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No, it was because it was a darn good movie with actual heart, charm, logic, intelligence, and sensible storytelling. The movie would have been just as good as it was, no better or worse, even without the G1 designs it had. Those were the icing, not the cake.Rodimus Prime wrote:And when the Bee movie was released, after seeing it the majority of the fandom (including a lot of people from these boards, myself excluded) damn near creamed their undies because of it. Why? Because FINALLY there were G1 designs in the movie!Skritz wrote:even the live action movies have now thrown their hands in the air and gone '**** it, live action GEEWUN!'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Season 2 of the Netflix show will be for Earthrise. Each season is only six episodes long (or at least the first season will be), so we shouldn't have to wait too long for Season 2.Deadput wrote:I do wish we actually got media that corresponded with the toys that are actually out on the shelves, the Earthrise toys are cool but the "story" behind the line is kinda meaningless when it's just "character bios" and such, the WFC Netflix stuff is late so even if Earthrise gets a show of it's own it's gonna be late.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
The quality of the story is a matter of opinion, but my point that G1 designs being included was viewed as a positive still stands. It was the icing, as you yourself put it.Sabrblade wrote:No, it was because it was a darn good movie with actual heart, charm, logic, intelligence, and sensible storytelling. The movie would have been just as good as it was, no better or worse, even without the G1 designs it had. Those were the icing, not the cake.Rodimus Prime wrote:And when the Bee movie was released, after seeing it the majority of the fandom (including a lot of people from these boards, myself excluded) damn near creamed their undies because of it. Why? Because FINALLY there were G1 designs in the movie!Skritz wrote:even the live action movies have now thrown their hands in the air and gone '**** it, live action GEEWUN!'
A sense of consistency and stable brand recognition similar to the likes of Batman, Superman and Marvel.
Exactly that. Because it's not 1984. I'm writing for myself only here, but seeing the figures of characters from 1984 "when I was a kid" is a great joy to me, especially with the wonderful updates. Does that mean I don't like the toys that didn't come from then? No it does not. I like Armada and Cybertron quite a bit (Energon not so much) and I've been supportive of every single line that's been released by making purchases from that line, except for RiD2015, and Cyberverse. But that doesn't mean I want to abandon representations of characters and updates of toys that got me interested in the brand in the first place. I love to see new ideas and designs come out under the Transformers name, because each new thing makes the brand richer, even if it's something that doesn't work well, isn't received well, or doesn't age well. Simply because it still adds a new facet to the franchise, so it's not the same old stuff all the time. But seeing old characters with the same colors with new engineering (i.e. Masterpiece, Prime Wars, and now WFC) isn't the same as the toys from 1984-1987. Case in point is the Wal-Mart exclusive G1 releases of late. They flopped, because 1.) a lot of us already have those figures at least in 1 form (maybe original, maybe commemorative reissue, maybe some other way) and 2.) compared to today's designs, they're much simpler and thus not worth the asking price. Hasbro bet on people being blinded by nostalgia and lost. Which brings me back to my point: today's engineering is much more advanced than Diaclone, on which the original G1 figures are based, and thus even though the toy itself sports the same name and even color scheme, it's not the same toy. Therefore it is in a way still new and relevant.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:To those that want things to look now, as they did "when they were a kid", three or four decades ago. What is the point of that in 2020?
Hasbro bet on people being blinded by nostalgia and lost.
Just because the Concorde doesn't fly anymore, why can't there be a toy based on it?
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote: if older things are getting rehashed now then it's just a testament to how much of an impact they had,
Deadput wrote:Also while the Bayformers films "helped" it's not like the franchise wasn't doing fine, it was in no decline.
So you're saying Hasbro's Transformers profits come mainly from collectors who buy out of nostalgia?AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Not everyone thinks Transformers has nothing to offer beyond catering to 80's nostalgia. They are not revisiting that era to sell to the kids/fans of Today, but yesterday. Those are the collectors of today, those are the people, like Warden, in charge of HasTak at the moment.
