The Energon Pub

[Emerje]

...oh, I want that S to be Spinister so badly, but I know it isn't because of the poll, augh...

Also, reminder that part of the focus in this line is only giving gimmicks to figures that originally had them/the gimmick makes sense for, so an Evolution/Armored Shockwave isn't likely to come just because he's Leader-class. Magnus has armor because Magnus is supposed to have armor, not because of a size-class-wide gimmick like POTP.

And what was Shockwave's gimmick? Oh yeah, he was a big laser gun with lights and sounds, three things that the new figure definitely won't incorporate. He has to be something entirely new by default so he may as well have armor.

Emerje

[Wireless_Phantom]

I swear if this is Starscream he had better be a really tall deluxe

[D-Maximal_Primal]

He has to be something entirely new by default so he may as well have armor.

Onyx Prime armor maybe

[Nemesis Primal]

He has to be something entirely new by default so he may as well have armor.

Onyx Prime armor maybe

Ooh, this, 100%, I'd buy that.

Either that, or *gasp* maybe he has no gimmick. So far the characters with gimmicks are in the minority in this line compared to the other figures outside of the weapons, who's to say Shockwave has to do something special?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

He has to be something entirely new by default so he may as well have armor.

Onyx Prime armor maybe

Ooh, this, 100%, I'd buy that.

Either that, or *gasp* maybe he has no gimmick. So far the characters with gimmicks are in the minority in this line compared to the other figures outside of the weapons, who's to say Shockwave has to do something special?

Eh, he most likely won't have a gimmick, but it's fun to imagine!

But really, if in the 0.0001% chance this Onyx Armor would happen, I would fall out of my chair and pass out for 3 days and then proceed to buy it at scalper price.

[Burn]

I mainly just know of and like Stalker

You're my new favourite person.

[Amelie]

*strokes invisible beard*

You've reminded me I have two Stalkers. One from my childhood in a beat up box and another in nice condition on display...

Its just a pity my cabinet is out of view because of storage boxes atm :'(

[Sabrblade]

MP shockwave and original shockwave both fill that need. The deluxe and voyager shockwaves have been awful, so I would like a good one in either size class.

But both are way to expensive and rare by now

The MP is on sale at BBTS for $120 and the G1 has reissues on eBay for under $70.

There's never been an official reissue release of G1 Shockwave.

[Ultra Markus]

they better do him right this time sure i would like to see him as a giant space laser gun think about it he never had an earth mode to begin with he was always on cybertron this new chapter is where its at the time before they left for earth it would be very fitting to keep him as that
sure they could add some details or go slighty different but still keep him looking like that classic shockwave we all grew up with

[starrhero]

So when it comes to this second "s" deluxe character, there's only one other character besides screamer that I could imagine taking that place. Slipstream.

The main reasoning is that she's been featured in both the Cyberverse toyline & the brand new trading card game. I'm not really sure why has been trying to get her back into the limelight, as she hasn't had a real presence since Transformers Animated, but whatever. And in the end, who knows?

Still hope it really isn't screamer, as i need a good voyager Starscream after the disasterpiece that was PotPie Starscream.

[Emerje]

Either that, or *gasp* maybe he has no gimmick. So far the characters with gimmicks are in the minority in this line compared to the other figures outside of the weapons, who's to say Shockwave has to do something special?

Honestly I'll likely be fine with him no matter how he turns out. There aren't many outright bad Leader figures (I really can't think of one that I dislike) so I have no reason to think this one wont turn out well, with or without armor.

Emerje

[ScottyP]

I will take a well done Shockwave. His time has come.

Though still a tad disappointed that it looks like it will be Shockwave and not Tidal Wave

Maybe it'll be Micron Legends Shockwave
I mean we'll get an RID Ultra Magnus alt mode. So why not?
And maybe this one can finally combine with a Megatron

This is such dirty talk. I'm into it. Tidal me over with more Waves of these false hopes

[william-james88]

Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.

Hasbro was very clear that this line would be robot mode scale accurate. So that posits a problem for the leader class which only has a few characters that would work (like Jetfire and Ultra Magnus, as we saw in the previous Gen lines). Which makes me truly believe that there is an armour up/extra accessory gimmick going on here, giving us a voyager sized shockwave at a leader price. Just like TLK Sqweaks was a smaller toy with accessories sold as a deluxe. And more specifically, like Ultra Magnus who is a confirmed voyager sized white prime that comes with armour. Plus, since they also confirmed that they had made mock ups of all the possible winners of the prime contest, there is a "voyager" sized shockwave out there already designed that would end up at a leader class price point.

