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Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:06 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Just an FYI, while fans may not believe it, Peter Cullen has stated that Optimus is the same charater in every iteration he voices. It doesnt mean the same continuity, of course, it just means that its the same character, with same values, wisdom, age (confirmed by Cullen), courage ect.


I believe that to be more symbolic than anything else. He probably channels the same inspiration each time he voices Optimus, which is why they often sound similar (except in RiD15 when it sounded like he was phoning it in...but even I don't know that...)

Still, if asked in person, I seriously doubt, even Cullen would lump together Optimus Prime & Bayverse *Give me your face* , versions as one-and-the same.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:13 pm

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o.supreme wrote:The Optimus Prime that was inducted into the TF Hall of Fame didn't represent every version of that character.
The official Hall of Fame video for Optimus would say otherwise, though the Hall of Fame profile described specifically Aligned Optimus.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:18 pm

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o.supreme wrote:Still, if asked in person, I seriously doubt, even Cullen would lump together Optimus Prime & Bayverse *Give me your face* , versions as one-and-the same.

He does. Very specifically. But I think its just to apease the G1 fanboys (of which he owes his current career to). He's still an official source though.
He lumps them as the same performance and the same character. Movie Prime is basically G1 Prime fed up :lol:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:36 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Batman is no longer defined by his 30's characterisation after all.


That could not be more false

Everything above still rings true to what is Batman today:



No, that would be his origin story, not his characterisation. :HEADHURTS:

30's Batman:

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It's not just that 30's Batman clearly had no qualms about killing back then, but his disregard for the lives of criminals. A core of his character then, absent for several decades, outside of Elseworlds and Millarverse books.


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Sabrblade wrote:By that logic, we shouldn't be considering anything from the G1 cartoon as canon anymore either. It's been done and dead for 30 years. ;)


No, we shouldn't. G1 is as dead as the rest of the 80's. People need to let it go and embrace the fluid and progressive nature of canon within a long term series. Batman is no longer defined by his 30's characterization after all.


OK...Go tell a bunch of OS Star Trek fans to "Let it Go" after almost 60 years...yeah that's not happening. We see how well JJ's "reinterpretation" of the original series, and Discovery are going. :SICK:


The Next Generation being perhaps the highest regarded Star Trek series ever made. It forged it's own identity and cast TOS aside to do it. The equivalent to Transformers would be a select group of fans wanting everything to look and sound like TOS. Which ultimately snuffs out creativity, long term.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:24 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:30's Batman:

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It's not just that 30's Batman clearly had no qualms about killing back then, but his disregard for the lives of criminals. A core of his character then, absent for several decades, outside of Elseworlds and Millarverse books.






AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The Next Generation being perhaps the highest regarded Star Trek series ever made. It forged it's own identity and cast TOS aside to do it. The equivalent to Transformers would be a select group of fans wanting everything to look and sound like TOS. Which ultimately snuffs out creativity, long term.


But TNG would not exist without TOS, and while it's highly regarded, in no way did it ever cast TOS aside. One of the main reasons why I liked Star Trek up until the Abrams films, and SW (until Disney), is exactly because there was just one continuity, ONE Universe, not an overly complex multiverse.

I feel there is enough diversity in story telling (specifically Transformers) that you can keep moving forward & backward in one time line, and keep things fresh, (beast wars proved this) rather than rehashing the same "current time" over and over again in different universes
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:46 pm

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As I posted last night, I finally found the Wave 1 Siege Voyagers and Leaders at one of my local Target stores. I picked up everyone except for Ultra Magnus. Were these worth my wait?

I'll start, of course, with Siege Voyager Optimus Prime. This IS the best G1/Classics Optimus Prime figure we've gotten in over 12 years (not counting the Masterpiece line, of course). In his robot mode, he looks like he could have stepped right out of the original cartoon and onto my display shelf. He is just a bit taller than 2006 Classics Voyager Optimus Prime, so this mold is a definitive upgrade for my collection. The proportions are just right, not too bulky, not too stylized, and now I don't have to put up with the distracting "forearm wings" from the cab side panel kibble. The colors are great, but the masking and apps aren't quite perfect. I would have preferred a gray stripe on the chest and white thighs, but they're seemingly reverse. Also, Hasbro apparently forgot again about the blue square on Optimus' pelvis. And for some reason, the gray/silver painted shin vents still persist, even though they're not G1 toy or screen accurate at all. At least his hands are the proper blue, though!

Siege Optimus Prime's alt mode is not too bad in hand. It does look a little off model with that big flat "hat" atop the truck cab. That, and the clear blue grill on the front of the cab do make him look a little more fanciful or stylized than his usual Earth-based truck mode, but they're not too distracting. It works well enough as a "Cybertronian" mode without being so alien that it couldn't just be a futuristic Earth truck. The alt mode definitely makes compromises trying to seemingly fill two roles at once, but it does so about the best it can, and when you consider the transformation scheme of the figure, it makes it even easier to understand and accept the liberties that were taken (and those that were not).

