The Energon Pub

AcademyofDrX wrote:Just link to JTPrime's post:
https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/ ... t-20078678

Well that particular post didn't exist yet when I posted, so I couldn't have linked it, but nice call regardless.

I'm mixed on this update if this is accurate info, honestly, because Blurr not using the Pointblank mold could mean this line comes out sooner, but on the other hand I was excited for Armada Blurr and the SS86 Blurr mold is kinda crap IMO.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:Just link to JTPrime's post:
https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/ ... t-20078678

Well that particular post didn't exist yet when I posted, so I couldn't have linked it, but nice call regardless.

I'm mixed on this update if this is accurate info, honestly, because Blurr not using the Pointblank mold could mean this line comes out sooner, but on the other hand I was excited for Armada Blurr and the SS86 Blurr mold is kinda crap IMO.

I like SS86 Blurr just fine, but I don't get the appeal of an alternate deco. The TR mold had all the green I'll ever need, so I'm not very interested in toy colors, and I don't know what else we could be seeing.

Very skeptical about the short-packed Cosmos who I was expecting to want, but a Warpath retool seems odd. I think the various TR & PotP minibots are fine alongside the WfC small deluxes, but I guess we're going to see new versions of those sooner than later. Cosmos was always a bit of an exception since he was effectively a reissue of pre-Prime Wars.

Not even sure what to think of the rumored mold usages, guess we'll just see what happens

If they turn Warpath into Cosmos that would upend all expectations for future retools. It would certainly make me believe Override can look unique while using the Hot Rod mold.

Emerje

Nemesis Primal wrote:right now there is (sadly) a non-zero chance of it being a Toy Colors G1 Blurr instead (even though I cannot tell what difference in deco that would make),

Think something like the difference between Titans Return Blurr and Legends Blurr:

Emerje wrote:If they turn Warpath into Cosmos that would upend all expectations for future retools. It would certainly make me believe Override can look unique while using the Hot Rod mold.

Emerje

IMO remold expectations were upended for me when they turned Alpha Trion into Broadside

Sabrblade wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:right now there is (sadly) a non-zero chance of it being a Toy Colors G1 Blurr instead (even though I cannot tell what difference in deco that would make),

Think something like the difference between Titans Return Blurr and Legends Blurr:

...oh, right.

Gross.

Emerje wrote:If they turn Warpath into Cosmos that would upend all expectations for future retools. It would certainly make me believe Override can look unique while using the Hot Rod mold.

Emerje

I can see it easily. They had pretty much the same transformation scheme back in '85, why not now (with far superior engineering)?

The release of the Walmart Exclusive Velocitron line is getting closer and closer. For those unaware, this is basically the replacement for the Netflix lines which were also exclusive to Walmart. While there was some connection to the show, many toys in the line were just ways to release more product that didn't even look like the show. And it gave us some really sought after figures like Bumblebee and Soundwave.

Well, now we have more info on the line. Below you will find all product codes along with how many are in a case and which mold it is RUMOURED to be based on. As with the Netflix line, all of these toys are based on a mainline mold BUT the range goes from straight redeco (like with Clampdown) to mostly new parts (like Cosmos). We thank JTPrime for the info regarding the product numbers. The listings are starting to be found on Walmart's website.

Tra Gen legacy velocitron deluxe Road Rocket X2: Based on the Legacy Arcee mold.
EAN: 5010994115456

Tra Gen legacy velocitron deluxe Burnout X2: Based on the Legacy Skids mold.
EAN: 5010994115449

Tra Gen legacy velocitron deluxe Clampdown X1: Based on one of the recent Sideswipe molds.
EAN: 5010994115432

Tra Gen legacy velocitron deluxe Cosmos X1: Based on the Kingdom Warpath mold.
EAN: 5010994115425

Tra Gen legacy velocitron deluxe Blurr X2: Either based on the Legacy Pointblank mold or a variation of the SS mold.
EAN: 5010994115418

Tra Gen Legacy Velocitron Voyager Override X2: This is Cybertron Override based on the SS Hot Rod mold.
Product Number: F5763

Tra Gen Legacy Velocitron Voyager Road Hauler X1: Based on Earthrise Grappel.
Product Number: F5762

So Override really is going to be CW Armada Megs-type garbage. Ugh... Why even smegging bother... And if they can't do Override justice, why even bother with the Velocitron branding.

At least Armada Blurr from Pointblank has promise. Those two have actual similarity to take advantage of.

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:If it's going to be voyager-sized then Hot Rod wouldn't work anyway, but Kingdom Rodimus might. Unless they do with override what they did with Hot Rod and pack a deluxe figure into a voyager box with a bunch of extra crap.

