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Ironhide516 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

bluecatcinema wrote:These guys all look amazing, especially Megatron.

And does anyone else find it funny that Cyclonus' description describes him as being reformatted from Bombshell/Skywarp? It seems they just can't make up their minds...

Yep, basically the design team saying, "Hey, we had no part in making the movie, don't ask us."

Uh-oh, looks like this may turn into a Frenzy / Rumble type debate

Anything to see fanboys/fangirls fighting. Pretty sure they would sell tickets if they could...

(business idea forming slowly in my mind now...yesssss...)

Maybe it's just the angle of the photo, but the T-Rex head on Megaron looks a little derpy to me.

All of these look amazing!

I don't know how many beasts I'll get, but I am a sucker for a good T Rex. And - FINALLY! A good Cyclonus! I mean, the deluxe Cyclonus mold is pretty good, but it really is just too small to work with anyone buy his contemporary Scourge and Galvatron molds. And Combiner Wars Cyclonus is Silverbolt. He just doesn't work very well as cyclonus. So this is very welcome.

Rodimus Knight wrote:Maybe it's just the angle of the photo, but the T-Rex head on Megaron looks a little derpy to me.

It's probably because of the angles he is shot at, and the more "realistic" approach they are taking.. Honestly I am loving that they are trying hard to make the beast wars figures look more like real animals as opposed to what we had before. I know many will be skipping them because trukk not monkey. But thats fine by me, means wont be so hard to find them.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

o.supreme wrote:. Cyclonus looks good. But just further cements my personal belief ( I know not all agree), that SS 86 were not just Kingdom toys "that couldn't fit". Cyclonus does not look like he would match the SS86 figures we've seen so far.

I know most fans wont mind (some even mix & match older Generations toys & Newer ones), but if I personally were trying to assemble the cast of TF:TM, across all these different lines would be quite frustrating at the lack of consistency in overall appearance.

I don't get that impression at all, and I don't have any concerns about consistency. Springer is the biggest outlier due to battle damage, but it doesn't bother me at all.

And really, this isn't specific to the animated movie cast, either. My seasons 1 and 2 cast is split between Prime Wars and WfC, but aside from a couple of odd Headmasters, I don't think there's anything that challenges them being displayed together. I would go a step further and say I'm much happier with the consistency in the last two trilogies than in, say, Classics and Universe, or the generic Generations and T30 stuff.

My G1 cast consists of toys from every classics line from as far back as Universe '08. As long as I have a representation of a character that recognizably resembles them, I consider that enough (so I'm not planning to replace any T30 guys, even though they aren't strictly G1 accurate).

Good stuff

Wow. That Megatron looks absolutely perfect!
Cyclonus looks somewhat unflattering, But I think that's just the angle.
The other two.. Ha. They already had reviews, And they weren't even formally revealed!
That Megatron though.. Words fail me. Just perfect!

-WonkoTheSane- wrote:Wow. That Megatron looks absolutely perfect!
Cyclonus looks somewhat unflattering, But I think that's just the angle.
The other two.. Ha. They already had reviews, And they weren't even formally revealed!
That Megatron though.. Words fail me. Just perfect!

The word your looking for:

YEEAASSSSSS

Immortal Starscream wrote:

-WonkoTheSane- wrote:Wow. That Megatron looks absolutely perfect!
Cyclonus looks somewhat unflattering, But I think that's just the angle.
The other two.. Ha. They already had reviews, And they weren't even formally revealed!
That Megatron though.. Words fail me. Just perfect!

The word your looking for:

YEEAASSSSSS

Yeah, That sums it up nicely.

Rodimus Knight wrote:Maybe it's just the angle of the photo, but the T-Rex head on Megaron looks a little derpy to me.

He just needs braces...

Cheetor's Beast Mode face looks.. strange. I can't quite put my finger on it, though. The Rattrap figure. it's weird. It looks like a straight upgrade to the '96 original. I don't really see any influence of the more recent Generations figure in his design.

Speaking of Generations, Cyclonus. As anyone who has seen them in the other Toy threads knows, I am very partial to the Universe Cyclonus mold. owning all eight redecos. This one, is just plain inferior. I don't get why his design has gone backwards in 12 years??

As for BW Megs. Putting aside I own MP-43, I don't like Season One Megatron. The bot mode aesthetic is too busy. That sadly, doesn't seem to have changed. However, I like the new more "realistic" Beast Mode, especially the head sculpt.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Speaking of Generations, Cyclonus. As anyone who has seen them in the other Toy threads knows, I am very partial to the Universe Cyclonus mold. owning all eight redecos. This one, is just plain inferior. I don't get why his design has gone backwards in 12 years??

I have all the redecos of him too and I must ask ... how is this one inferior?

The articulation looks like it matches AND it has wrists. The vehicle mode is more cohesive. I suppose you could prefer the bot mode overall.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Speaking of Generations, Cyclonus. As anyone who has seen them in the other Toy threads knows, I am very partial to the Universe Cyclonus mold. owning all eight redecos. This one, is just plain inferior. I don't get why his design has gone backwards in 12 years??

