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News Credits: 104 · Fri May 20, 2022 2:27 pm

sol magnus wrote:Black Convoy on Youtube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG8s6oA_Z60

Let me guess, Prime Vs Prime and another one of his stolen toys off the factory floor? Ill pass watching this but it is good to know that it is coming out.

News Credits: 14 · Fri May 20, 2022 3:27 pm

sol magnus wrote:
Overcracker wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Black Convoy on Youtube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG8s6oA_Z60

Looks fantastic. The light piping looks great. Still don't understand why they chose to paint over it on the Laser Prime version.

I wonder if there's anyway to remove the paint from the back up Laser Prime's head to re-enable the light piping.

You'll have to let me know as I still have no plans to get the Laser Optimus...although, I really do like both versions. Black Convoy is the one, though. Always has been.

Scourge has the best color scheme yes. Better than Nucleon Quest Super Convoy which started the whole back Prime fad.

But Alas, it seems Scourge will forever be an exclusive of some kind. Though other Walmart exclusives have shown up here they are few and far between.

As to removing the paint of off Laser Prime, have no idea what to use that won't melt the plastic.

The only thing I wish this new scourge had is the chrome. Its missing all the nice chrome of the original.

News Credits: 462 · Fri May 20, 2022 4:47 pm

Overcracker wrote:Nucleon Quest Super Convoy which started the whole back Prime fad.

Not quite. The first "black Optimus" redeco was Onyx Primal in 1996. Then Black Lio Convoy was the first to use the traditional black/gray/teal deco in 1998. There was also a Black Big Convoy in 1999, but his deco was black and gold instead. Car Robots Black Convoy would standardize the Black Lio Convoy deco in 2000, around the same time as the release of a black redeco of G1 Optimus as a Japanese convention exclusive also in 2000. Nucleon Quest Super Convoy didn't come about until 2001, after all of these other black Optimus/Convoy redecos.

News Credits: 332 · Fri May 20, 2022 5:24 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Overcracker wrote:Nucleon Quest Super Convoy which started the whole back Prime fad.
Not quite. The first "black Optimus" redeco was Onyx Primal in 1996. Then Black Lio Convoy was the first to use the traditional black/gray/teal deco in 1998. There was also a Black Big Convoy in 1999, but his deco was black and gold instead. Car Robots Black Convoy would standardize the Black Lio Convoy deco in 2000, around the same time as the release of a black redeco of G1 Optimus as a Japanese convention exclusive also in 2000. Nucleon Quest Super Convoy didn't come about until 2001, after all of these other black Optimus/Convoy redecos.

Wasn't there a TRU Japan exclusive G1 Prime back in the 80s?

News Credits: 462 · Fri May 20, 2022 5:28 pm

chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Overcracker wrote:Nucleon Quest Super Convoy which started the whole back Prime fad.
Not quite. The first "black Optimus" redeco was Onyx Primal in 1996. Then Black Lio Convoy was the first to use the traditional black/gray/teal deco in 1998. There was also a Black Big Convoy in 1999, but his deco was black and gold instead. Car Robots Black Convoy would standardize the Black Lio Convoy deco in 2000, around the same time as the release of a black redeco of G1 Optimus as a Japanese convention exclusive also in 2000. Nucleon Quest Super Convoy didn't come about until 2001, after all of these other black Optimus/Convoy redecos.

Wasn't there a TRU Japan exclusive G1 Prime back in the 80s?

Nope.

News Credits: 13 · Fri May 20, 2022 5:41 pm

This new Scourge is a bit disappointing. The mold is ok, but the paintjob just fails to capture Scourge's likeness. The shoulders and chest should be grey and he shouldn't even have clear plastic on his chest. Hope Reprolables can do something to correct these nitpicks

News Credits: 4889 · Fri May 20, 2022 6:54 pm

Overcracker wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
Overcracker wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Black Convoy on Youtube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG8s6oA_Z60

Looks fantastic. The light piping looks great. Still don't understand why they chose to paint over it on the Laser Prime version.

I wonder if there's anyway to remove the paint from the back up Laser Prime's head to re-enable the light piping.

You'll have to let me know as I still have no plans to get the Laser Optimus...although, I really do like both versions. Black Convoy is the one, though. Always has been.

Scourge has the best color scheme yes. Better than Nucleon Quest Super Convoy which started the whole back Prime fad.

But Alas, it seems Scourge will forever be an exclusive of some kind. Though other Walmart exclusives have shown up here they are few and far between.

As to removing the paint of off Laser Prime, have no idea what to use that won't melt the plastic.

The only thing I wish this new scourge had is the chrome. Its missing all the nice chrome of the original.

This is not a Scourge colour scheme, it's nemesis prime deco on a scourge body.

News Credits: 14 · Fri May 20, 2022 7:34 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Overcracker wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
Overcracker wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Black Convoy on Youtube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG8s6oA_Z60

Looks fantastic. The light piping looks great. Still don't understand why they chose to paint over it on the Laser Prime version.

