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[Flashwave]

Honestly, having him in hand, while I wish the trailer was bigger from a play value, certainly a bit longer, asthetically I am glad it isnt bigger, or it would way overhang Optimus. I don't think there was room in the budget for both roller and the command station turret, and frankly of the two I am glad they chose the command station. There are and will be plenty of third-party rollers that can be added fairly easily, more so than adding to command station turret back in and having to play ability of it being removable is great. Also, I really like that there's a five millimeter peg in the middle of the deck, it is possible to Peg someone like The Siege Datsuns to the deck, with their head under the command station drone, and if you fold the sides down all the way past their stop point you can make it look like a medical repair bed for ratchet

[Sentinel_Primal]

I think a fun idea would be to do IDW Roller at maybe Voyager size, but include the classic Roller as an accessory for Optimus

[william-james88]

Fellow Seibertronian o.supreme has shared with us a map Hasbro posted on the official Facebook page.

It shows what you can map out if you purchase the entire line. The most important part though is that it shows Earthrise is getting 4 waves. While there have been many rumours, most have been for exclusives, since they were not part of assortment listings. So let us know what you think we'll be getting in different classes.

Below is the map and what they had to say:

The #Transformers universe is vast! Discover it all with the in-pack map puzzle pieces. One piece is included with select #Earthrise figures. Compare your collection to this Wave 1 map key and tell us how far along you are!

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Honestly, having him in hand, while I wish the trailer was bigger from a play value, certainly a bit longer, asthetically I am glad it isnt bigger, or it would way overhang Optimus.

True (although it wouldn't overhang any worse than the 1984 toy or CW Magnus/TR Optimus), because not only are both main versions of WFC Optimus a bit lacking in robot mode height.. their truck cab modes are basically the same size as the O-scale (1:48) G1 toy, while the other SIEGE/ER Autobots are in the 1:32 ballpark (give or take the Minibot effect).

That size issue would be a big reason why I'm still using CW Optimus as my basic CHUG G1 Optimus. He's a bit chunky, and has faux-parts chest windows and "Unintentional butterfly joints" syndrome, but he's still fun and I like his size better. ER Optimus' having that Matrix and having the trailer at all are enough to make me want to get him at some point (unlike SIEGE, which I did not bother trying to track down), but he's still low-priority.

[Skritz]

I'm fairly certain whatever is left in Earthrise re-issues and maybe the odd redeco of a Voyager or Leader. I don't really expect any new molds in the larger size class and we know most Deluxes up to Wave 3. So, my theories:
-At least one new late wave Deluxe which will leave us baffled like Siege Spinister
-A Smokescreen Redeco (Deluxe)
-Inferno retool of Grapple (Voyager)
-Optimus Prime Re-release or Redeco (Leader)
These are those I'm the most certain of. A third Astrotrain release make no sense and Doubledealer has no obvious main line retool, meaning Optimus will be back on those shelves in some form, especially due to Hasbro pushing it as THE G1 Optimus figure.

[Sentinel_Primal]

I'm fairly certain whatever is left in Earthrise re-issues and maybe the odd redeco of a Voyager or Leader. I don't really expect any new molds in the larger size class and we know most Deluxes up to Wave 3. So, my theories:
-At least one new late wave Deluxe which will leave us baffled like Siege Spinister
-A Smokescreen Redeco (Deluxe)
-Inferno retool of Grapple (Voyager)
-Optimus Prime Re-release or Redeco (Leader)
These are those I'm the most certain of. A third Astrotrain release make no sense and Doubledealer has no obvious main line retool, meaning Optimus will be back on those shelves in some form, especially due to Hasbro pushing it as THE G1 Optimus figure.

Didn't we also have a Thrust rumor?

[Skritz]

I'm fairly certain whatever is left in Earthrise re-issues and maybe the odd redeco of a Voyager or Leader. I don't really expect any new molds in the larger size class and we know most Deluxes up to Wave 3. So, my theories:
-At least one new late wave Deluxe which will leave us baffled like Siege Spinister
-A Smokescreen Redeco (Deluxe)
-Inferno retool of Grapple (Voyager)
-Optimus Prime Re-release or Redeco (Leader)
These are those I'm the most certain of. A third Astrotrain release make no sense and Doubledealer has no obvious main line retool, meaning Optimus will be back on those shelves in some form, especially due to Hasbro pushing it as THE G1 Optimus figure.

Didn't we also have a Thrust rumor?

