes, who would know the difference on first glance? For that matter, who would actually care aside from the appraisers?

If you just want any G1 Overlord, no you aren't going to care. If you want a particular one, you might. *shrugs* eh, just sharing a slight difference exists... but no it is not a game changer for anyone looking for either one.

Dear god they look awesome together

By the way William, thanks for the gallery. I almost think it looks better with the Sky Shadow head.

I said that I will never have G1 Overlord due to his price.

But now I have almost all the Action Masters, I have G1 Apeface, Snapdragon, Defensor, Computron, 6 more headmasters, 12 pretenders (notably Bludgeon and Thunderwing) and a few more other G1s... As well as Scorponok!
Many if not most of them never even crossed my mind that I'd ever own them. But the stars aligned and they all came to me almost at once!

So a G1 Overlord certainly is not out of the question. As well as G1 Skyshadow and the G1 Masterforce pretenders and Headmaster Juniors... It will only be a matter of when.

Tigertrack wrote:By the way William, thanks for the gallery. I almost think it looks better with the Sky Shadow head.

No problem happy to help

I have a few more pics here. Its God Bomber attached to the Hasbro Magnus Prime. And a height comparison with Overlord.







That reverse ab crunch came real handy

william-james88 wrote:

Tigertrack wrote:By the way William, thanks for the gallery. I almost think it looks better with the Sky Shadow head.

No problem happy to help

I have a few more pics here. Its God Bomber attached to the Hasbro Magnus Prime. And a height comparison with Overlord.







That reverse ab crunch came real handy

Damn you! I told myself i don't need it, but now it looks like I'll be ordering it soon..... Can you get a good shot of the shin panels and godbomber's feet next to eachother under some good lighting though? I'm curious a second to how different they are without shadows.

Terrsolpix wrote:Damn you! I told myself i don't need it, but now it looks like I'll be ordering it soon..... Can you get a good shot of the shin panels and godbomber's feet next to eachother under some good lighting though? I'm curious a second to how different they are without shadows.

Will do so tomorrow morning But from what I saw, it made no difference. Believe it or not, Takara went with that Hasbro grey unpainted plastic on godbomber (on his face too, which sucks), so they end up matching quite well.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I said that I will never have G1 Overlord due to his price.

Let me share my G1 Overlord experience perhaps as a cautionary tale. Overlord was a figure I had wanted since I was a kid, until 2012 when I finally had a complete Overlord in my possession. I got him piece by piece over a 6 month period. I got everything separately. The jet, the tank, Mega, Giga, the weapons, everything. Every 2 weeks when I got paid I would buy a piece, regardless of the price. When he was completed, I was elated. For about 2 days. When the euphoria of finally having the Grail I have wanted for 20 years wore off, I realized what G1 Overlord really was: an inarticulate brick. Yes, that can be said about a lot of G1/G2 figures, but for some reason I expected Overlord to be more. But I was disappointed. I left him on the shelf for a while, after all, I got him to be displayed, but even there he felt like an eye sore. He didn't scale with Ginrai, or any other figure, except maybe G1 Scorponok or G2 Megatron. So I ended up selling him, and I haven't regretted it.

The above is a big reason I am looking forward to getting a TR Overlord, as the new figure looks to be superior to the G1 in every way, except maybe the integration of the Master figures.

I also wanted to share this so you can think about why exactly you want to get a G1 Overlord, especially before you commit to a large financial investment that a complete mint Overlord requires.

Why they couldn't cast the gray parts in the gray of CW Motormaster or better yet the grey used by Hot Rod's gray parts is beyond me.

Rodimus, I've seen them photographed together so I'm curious as to why you don't think G1 Overlord and Ginrai scale with each other. Admittedly by cartoon standards as well with God Ginrai (since the animators gave that combo the same sort of Super Mushroom Devastator et al usually got) admittedly, but otherwise he's reasonably in scale with the Masterforce toys. Among which, well... Funny you should bring up G1 Scorponok, considering.

williamjames88, can you take some shots of the God Ginrai/Apex Armor combo from the back? Also, I reiterate a question that seems to have been lost in the excitement: Can you see any actual difference between the core pieces of the calves on Hasbro PMOP and on Magnus Prime?

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Rodimus, I've seen them photographed together so I'm curious as to why you don't think G1 Overlord and Ginrai scale with each other. Admittedly by cartoon standards as well with God Ginrai (since the animators gave that combo the same sort of Super Mushroom Devastator et al usually got) admittedly, but otherwise he's reasonably in scale with the Masterforce toys. Among which, well... Funny you should bring up G1 Scorponok, considering.

Overlord towers over even God Ginrai in robot mode, despite Overlord being bigger in Masterforce. It's just not accurate and that always bothered me. The new TR figure looks like it will be better standing next to both the G1 and TR versions of Powermaster Prime. And the articulation is much better, along with little to no parts-forming.

Kurona wrote:

LE0KING wrote:

Albatross250 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Jason5billion wrote:It looks like someone's trying to break a toy. If that's all they can think of to do with them, then maybe they should hold raffles. To say something that's on topic with this thread, I believe I saw the Deluxe class Transformer that turns into an alligator or something at Target.

No, they are re-creating a scene from a comic book where Overlord stomps Pipes.

And still that's the most brutal thing in the IDW series

Ummm... Didn't the DJD electrocute and melt a guy before forcing him to eat his own brain?

Let's not forget the Skids flashback where Tarn tricked him into slowly melting a bunch of Autobot prisoners; talking about how he doesn't believe in a Heaven but he does believe "Hell exists" while making Skids watch.

