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Razorbeast88 wrote:I wonder if tigatron will be taller or not

Tigatron will be a separate mold Voyager class.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

Idk I thought this new toy looked pretty show accurate from the head
Wasn't it the original toy that had the metallic panther head?
I could've sworn I saw someone mention earlier that ravage in the show had Tigatrons Beast head as his robot head

I'm the one who said that. Ravage did have Tigatron's beast head in the show, but it was modified to have a metallic sheen instead of fur.

The original toy turned into a Transmetal cat, so logically this new toy ought to have done something similar, even without the metallic chrome paint. As is, the beast mode being organic and furry instead of mechanical makes it redundant with Shadow Panther's beast mode.

Ahhhhhh okay I understand what you meant now
I suppose since they were reusing cheetor they had to stick with the organic beast mode because of the beast legs, as opposed to more extensive retooling

A metallic head wouldve been more accurate but I don't mind this one so far
Quizas (perhaps) as someone mentioned earlier, Shadow Panther will hopefully have some grey and black to be recognizable as a leopard Panther rather than just a black cheetor. Time will tell I guess

On the bright side, ravage is taller than cheetor, and Shadow Panther by that token. I wonder if tigatron will be taller or not

Tigatron will be a Voyager Class toy, and likely taller the cheetor to keep with the scale guide (basically they weren't the same height on the show, the toys won't be either)

Yes Tigatron will definitely be taller than cheetor im just wondering by how much, since ravage is slightly taller than cheetor from the pictures

Sabrblade wrote:His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

Looked organic to me. In any case, both an organic cat or a metallic cat is an inaccurate alt mode to Ravage.

Razorbeast88 wrote:Man I NEED that Ravage. I just hope it isn't one of those blink and it's gone figures like centurion drone pack or Netflix bee
And if it's overpriced, fork it. Imma get it

And I'll have my very first G1 toy as well, since I've never officially had one. I think my cousins had G1 Bee. It'll be fitting for my first to be a character that is both G1 and Beast Wars (my two favorites) and a Soundwave minion, Soundwave being quite possibly my all-time favorite character if not at least top 3

Fingers crossed this toy gets redone into a Tigatron. How wonderful that would be
The og botcon figure was like $300-$500 on eBay by the time I found out about it

Same same same to all of this. I've never had a G1 toy, I think I might have gotten a knock off Blitzwing from a cousin when I was like, nine, a good twenty years after G1? But it's since vanished from my house mysteriously. And it didn't even have any stickers or accesories. So yeah, first proper G1 toy.

The reason they gave Ravage an organic alt-mode is to cut down on remolding. Removing all that fur detailing would have meant making a completely new mold.

Rtron wrote:The reason they gave Ravage an organic alt-mode is to cut down on remolding. Removing all that fur detailing would have meant making a completely new mold.

No one thought that that Ravage is simply following the current WFC trilogy esthetics, where the beast modes are more realistic than what they appeared in the show?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:The reason they gave Ravage an organic alt-mode is to cut down on remolding. Removing all that fur detailing would have meant making a completely new mold.

No one thought that that Ravage is simply following the current WFC trilogy esthetics, where the beast modes are more realistic than what they appeared in the show?

He didn't have a beast mode in the show. He had a jaguar head because he's Ravage, but his altmode was a casette. This is clearly just a budget issue.

Rtron wrote:He didn't have a beast mode in the show. He had a jaguar head because he's Ravage, but his altmode was a casette. This is clearly just a budget issue.

I don't think it's a budget issue. Because that Ravage changing into a giant cassette would make no sense. Especially with that round-all over action figure look. Show accuracy be damned.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:The reason they gave Ravage an organic alt-mode is to cut down on remolding. Removing all that fur detailing would have meant making a completely new mold.

No one thought that that Ravage is simply following the current WFC trilogy esthetics, where the beast modes are more realistic than what they appeared in the show?

Ravage didn't have a beast mode in the show.



The packaging even acknowledges this explicitly, indicating that this is supposed to be the body he had in the show, which was his inorganic Cybertronian body.

Rtron wrote:He didn't have a beast mode in the show. He had a jaguar head because he's Ravage, but his altmode was a casette. This is clearly just a budget issue.

How weird would it have been if Mainframe gave Ravage a "normal" face?

Rtron wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:The reason they gave Ravage an organic alt-mode is to cut down on remolding. Removing all that fur detailing would have meant making a completely new mold.

No one thought that that Ravage is simply following the current WFC trilogy esthetics, where the beast modes are more realistic than what they appeared in the show?

He didn't have a beast mode in the show. He had a jaguar head because he's Ravage, but his altmode was a casette. This is clearly just a budget issue.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there's no way in hell a BW Ravage will convert into a microcassette. Even ignoring scale, it'd end up somewhere between a normal cassette and a VHS cassette. It'd theoretically be possible for a completely inorganic robot to turn inside out and become a rectangle, but BW Ravage has organic curves.

