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Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:54 am

Which Dark Lord wins?

News Credits: 2 · Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:06 am

Palpatine.

Look at the power he has at his disposal, both personal and external manpower. He doesn't need a wand to fight either.

Just force pull the wand away from Voldemort then force lightning him to death.

Voldemort is a pussycat in comparison.

Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:38 am

Ol palpy gets my vote. Voldemort is just pretender. palpatine actually suceeded in taking over a galactic system, while voldy just aiming for a world.

Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:57 am

Palpatine's actions lead to the near extermination of one of the strongest races in their universe, Voldamort scarred a child. I say Palpatine.

Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:35 pm

Palpatine easy. Darth Sidious is the greatest of all dark lords.

Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:09 am

see.... if my friend was here he would totally disagree but fact is voldamort just sucks at life and will never do anything but scare a few wizards...

all the while palpatine is the...

GALACTIC EMPEROR

Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:09 pm

the Sith lord

News Credits: 2 · Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:26 pm

Well, Voldemort accomplished most of what Palpatine did, albeit on a smaller scale. (Voldemort only had the UK to work with, he probably would have spread further if he didn't die)

Voldemort was killed by a kid...well, a 17 year old anyway, who was using a literally unstoppable weapon.

But Palpatine was killed by a man who only had one functioning arm (Prosthetic), a respirator (Which was malfunctioning), and would die if he took his mask off.

Anyway, let's look at actual powers:

Palpatine has above-average Force Powers (He's been shown to be about equal with Yoda), and can leap a large distance for a man of his age, and has enough skill with a lightsaber to be able to drop three Jedi Masters, then hold off Mace Windu for some time.

Voldemort has instant teleportation, flight, and a large number of skills at his disposal. It's been shown that the Killing Curse can be cast in just over a second, while most other spells don't even require an incantation. (Powerful wizards have been shown to be able to cast most low- and mid-level spells this way) While the Killing Curse is blockable, it usually requires a willing human sacrifice.

Yeah, Palpatine has an advantage with his lightsaber (Whatever happened to that after Episode III? He could have used that to NOT be thrown in a pit of death) and Force Powers, Voldemort has plenty of defensive spells, as well as spells comparable to most of Palpatine's Powers. (Accio/Force Pull, Crucio/Force Lightening, etc.)

As much of a Star Wars fan I am, I have to give this one to Voldemort. Call it an upset pick.

Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:23 pm

Vader killing Palpatine was mainly due to the effect of surprise. But I agree that Voldemort takes this one. The way I see it, and most fans would disagree with me, Palpatine managed to dominate the way he did because he was cunning. In canon material, he didn't show that much raw power really. The force lightnings inflict pain but are not that effective to kill someone. On the other hand Voldemort has a wider range of stronger attacks and spells. Without their armies Palpatine doesn't stand a chance. And even with their respective armies, Voldemort has the upper hand. There aren't that amny skilled Sith and the rest is pretty much irrelevant.

Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:45 pm

Gigastorm wrote:see.... if my friend was here he would totally disagree but fact is voldamort just sucks at life and will never do anything but scare a few wizards...

all the while palpatine is the...

GALACTIC EMPEROR

Truer words have yet to be spoken. Voldemort was a pussy, why some random dude didn't just put a shotgun to his head is beyond me.

"Spells huh? How about 20 grain buckshot?" my kind of ending....

News Credits: 2 · Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:11 pm

Thanatos Prime wrote:
Gigastorm wrote:see.... if my friend was here he would totally disagree but fact is voldamort just sucks at life and will never do anything but scare a few wizards...

all the while palpatine is the...

GALACTIC EMPEROR

Truer words have yet to be spoken. Voldemort was a pussy, why some random dude didn't just put a shotgun to his head is beyond me.

"Spells huh? How about 20 grain buckshot?" my kind of ending....

Because the Killing Curse's range, accuracy, and effectiveness are significantly better. Not to mention that Voldemort is always covered by Death Eaters, and he has telepathy to sense anyone he doesn't want around. Not to mention, his name is cursed, and saying his name is like saying HERE I AM, COME TELEPORT IN AND KILL ME.

Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:34 am

Magic doesn't have the same limitations as the Force.

If Palpatine couldn't just levitate instead of letting himself fall down is proof enough for me that he isn't that powerful. He couldn't sense Vader comming to take him out either. I'm sorry but Voldemort wouldn't have been so easy to take down.

News Credits: 7 · Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:38 pm

Evank_Horizon wrote:Magic doesn't have the same limitations as the Force.

No, in Potters world, it's actually limited to only one way of killing, and they need a stick to do any magic...
Where are the old-fashioned fireballs?

The Force has less limitations. There are a lot of ways for the Emperor to keep Voldemort from even starting to do spells. Force choking, Lightning, or just force push Voldemort out of the way, and he is done.

Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:22 pm

If i were to say Voldemort then that means Harry Potter could beat Palpatine! No f--kin way! Palpatine FTW!!!

News Credits: 2 · Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:31 am

Chaoslock wrote:
Evank_Horizon wrote:Magic doesn't have the same limitations as the Force.

No, in Potters world, it's actually limited to only one way of killing, and they need a stick to do any magic...
Where are the old-fashioned fireballs?

The Force has less limitations. There are a lot of ways for the Emperor to keep Voldemort from even starting to do spells. Force choking, Lightning, or just force push Voldemort out of the way, and he is done.

Yep, because Voldemort doesn't have any one of millions of spells that could disrupt, stop, or prevent any of that. [-(

Voldemort has an arsenal that makes Palpatine's look like a couple of parlor tricks.

Defcon! wrote:If i were to say Voldemort then that means Harry Potter could beat Palpatine! No f--kin way! Palpatine FTW!!!

Not necessarily. Harry had the Elder Wand, he couldn't not lose. Voldemort was considerably more powerful than Harry.

Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:51 am

I think what's more important here rather than who has better spells or what kind of wands they have is how they use their magic. I would think palpatine has the edge over voldemort in ruthlessness, deceit, and the ability to wait for the right moment to strike. He'll wait and let his grand plan unfold meanwhile pulling the strings, and making everything go as planned. If he could'nt beat voldemorts magic with the force he would find another way. Besides it seems magic in their world is based on more of what wand you have and a certain magical item you pocess. Their magic is learned from books and the force is infinate it's everywhere. Voldemorts tried and failed how many times for whatever reasons to achieve his goal. Look at the big picture of what palpatine has done with the empire and what he's achieved. He would find a way to beat him if he could'nt do it outright.

News Credits: 2 · Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:28 am

Defcon! wrote:Their magic is learned from books and the force is infinate it's everywhere.

Not quite. Magic is treated in Harry Potter much in the same way the Force is explained in Star Wars. It's usually hereditary, and it takes training. The difference is that Wizard training is normally done is seven years, while Padawan training could take any amount of time.

Defcon! wrote:Voldemorts tried and failed how many times for whatever reasons to achieve his goal.

Twice, he died for real the second time. But even though he failed, he managed to take a lot of people down with him, and, even when everyone was pretty sure he was dead, he was still so frightening, people were too scared to even say his name.

Defcon! wrote:Look at the big picture of what palpatine has done with the empire and what he's achieved.

Like? He took, what, fifty years, orchestrating a war from both sides, before swiping control of the Galaxy out from under the Republic's feet, then lost it all twenty years later. Killed by his own right-hand-man, while in the process of torturing his right-hand-man's son. (Who later went on to undo most of the things Palpatine did)

Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:09 pm

Okay really Luke hasn't undone most of the empire, in hundreds of years in the time of Darth Krayt there is still a remnant of the Empire.

And is it really to insane to think that Palpatine could block a killing curse? Or just take Voldemort's wand away? I mean, it is possible to muti-task with the limitless abilities of the Force. Darth Trayus levetated 3 lightsabers at once, Palpatine can use choke and lightning at the same time in Star Wars Battlefront.