But it's not the exact same toy. It's a newer version of the old toy.Like a spoilt child that has a toy box full of figures, but picks out and hands you the exact same one to play with every time.
I'm not disputing that. I said I would like to see newer versions of figures from those lines, but if revisiting the 80s figures wasn't financially viable, Hasbro wouldn't be doing it, no matter how much of a Geewunner John Warden is.There is a significant chunk of the 36 year history of Transformers that had very little to do with G1. That chunk in fact revitalised the brand. From Beast Wars to Bayformers. The part that brought the series back and actually made it financially viable again. Because it did something New.
But as long as it's an appealing toy that sells, it is relevant. Most toys/vehicles in the Star Wars lines have no basis in reality at all, and they sell. The Concorde is at least something real.Just because the Concorde doesn't fly anymore, why can't there be a toy based on it?
That all important word: relevance. Without it, the toy is just a throwback.
Rodimus Prime wrote:So you're saying Hasbro's Transformers profits come mainly from collectors who buy out of nostalgia?
Like a spoilt child that has a toy box full of figures, but picks out and hands you the exact same one to play with every time.
Rodimus Prime wrote:But it's not the exact same toy. It's a newer version of the old toy.
There is a significant chunk of the 36 year history of Transformers that had very little to do with G1. That chunk in fact revitalised the brand. From Beast Wars to Bayformers. The part that brought the series back and actually made it financially viable again. Because it did something New.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm not disputing that. I said I would like to see newer versions of figures from those lines, but if revisiting the 80s figures wasn't financially viable, Hasbro wouldn't be doing it, no matter how much of a Geewunner John Warden is.
That all important word: relevance. Without it, the toy is just a throwback.
Rodimus Prime wrote:But as long as it's an appealing toy that sells, it is relevant. Most toys/vehicles in the Star Wars lines have no basis in reality at all, and they sell. The Concorde is at least something real.
Deadput wrote:Generations is great and all but I have a feeling that some fans will only be satisfied if they have the entire cartoon cast in "mini-masterpiece" form, figures like Earthrise Prime or Hoist which are very much just the G1 figures but with articulation as opposed to something like Power of the Primes Jazz, Titans Return Bumblebee or Siege Ratchet/Ironhide which do look like the characters in a lot of aspects but are still effected by modernization and not having their "proper" vehicle modes as some would see it.
Like I've read/seen people pass up on the Siege Ironhide/Ratchet mold because it doesn't turn into an Earth minivan.
Everything becomes dated with time, everything.
That doesn't mean that merchandise can't still be made based off dated products even if niche, if older things are getting rehashed now then it's just a testament to how much of an impact they had, in a way that makes them "timeless".
Also while the Bayformers films "helped" it's not like the franchise wasn't doing fine, it was in no decline and even as a big fan of the movies I feel that in the end they did more harm then good.
Some people like Batman toys, especially if it's a different Batman toy every time. But I understand what you're saying.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Let me rephrase that, to correctly emphasise the point. Like a spoilt child that has a toy box full of figures, but picks out and hands you A Batman to play with every time.
That's my point exactly. Hasbro has been sticking with G1-inspired toys because they make money. It would be great if they could do both G1- and non-G1-inspired figures (and I don't see why they can't), but if it came down to choosing between 1 or the other (which is apparently the mindset they're in) they will go with the proven product every time.If the next line, has no G1 basis to it at all and makes more money, HasTak will stick with that and not even think twice. ALA Beast Era, UT etc
The Concorde is hardly a Model T. It looks closer to a spaceship than an ancient automobile, especially when it's Silverbolt's alt mode. As I said before, it's all about appeal. If a kid likes what s/he sees and wants mommy and daddy to buy it, then it's relevant. Even if it's a Model T.As I said before, Sci-Fi doesn't date in the same way. The human race is not in space, in any meaningful way. So until we are, spaceships can look like anything without causing disparity.
Whereas if Kup took the altmode of the Ford Model-T, it would. Concorde was something real, just like the Model-T or the VCR.