No one said voyager sized, which isnt really a thing anymore, it's all about price points. And all that confirmed here is the voyager price point. Also, it isn't the extra crap which gave Hot Rod his pricepoint, it was his parts count (complexity). The extra crap is just Hasbro giving you a visual cue to maybe help you come to terms with the price, even if it's not the biggest contributing factor.

There's no reasoning with him about this... He's built a "Classeses mustses be sizeses" wall in his head and no amount of logic will break it down.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:right now there is (sadly) a non-zero chance of it being a Toy Colors G1 Blurr instead (even though I cannot tell what difference in deco that would make),

Think something like the difference between Titans Return Blurr and Legends Blurr:

...oh, right.

Gross.

Yes, yes it is. Why someone thought doing him and Kup in their G1 toy colors was a good idea, I'll never know.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:we should all write in to tell them what a ridiculous mistake it is and that they should either backpedal and do Hot Shot - who that mold actually could pull off, making the idea of trying to force it to be Override even dumber - instead... or just scrap the line and make Hauler a Selects figure.

You understand that has zero chance of working right? There is no way Hasbro would scrap a line just based on a fan letter writing campaign. A decrease in sales is the only real way to get their attention. And even then, it took 2 years of the titans going to liquidation before they scaled back the production runs.

The hope was that a sufficient campaign would convince them there wouldn't be enough sales to bother with a separate line. In light of a more known plan, that's not gonna happen of course. But maybe we can convince them that crapverride won't sell and that they should name the line something else? I realize that's slim, but... Ugh...

Autobot N wrote:

Emerje wrote:If they turn Warpath into Cosmos that would upend all expectations for future retools. It would certainly make me believe Override can look unique while using the Hot Rod mold.

Emerje

IMO remold expectations were upended for me when they turned Alpha Trion into Broadside

This is true though I accidentally left out the word "exclusive". There was a time when getting an exclusive that was anything more than a new head and deco seemed incredibly unlikely, now we're getting entirely new molds even. We've come a long way.

Emerje

william-james88 wrote:Tra Gen legacy velocitron deluxe Cosmos X1: Based on the Kingdom Warpath mold.
EAN: 5010994115425

I'll be impressed if they actually manage to pull this off. Granted I've never handled Kingdom Warpath so I'm not familiar with the ins and outs of the mould, but making it into Cosmos would probably take an insane amount of retooling. And if they are going that route, I hope the same happens with Override. If she just ends up being Hot Rod with a new head sculpt, complete with all of Hot Rod's accessories and nothing original, then I'll skip her.

I have a nice little g1 and chug legends mini bot collection coming along. And although I really like some of them, I definitely would like to see quite a few of them done in proper deluxe scale like they did with huffer/pipes and warpath. Powerglide would definitely be next on my list and perhaps brawn.

Now cosmos, is definitely a good candidate for a scale update and it's hard to imagine how they could pull it off based on the warpath mould, feels like an error. However, you can see some similarities in the overall transformation - how the head pops up at the top, the turret possibly forming the top part of the ufo and how the legs and arms fold up... if they pull it off, kudos.

Legacy Point Blank? Have we seen him yet? He was my favourite Autobot Targetmaster. Such a funky design!

~ Grim

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So Override really is going to be CW Armada Megs-type garbage. Ugh... Why even smegging bother... And if they can't do Override justice, why even bother with the Velocitron branding.

At least Armada Blurr from Pointblank has promise. Those two have actual similarity to take advantage of.

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:If it's going to be voyager-sized then Hot Rod wouldn't work anyway, but Kingdom Rodimus might. Unless they do with override what they did with Hot Rod and pack a deluxe figure into a voyager box with a bunch of extra crap.

No one said voyager sized, which isnt really a thing anymore, it's all about price points. And all that confirmed here is the voyager price point. Also, it isn't the extra crap which gave Hot Rod his pricepoint, it was his parts count (complexity). The extra crap is just Hasbro giving you a visual cue to maybe help you come to terms with the price, even if it's not the biggest contributing factor.

There's no reasoning with him about this... He's built a "Classeses mustses be sizeses" wall in his head and no amount of logic will break it down.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:right now there is (sadly) a non-zero chance of it being a Toy Colors G1 Blurr instead (even though I cannot tell what difference in deco that would make),

Think something like the difference between Titans Return Blurr and Legends Blurr:

...oh, right.

Gross.

Yes, yes it is. Why someone thought doing him and Kup in their G1 toy colors was a good idea, I'll never know.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:we should all write in to tell them what a ridiculous mistake it is and that they should either backpedal and do Hot Shot - who that mold actually could pull off, making the idea of trying to force it to be Override even dumber - instead... or just scrap the line and make Hauler a Selects figure.

You understand that has zero chance of working right? There is no way Hasbro would scrap a line just based on a fan letter writing campaign. A decrease in sales is the only real way to get their attention. And even then, it took 2 years of the titans going to liquidation before they scaled back the production runs.