The transformation is very fun. It's involved, yet intuitive, and not at all frustrating. It feels rewarding getting Siege Optimus Prime converted between robot and truck. I was able to transformer him successfully back and forth in about 10-15 minutes, just from using the pictures on the back of the box as a guide (no instructions). Everything is well thought out too, from how the wheels tuck away in robot mode, to how the backs of the shins get filled in, to how the actual truck cab windows still manage to become Prime's real robot mode chest. The large flat piece on top of the cab makes that possible, and it's hard to see how it would work otherwise. The only disappointment is that the robot mode is still left with some kibble on the forearms, though it's not nearly as large or intrusive as on the Classics mold, as it sits below the forearm and is much smaller. Still, it would have been nice if there could have been some extra hinges to fold those pieces up flush against the forearms, instead of letting them just kind of dangle below.

The battle damage paint apps aren't all that bad on Prime, honestly. I would have liked if the applications on the shoulders, forearms, and thighs had been dialed back a bit, though. It's not as distracting as I once thought it would be, but I would be even happier to have this Optimus Prime figure sport a "clean" paint job. I may experiment with wiping some of them off with rubbing alcohol if I pick up a duplicate figure in the future, but for now, I'm not overly bothered by the weathering effects.

The accessories for Siege Optimus Prime are what you would expect. Prime's iconic gun is molded well and resembles its G1 iteration admirably. The axe is neat and does make a convincing axe or shield depending on how you configure it. Right now, I'm using it as a shield and have given Prime the axe from Thrilling 30 Deluxe Orion Pax. It's too bad they didn't think to make the axe head orange, or even just the bladed front and back parts that tuck away for shield mode orange. Little touches like that, as well as a few paint mask/application improvements, would make this fantastic figure nearly perfect. TF-fan kev777 pointed out to me that there are small panels easily missed in the transformation of Prime's legs, near the knees, that fold out to create a 5mm hole in the middle of the truck bed, so you can store one (or both if you're creative) of his accessories there and not have to rely on the top of the cab or the sides of the legs in truck mode.

I do hope Siege Voyager Optimus Prime won't be a one and done mold for the future. I want to see a "Platinum Edition" of this released as G1 Optimus Prime, with spot on screen accurate paint apps, no "battle damage," an axe/shield accessory cast in translucent orange plastic, and if we're REALLY good, just a touch of remolding to make both the robot mode and vehicle mode silhouettes as close to the animation models as possible.

Do NOT pass up on this figure for your Classics Transformers collections! If my words can't convince you, then I hope these pictures will!

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:31 pm

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Thanks, Wolfman. Prime is a buy for me, for the robot mode. I don't care for the truck mode much, but it's still a good figure from what I have seen.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:34 pm

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I personally like the painted shin vents, I think it looks better than leaving them blue. You're right that they're not painted on the original toy, but they've always looked to me like they should be. There's a lot of molded detail on the G1 toys that isn't painted (or, in the case of die-cast parts, painted separately) but that looks like it should be. Biggest example is the Sideswipe mold's tail lights.

Speaking of the original toy, the SIEGE toy's forearm kibble kinda gives its forearms a similar profile:
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I don't know that that was intended, but there it is.

I'm not too bothered by the lack of orange on the axe, because while it's an axe it's not THE axe. The axe is an energon construct with a short haft and a ball at the base of it that replaces Optimus' hand. This axe is a long-hafted handheld axe made of metal that turns into a shield. It's a different gadget, so in my book at least it's fine as it is.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:43 pm

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Thanks for the review Wolfman! I've warmed up to prime a lot since the intial reveal and aim to get him and megs next time I see him.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby chinoragragio21tf » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:50 pm

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I'm really loving this line. I don't recall the last time I've been this stoked over Transformers toys. We currently only have Wave 1 in stores near us, but lookong forward to getting my hands on Magnus and Shockwave!

Checkout my video review of Optimus:

http://youtu.be/OQOOgU5cQOE

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby no-one » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:56 pm

Wolfman Jake wrote:"Siege Prime is the cool" - paraphrased

Do NOT pass up on this figure for your Classics Transformers collections!
Those are pretty much my thought exactly, I'm still trying recoup from having my mind blown. I'm hoping for a NemmyP repaint.

I don't mind the odd roof top, its weird he has molded cab lights under it. It's a little awkward on his back but I've found a few to make it "better". The first (and why I have taken a pic is beyond me) is spin it 180° and it will sit closer to him at an angle but then all the little bits are exposed.