I welcome BW Ravage turning into an organic jaguar, since that means he doesn't just look like him pretending to be a cat. I do agree with others that he makes Shadow Panther somewhat redundant. I wish Hasbro swapped out Shadow Panther for Nightprowler (who was planned for the Sideswipe two-pack)

All of this does leave me quite encouraged that the long abandoned Nightprowler might just see a release now.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:He didn't have a beast mode in the show. He had a jaguar head because he's Ravage, but his altmode was a casette. This is clearly just a budget issue.

I don't think it's a budget issue. Because that Ravage changing into a giant cassette would make no sense. Especially with that round-all over action figure look. Show accuracy be damned.

Of course they were never going to make him a cassette, that's a job-to-be for the worst masterpiece figure ever. But a transmetal jaguar would make more sense than an organic one, given the context of the show. However, that would have meant reusing absolutely no parts from Cheetor, because of the difference in textures.

Rtron wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:He didn't have a beast mode in the show. He had a jaguar head because he's Ravage, but his altmode was a casette. This is clearly just a budget issue.

I don't think it's a budget issue. Because that Ravage changing into a giant cassette would make no sense. Especially with that round-all over action figure look. Show accuracy be damned.

Of course they were never going to make him a cassette, that's a job-to-be for the worst masterpiece figure ever. But a transmetal jaguar would make more sense than an organic one, given the context of the show. However, that would have meant reusing absolutely no parts from Cheetor, because of the difference in textures.

A Transmetal beast would have been nice, but I think a full organic one is even better because it's as if Ravage would have been "fully evolved". It's also a form he never took before and it fits perfectly in the WFC trilogy.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:All of this does leave me quite encouraged that the long abandoned Nightprowler might just see a release now.

I hope so too. Be it Gen Selects, Golden Disk, or even Kingdom Wave 5 (since it'll be new figures padded with rereleases and redecos like Siege Wave 5).

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

Rtron wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:The reason they gave Ravage an organic alt-mode is to cut down on remolding. Removing all that fur detailing would have meant making a completely new mold.

No one thought that that Ravage is simply following the current WFC trilogy esthetics, where the beast modes are more realistic than what they appeared in the show?

He didn't have a beast mode in the show. He had a jaguar head because he's Ravage, but his altmode was a casette. This is clearly just a budget issue.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there's no way in hell a BW Ravage will convert into a microcassette. Even ignoring scale, it'd end up somewhere between a normal cassette and a VHS cassette. It'd theoretically be possible for a completely inorganic robot to turn inside out and become a rectangle, but BW Ravage has organic curves.

I welcome BW Ravage turning into an organic jaguar, since that means he doesn't just look like him pretending to be a cat. I do agree with others that he makes Shadow Panther somewhat redundant. I wish Hasbro swapped out Shadow Panther for Nightprowler (who was planned for the Sideswipe two-pack)

Oh, yeah, of course there's no way in hell they'll make a figure of him turn into a cassette, I was just making a point of why this was a budget-originated issue and not a show accuracy one.

Totally agree in the Shadow Panther thing. However, snow leopards are bulkier than cheetahs, so I'm still holding out hope that Nightprowler could still come out, but based on the Tigatron mold, which would be more appropriate for his altmode's species.

Rtron wrote:Totally agree in the Shadow Panther thing. However, snow leopards are bulkier than cheetahs, so I'm still holding out hope that Nightprowler could still come out, but based on the Tigatron mold, which would be more appropriate for his altmode's species.

That's my higher hope, it's a three tier thing for me:

1- Nightprowler is being made
2- He's a Tigatron retool so he's beefy
3- He's obtainable

Extra points if he comes with a Horrorcon redeco of Waspinator or Blackarachnia (or Tarantulas if he's moved forward to Wave 5). But the big question is: does he use the Tigatron head, or does he use a mutant mask (which had a unique deco as well)?

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

Rtron wrote:Totally agree in the Shadow Panther thing. However, snow leopards are bulkier than cheetahs, so I'm still holding out hope that Nightprowler could still come out, but based on the Tigatron mold, which would be more appropriate for his altmode's species.

That's my higher hope, it's a three tier thing for me:

1- Nightprowler is being made
2- He's a Tigatron retool so he's beefy
3- He's obtainable

Extra points if he comes with a Horrorcon redeco of Waspinator or Blackarachnia (or Tarantulas if he's moved forward to Wave 5). But the big question is: does he use the Tigatron head, or does he use a mutant mask (which had a unique deco as well)?

The mask would probably be more appropriate, given it was decoed in the unreleased figure. If we never get Nightprowler, maybe we'll get card-art Tigatron at least?

