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Burn wrote:Can you use money to upgrade your intelligence in the real world?

Thought not.

And yes I realise HMW isn't the real world, but again, that's giving one class of person an advantage over another.

People need to suck it up and earn xp the old fashioned way, by working for it instead of looking for easy ways out.

So what are schools and education for then? is it all for free?
As long as the amount of points bought could be restricted (1 point =100k, 2 points = 1 million.) it would seriously limit any potential exploit such a system has.

the young and restless would waste the € on being able to buy one point early on while the more mature players would only use it when they deem it necessary. Who has 1 Million € left on his bank here?

Once it was available, everyone would use it and this gives everyone the feeling they "bought" something good for their bot but the availability would negate any benefit one single user would have.

A good argument neliz, but its not happening.
Experience is the summary of everything you learn from the victories and defeats of war, and that can't be bought.

There may well be other stuff to spend your energon on, but I'm afraid XP won't be one of them.

Surely you can think of better stuff to spend it on?

Psychout wrote:Surely you can think of better stuff to spend it on?

Only thing I can think of is renaming my bot "Bruce Lee and Kremzeek" and see what happens when you waste 50k on a non-stat bot.


oh.. and porcelain armor!

oh..

and an "auto-fill" button where your bots get assigned to the first six missions available.

it would help for people who play on their mobile. it "works" in the arena, so why no in missions?

We've had upgrades for energon before they where called minicons. and it was a fiasco. and really seperated the have's form the have nots.

And the 'Smart' from the 'Autobots'.

With more sensible distribution and stat level capping at 10, they could still be good, but due to the nature of the game and players, they will always be doomed to failure.

if you made them exceedingly rare like have a 0.1% chance of one being found in a certain mission for each surviving TF.

and had them work for a small increase(x1.1 multiplyer at most) in each type of damage(ram, fists, weapons,etc.) maybe one for accuracy one for decreasing repair time, one for decreasing each type of damage, maybe one for a chace to steal a minicon when you kill a TF using a minicon.

and have them detoryed(if not stolen when the TF dies

and have them sellable for a relatively large amount of money(i'm thinking 50K) and maybe any that are sold are buyable for 100K(not really sure about this bit though

neliz wrote:So what are schools and education for then? is it all for free?

So you can walk into a school, slap some money down and have an education instantly dumped into your head can you?

Psychout said it perfectly.

Experience is the summary of everything you learn from the victories and defeats of war, and that can't be bought.

Plus when you look around, half the time a College/University education doesn't prepare you for situations you'll encounter in the work force, that's something you have to learn with time anyway.

And yeah yeah, they're robots blah blah blah. But regardless of cost, it's still going to increase the gap between those who play more often and earn more energon faster, and those who who can only play a few times a day.

And we don't need anything that'll make that gap any bigger.

Burn wrote:Can you use money to upgrade your intelligence in the real world?

Thought not.

And yes I realise HMW isn't the real world, but again, that's giving one class of person an advantage over another.

People need to suck it up and earn xp the old fashioned way, by working for it instead of looking for easy ways out.

I love the last part of that quote.

CR time for energon seems reasonable though - if somewhat limited (e.g. once per character per 12 hour period, or something similar); it could be used to help those who aren't on 24/7. Of course Tammuz's medical bay would also help this; perhaps medics can sell their services instead of gaining XP for the repairs? Either way, I would ask that something be considered so that players who have 12 hours a day on the game don't compound their advantage.

The minicon changes (boost existing stats through a multiplier not by adding numbers) would also work; although if they will be rewarded what's wrong with the old system of rewarding the faction with some inventory and keeping the costs ridiculously high? And, if the Bots blow it again, they blow it again. Hunting Decepticon Minicons were some of the best threads I participated in. But if they were a booster, I would see myself using them to gain that slight extra advantage to earn that last XP for the next upgrade.

