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Stargrave wrote:Siege II: Even Siege-ier.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:On Unicron, man, I see the love and hope you guys have for this, and I just don’t get it. Like, at all.Anyway, you’ve all asked for no dissent, so putting my fears of this aside, I will just say that for those of you who really want this, and can safely afford this, I hope you get it, and I hope it’s everything you want.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:On Unicron, man, I see the love and hope you guys have for this, and I just don’t get it. Like, at all.Anyway, you’ve all asked for no dissent, so putting my fears of this aside, I will just say that for those of you who really want this, and can safely afford this, I hope you get it, and I hope it’s everything you want.
Thanks, but what don’t you get?
Healthy dissent is OK, but I can’t understand the “I hope it fails” crowd.
Stargrave wrote:megatronus wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:On Unicron, man, I see the love and hope you guys have for this, and I just don’t get it. Like, at all.Anyway, you’ve all asked for no dissent, so putting my fears of this aside, I will just say that for those of you who really want this, and can safely afford this, I hope you get it, and I hope it’s everything you want.
Thanks, but what don’t you get?
Healthy dissent is OK, but I can’t understand the “I hope it fails” crowd.
I think there’s been plenty of healthy and fair dissent there've definitely been fair criticisms. Like valid frustrations.
It’s the blind fail faily Failacon ‘negative just to try and show how clever I am with language’ attitude I find too annoying not to retort to. Sometimes I just can’t resheath my snark till it’s drawn troll blood. Human, guilty.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Yeah, dissent is fine! Since things look bleak for it now, reasonable dissent is very good since that's info Hasbro can use as lessons if they try a TF Haslab project again.megatronus wrote:Stargrave wrote:megatronus wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:On Unicron, man, I see the love and hope you guys have for this, and I just don’t get it. Like, at all.Anyway, you’ve all asked for no dissent, so putting my fears of this aside, I will just say that for those of you who really want this, and can safely afford this, I hope you get it, and I hope it’s everything you want.
Thanks, but what don’t you get?
Healthy dissent is OK, but I can’t understand the “I hope it fails” crowd.
I think there’s been plenty of healthy and fair dissent there've definitely been fair criticisms. Like valid frustrations.
It’s the blind fail faily Failacon ‘negative just to try and show how clever I am with language’ attitude I find too annoying not to retort to. Sometimes I just can’t resheath my snark till it’s drawn troll blood. Human, guilty.
Right - I got into some fights on the main Unicron thread responding to just that (perceived) attitude.
There are things people can ding, like the payment plan (though I maintain you realistically had 10-12 weeks to figure out funds), or if you just aren’t a fan of the size or design (though I love those things). Contrary views can co-exist.
ScottyP wrote:Since things look bleak for it now
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:but what don’t you get?
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:megatronus wrote:but what don’t you get?
Why people think this is a good direction to take the fan oriented part of the franchise. I see this as Hasbro testing the waters to see is this is a viable avenue to mark up and then market collector focused items. To copy what I said in the other thread:
Kickstarters should be transparent. We should see exactly where our 600 dollars are going, not just take Hasbro at their word that this is what it costs. If they don't want to tell us, then they should just run it as a regular retail item.
Kickstarters are for start up companies. Mom and pop type setups, NOT for multi billion dollar international publicly traded mega corporations. Hasbro going this route is, to me, fishy as hell. This isn't how big business is done. I feel that they are testing the waters here for future retail. This is Hasbro's way, I fear, of making the toy equivalent of the video game 'pay to win' set ups.
Not because Hasbro is some "evil" entity, but because they are all about, and only about, making as much money as they possibly can. They simply would not do this without a grantee of a big payday. They board of directors/share holders would have the ass off all involved otherwise. That is the simple reality of how corporate business works.
Look, I've spent the last 20 years of my life working for, with, and around corporations. They simply do not do anything that they don't believe will payout, or increase profit. Its not being negative, its simply the reality of business in a free market.