This franchise's tone has really gone far since the days of Optimus Prime playing basketball with Spike.

But i still prefer Megatron went berserk and killed Tarn by force

Rodimus Prime wrote:I realized what G1 Overlord really was: an inarticulate brick. Yes, that can be said about a lot of G1/G2 figures, but for some reason I expected Overlord to be more. But I was disappointed. I left him on the shelf for a while, after all, I got him to be displayed, but even there he felt like an eye sore. He didn't scale with Ginrai, or any other figure, except maybe G1 Scorponok or G2 Megatron. So I ended up selling him, and I haven't regretted it.

G1 Scorponok and all the G1 Headmasters are exactly that. Unarticulated bricks with wonky looks and proportions.

Best example is just look at G1 Chromedome compared to the new TR version:





The G1 DO look pretty primitive compared to the NEW TR. But know what? I can't help but like it. It have that vintage naiveté that I just adore. Plus he's more fun to fiddle with than the TR version. And finally, the TR's values is increased tenfold just for being beside the original. Because I dind't really cared about that toy before getting the original. Now that I do, I found a new appreciation for the update. It the same thing for Midwipe, Skullsmacher/cruncher, Wolfwire/Weirdwolf, and Highbrow.

Each of these G1 Headmasters cost me 140$CAN. And oddly enough, I have no regrets.

The only thing that would make me regret buying a G1 Overlord is if the Powermaster gimmick get faulty or hard to use like G1 Dreadwing/Darkwing (that I thankfully avoided). My ultra expensive G1s are also for playing.

I'm the guy who LOVE his vintage robots, especially if they are FUN to play with. And I love their derpy looks. I even like the Super Gobots cars.

I can understand wholeheartedly what buyer remorse is for expensive figures. But it's different for everybody I guess. My biggest regret is Takara's MP-11 Starscream. What a piece of garbage with his cheap look, wonky chest, and for TRIPLE the price of the original...

As long as we're talking about regrets and Titans Return, I guess I'll say my biggest Transformers regret is buying Legends Arcee on sale. She's a very good recreation of the original design... but it's a pretty terrible design, and that face just looks awful. So I'm very glad that the new TR version looks a thousand times better... and very glad to see what Legends Arcee is going for on eBay

-Kanrabat- wrote:I'm the guy who LOVE his vintage robots, especially if they are FUN to play with.

That's just it. Overlord wasn't fun to play with at all. Not for me anyway. His arms and legs don't bend, and IIRC his waist doesn't move. He can't be posed, his only play value is changing him from bot to base. And that gets boring after a few times. So the only other purpose he served was being displayed. But the problem with that was that he was out of scale with his contemporaries. I mean, this is just my opinion, you might find him enjoyable. I just wanted to bring up my experience to make sure you weren't looking at him with nostalgia glasses and then regretted the 100s of dollars you spent on a complete Overlord.

Kurona wrote:As long as we're talking about regrets and Titans Return, I guess I'll say my biggest Transformers regret is buying Legends Arcee on sale. She's a very good recreation of the original design... but it's a pretty terrible design, and that face just looks awful.

I hesitated a lot and I finally didn't get it.And I think I'm happy with that.

In fact, her design for me seems to shout permanently "80'S".
Technically, it's not a bad design, it's just so.. vintage. so eigthies, from the color, the take on "feminine looking" etc..

Kurona wrote:So I'm very glad that the new TR version looks a thousand times better...

Same here.
Ok, not anime accurate, and it's what mades her looks finally great.

There's some designs like optimus or starscream, which works and are intemporal, and some design which are too much marked by a period and which should be forgotten.

I tend to use the wei Jiang Alcee as my default Arcee - she fits in better with the size I prefer playing with she's obtainable for under £15.00 now too I gave her a little TLC with some extra paint and I think she looks terrific. I'd say she's about the right size for a customise to put the Titans Returns Arcee head onto as well - is some one wanted to do that.

I have a small Arcee collection which I want to build on but I know some of the pieces I need will be a royal pain to get so I'm working on Cyclonus, Constructicons and Predacons for the time being.

I'd quite like it if they made a little G1 style Legion of her one day that would be fun to have.

ExciKaiser wrote:I hesitated a lot and I finally didn't get it.And I think I'm happy with that.

In fact, her design for me seems to shout permanently "80'S".
Technically, it's not a bad design, it's just so.. vintage. so eigthies, from the color, the take on "feminine looking" etc..

That confirms to me that takara aced it then. Legends Arcee is not really meant to be part of the same collection as all the other classics toys which all have updates in one way or another. The whole idea behind Legends Arcee is that this is the toy that would be coming out in the 80s when the cartoon was playing using today's technology. She is the arcee we never got. And then with the TR version, we get a modernized version which, like many modernized versions of old characters, is a retool/redeco using the line's current gimmick. So we are pretty much seeing the same life cycle of Quake in toy form but within only 3 years instead of 30.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I'm the guy who LOVE his vintage robots, especially if they are FUN to play with.

That's just it. Overlord wasn't fun to play with at all. Not for me anyway. His arms and legs don't bend, and IIRC his waist doesn't move. He can't be posed, his only play value is changing him from bot to base.

His head could rotate, at least, which not many G1 toys could do.

Do we have comic confirmation that there are only three phase sixers? The way Tarn spoke when taking down Black Shadow it sounded like he had killed other phase 6ers. Asking why they all couldn't stay loyal, and mentioning that when they died their sparks exploded (At that point all three were still alive) makes it sound like they've killed others.