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Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:34 pm

Hi, I'm new to this site but I have been a transformers fan since the cartoon came out (I'm old school). I was wondering, from watching ROTF, what happened to the Matrix? Did it explode inside the weapon on top of the pyramid? Based on the cartoon, correct me if I'm wrong, what makes a Prime is the Matrix. If you fall into the guidelines and are worthy of carrying the matrix, you become a Prime. For example, Hot Rod turns into Rodimus Prime after placing the matrix from Optimus into his chest. So, are we to believe that Optimus does not, and has never had the Matrix? The movie seems to want us to focus on the power of being a "Prime" more than the being a Prime because you have the ability to carry the matrix? Lastly, the movie says that only a Prime can kill Prime, but Optimus was already killed by Megatron, he's not a Prime. What's the deal?

Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:02 pm

according to the novelization, prime was only put in stasis lock, he just needed something to rejeuvenate his spark so he'd b back to normal. but the movie didnt explain it well

News Credits: 1082 · Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:03 pm

I think we learned from Sam's 'dream' that you must earn the matrix--proven worthy to have it's power in your possession--, you cannot take it, so what the Fallen took was not going to work anyway, and Prime should still be bearing the essence of the matrix within him.

Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:10 am

matthewvilleme wrote:according to the novelization, prime was only put in stasis lock, he just needed something to rejeuvenate his spark so he'd b back to normal. but the movie didnt explain it well

I agree the movie didn't explain that well at all, either way, "stasis lock" is a fancy way of saying dead. The fallen elder decepticon instantly felt that Optimus was killed and so he descended back to the Earth to destroy it. If Optimus was on something like "standby mode" the movie didn't portray that and the fallen probably wouldn't have returned to Earth. For both Optimus and Megatron, it took something powerful, like the All Spark or Matrix to resurrect them...and if you need to be resurrected, your probably dead.

News Credits: 462 · Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:14 am

This is not the same Matix as the one from G1.

As for what happened to it, it was likely destroyed when Prime blasted the Harvester.

Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:19 am

tigertracks 24 wrote:I think we learned from Sam's 'dream' that you must earn the matrix--proven worthy to have it's power in your possession--, you cannot take it, so what the Fallen took was not going to work anyway, and Prime should still be bearing the essence of the matrix within him.

That's a lot of speculation. Now we're saying that the Matrix can leave an essence without having it? Well, if it is destroyed, hopefully the essence lasts long enough for an attack from someone like Unicron.

News Credits: 1082 · Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:58 am

Silverado_Prime wrote:
tigertracks 24 wrote:I think we learned from Sam's 'dream' that you must earn the matrix--proven worthy to have it's power in your possession--, you cannot take it, so what the Fallen took was not going to work anyway, and Prime should still be bearing the essence of the matrix within him.

That's a lot of speculation. Now we're saying that the Matrix can leave an essence without having it? Well, if it is destroyed, hopefully the essence lasts long enough for an attack from someone like Unicron.

The Prime's decide if you are worthy or not. They very blatantly said this to Sam. So the Fallen could not take the Matrix anyway, as who deemed if he was worthy.

The matrix was powerless dust until the Prime's decided Sam had had enough faith and worthiness, as well as an unselfish goal, so they deemed he was worthy of the ability to possess it's power, especially for the goal he intended...to help an descendant of the Primes defeat the Fallen Prime.

And isn't this all about speculation? One might also suspect that the Fallen could take the matrix because he was a Prime, but that's not explained, nor is it explained if a Prime can take it from a Prime, or if the Prime who last had it, has to decide if the successor is worthy, similar to G1's 80's Animated movie, where Optimus decided to give it to Magnus, but Magnus could not use it's power because he was not the worthy successor. Eventually, the Prime's/whoever in the matrix found the worthy one in Hot Rod.

In this case, the 3 remaining Prime's possessed it, and decided Sam/Optimus were worthy of the succession.

I mean, who really knows, I'm grasping here. Maybe the matrix is gone, destroyed when Prime destroyed the sun harvester. That's probably what Bay intended us to see, since there real is no higher thinking extrapolation involved with this movie.

Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:09 am

Im just figuring it got blown up since they seem be have deus ex/plot devices short lived in this series. If it survived then they could in theory revive any fallen autobot if enough of their remains were left. (Jetfire is likely too big of a mess to fix.) Im guessing current standings of the movies all plot devices are out of commision atm.

Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:42 am

The whole story of the Matrix wasn't explained well and left a lot to wonder about. I'm starting to think, why even hide the Matrix in the first place and why sacrifice yourself hiding it? It's not like anyone can use it anyway. Apparently the Matrix has a mind of it's own and chooses who the power should belong to.

Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:17 am

Silverado_Prime wrote:The whole story of the Matrix wasn't explained well and left a lot to wonder about. I'm starting to think, why even hide the Matrix in the first place and why sacrifice yourself hiding it? It's not like anyone can use it anyway. Apparently the Matrix has a mind of it's own and chooses who the power should belong to.

Heh like Primes just have suicidal tendencies haha. I mean did really take four of you to hide it. Not like it was big. It was definitely excessive, especially since they were only ones who could stop the Fallen.

Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:36 am

I have a feeling part 3 will clarify the matrix/ prime(s) significance.

News Credits: 1 · Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:45 am

Obiprime wrote:I have a feeling part 3 will clarify the matrix/ prime(s) significance.

it had better!!

Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:26 pm

The Fallen is a Prime so he can take the Matrix. That's why they needed to hide it from him. So, based on that, my belief is that it is either destroyed or lost.

News Credits: 11 · Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:01 pm

Its at hoover dam

Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:42 pm

what about the first movie? when Prime opens his chest a little when talking about the spark inside him, we see what totally looks like the animated version of the Matrix. but now this movie makes it a totally different thing...what a tease.

News Credits: 462 · Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:34 am

Bouncy X wrote:what about the first movie? when Prime opens his chest a little when talking about the spark inside him, we see what totally looks like the animated version of the Matrix. but now this movie makes it a totally different thing...what a tease.

Optimus never had the Matrix in his chest in either movie until the part of the second movie when Sam shoved it in him to revive him (but then The Fallen stole it back, so this Optimus Prime has held the Matrix in his chest for the shortest time out of all the other Optimus Primes).