I wonder if there's anyway to remove the paint from the back up Laser Prime's head to re-enable the light piping.

You'll have to let me know as I still have no plans to get the Laser Optimus...although, I really do like both versions. Black Convoy is the one, though. Always has been.

Scourge has the best color scheme yes. Better than Nucleon Quest Super Convoy which started the whole back Prime fad.

But Alas, it seems Scourge will forever be an exclusive of some kind. Though other Walmart exclusives have shown up here they are few and far between.

As to removing the paint of off Laser Prime, have no idea what to use that won't melt the plastic.

The only thing I wish this new scourge had is the chrome. Its missing all the nice chrome of the original.

This is not a Scourge colour scheme, it's nemesis prime deco on a scourge body.

I’m confused…. What’s the difference?
Scourge:

Transformers Robots In Disguise Scourge (Black Convoy) Gallery

Nemesis Prime

Transformers Armada Nemesis Prime (Scourge) Gallery

black, red and teal…

News Credits: 241 · Fri May 20, 2022 7:42 pm

Overcracker wrote:
william-james88 wrote:This is not a Scourge colour scheme, it's nemesis prime deco on a scourge body.

I’m confused…. What’s the difference?
Scourge:

Transformers Robots In Disguise Scourge (Black Convoy) Gallery

Nemesis Prime

Transformers Armada Nemesis Prime (Scourge) Gallery

black, red and teal…

It's subtle, but it's the ratio of grey vs. black that makes the difference: RiD Scourge is mostly grey with black accents, while Nemesis Prime is black almost all the way. Problem is, with some molds it's not possible to have a grey robot mode and a black vehicle mode thanks to parts appearing in both. The TR Voyager Prime mold did manage that:

... and I see no real reason for the Legacy mold to be unable to do the same other than mold layout problems.

Fri May 20, 2022 8:32 pm

Cyber Bishop wrote:
Emerje wrote:

They do it because it's a convenient way to show a figure's range of motion and instantly recognizable making it easy to tell if its being done right.

Emerje

She said it all in that gif, Maybe I am just old and cynical about stupid crap like that.

I'm with you 100% I never pose my figures like this ever. It makes no sense. There's way better poses to show off a figures articulation. You notice the stock photos are never like this nonsense.

News Credits: 13 · Fri May 20, 2022 8:56 pm

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Overcracker wrote:
william-james88 wrote:This is not a Scourge colour scheme, it's nemesis prime deco on a scourge body.

I’m confused…. What’s the difference?
Scourge:

Transformers Robots In Disguise Scourge (Black Convoy) Gallery

Nemesis Prime

Transformers Armada Nemesis Prime (Scourge) Gallery

black, red and teal…

It's subtle, but it's the ratio of grey vs. black that makes the difference: RiD Scourge is mostly grey with black accents, while Nemesis Prime is black almost all the way. Problem is, with some molds it's not possible to have a grey robot mode and a black vehicle mode thanks to parts appearing in both. The TR Voyager Prime mold did manage that:

... and I see no real reason for the Legacy mold to be unable to do the same other than mold layout problems.

to bring the point home, twitter just had someone post this image of Legacy Scourge with a digibash of what it could have (and should have) looked like

MyFigureCollection.net collection · Fri May 20, 2022 8:57 pm

I love it, but it does suffer from an identity crisis. He's named Nemesis Prime and has the colors to match, but he's in Scourge's body with Scourge's Car Robots "Darth Vader" Combatron symbols. We know it's only called Nemesis Prime because of G1 Scourge, but a little gray on the chest would have tipped it more towards being a new Scourge with a different name rather than some weird amalgamation of the two.

Still think it looks great and will be buying it.

Emerje

News Credits: 10 · Fri May 20, 2022 8:59 pm

grimdragon2001 wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Overcracker wrote:
william-james88 wrote:This is not a Scourge colour scheme, it's nemesis prime deco on a scourge body.

I’m confused…. What’s the difference?
Scourge:

Transformers Robots In Disguise Scourge (Black Convoy) Gallery

Nemesis Prime

Transformers Armada Nemesis Prime (Scourge) Gallery

black, red and teal…

It's subtle, but it's the ratio of grey vs. black that makes the difference: RiD Scourge is mostly grey with black accents, while Nemesis Prime is black almost all the way. Problem is, with some molds it's not possible to have a grey robot mode and a black vehicle mode thanks to parts appearing in both. The TR Voyager Prime mold did manage that:

... and I see no real reason for the Legacy mold to be unable to do the same other than mold layout problems.

to bring the point home, twitter just had someone post this image of Legacy Scourge with a digibash of what it could have (and should have) looked like

Don't care. Want. If they make the correct color I'll get him, too.

News Credits: 101 · Fri May 20, 2022 9:05 pm

I much prefer the colors on Legacy Nemesis Scourge over the original RiD Scourge.

