The Energon Pub

News Credits: 23 · by **aronjlove** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:44 pm

o.supreme wrote:They cut PotP short

I've always wondered why there were so few figures, with Orthia being split across three lines and King Starscream only having two Decepticon limbs as the rest where Abominus. Siege feels like a lifetime in comparison. Can't wait to see what else Earthrise brings, as there are quite a few unknowns according to that map.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:14 pm

@ o.supreme I think ZeroWolf was mainly talking about the pandemic throwing everything off the rails.

From what I understand, Elita and Starscream never really had full limb sets planned, ditto for Inferno. They were combiners out of mandatory gimmick uniformity (and Inferno was a leftover from Combiner Wars' development).

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:16 pm

Yeah it's unfortunate, CW and TR were 18 month lines, but the distribution woes of TR forced Hasbro to change strategies, and cut the lines to 12 months, which is having its own challenges as we see. It's pretty obvious when you see toys that clearly would have been in later waves of PotP get scattered across Siege, Selects, and online retailer exclusives.

@Zelda...I'm pretty sure with an additional wave the Starscream combiner could have been completed. Inferno was wholly unnecessary, just a cheap way to sell another toy unfortunately. But given now how voyagers and leaders have fewer figures per line, it further supports the idea that there was no need for Inferno, especially if, as most people believe, we'll get a nice redeco from Earthrise Grapple either late in ER or in the 3rd part of the WFC Trilogy.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:28 pm

Well, when I called PotP Inferno a CW leftover I was being literal. From what I've gathered, it had long been known or hinted at that his head was the alternate head for the Hot Spot version of the Hot Spot/Onslaught mold.

Frankly I would rather we had gotten the leftover from the Onslaught side of things instead: Demolishor.

by **Skritz** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:08 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Frankly I would rather we had gotten the leftover from the Onslaught side of things instead: Demolishor.

Same.

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:13 pm

Agreed as well, so long as there would have been additional deluxe limbs to complete it

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:26 pm

o.supreme wrote:Agreed as well, so long as there would have been additional deluxe limbs to complete it

Eh. IMO "Can combine" =/= "Needs a dedicated limb set". If anything, he could be Onslaught's understudy.

And the thing is, Demolishor would have been a good standalone G1 version of Demolishor for us, limbs or no limbs. Whereas PotP Inferno was already iffy as an Inferno representation thanks to the 2008 Universe toy that preceded him by ten years, and is going to receive a further pummeling on that front from the inevitable Earthrise Inferno.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:51 am

I agree, just because they can combine, doesn't mean they need their own dedicated limbs. Look at Galvatronus, his bio indicates that he literally brainwashes other limbs into fusing with him. King Starscream, given his IDW development, could have easily fused with both bot and con limbs. Afterall it's mainly the adult fans who care about strict teams (kids brought up via parents with G1 non-withstanding) hasbro wanted kids to make their own Combiners out of whoever they could get, to just have fun with. Throwing further torsos into the mix to help customsise their personal combiner adds to this.
In any case, if Selects had existed as a line back in CW, inferno would have debuted then I reckon, but alas, Power of the Primes full potential as a line exists only as designers notes in what ever system they use to record development.

Also, yes I meant the pandemic interrupting the flow of events (though Siege extra wave also altered things, just think were we'd be now if Siege didn't have that extra wave, as Earthrise would have been seen on shelves before Xmas.)

by **ausbot** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:42 am

We have had straxus, scrounge, and impactor, I hope we eventually see an xaaron one day.

News Credits: 8 · by **Flashwave** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:26 am

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
o.supreme wrote:Agreed as well, so long as there would have been additional deluxe limbs to complete it
Eh. IMO "Can combine" =/= "Needs a dedicated limb set". If anything, he could be Onslaught's understudy.

And the thing is, Demolishor would have been a good standalone G1 version of Demolishor for us, limbs or no limbs. Whereas PotP Inferno was already iffy as an Inferno representation thanks to the 2008 Universe toy that preceded him by ten years, and is going to receive a further pummeling on that front from the inevitable Earthrise Inferno.

I too think we needed Demolishor over Inferno, but honestly I think I prefer the POTP Inferno over the Uni one, the longer, sleeker alt mode sells it more for me than the toaster shaped pierce firetruck. In a vaccum, and it has the ladder.

Your suggestion is exactly what I would have done with Demolishor. Its what I did with Toxitron, with a mix of G2 Stunticons, Offroad, and Club Counterpunch, and what I did with Inferno, who is running around with 4 left over limbs approximating Rescue Force. (CW Strafe as skyfeather, CW Nosecone as Heatrock, CW Rook as the blue guy with the grabby claws, and Mirage as the Jarguar redeco, with Alpha Bravo masquerading as Flyup filling Rook's spot on Defensor)

News Credits: 4859 · by **william-james88** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:32 am

Flashwave wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
o.supreme wrote:Agreed as well, so long as there would have been additional deluxe limbs to complete it
Eh. IMO "Can combine" =/= "Needs a dedicated limb set". If anything, he could be Onslaught's understudy.