The hope was that a sufficient campaign would convince them there wouldn't be enough sales to bother with a separate line. In light of a more known plan, that's not gonna happen of course. But maybe we can convince them that crapverride won't sell and that they should name the line something else? I realize that's slim, but... Ugh...

Wow you really have zero clue how this stuff works do you? Writing campaigns? Try and get them to change the name of the line? You understand the packaging is already being printed like now or already has? That trademarks and copyrights have to be done for literally almost everything? Or that Walmart buys these exclusives for their retail and you can’t just pull one or any out of it out to put some where else due to legal tape all over them?

Writing campaign…these are toys

Also I wouldn’t take anyones writing campaign from someone that uses childish lingo like “smegging” or changes a characters name to include “crap” in it serious because they think the toy isn’t going to look good even though they haven’t seen it.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So Override really is going to be CW Armada Megs-type garbage. Ugh... Why even smegging bother... And if they can't do Override justice, why even bother with the Velocitron branding.

At least Armada Blurr from Pointblank has promise. Those two have actual similarity to take advantage of.
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No one said voyager sized, which isnt really a thing anymore, it's all about price points. And all that confirmed here is the voyager price point. Also, it isn't the extra crap which gave Hot Rod his pricepoint, it was his parts count (complexity). The extra crap is just Hasbro giving you a visual cue to maybe help you come to terms with the price, even if it's not the biggest contributing factor. There's no reasoning with him about this... He's built a "Classeses mustses be sizeses" wall in his head and no amount of logic will break it down.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:we should all write in to tell them what a ridiculous mistake it is and that they should either backpedal and do Hot Shot - who that mold actually could pull off, making the idea of trying to force it to be Override even dumber - instead... or just scrap the line and make Hauler a Selects figure.

You understand that has zero chance of working right? There is no way Hasbro would scrap a line just based on a fan letter writing campaign. A decrease in sales is the only real way to get their attention. And even then, it took 2 years of the titans going to liquidation before they scaled back the production runs.

The hope was that a sufficient campaign would convince them there wouldn't be enough sales to bother with a separate line. In light of a more known plan, that's not gonna happen of course. But maybe we can convince them that crapverride won't sell and that they should name the line something else? I realize that's slim, but... Ugh...

I thought I understood what you guys wanted, a UT-focused set of original molds rather than a retailer-exclusive line of mostly repaints, but I don't understand why renaming the line would do anything, or why the best way to get a different Override is for the repaint to shelf warm. I'm primarily a G1 collector, so I'm a bit spoiled, but as a general rule I would rather have a decent figure with a compromised likeness than no figure at all. TR Getaway was a poor stand-in for G1 Getaway or IDW Getaway, but at least he was a Getaway.

I would also like to see Override before passing judgement. Their alt- and bot-modes were very different, but MMC showed Hot Rod and Override could share a mold. Since Hot Rod ha a faux chest, there's a lot they could change in the deco to suggest Override's windscreen there. Ultimately we'll probably wind up with a new alt-mode and compromised design as with Legacy Bulkhead, but that could still make for a good toy.

I was hoping for a Pointblank-based Blurr rather than an SS86 one, but it sounds like that's not happening. One less figure to buy, I guess.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So Override really is going to be CW Armada Megs-type garbage. Ugh... Why even smegging bother... And if they can't do Override justice, why even bother with the Velocitron branding.

At least Armada Blurr from Pointblank has promise. Those two have actual similarity to take advantage of.

We've had some major retooling done on another walmart exclusive voyager, Soundwave, so it could happen here (not thinking it's likely though).
And Blurr can go either way. It's as likely that he is based on the SS mold rather than Pointblank. All these rumours are based on early mock up images or second hand impressions. I was once privy to an internal mock up image of a CW toy which I thought looked truly awful. But the final version looked different from the mock up, using different molds even. So mock ups arent confirmation of what's happening, they just tell us what Hasbro is basing themselves on for the proof of concept.

Emerje wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Emerje wrote:If they turn Warpath into Cosmos that would upend all expectations for future retools. It would certainly make me believe Override can look unique while using the Hot Rod mold.

Emerje

IMO remold expectations were upended for me when they turned Alpha Trion into Broadside

This is true though I accidentally left out the word "exclusive". There was a time when getting an exclusive that was anything more than a new head and deco seemed incredibly unlikely, now we're getting entirely new molds even. We've come a long way.

Emerje

Bumblebee and Soundwave from the Netflix line definitely changed the name of the game and Target's exclusive Origins Bee redefined it completely.
However, the first exclusive mold was given no fanfare in 2015:

Randomhero wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:senseless verbal diarrhea

Wow you really zero clue how this stuff works do you? Writing campaigns? Try and get them to change the name of the line? You understand the the packaging is already being printed like now or already has? That trademarks and copyrights have to be done for literally almost everything? Or that Walmart buys these exclusives for their retail and you can’t just pull one or any out of it out to put some where else due to legal tape all over them?