News Credits: 462 · Fri May 20, 2022 9:10 pm

grimdragon2001 wrote:to bring the point home, twitter just had someone post this image of Legacy Scourge with a digibash of what it could have (and should have) looked like

News Credits: 42 · Fri May 20, 2022 9:34 pm

I was never in the market for Scourge but why does he look more like Nemesis Prime

News Credits: 462 · Fri May 20, 2022 9:44 pm

Autobot N wrote:I was never in the market for Scourge but why does he look more like Nemesis Prime

I'm betting it was some mandate by some executive who thinks they know better when they really don't. Something like, "All Nemesis Prime decos should look consistent! Nemesis Prime is BLACK, not GRAY!" or something, much like what was the case with Thrilling 30 Jhiaxus being orange instead of yellow, or the recent Studio Series 86 Hot Rod being red like his G1 toys instead of magenta like his cartoon model (as the designers originally made him cartoon-accurate magenta before an order from on high forced the magenta to be changed to red).

News Credits: 4889 · Fri May 20, 2022 11:05 pm

Overcracker wrote:I’m confused…. What’s the difference?

Their colour schemes are entirely different.
Nemesis Prime is black with teal highlights and red chest since the chest is the alt mode windshield
Scourge is grey with teal highlights and the chest is not red since the chest is not the alt mode windshield.

So while people may still like it and not mind that it isn't the same deco as Scourge usually has, calling it a Scourge deco is just as wrong as saying it's a sleep mode convoy deco.

News Credits: 4889 · Fri May 20, 2022 11:17 pm

With the previous images of Nitro Convoy/Override from the Velocitron line, fans were asking which other toys would be in this Walmart exclusive line. Would it all be characters from the Speed Planet in the Cybertron show? Well now, it's going to be a mix of lots of various continuities, just like they are doing with the Wreckers line and the Legacy line proper. And many of these toys won't even be about characters known for speed, like this one we are showing you now. Thanks to a review by prime vs Prime, we have images of the upcoming big ticket item from this Velocitron line: leader class Black Convoy. This uses the mold of leader glass G2 Optimus Prime from Legacy and while you'd think this meant this toy was Scourge, well it doesn't have that deco. It has the more commonly seen deco of Nemesis Prime which is mostly black instead of mostly grey and has a red chest instead of the chest design we usually see with Scourge. A digibash at the end will show you why fans are mixed on this reveal. The consensus is that it looks really good, but it's not correct. And some feel it's a missed opportunity to have a Scourge deco when we finally have a full on remake of the original toy's mold.

The toy does have the Scourge faction symbols, which are upside down G2 Autobot symbols, so that adds to the identity crisis a bit. You'll let us know what you think.

On the Left we have what the actual Scourge deco looks like applied to this toy while on the right you have the toy we are getting, which is in typical Nemesis Prime colours.

News Credits: 174 · Fri May 20, 2022 11:35 pm

Looks awesome, I think this might be hasbro trying to consolidate all the black rededco prime figures into one character for less confusion, and I don't think there's anything we can do about it.

Does it suck? yeah, kinda, but at the end of the day they really were all just black and teal redeco's for the sake of sales. I think the only reason people are u[set is that one happened to get character development in a cartoon, I have no problem retconning rid scourge as nemesis prime they're basically the same thing >:oP

(To clarify, yes not doing the scourge deco is lame, but maybe they're holding him back for the selects line and we're all gonna end up double dipping on him)

News Credits: 462 · Fri May 20, 2022 11:44 pm

News Credits: 8 · Sat May 21, 2022 12:45 am

I.. I don't hate it, on its own, but that is not the ultimate RID Scourge that I was holding out on this mold for. The truck mode is gorgeous, I am glad they got the trailer as shiny silver as they could. Chrome would been better but this is fine. And I am excited for this molds base mode atleast.i hope someone does comparison shots of this guy with UW Baldigus soon

Sat May 21, 2022 12:55 am

...I'll be honest I was expecting a Toxitron redeco...I still hope we're getting a Toxitron redeco...
(I don't mind evil Primes at all, just figured it'd be something different than yet another 'black repaint'.)

Sat May 21, 2022 12:56 am

The reviewer got it wrong, Hasbro/Takara didn't. That was never meant to be RID Scourge, it's Car Robots Black Convoy.

Scourge > Clear Red windows, flat grey stickers, decepticon faction symbol.
Black Convoy > Clear Pink windows, metallic stickers, upside down G2 autobot faction symbol.

That's before we even get into sonokong black convoy...

Nemesis prime is pretty much a catch all term at this point, but those two have always been distinct characters and toys, at least in their original incarnation. Different shows, different characters, different decos.

News Credits: 22 · Sat May 21, 2022 1:18 am

Sabrblade wrote:

My thought exactly. At the same time, I also agree that he will be released either in Legacy or Selects in correct colors. Hasbro has been doing it with Galvatron and Magnus lately, so why not this leader as well?

It also wouldn't surprise me if we got both a Toxitron and a G2 Magnus deco.