Transparency of the costs involved would alleviate all of that worry, or at lease be honest.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Well thought out post but I'm gonna pick on this one point. I don't think any US retailer would buy enough of these for it to be worth it to them. Normally, Hasbro would see if they could sell those 8,000 units to someone like Walmart. I'm sure Walmart's toy buyers don't really want to (or did not want to) take a risk on buying inventory of this product, thus, it's on Haslab.Ironhidensh wrote:megatronus wrote:but what don’t you get?
If they don't want to tell us, then they should just run it as a regular retail item.
ScottyP wrote:Well thought out post but I'm gonna pick on this one point. I don't think any US retailer would buy enough of these for it to be worth it to them. Normally, Hasbro would see if they could sell those 8,000 units to someone like Walmart. I'm sure Walmart's toy buyers don't really want to (or did not want to) take a risk on buying inventory of this product, thus, it's on Haslab.Ironhidensh wrote:megatronus wrote:but what don’t you get?
If they don't want to tell us, then they should just run it as a regular retail item.
On actual costs, iirc the tooling cost alone on Metroplex was over $750k. If we assume Unicron's is at the very minimum double that, there's $1.5M, roughly a third of what they're trying to raise on Haslab. Then there's the R&D time already spent, marketing dollars, actual materials, more R&D time to get it ready for production, creating the packaging and likely some enormous, insanity level freight costs to distribute them. And tbey want to profit, so to me the price isn't unfair - but this is pure speculation so always possible that $575 is too greedy, likely we'll never know.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
ScottyP wrote:Well thought out post but I'm gonna pick on this one point. I don't think any US retailer would buy enough of these for it to be worth it to them. Normally, Hasbro would see if they could sell those 8,000 units to someone like Walmart. I'm sure Walmart's toy buyers don't really want to (or did not want to) take a risk on buying inventory of this product, thus, it's on Haslab.Ironhidensh wrote:megatronus wrote:but what don’t you get?
If they don't want to tell us, then they should just run it as a regular retail item.
On actual costs, iirc the tooling cost alone on Metroplex was over $750k. If we assume Unicron's is at the very minimum double that, there's $1.5M, roughly a third of what they're trying to raise on Haslab. Then there's the R&D time already spent, marketing dollars, actual materials, more R&D time to get it ready for production, creating the packaging and likely some enormous, insanity level freight costs to distribute them. And tbey want to profit, so to me the price isn't unfair - but this is pure speculation so always possible that $575 is too greedy, likely we'll never know.
Flashwave wrote::michaelbay:ScottyP wrote:Well thought out post but I'm gonna pick on this one point. I don't think any US retailer would buy enough of these for it to be worth it to them. Normally, Hasbro would see if they could sell those 8,000 units to someone like Walmart. I'm sure Walmart's toy buyers don't really want to (or did not want to) take a risk on buying inventory of this product, thus, it's on Haslab.Ironhidensh wrote:megatronus wrote:but what don’t you get?
If they don't want to tell us, then they should just run it as a regular retail item.
On actual costs, iirc the tooling cost alone on Metroplex was over $750k. If we assume Unicron's is at the very minimum double that, there's $1.5M, roughly a third of what they're trying to raise on Haslab. Then there's the R&D time already spent, marketing dollars, actual materials, more R&D time to get it ready for production, creating the packaging and likely some enormous, insanity level freight costs to distribute them. And tbey want to profit, so to me the price isn't unfair - but this is pure speculation so always possible that $575 is too greedy, likely we'll never know.
Strictly a thought excersice, you say Walmart wouldnt have wanted to take on 8K*$575, but what about someone like Diamond, who is already in thr Niche Collector Market?
Now, I say that, knowing that 95% of the could have been Diamond Orders are already in at Haslab, so maybe it wouldnt have gotten thr remaining whatever they need--5,000? But maybe it could have gotten Unicron out of an inarguably restricting platform?
Sledge wrote:Finally! Wheelie will get the credit he's due with a set of five Wheelies.
ScottyP wrote:Kid 1 "What did you get for Christmas?"
Kid 2 "Steve.........What did you get?"
Kid 1 "John Cena!"
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