And the thing is, Demolishor would have been a good standalone G1 version of Demolishor for us, limbs or no limbs. Whereas PotP Inferno was already iffy as an Inferno representation thanks to the 2008 Universe toy that preceded him by ten years, and is going to receive a further pummeling on that front from the inevitable Earthrise Inferno.

I too think we needed Demolishor over Inferno, but honestly I think I prefer the POTP Inferno over the Uni one, the longer, sleeker alt mode sells it more for me than the toaster shaped pierce firetruck. In a vaccum, and it has the ladder.

All these non combners turned combiner are just placeholders anyway until we get a more definitive update of the characters so I don't think it really matterred who was released.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:47 pm

ausbot wrote:We have had straxus, scrounge, and impactor, I hope we eventually see an xaaron one day.

Scrounge and Impactor were done well (even if the comic snob in me would like to see Scrounge as an actual rolling wheel) but Straxus needs a new figure, at least a voyager size, but preferably a leader, even if it's a limited exclusive.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:59 pm

Sorry but no, Leader is too big for Straxus. And the only reason to even consider making him a Voyager would be to guarantee he could be properly chubby while also having his weapon.
Straxus. Was. A. Shortarse. Making a Leader-class Straxus would be like making a Leader-class Gears.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:05 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Sorry but no, Leader is too big for Straxus. And the only reason to even make him a Voyager is to guarantee he could be properly chubby while also having his weapon.
Straxus. Was. A. Shortarse.

Disagree. He was a large-bodied Con who was taller than the coneheads and Blaster. So if they get voyager figures, Straxus needs to be a leader. But I'll settle for a voyager, considering he's a comic-only character and leader spots are scarce.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:21 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Sorry but no, Leader is too big for Straxus. And the only reason to even make him a Voyager is to guarantee he could be properly chubby while also having his weapon.
Straxus. Was. A. Shortarse.
Disagree. He was a large-bodied Con who was taller than the coneheads and Blaster.

Oh really?

Seems to me he's only somewhat bigger than the Insecticons and evidently shorter than Dirge. He seems to be above Thrust and Ramjet, but only because of a combination of A. him standing on a raised platform and B. Perspective.

He's a big bigger relative to Shrapnel here, but sure as hell not Leader-class bigger.

He's drawn as towering on the cover of Issue 18, but that's a cover.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:35 pm

Not just the cover.

News Credits: 19 · by **blackeyedprime** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:17 pm

Now I want straxus leader class with a Spanish voice chip :p

News Credits: 42 · by **TF-fan kev777** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:23 pm

blackeyedprime wrote:Now I want straxus leader class with a Spanish voice chip :p

And I just learned that aggh is "aggh" in Spanish. Good to know.

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:21 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
o.supreme wrote:Agreed as well, so long as there would have been additional deluxe limbs to complete it
Eh. IMO "Can combine" =/= "Needs a dedicated limb set". I

I know I'm in the minority,but I feel the opposite because in the original series every combiner team was just that, a team. Sure the idea of a powerful bot forcing others to combine is novel, butill take What TT did with UW Grand Galvatron any day over CW Cyclonus. Also the IDW version of the enigma of combination was pretty lame if you ask me. Dedicated teams all the way!

Back on topic, I'm just in the past 2 weeks finally starting to see ER toys at Walmart... better late than never

News Credits: 10 · by **sol magnus** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:48 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Sorry but no, Leader is too big for Straxus. And the only reason to even consider making him a Voyager would be to guarantee he could be properly chubby while also having his weapon.
Straxus. Was. A. Shortarse. Making a Leader-class Straxus would be like making a Leader-class Gears.

This makes me wonder if you ever read the comics he was in. He was on the wide side, sure, but he was taller than Blaster who was taller than all of the other Autobots in his team. He towered over Goldbug.

I'd say Straxus is a Voyager-Class easily. It's not even close.

EDIT: Or somebody could provide scans of the Spanish version of Transformers #18.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:44 pm

Disappointing to see that the bulk of this last page has been off-topic. Let's get it back to Earthrise please.

by **Skritz** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:10 pm

Well, when can we expect more reveals? >:oP

News Credits: 12 · by **Sentinel_Primal** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:20 pm

Skritz wrote:Well, when can we expect more reveals?

I'd expect somewhere between late spring, and mid summer, assuming that HasTak sends pictures to IGN as per usual around SDCC time. But because it's cancelled, I partially expect to see reveals in the form of tweets that show off the features like a typical SDCC display.

Though, there is the possibility that we might not get any new reveals until after everything's over, depending on if HasTak extends Earthrise to continue next year to make up for the lack of sales

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:22 pm

Skritz wrote:Well, when can we expect more reveals?

Probably not until Late Summer/Early Fall. The unrevealed wave isn't due out until the holidays this year.

If anything, I expect the majority of reveals over the next 4 months will be Selects or exclusives

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:18 am

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Skritz wrote:Well, when can we expect more reveals?

Probably not until Late Summer/Early Fall. The unrevealed wave isn't due out until the holidays this year.

If anything, I expect the majority of reveals over the next 4 months will be Selects or exclusives

Yeah, plus, hasbro has that new fans first friday thing via pulse, they could do reveals via that for now ;)^