As for the Vader killing Palpatine argument. Darth Vader, one of the biggest evils in the universe, turned unexpectedly against Palpatine, while the Emperor was occupied with the musical sounds of his victims screams. It was the first time in his long life that Palpatine made a mistake. Anakin always sacrificed himself for those he cared for( Obi-wan on Geonosis) and Palpatine underestimated Vader's care for his son.

Palpatine once killed, created a large cloud of pure dark side energies around Endor. He actually did not entirely die, for Palpatine did return with clones.

After killing only a few hundred, maybe less people, Voldemort shot a baby and died. Interesting...

Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:50 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Thanatos Prime wrote:
Gigastorm wrote:see.... if my friend was here he would totally disagree but fact is voldamort just sucks at life and will never do anything but scare a few wizards...

all the while palpatine is the...

GALACTIC EMPEROR

Truer words have yet to be spoken. Voldemort was a pussy, why some random dude didn't just put a shotgun to his head is beyond me.

"Spells huh? How about 20 grain buckshot?" my kind of ending....

Because the Killing Curse's range, accuracy, and effectiveness are significantly better. Not to mention that Voldemort is always covered by Death Eaters, and he has telepathy to sense anyone he doesn't want around. Not to mention, his name is cursed, and saying his name is like saying HERE I AM, COME TELEPORT IN AND KILL ME.

There was next to nothing in those books that modern warfare could not only handle but surpass. The death spell could be dodged, I have yet to see anyone literally dodge a bullet. Nothing was stopping any of those wizards from using modern weapons but their own ignorance.

On the other hand, the Star Wars universe did deal with that fact and made the jedi and sith superior to standard weapons and tactics. That's my logic for Palpatine's easy handling of Voldemort.

News Credits: 2 · Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:10 am

Armorock wrote:After killing only a few hundred, maybe less people, Voldemort shot a baby and died. Interesting...

You do know the baby only survived because of human sacrifice, right?

Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:19 am

Shadowman wrote:
Armorock wrote:After killing only a few hundred, maybe less people, Voldemort shot a baby and died. Interesting...

You do know the baby only survived because of human sacrifice, right?

Yeah, does it make a difference? If you look at it, Vader was a human sacrifice to keep Luke alive. The big difference is that Vader was a powerful dark lord who through Palpatine into the core of the biggest starship created at that time. Voldemort still died trying to kill an infant.

News Credits: 2 · Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:33 am

Armorock wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Armorock wrote:After killing only a few hundred, maybe less people, Voldemort shot a baby and died. Interesting...

You do know the baby only survived because of human sacrifice, right?

Yeah, does it make a difference? If you look at it, Vader was a human sacrifice to keep Luke alive. The big difference is that Vader was a powerful dark lord who through Palpatine into the core of the biggest starship created at that time. Voldemort still died trying to kill an infant.

What do you mean? He didn't die. He assumed an incorporeal form, then a weird humanoid form, then he was normal again, and then he died.

If I remember correctly, Palpatine did the same thing. Except Palpatine was done in by a normal weapon. If Harry didn't have the Elder wand, he wouldn't have survived.

Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:59 am

Actually there was no weapon involved in the death of Palpatine. Unless the all-mighty planet destroying Death Star counts. He was thrown in the core engines of the greatest weapon.

News Credits: 2 · Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:29 am

Armorock wrote:Actually there was no weapon involved in the death of Palpatine. Unless the all-mighty planet destroying Death Star counts. He was thrown in the core engines of the greatest weapon.

I was talking more about what happened AFTER that, what with the clones on Byss and everything.

The weapon was just a plain ol' blaster shot to the spine. Something Voldemort, as well as every other Sith every could have dodged, if not deflected.

Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:56 am

well you said the only way to block the killing curse is a willing human sacrifice right? well, if thats the case palpatine wins. first of all he has a clone army. heres how it goes... voldemort casts killing curse, clone trooper willingly gives life, voldemort goes into incorporeal form, then humaniod, then normal, then repeat. so lather, rinse, repeat.

no one wins until the other dies of old age