Writing campaign…these are toys

Also I wouldn’t take anyones writing campaign from someone that uses childish lingo like “smegging” or changes a characters name to include “crap” in their name serious because they think the toy isn’t going to look good even though they haven’t seen it.

He has zero clue about a lot of things, in Transformers and real life. Like you said, childish.

And yes, I'm also curious as to how we can get Cosmos from Warpath.

Big Grim wrote:Legacy Point Blank? Have we seen him yet? He was my favourite Autobot Targetmaster. Such a funky design!

~ Grim

Pointblank was one of the names listed among the Deluxes in the intial JTPrime leak for the whole Legacy product line. He's supposedly going to be in Wave 3 with Dead End, Crankcase, and an "Energon Monster" which many have speculated will be a repaint of one of the Kingdom Fossilizers. The popular speculation right now is that Velocitron Blurr is going to be a repaint of this new Pointblank as Armada Blurr, because the two share a few similarities (namely the shoulder pads and the front half of the vehicle mode being vaguely similar).

Will be interested to see them, maybe not interested in buying any of them tho XD roadhauler is the only want so far.

I could see Cosmos just being a repainted green origins Bee which would work as animated pre-waspinator for me at least. warpath not so much.

Taking the opportunity to remind everyone that Hasbro/Mark the designer said on a stream that they consider Kingdom Slammer to be a retool of ER Ironworks internally, even though it seems that they literally only share the thigh parts and part of a leg transformation. If a case that extreme falls under the umbrella of retool in Hasbro's eyes, Cosmos and Override could really look like ANYTHING. They may just take the transformation/engineering skeleton from Warpath and reuse it for Cosmos, since Cosmos and Warpath's original figures transformed pretty much the same minus Warpath's addition of the tank turret, while still being at least mostly new parts.

And yes I know those were both retail figures and not exclusives, but as others have already said, non-repaint exclusives are getting unprecedented levels of tooling these days.

Munkky wrote:

Big Grim wrote:Legacy Point Blank? Have we seen him yet? He was my favourite Autobot Targetmaster. Such a funky design!

~ Grim

Pointblank was one of the names listed among the Deluxes in the intial JTPrime leak for the whole Legacy product line. He's supposedly going to be in Wave 3 with Dead End, Crankcase, and an "Energon Monster" which many have speculated will be a repaint of one of the Kingdom Fossilizers. The popular speculation right now is that Velocitron Blurr is going to be a repaint of this new Pointblank as Armada Blurr, because the two share a few similarities (namely the shoulder pads and the front half of the vehicle mode being vaguely similar).

FYI, that speculation for Armada Blurr is solely due to one internal Hasbro Asia document using a pic of Armada Blurr when referring to Blurr. Now it's up to all of you to decide if every hasbro employee is savy enough to know exactly who armada Blurr is and by no means looked up Blurr online and picked a photo at random to populate an internal document that would never see the light of day.

While I've wanted a new Cosmos for some time I'm not sure if Warpath is the right mold for it, seems tome that Bumblebee would be due to size similarities as Warpath appears too tall. That said his construction probably is the closest to how Cosmos would transform. Guess we'll have to wait and see but I'll likely buy him anyway. The others don't interest me in the slightest.

That's a really fascinating idea, turning Warpaths skeleton into Cosmos! I'm still pretty darn happy with my Legends class Cosmo from a few years back, but a big Deluxe update might be neat Guess we'll see when he comes out

As for Overdrive, goin be honest with y'all, most of these Volocitron characters are not familiar too me, so the idea of a SS Hot Rod redeco with a different head isn't unappealing to me frankly, specially since I didn't pick him up originally

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:senseless verbal diarrhea

Wow you really zero clue how this stuff works do you? Writing campaigns? Try and get them to change the name of the line? You understand the the packaging is already being printed like now or already has? That trademarks and copyrights have to be done for literally almost everything? Or that Walmart buys these exclusives for their retail and you can’t just pull one or any out of it out to put some where else due to legal tape all over them?

Writing campaign…these are toys

Also I wouldn’t take anyones writing campaign from someone that uses childish lingo like “smegging” or changes a characters name to include “crap” in their name serious because they think the toy isn’t going to look good even though they haven’t seen it.

He has zero clue about a lot of things, in Transformers and real life. Like you said, childish.

And yes, I'm also curious as to how we can get Cosmos from Warpath.

After hearing this I’m totally on board for it. It could be like off-road bumblebee and B-127 where the altmode is flipped around but due to all the folding and where things go, I can see it.