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god almighty, are you two still arguing about that

Lunatic Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:So how do we call it now?
REUSE?

Just a shared part. Like how certain CW figures have the same wheels and HFG.

Which ones do have the same wheels who are not remolds? Because then those are not shared parts.

And I just wanted to introduce something like "repaint", "remold", "retool" and so on.

How about we dont. Lets just leave this alone. We already have enough plagiorative words to diminish a toy, lets leave it at that. This is just a shared part like all the combiner pegs on the CW toys, no different. We didnt have a word then, we dont need a word now.

Lunatic Prime wrote:And I just wanted to introduce something like "repaint", "remold", "retool" and so on.

I just want to point out that the correct terms are "retool" and "redeco". "Remold" and "repaint" are incorrect and misleading descriptions of the actual process, especially the word "repaint" because a redeco typically changes the plastic colors injected into the mold as well as the paint apps.

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That Bot wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:And I just wanted to introduce something like "repaint", "remold", "retool" and so on.

I just want to point out that the correct terms are "retool" and "redeco". "Remold" and "repaint" are incorrect and misleading descriptions of the actual process, especially the word "repaint" because a redeco typically changes the plastic colors injected into the mold as well as the paint apps.

#TheMoreYouKnow

I know how it's described on TFwiki but to me there's a difference. A retool also changes the engineering of the toy and a remold just the visual appearance. But as I said just TO ME.

if you must rant about that, there's a thread that you can do so.....here....
retool-reshell-repaint-wars-has-cw-gone-too-far--p1770240.php#p1770240

Lunatic Prime wrote:

That Bot wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:And I just wanted to introduce something like "repaint", "remold", "retool" and so on.

I just want to point out that the correct terms are "retool" and "redeco". "Remold" and "repaint" are incorrect and misleading descriptions of the actual process, especially the word "repaint" because a redeco typically changes the plastic colors injected into the mold as well as the paint apps.

#TheMoreYouKnow

I know how it's described on [url=TFwiki]http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Retool[/url] but to me there's a difference. A retool also changes the engineering of the toy and a remold just the visual appearance. But as I said just TO ME.

A retool is any change to the tooling of the steel plates of the mold (or new steel plates). The extensiveness doesn't factor in.

Stuartmaximus wrote:if you must rant about that, there's a thread that you can do so.....here....
retool-reshell-repaint-wars-has-cw-gone-too-far--p1770240.php#p1770240

I don't think that's what the disagreement is over, they are arguing about the terms themselves.

Just curious guys, but do you remember Cannon Bumblebee?


Transformers Cannon Bumblebee Gallery



As you will notice in the pic, they used the legs of the previous version and then made a new mold for the rest, not basing it off the previous mold (its a totally new transformation). While people called it a retool at the time, I would definitely see this more as simply sharing parts with another toy (or reusing them) since half of this toy doesnt even transform the same way.

I've been watching this discussion play out over a matter of days and I'm wondering now,

Why does it matter?

okay, we know that it shares engineering. And I know it's important to know where Hasbro might be squeezing an inch in on us somewhere, because it's our right as consumers to care if we're getting value for money. BUT. Why does it matter whether we call it a retool or a shared lineage? We know exactly what it *is* already, shared engineering design at the CAD stage, every part completely remoulded, addition and subtraction of important gimmicks took place. With that established as fact by John Warden, you should already know enough to think if they designers are being lazy or not, why does it matter what we dress it up as?

Is it a need to obsessively categorise things for the wiki? Are you making a pie-chart/bar-graph etc. of mold re-usage? Is it more that you're interested in the etymology of certain fandom slang words for mold reuse? I'm not being facetious, I'm genuinely interested why this is important to some people.

It's kind of just stifling other discussion in the thread right now.

MemphisR56 wrote:I've been watching this discussion play out over a matter of days and I'm wondering now,

Why does it matter?

okay, we know that it shares engineering. And I know it's important to know where Hasbro might be squeezing an inch in on us somewhere, because it's our right as consumers to care if we're getting value for money. BUT. Why does it matter whether we call it a retool or a shared lineage? We know exactly what it *is* already, shared engineering design at the CAD stage, every part completely remoulded, addition and subtraction of important gimmicks took place. With that established as fact by John Warden, you should already know enough to think if they designers are being lazy or not, why does it matter what we dress it up as?

Is it a need to obsessively categorise things for the wiki? Are you making a pie-chart/bar-graph etc. of mold re-usage? Is it more that you're interested in the etymology of certain fandom slang words for mold reuse? I'm not being facetious, I'm genuinely interested why this is important to some people.

It's kind of just stifling other discussion in the thread right now.

Just like you, I don't quite get it either. If its a good looking Transformer and fits the character well then fine to me. Of course I don't like repaint after repaint but this isn't that.

It's human nature to categorize things. Its why we have sports... and racism.

MelRains wrote:It's human nature to categorize things. Its why we have sports... and racism.

Ok so in other news... I found a really neat idea on the TFW board. You know how TR Rewind and Frenzy/Rumble turn from media devices to tanks? Well, that's a G1 homage to Gand Slam which I am 100% certain will be an upcoming exclusive using the mold.

william-james88 wrote:Ok so in other news... I found a really neat idea on the TFW board. You know how TR Rewind and Frenzy/Rumble turn from media devices to tanks? Well, that's a G1 homage to Gand Slam which I am 100% certain will be an upcoming exclusive using the mold.