I didn't put any Seeker because its always hard to judge who will be main line and who gets to be some annoying exclusive. Those are just my predictions I'm, lets say, 90% certain.

[william-james88]

I'm fairly certain whatever is left in Earthrise re-issues and maybe the odd redeco of a Voyager or Leader. I don't really expect any new molds in the larger size class and we know most Deluxes up to Wave 3. So, my theories:
-At least one new late wave Deluxe which will leave us baffled like Siege Spinister
-A Smokescreen Redeco (Deluxe)
-Inferno retool of Grapple (Voyager)
-Optimus Prime Re-release or Redeco (Leader)
These are those I'm the most certain of. A third Astrotrain release make no sense and Doubledealer has no obvious main line retool, meaning Optimus will be back on those shelves in some form, especially due to Hasbro pushing it as THE G1 Optimus figure.

Didn't we also have a Thrust rumor?

Yes, as an individual listed release, not under an assortment. So we have no clue who will be released in the actual 4th wave.
I'm guessing Bumblebee

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I'm hoping against hope that the last Leader will be a new mold and will turn out to be "submarine" Megatron.

[Emerje]

I find the phrasing, "included with select #Earthrise figures." interesting. Could just mean they won't be included with exclusives, but I'm still not ruling out a wave 5. Delays are going to happen and I'm not at all optimistic about wave 3 coming out this year, may as well stretch things out instead of starting the new line in the summer.

Either way, it would be nice if Hasbro made that poster available for us to glue our map pieces to. Either stick them in stores for free or give them away on Pulse with orders, but I really want that.

Emerje

[Nemesis Primal]

I want to say the Thrust listing is basically guaranteed to be retail, since it was the only one of those specific listings that we don't have Selects confirmation for and we know that that listing system had already revealed individual retail figures that had their own listings (Arcee, Quintesson, etc.), so he's probably retail, but who knows. He shouldn't be Selects, at the very least, Conehead retooling would have to be a main line thing or a regular exclusive thing.

I kinda missed the bulk of the Optimus Prime speculation, but there is that Alternate Universe Optimus Prime listing floating around to keep in mind, which is either an Amazon exclusive or just a retail probably-Leader-class figure. I also seem to recall that a credible leaker on TFW that predicted the theme of the line, Starscream, Doubledealer, Sky Lynx, etc. before the NYCC reveal also said that somewhere in Earthrise we're getting "an RiD figure update with a base mode", so that could possibly be related to that topic of a second Optimus.

Either way, it would be nice if Hasbro made that poster available for us to glue our map pieces to. Either stick them in stores for free or give them away on Pulse with orders, but I really want that.

Maybe the poster comes with Scorponok? We know Sky Lynx has a map piece, it was shown at Australia Toy Fair (I believe it was that event), but I don't think we know anything about if Scorpy has one, and if any figure were to come with a poster for the map, I would think the line's Titan would be it.

[ZeroWolf]

I've said it before but Hasbro's plans for one generations line a year really went out the window didn't they

Also I reckon they'd easy put doubledealer out again as either machine wars Soundwave and/or Stalker (probably MW Soundwave will be a Selects release) and we still have that Alternative Prime listing (can't remember if it had a size class with it, as it could be a Siege redeco...or ER Prime redeco/retool and everything in between)

[william-james88]

I want to say the Thrust listing is basically guaranteed to be retail

We already know he is, he was found on the TRU system in canada.
But he will be a retail exclusive.
Which means he'll probably be a target exclusive in the US.
Anyone want another red card exclusive?

[Nemesis Primal]

Anyone want another red card exclusive?

God no, I'm still not done complaining about/tracking down a retail price listing for the original one (although eBay scares me right now anyway due to current events anyway).

...although then again, the only Conehead I'm REALLY excited for is Ramjet, so I suppose I would only complain on principle with Thrust.

...and we still have that Alternative Prime listing (can't remember if it had a size class with it, as it could be a Siege redeco...or ER Prime redeco/retool and everything in between)

AU OP is/was Leader Class priced on Amazon, meaning that it's either a repaint/retool of ER Prime, a multipack of a Siege Prime repaint/retool with Battlemasters or something, or maybe it's own unique Leader mold, depending on exactly which Prime it is?