Rodimus Prime wrote: It would be great if they could do both G1- and non-G1-inspired figures (and I don't see why they can't)
Then why don't the suits at Hasbro just override him? It's not like he has final say on what they put on the shelves. Yes, he's their chief designer, but they should be able to see that he only puts out product that's partially responsible for their profits. If he can't or won't produce what would take full advantage of their money-making opportunities (in this case both G1-inspired and non-G1-inspired designs) then he shouldn't be allowed to be in charge. But that's not Warden's fault, it's Hasbro's. He can't be blamed for making the most of his opportunity under his own terms.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:because that spoilt kid just wants you to play with a Batman toy and nothing else. You will like this Batman, because you have no choice otherwise. The proven track record of success with non-G1 lines - BW and UT - exists. So to do so again is no gamble at all. Those currently in charge are the physical obstacle to that, as there is no financial risk.
That's a personal view on living life, there's nothing wrong with that. Just understand that some people have a different outlook. I was a kid in the 80s, a teenager in the 90s, and I have a lot of fond memories from then as well as experiences that shaped who I am as a person today. Transformers, especially G1, is 1 of those experiences. So to me it matters. I do look forward to what tomorrow brings and I am excited about the prospects, but not at the cost of my fondness of parts of the past.Most of my formative childhood took place in the 90's, but I have no overly sentimental attachment to it. That was 30 years ago, it no longer matters. Because I've always thought Tomorrow is always more interesting than Yesterday. That's where my love of robots and Sci-Fi came from.
Jeddostotle7 wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:I'm kinda hoping for a selects or netflix earthrise prime with out the (lackluster) trailer and a better paint job/chest windows. If earth rise megatrons anything to go by, third part optimus might just be earth rise prime with sieges legs to hide the wheels in bot mode.
G2 hero sure shot/optimus and the car robots style optimus that was in armadas opening episode would be nice though probably impossible on that one.
They can't do Earthrise Optimus without the trailer, because it's part of the same mold as the figure itself. They can't block off the trailer part of the mold.
The Prime figure itself would be left alone and only the trailer would be painted black. That's how it was with the original G2 figure, right? He just got a sound effects box attached to the trailer and new weapons.blackeyedprime wrote:Which parts of optimus would be black if they did a g2 black trailer version?
Wouldn't it make more sense for the Earthrise trailer to be molded in black? That'd be a ton of black paint for just a big box. After all, they didn't paint the whole thing gray for its normal Earthrise release. They molded it in gray, and then painted blue the gray parts on Optimus that were gangmolded to the trailer.Rodimus Prime wrote:The Prime figure itself would be left alone and only the trailer would be painted black. That's how it was with the original G2 figure, right? He just got a sound effects box attached to the trailer and new weapons.blackeyedprime wrote:Which parts of optimus would be black if they did a g2 black trailer version?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:No, it was because it was a darn good movie with actual heart, charm, logic, intelligence, and sensible storytelling. The movie would have been just as good as it was, no better or worse, even without the G1 designs it had. Those were the icing, not the cake.Rodimus Prime wrote:And when the Bee movie was released, after seeing it the majority of the fandom (including a lot of people from these boards, myself excluded) damn near creamed their undies because of it. Why? Because FINALLY there were G1 designs in the movie!Skritz wrote:even the live action movies have now thrown their hands in the air and gone '**** it, live action GEEWUN!'
Yeah, if that's how the original trailer was. The point I was trying to make was that the trailer is separate from the cab, so the cab can be left alone while the trailer is altered, regardless of the alteration.Sabrblade wrote:Wouldn't it make more sense for the Earthrise trailer to be molded in black? That'd be a ton of black paint for just a big box. After all, they didn't paint the whole thing gray for its normal Earthrise release. They molded it in gray, and then painted blue the gray parts on Optimus that were gangmolded to the trailer.Rodimus Prime wrote:The Prime figure itself would be left alone and only the trailer would be painted black. That's how it was with the original G2 figure, right? He just got a sound effects box attached to the trailer and new weapons.blackeyedprime wrote:Which parts of optimus would be black if they did a g2 black trailer version?
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
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