Hopefully they could make Raindance out of the Buzzsaw mold if that did that.

Though, 'twould be a shame for them to no longer combine into Slamdance.

Sabrblade wrote:Hopefully they could make Raindance out of the Buzzsaw mold if that did that.

Though, 'twould be a shame for them to no longer combine into Slamdance.

You forget that we are the Transformers fandom one of us is going to find out how to shove them together...one way or another life finds a way.


We got a CW Sky Lynx Lynx mode we can do it someone is crazy enough.

Deadput wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Hopefully they could make Raindance out of the Buzzsaw mold if that did that.

Though, 'twould be a shame for them to no longer combine into Slamdance.

You forget that we are the Transformers fandom one of us is going to find out how to shove them together...one way or another life finds a way.


We got a CW Sky Lynx Lynx mode we can do it someone is crazy enough.

Just leaving these here for the sake of discussion... I'll be trying to fanmode buzzsaw into a pair of pants likely the second I get home from work.

Apologies for doublepost, but I just noticed and I'm not sure anyone brought it up yet.

The titan master figures seem to have fairly conspicuous 5mm pegs on them somewhere, almost as though they're intended to have some kind of weapon mode, It's interesting to note also, that some of them seem to be completely integrated into their altmodes in certain configurations, particularly Fangry, who's headmaster arms form the arms of his Dino mode:

Fangry/Wilder/Brisko/Crashbash
EDIT: Corrected by Sabrblade - Squeezeplay/Cancer/Lokos


Siren/Shuta/Quig/Loudmouth:


Nightbeat/Minerva/Muzzle


Though I can't spot one on Horri-bull/Kreb/Bullhorn/Terribull

MemphisR56 wrote:Fangry/Wilder/Brisko/Crashbash

Erm, Crashbash would be Squeezeplay/Cancer/Lokos.

Sabrblade wrote:

MemphisR56 wrote:Fangry/Wilder/Brisko/Crashbash

Erm, Crashbash would be Squeezeplay/Cancer/Lokos.

Right you are... Sorry!





Also, Nightbeat's chest seems to be based on his rather random character model from the comics:

TF Wiki wrote:Another Nightbeat visual oddity is the large difference between the design of his toy's chest and of the character model's chest. While the toy's chest is an asymmetrical shape with one "boob" and a "tummy grill" not unlike Optimus Prime's, the character model gives him a concave octagon which symmetrically houses two hollow boxes. Where did this design come from, and why is it the only thing on his character model, other than the swapped head, that departs from his toy design?

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Nightbeat_(G1)#Notes

MemphisR56 wrote:Apologies for doublepost, but I just noticed and I'm not sure anyone brought it up yet.

The titan master figures seem to have fairly conspicuous 5mm pegs on them somewhere, almost as though they're intended to have some kind of weapon mode, It's interesting to note also, that some of them seem to be completely integrated into their altmodes in certain configurations, particularly Fangry, who's headmaster arms form the arms of his Dino mode:

Fangry/Wilder/Brisko/Crashbash
EDIT: Corrected by Sabrblade - Squeezeplay/Cancer/Lokos

already stated that they have weapon modes, just didn't show them yet unfortunately.

MemphisR56 wrote:

And Crashbash's Titanmaster's legs also form the lower jaw of the dino/dragon. So he hangs upside down in the dino mode.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

MemphisR56 wrote:Apologies for doublepost, but I just noticed and I'm not sure anyone brought it up yet.

The titan master figures seem to have fairly conspicuous 5mm pegs on them somewhere, almost as though they're intended to have some kind of weapon mode, It's interesting to note also, that some of them seem to be completely integrated into their altmodes in certain configurations, particularly Fangry, who's headmaster arms form the arms of his Dino mode:

Fangry/Wilder/Brisko/Crashbash
EDIT: Corrected by Sabrblade - Squeezeplay/Cancer/Lokos

already stated that they have weapon modes, just didn't show them yet unfortunately.

MemphisR56 wrote:

And Crashbash's Titanmaster's legs also form the lower jaw of the dino/dragon. So he hangs upside down in the dino mode.

Oooh, I see it now! That's actually really cool.

I have a feeling I'm going to get a lot of enjoyment out of these little dudes. I just hope distribution doesn't fall utterly short.

MemphisR56 wrote:Oooh, I see it now! That's actually really cool.

I have a feeling I'm going to get a lot of enjoyment out of these little dudes. I just hope distribution doesn't fall utterly short.

Yeah, me too. I hope they show their weapon modes at Botcon finally and hopefully some more Titanmasters.
I'll also get some of the RID weapon Mini-Cons and mix them with the new Generations figures.
Just imagine TR Galvatron with black Lord Doomitron.

Meh, for crashbash at least, the gun barrels are in the dino legs, the cylinder parts, looks like... so it'll be a bird doing yoga for a gun mode

MemphisR56 wrote:
Just leaving these here for the sake of discussion... I'll be trying to fanmode buzzsaw into a pair of pants likely the second I get home from work.

For some reason I think the Stripes/Ravage mold would be better for Raindance since he has an actual jet mode









Because a blue Buzzsaw would just be Squaktalk.

If ever they make Raindance, it wouldnt be a 2 person team. I feel it would just be Grand Slam and his robot mode would be Raindance. The other member would be forgotten.