I have all the redecos of him too and I must ask ... how is this one inferior?

The articulation looks like it matches AND it has wrists. The vehicle mode is more cohesive. I suppose you could prefer the bot mode overall.

Let's see. First off, The Head sculpt. Proportions of the bot mode and jet mode. The kibble backpack that the Universe one does not have. Aside from better cockpit windows, the jet looks a lot worse too, due to the excessive lower leg. Wrist articulation is somewhat irrelevant, as that was due to the streamlined transformation. But what they could have done is use the universe mold as a base for developing future Cyclonus'. As they nailed it with the '08 figure.

Notimus Crime wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:

CYCLONUS, a herald of UNICRON, first appears in the 1986 movie when BOMBSHELL/SKYWARP were reformatted into the second-in-command of GALVATRON. 

So I guess this settles, once and for all, who Cyclonus really is. He's an amalgam of Skywarp AND Bombshell. Cool.

I do like that they know of the controversy there and didn't want to give a concrete answer, so they just go "everyone's right!". Cyclonus will always be Skywarp to me.

Skywarp was in the back. The Armada.

Plus, Skywarp was an idiot. Why Cyclonus has to be him is beyond me. In fact, any of them could be either one because they're completely different guys. Aside from Megatron they were all dead, anyway.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Speaking of Generations, Cyclonus. As anyone who has seen them in the other Toy threads knows, I am very partial to the Universe Cyclonus mold. owning all eight redecos. This one, is just plain inferior. I don't get why his design has gone backwards in 12 years??

I have all the redecos of him too and I must ask ... how is this one inferior?

The articulation looks like it matches AND it has wrists. The vehicle mode is more cohesive. I suppose you could prefer the bot mode overall.

Yeah, I don't understand it either. It's like preferring the 2006 Classics Starscream mold to the new Earthrise version. The original Deluxe sized figures were great for the time, but these new ones are scaled better, colored better, more on-model to the original cartoon and movie, and have MORE articulation than ever before. I agree the the changes are not as drastic as they have been for some other characters updated more recently, but superior is superior, no matter the quality gap.

OH MY GOD!! Beast Wars Megatron looks fantastic! So glad that he didn't get leaked before because this was an awesome surprise

Wolfman Jake wrote:but these new ones are scaled better, colored better, more on-model to the original cartoon and movie, and have MORE articulation than ever before.

All of which is completely arbitrary and irrelevant if the figure looks worse overall. compare and contrast. In the Universe bot mode, try and find the jet mode. Other than the wings, behind his arms (which is design accurate) you can't see it.

Also from the images, the only difference in their articulation is the wrists. Which only matters if the arms are poorly articulated, which they weren't.

Lastly, as for the "controversy". Thundercracker was in the foreground and became Scourge. Bombshell was in the same foreground position and became Cyclonus. Also, Sunbow Skywarp was as smart a brick. Cyclonus wasn't.

sol magnus wrote:In fact, any of them could be either one because they're completely different guys. Aside from Megatron they were all dead, anyway.

This^. I think it just matters to some fans who's Dead husks were made into Cyclonus & Scourge's bodies. It's just easiest to go Blue seeker= Blue Scourge, Black/Purple seeker= Purple Cyclonus.

Also for the record, I have never understood the "Armada" as an individual character argument. Armada is a plural noun, has never been meant to be singular. It was likely meant to mean that Cyclonus himself was the commander of all the Cyclonus-like bots & Sweeps that were created.

o.supreme wrote:Also for the record, I have never understood the "Armada" as an individual character argument. Armada is a plural noun, has never been meant to be singular. It was likely meant to mean that Cyclonus himself was the commander of all the Cyclonus-like bots & Sweeps that were created.

Indeed. When Unicron refers to "his armada" there are two of them onscreen. Later in the show ..more:

I always took the armada thing as "we can't be bothered to name these grunts, so we'll just call them as a group" so yeah, the term refers to the Fleet he leads

I always thought the "Armada" thing as just a joke, referring the fact there's only one other visible guy when Cyclonus is created and Unicron boasts "...and his armada!".

People just were making fun of that by calling the single guy there "His Armada".


With that said, as much as I like Universe Cyclonus, this new one is clearly better.

There's no way this:


is better than this:

Overcracker wrote:I always thought the "Armada" thing as just a joke, referring the fact there's only one other visible guy when Cyclonus is created and Unicron boasts "...and his armada!".

People just were making fun of that by calling the single guy there "His Armada".

TANGENT ALERT!

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Also for the record, I have never understood the "Armada" as an individual character argument. Armada is a plural noun, has never been meant to be singular. It was likely meant to mean that Cyclonus himself was the commander of all the Cyclonus-like bots & Sweeps that were created.

Indeed. When Unicron refers to "his armada" there are two of them onscreen. Later in the show ..more:

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So how many of them are destined to become Selects releases

These look good. I'm gonna pass on the beasts, but Cyclonus is a sure thing.