Anyways, all the evidence points to this shockwave being in perfect scale with a voyager Megatron. The only thing that some fans might not like is that they still have to pay a leader price for him on accessories/armour they might not need.

Not so thrilled about deluxe class seekers though.

[Lore Keeper]

Plus, since they also confirmed that they had made mock ups of all the possible winners of the prime contest, there is a "voyager" sized shockwave out there already designed that would end up at a leader class price point.

Really??? I would pay money to see those! Think of all the cool ideas, especially for characters that aren't normally Prime-like in stature like Arcee and Hound!

[Sentinel_Primal]

Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.

Hasbro was very clear that this line would be robot mode scale accurate. So that posits a problem for the leader class which only has a few characters that would work (like Jetfire and Ultra Magnus, as we saw in the previous Gen lines). Which makes me truly believe that there is an armour up/extra accessory gimmick going on here, giving us a voyager sized shockwave at a leader price. Just like TLK Sqweaks was a smaller toy with accessories sold as a deluxe. And more specifically, like Ultra Magnus who is a confirmed voyager sized white prime that comes with armour. Plus, since they also confirmed that they had made mock ups of all the possible winners of the prime contest, there is a "voyager" sized shockwave out there already designed that would end up at a leader class price point.

Anyways, all the evidence points to this shockwave being in perfect scale with a voyager Megatron. The only thing that some fans might not like is that they still have to pay a leader price for him on accessories/armour they might not need.

Not so thrilled about deluxe class seekers though.

My only complaint if they do role out their unused designs is that it sort of cheapens the poll from PotP a bit. It wouldn't be "Which character should get a new toy with this gimmick?!" It'd just be, which do you want first. Which, while I acknowledge they'll always use the characters multiple times, annoys me because if they're using the evolution gimmick, then there's a gimmick that doesn't belong. If it's a case with Ultra Magnus, it works because that was his design. But Shockwave was never a power-up. It should have been either Star Saber or Thunderwing then. Idk, just my two cents

[william-james88]

Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.

Hasbro was very clear that this line would be robot mode scale accurate. So that posits a problem for the leader class which only has a few characters that would work (like Jetfire and Ultra Magnus, as we saw in the previous Gen lines). Which makes me truly believe that there is an armour up/extra accessory gimmick going on here, giving us a voyager sized shockwave at a leader price. Just like TLK Sqweaks was a smaller toy with accessories sold as a deluxe. And more specifically, like Ultra Magnus who is a confirmed voyager sized white prime that comes with armour. Plus, since they also confirmed that they had made mock ups of all the possible winners of the prime contest, there is a "voyager" sized shockwave out there already designed that would end up at a leader class price point.

Anyways, all the evidence points to this shockwave being in perfect scale with a voyager Megatron. The only thing that some fans might not like is that they still have to pay a leader price for him on accessories/armour they might not need.

Not so thrilled about deluxe class seekers though.

My only complaint if they do role out their unused designs is that it sort of cheapens the poll from PotP a bit. It wouldn't be "Which character should get a new toy with this gimmick?!" It'd just be, which do you want first. Which, while I acknowledge they'll always use the characters multiple times, annoys me because if they're using the evolution gimmick, then there's a gimmick that doesn't belong. If it's a case with Ultra Magnus, it works because that was his design. But Shockwave was never a power-up. It should have been either Star Saber or Thunderwing then. Idk, just my two cents

I wasnt referring to the power up per se, I was referring to them already having designs for a "voyager sized" shockwave, meaning the one that would have gotten a power up in POTP. They could start from that smaller figure and build around it differently, or give it added accessories. I do not think we will be getting exactly what we would have gotten if he would have won.

Regardless, I sure as **** hope Trypticon winning the titan vote does not mean we will never get an Omega Supreme of Scorponok. That would suck hard, dont care if it means the titan poll ends up cheapened a little.

[Sentinel_Primal]

Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.