The other thing is to use some imagination.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:01 pm

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How many fire drives do we have to buy to get that effect?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby no-one » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:03 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:How many fire drives do we have to buy to get that effect?
Just the one ;)^

But three might fit that space :-?

It'll never happen, but man I wish they'd realae a big bag of effect parts via the selects line.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:03 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:How many fire drives do we have to buy to get that effect?

Just one, he comes with two of those pieces.
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Postby no-one » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:11 pm

Not sure if I'd use the word better, but it's an option.

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Dat Prime is so sassy :lol:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:48 pm

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Next up, I'll give my thoughts on Siege Voyager Megatron. Like Optimus, this is easily the best Megatron of the "Classics" kind we've gotten in the 12 years since the idea of updating G1 characters with new toy technology became a thing. Siege Megatron has replaced Titans Return Voyager Megatron in my Classics display, and there is NO going back!

Even though this is the closet to the G1 character model of Megatron in toy form we've gotten (again, outside of the Masterpiece line), it still obviously takes some liberties, simply because he has to turn into something that's NOT a handgun. Optimus Prime is almost a perfect match for his own character model in robot mode, but Megatron is a few steps behind, due to some of the tank kibble involved, particularly the large treads hanging off his back, peaking above his shoulders. Honestly, though, Megatron wears the tank parts well and he looks nonetheless the part of this G1 self in this reimagined configuration. What helps especially is the spot-on head sculpt. It's taken Hasbro and Takara Tomy many years and several different iterations, but each time, they seem to do better and better at capturing Megatron's iconic sinister mug in plastic form. The colors used are perfect too. The shade of gray plastic this figure is cast in is leagues better than the anemic looking "off white" color Hasbro used for TR Megatron just a couple years ago.

Speaking of the tank alt mode, it works pretty well for Megatron. It's nothing new to see a Megatron, whether a G1 reimagining or from an alternate universe/continuity, done up as a tank, but it's done particularly well here. He definitely looks a lot more "Cybertronian" than Siege Optimus Prime's truck mode, that's for sure! The tank looks passable as a traditional tank design, while still being that fictional "H-tank" design that Hasbro and Takara Tomy seem so fond of for what ever reason. (My guess is design simplicity. ;) ) Of note, the tank mode does sport some brown paint apps, which are largely absent from the stock photography on the back of the box. Indeed, there are a few other paint operations either switched around or omitted on the final product, like some extra red detailing on the shoulder covers in tank mode. I'm not sure why the brown is there (mostly on the tank's tread guards) as it doesn't seem to match up with anything from the original G1 Megatron toy, nor the cartoon model.

The transformation of Siege Megatron is pretty straight forward, except for converting the legs from robot into tank mode. That was a little tricky, but I still manage to figure it out with the instructions, thought it did admittedly take me a little longer to convert Megatron back and forth than it did for Optimus Prime. The rest of the transformation is very intuitive, but the lack of complexity makes it feel just a bit less exciting/rewarding compared to Optimus. The trade off is that converting Megatron, once you know the trick with the legs, is much faster.

As for the battle damage paint apps, Megatron's aren't too intrusive, at least on the arms and shins. I'm not really happy with the splotches on his helmet. Those are distracting to me. There's a bit too much on the chest for my liking too. I'm seriously considering at the very least wiping off the splotches on the helmet. I might even go so far as to clean off some of the paint apps on the chest, if not remove them altogether.

Megatron's accessories are very a propos. He, of course, has his requisite Fusion Cannon. (You can't be G1 Megatron without it!) The bigger "surprise" is the converting sword, very reminiscent of the one that game with the G1 figure. Instead of using it as a weapon, though, I prefer to put mine behind the right shoulder of Megatron in robot mode. Just twist the blades down and point the barrel upwards. It simulates the gun muzzle in G1 Megatron that sat behind the same shoulder in his character model. I also really appreciate the accessory integration in tank mode as well. The fusion cannon is essential to the tank anyway, and the sword hides very well, not looking superfluous. Optimus Prime has to make do with putting his blaster and axe/shield on his cab roof, truck bed, or the sides of his legs, for the most part. None of the configurations are ideal, but you can make a backwards facing turret of sorts by combining the blaster with the shield, placing them together on the truck bed. Thanks, Carytheone for that tip!

There's not a lot I'd want out of a hypothetical "Platinum Edition" of Siege Megatron beyond the obvious omission of the battle damage and adding in a few missing paint details, like the red rectangle on his abdomen. It's about as close to a perfect G1 Megatron as we'll get without it turning into a Walther P-38 pistol.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:00 pm

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Having had megs for a week, I really feel like he's rickety and cheap, and is really hollow (by that, I mean he's light) and there's a lot of weird designs done that really hod the figure back (like the neck area) and the weird detents in his elbows, he honestly feels like a prime wars holdover, also his sword is warped to heck and back, which is a shame, it's easily one of the best weapons ever :(
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby starrhero » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:24 pm

Finally I found a Siege figure in stores... just the one though, so I swiped him as fast as I could, and it was ULTRA MAGNUS!