[CircuitBreaker]

I hope by the time the line is over we have good scans of all the map parts. I have every one but astrotrain and the Micromaster/Battlemaster map parts, already had astrotrain and didn’t know the little guys had them

[Rodimus Knight]

I would think one of the waves would have a Nemesis Prime as a redec of G1 Optimus. It's been a while since we've gotten a wide release Nemi, and a G1 version would be well recieved I'd think.

[Sentinel_Primal]

I'm partially hoping that the AU Prime is Shattered Glass Prime to go with Rodimus Unicronus from POTP. Or if they maybe did a different trailer similar to Galaxy Upgrade, they might do Nova Prime? Cause technically Shattered Glass Prime did turn into Nova, but I'm not gonna hold my breath for Nova.

If it's not either of them though, I'm really hoping it's Toxitron, mostly because eBay's prices for either Animated or CW Toxitron are ridiculous Though, I'd be more expecting him to come from a potential G2 update next part, assuming they can't think of another G1 Prime design to make

[TF-fan kev777]

So the map reveals something else interesting. Based on the shape of the battle master and micro master map pieces, and the map overall, the total number of battle and micro masters in Earthrise has to be divisible by 3. We currently know of 9, so that means there will be either 3 or 6 more revealed to finish out waves 3 and 4.

[sol magnus]

Hopefully, people will update this online, as I won't be getting every single release.

[Skritz]

I'm partially hoping that the AU Prime is Shattered Glass Prime to go with Rodimus Unicronus from POTP. Or if they maybe did a different trailer similar to Galaxy Upgrade, they might do Nova Prime? Cause technically Shattered Glass Prime did turn into Nova, but I'm not gonna hold my breath for Nova.

If it's not either of them though, I'm really hoping it's Toxitron, mostly because eBay's prices for either Animated or CW Toxitron are ridiculous Though, I'd be more expecting him to come from a potential G2 update next part, assuming they can't think of another G1 Prime design to make

G2 Optimus Prime (that isn't Laser Rod) is kind of a redundant design. I'm hoping for Shattered Glass (its an obvious redeco) or, even if I doubt it, its an AU Optimus Prime like RiD 2001 or Armada. Unlikely, mind you.

[Sentinel_Primal]

I'm partially hoping that the AU Prime is Shattered Glass Prime to go with Rodimus Unicronus from POTP. Or if they maybe did a different trailer similar to Galaxy Upgrade, they might do Nova Prime? Cause technically Shattered Glass Prime did turn into Nova, but I'm not gonna hold my breath for Nova.

If it's not either of them though, I'm really hoping it's Toxitron, mostly because eBay's prices for either Animated or CW Toxitron are ridiculous Though, I'd be more expecting him to come from a potential G2 update next part, assuming they can't think of another G1 Prime design to make

G2 Optimus Prime (that isn't Laser Rod) is kind of a redundant design. I'm hoping for Shattered Glass (its an obvious redeco) or, even if I doubt it, its an AU Optimus Prime like RiD 2001 or Armada. Unlikely, mind you.

I was meaning Laser Rod. I always forget that the original got rereleased with a modified trailer But I was mainly hoping for that so we could finally get Toxitron's original design



It'd be a pretty fun figure I think, plus the trailer could be compatible with the new base system. But, we just got Laser Rod in Titans Return, so it's probably just as unlikely as a new RiD 2001 or Armada Prime

[DeathReviews]

Unless that map leads to a 50% discount code on Pulse, I ain't interested!

[Sentinel_Primal]

Apparently Doubledealer's molded in engine component, isn't actually molded on. It's on 5mm peg, allowing for one to plug the engine onto the back of SELECTS Knok

[Skritz]

A 1:1 redo of Laser Rod is the only G2 Optimus Prime I'd want and this is because of nostalgia for a KO of it I had as a kid, which made it my first Optimus Prime (not Primal).

[o.supreme]

I've said it before but Hasbro's plans for one generations line a year really went out the window didn't they :lol

I've felt the same way. The idea was to keep changing the packaging so retail stores would keep ordering. Didn't really work out that way though.

They cut PotP short, extended Siege, and now are running Siege repaints into the ground with Netflix releases. I mean to release the same seeker mold 8 or so times as different characters is novel, but to release the same Megatron 5 or 6 times STILL as Megatron just in different colors gets stale. I know it's all a mind game, but it seems to be getting worse, but the toys are getting better, but some QC issues are getting worse, so it's really a mixed bag right now. I'm hoping Earthrise wave 4 has some new surprises , even if they end up being scarce rereleasing in the first wave of the last part of the trilogy as was the case with Earthrise