Hasbro was very clear that this line would be robot mode scale accurate. So that posits a problem for the leader class which only has a few characters that would work (like Jetfire and Ultra Magnus, as we saw in the previous Gen lines). Which makes me truly believe that there is an armour up/extra accessory gimmick going on here, giving us a voyager sized shockwave at a leader price. Just like TLK Sqweaks was a smaller toy with accessories sold as a deluxe. And more specifically, like Ultra Magnus who is a confirmed voyager sized white prime that comes with armour. Plus, since they also confirmed that they had made mock ups of all the possible winners of the prime contest, there is a "voyager" sized shockwave out there already designed that would end up at a leader class price point.

Anyways, all the evidence points to this shockwave being in perfect scale with a voyager Megatron. The only thing that some fans might not like is that they still have to pay a leader price for him on accessories/armour they might not need.

Not so thrilled about deluxe class seekers though.

My only complaint if they do role out their unused designs is that it sort of cheapens the poll from PotP a bit. It wouldn't be "Which character should get a new toy with this gimmick?!" It'd just be, which do you want first. Which, while I acknowledge they'll always use the characters multiple times, annoys me because if they're using the evolution gimmick, then there's a gimmick that doesn't belong. If it's a case with Ultra Magnus, it works because that was his design. But Shockwave was never a power-up. It should have been either Star Saber or Thunderwing then. Idk, just my two cents

I wasnt referring to the power up per se, I was referring to them already having designs for a "voyager sized" shockwave, meaning the one that would have gotten a power up in POTP. They could start from that smaller figure and build around it differently, or give it added accessories. I do not think we will be getting exactly what we would have gotten if he would have won.

Regardless, I sure as **** hope Trypticon winning the titan vote does not mean we will never get an Omega Supreme of Scorponok. That would suck hard, dont care if it means the titan poll ends up cheapened a little.

Oh, I'm not saying that we should never get the "losers" of a poll. I just don't think when they do get their next figure they should be what the poll was for. (Still never understood why Trypticon won the Titans Return poll when Scorponok was there...) Basically, if Omega's this years titan, he shouldn't be a headmaster. My point is they shouldn't do more power up guys, unless it makes sense. Primal shows what happens when a design that was never meant to evolve, does

[ZeroWolf]

I'd be okay if os was a titan master as I'd see it as a nice homage to his energon self. They could still do that and style him as his g1 self (and turn into the ark ).

Backing up Autobot N, I too thought that Screamer and co were listed at the voyager price point?

I think it would be nice if this 'S' was actually some one new.

[frogbat]

I'm glad we're finally getting a large generations shockwave. And it makes perfect sense for him to be major release in this line as he was one of the few g1 characters to had kept his cybertronian mode. Also was expecting a voyager but not surprised by a leader class.

Scale wise the only thing that kinda bothers me are the decepticon seekers - reckon they should be voyagers as planes are always larger than cars and that the deceptions always seemed to be outnumbered but they compensated for this by being larger and more powerful besides being able to fly... Leader class like the CW jetfire moulds were overkill however...

[RotorstormNZ]

Starscream needs to be a Voyager class figure to scale correctly with the rest of the line revealed so far.

I keep thinking I read that Starscream was confirmed to be a Voyager, but I'm not sure if it was true (a Warden video interview?) or it was

If I remember correctly, the leaked Amazon listings had Starscream (and Thundercracker, as well) at the Voyager pricepoint with Megatron, Prime, and Springer.

I'm inclined to think Deluxe S_____ is Sixgun. One day soon we'll find out, probably when we least expect!

[william-james88]

Yes, starscream's product code sets him as a voyager and we know we are getting a deluxe sixgun.

[Emerje]

Yes, starscream's product code sets him as a voyager and we know we are getting a deluxe sixgun.

But would they put both Sixgun and Cog in the same wave together with no Decepticons? Seems unlikely.

Emerje

[ZeroWolf]

They could give us a purple redeco of cog and give him a name starting with S

[Wolfman Jake]

Here's another weird idea. What if "S" is actually Slammer, and not Sixgun? That would pretty much make the Autobot Cityformers complete when we get Sixgun later on. I'm also betting on getting the Decepticon Cityformer buddies Brunt and Fasttrack in this way. That's five Deluxe Partsformers for a line set to be one year long with presumably four waves total. Giving the first wave two of them and then just one new for each additional wave would work out just right.

[william-james88]

Yes, starscream's product code sets him as a voyager and we know we are getting a deluxe sixgun.

But would they put both Sixgun and Cog in the same wave together with no Decepticons? Seems unlikely.

Emerje

It does, I was just writing what we knew of the line.