I haven't seen any deluxes or voyagers, yet I find a leader class figure at a time when I'm trying to save. But no more impulse buying for the next 2-3 weeks.

Still can't believe how hard it's been to find any real Siege figures other than battlemasters and micromasters. But hey, it's the MAGNUS!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:50 pm

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starrhero wrote:Finally I found a Siege figure in stores... just the one though, so I swiped him as fast as I could, and it was ULTRA MAGNUS!

I haven't seen any deluxes or voyagers, yet I find a leader class figure at a time when I'm trying to save. But no more impulse buying for the next 2-3 weeks.

Still can't believe how hard it's been to find any real Siege figures other than battlemasters and micromasters. But hey, it's the MAGNUS!

Nice find! Let us know what you think of him
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:57 pm

Wolfman Jake wrote:Optimus Prime has to make do with putting his blaster and axe/shield on his cab roof, unfortunately. He doesn't seem to have a place to put them on his truck bed.


Actually he can put 1 or the other, but not both. If you didn't use the instructions, then you likely missed 1 step that uncovers a 5mm port. There is a very well hidden panel on each of his knees that needs to be folded up. His left knee hides the 5mm port. Shield fits perfectly there, blaster still has to go up top or on the side for me.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:11 pm

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Well, the base G1 Optimus cab design never was meant to store the weapons. A trailer would be nice.
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Postby no-one » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:11 pm

There's a third less elegant option.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby starrhero » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:42 pm

So, I've had Magnus for around an hour & a half now, & my god he is so good. I've never actually reviewed a figure in this style before, so I guess I'll start with scale.

This is an interesting size for a leader class figure. He clearly is shorter than previous leaders, but of course, that's the point, these figures are supposed to be much more scale accurate to the Generation 1 cartoon. So, compared to Titans Return Hot Rod, :TAKARATOMY: Legends Arcee, & Potp Wreck Garr, he's absolutly fantastic next to them. But next to Potp Optimus? Woah, Prime got rrrRRRRIIIIPED! I must say, I do like this size for leader figures. They're still big, but they're more... realistic compared to the other size classes. I guess my only complaint about size is, compared to a Prime Wars voyager figure, Magnus is only a slight bit taller. Which I get, it's supposed to be in scale with the newer figures, so that's more of a nitpick.

Now we have the painting and sculpting of the figure... wait.
The figure looks amazing. The colors on him, the shade of blue they used just looks fantastic on him. The greebling (is that how it's spelled? :HEADHURTS: ) looks rather nice, despite the worry of him looking overly-detailed. But now it's time to face the demons on this figure. The battle-damaged paint. I don't hate it. In fact, on the armored up Magnus, it looks great. But on the white Prime... at least on my figure, it looks like grey striped patterns on his shins. It looks nothing like battle damage. It looks like he's secretly wearing striped sweats. It's funny, but it definetly doesn't look like what it's supposed to.

Then of course, there's the white prime underneath the armor. He's just such a good addition. He's as solid as the armored form. It's just so enjoyable to see the classic white prime. However, this is where a few more nitpicky things come up. One, screw. those. god. forsaken. SHOULDER PIECES! I can't, for the life of me, properly re-attach the shoulder pieces. It took me around 10 minutes for me to do it & I actually, for real, like a total wimp, cut my thumb trying to put the pieces on the shoulders. Two, a lot of the pieces on the figure are insanely tight. It's good they're tight, but I was so frightened trying to get the arm pieces off, I thought I almost broke the figure.

I haven't actually tried to transform him into the car-carrier, as I've been afraid about the god forsaken shoulder pieces that I've put it off for now, but otherwise, he's fantastic.

If you want a great looking, great feeling, overall great Ultra Magnus figure, this is the one. I would've included pictures, but they came out upside down? Oh well.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:22 pm

starrhero wrote:I would've included pictures, but they came out upside down? Oh well.


I'm using a laptop, I could turn it upside down if that would help? :-D

I've had mine since yesterday, but haven't had a chance to open him yet. I'll beware the G-D shoulder pieces when I do.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:30 pm

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Comparison between Sideswipe and the newest member of my collection. They're about the same size.
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* Primus Cyber Key, coattail panel
* Powerlinx Comettor
* Leader Sentinel Prime sword, shield
* RiD Galvy dragon head, beast arms
* Leader Ironhide windshield, R hood assy.
* Cyb. Wing Saber left chestplate (argh)

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