Man, it seems like the after that first image of Agent Ravage (or Tridredacus agent, whatever you like better) went up, the floodgates were open and not only do we have a bunch of in hand images from various online users like B127 and Uranus but we even have a video review from China. This toy uses the Cheetor mold as a base and gives it a whole new torso. The backdrop mimics the inside of the ship he's in at the end of Season 2 and you can stick G1 Ravage inside the dashboard to mimic the scene where Ravage himself turned into a cassette and inserted himself into the cockpit to play the sickest 90s riff you have ever heard!

We don't know which retailers will carry this toy yet to it's too soon to cry out for exclusives. Remember that the Refraktor set was not an exclusive after all.

Video review: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1kL411 ... 7962207641

By the way, I must say, it's pretty funny to read a bunch of comments online that really make it seem like people have no clue what a panther is. And they talk with such certainty about an animal that doesn't exist haha

FYI to anyone who may not know, black panthers are not an actual animal/species. There is no such thing as a species of big cat that has fully black fur.

Some Jaguars, and some Leopards (two different species of big cats from different parts of the world) can sometimes have black on their fur along with their spots. And that's it.

Aside from the fact that his feet are too small, I’m really digging this set! Especially as it includes G1 Ravage since I’ve been wanting one to replace my original loose-jointed G1 figure for a while. Just hope the price isn’t ridiculous, but considering how much retooling this took, I’m sure it’s not going to be cheap.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:NEVER used to be like this. We NEVER had this many exclusives before. This is a totally new beast.

For somebody that claims they've been in this hobby for a long time you sure do act like you're new to this and nobody appreciates your entitled attitude. Just because you missed out on something doesn't instantly mean it went to a scalper, it could have gone to a collector just as deserving as you. You not having the money to buy them when you want them is your problem and yours alone. You saw Soundwave, it was there, it isn't up to Walmart to set one aside just for you. And really, just wait 5 years or so, they'll make another Soundwave. And really, you can't complain about 2020 exclusives being hard to get, that was hard on everyone, it was unprecedented due to a number of factors still being felt now.

And we've always had a ton of exclusives every year, this is nothing new. If anything it is MUCH EASIER to get exclusives than ever before now that BotCon and TRU are out of the picture and SDCC exclusives are sold online plus most major exclusives can be imported from Hasbro Asia (where they're often sold at retail) for much less than scalper prices or easily bought from Takara Tomy in Japan.

Just for fun:
Every BotCon exclusive (85+ exclusive figures from 2000 to 2010)
Every SDCC exclusive (12 exclusives, including two statues, from 2005 to 2010, 2005 was given away at the show, the rest sold out online within an hour)
Every TRU exclusive (50+ exclusive releases, several as multi figure packs, from 2001 to 2010, no mass retail repacks)
Every Target exclusive (45+ exclusive releases, mostly multi figure packs, from 2000 to 2010, no mass retail repacks)
Every Walmart exclusive (45+ exclusive releases, mostly multi figure packs, from 2001 to 2010, no mass retail repacks)

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:And I'm pretty sure people who's hobby is fishing or golfing or sewing don't have to go through this s**t.

Seriously? You're going to compare recreational hobbies to collectible hobbies? Are you kidding me?

Emerje

Why are feet so weird in Kingdom? I noticed it most in Galvatron and the Cheetor mold in particular.

What a time to be alive as a beast wars fan! Of course we'll see if im singing the same tune once we know pricing and availability but man am I excited! His forearms are a little scrawny but he's great!

I love that the reviewer got excited about the upper body transformation (if I interpreted that correctly) and that he added "Wakanda forever" haha especially because I like to make other teams out of transformers characters and ravage would definitely be my Black Panther. And maybe shadow panther as Shuri

Razorbeast88 wrote:What a time to be alive as a beast wars fan! Of course we'll see if im singing the same tune once we know pricing and availability but man am I excited! His forearms are a little scrawny but he's great!

I love that the reviewer got excited about the upper body transformation (if I interpreted that correctly) and that he added "Wakanda forever" haha especially because I like to make other teams out of transformers characters and ravage would definitely be my Black Panther. And maybe shadow panther as Shuri

I’m excited by the upper body transformation too!
Watching the review, I’m liking the way the arms fold in to fill the gap, the way the head has the extra piece to fill out the neck, the nice waist swivel, and just the overall aesthetic. It’s quite obvious that the head is a Tigertron repaint from the review so it’s interesting that we’ll see the “repaint” version before the actual version.

Unlike those who wish for black magic to exist that will allow this Ravage to morph into the G1 cassette with a deluxe+ budget, I'm really exited for this set and that "natural" animal altmode. Hasbro really have knocked it out of the park to give use the cleanest bot AND panther modes.

Fingers crossed that this thing will be available everywhere and will not be 100$ or something at MSRP.