Psychomud wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:

Hellraiser44 wrote:I think being able to purchase XP for our transformers would be great!!!

any takes on this?

Someone else brought this up a few pages back I believe. I think it was another Autobot player actually...

Bad idea because those with the most energon to spend are the ones with the most XP already, which would just make it easier for the haves to continue gaining.

Maybe he is suggesting we spend REAL money to buy XP - not spend energon for XP.

This would bring the site more money and maybe with the influx of dough we can get the code fixes/changes we need/want done.

I'm willing to donate some big bucks for XP.

In all reality though, I would like to be able to have the option to spend EXTRA energon to shorten the CR time.

Maybe pay 10 times the cost to shorten CR chamber time to half?

This way people eat up their extra energon quickly - as opposed to those who are patient/broke.

Then again make it VERY spendy to half the CR time like:
(10x(normal recharge cost)) x character level

Something that's expensive, for only a minor benefit - but could be used wisely to get a small advantage for any one of yer characters.

I've seen what happens when you use real money to buy things in a online game. The teens and those with good jobs who have a lot of cash to blow are the ones who do it. Mean while, those without the free cash to burn stagnate. The point of the game is the slog through missions and the arena earning XP.

Buying XP is about as fulfilling as running a macro to play the game for you. Sure, you can get the XP for little or no work, but what's the point of playing the game at that point.

Absolute Zero wrote:I've seen what happens when you use real money to buy things in a online game. The teens and those with good jobs who have a lot of cash to blow are the ones who do it. Mean while, those without the free cash to burn stagnate. The point of the game is the slog through missions and the arena earning XP.

And there's the point where the supposed-to-be-free games start to be cash-games, when there will be exclusive contents (mean: half of the game) that is only available to those who 'donate' cash.

i'd rather keep all the ads on this site than do the adventurequest/dragonquest/mechquest tactic of constant pop up asking if you want to upgrade your account for bonus crap.

maybe we should bribe good ol OS to get things done

Sorry, wasn't around, but to respond to Absolute Zero:

Absolute Zero wrote:How about kill quotes? When you stasis lock someone, it triggers a quote like "Good by head."

"HELLO BALLS!!!!" I love History of the World Part 1.

I like this idea of Kill Quotes. Can we start a topic for that?

I'd def go with "Apparently Incompetence is your greatest trait!"

wouldn't thay just say their mottoes?

Tammuz wrote:wouldn't thay just say their mottoes?

A motto isn't nessicarily the samething you say when you kill someone. My mottos not blaaaaaah, but I say that when I knife someone in CoD. Nor is it the jaws theme, which I say as I'm stalking people.

Burn wrote:Can you use money to upgrade your intelligence in the real world?

Sure you can.

Have you ever paid to goto a university? Even if someone goes to a college and flunks out - they are even marginally smarter than when they went in.

Thats just one example.

Many folks pay to learn a new trade, take a cooking class, buy books to read, all of these in effect raise one's intelligence. Marginaly - sometimes and only in a specific field - but acuiring knowledge is best through study. Studying is hard work - yes - but it is also NEVER FREE.

Aside from that - keep in mind, TFs are robots. Upgrades are part of the entire storyline. I can spend more money on my PC and upgrade my ram and motherboard. To earn energon *IS* doing the hard work portion of the game.

Psychomud wrote:

Burn wrote:Can you use money to upgrade your intelligence in the real world?

Sure you can.

Have you ever paid to goto a university? Even if someone goes to a college and flunks out - they are even marginally smarter than when they went in.

Thats just one example.

Many folks pay to learn a new trade, take a cooking class, buy books to read, all of these in effect raise one's intelligence. Marginaly - sometimes and only in a specific field - but acuiring knowledge is best through study. Studying is hard work - yes - but it is also NEVER FREE.

Aside from that - keep in mind, TFs are robots. Upgrades are part of the entire storyline. I can spend more money on my PC and upgrade my ram and motherboard. To earn energon *IS* doing the hard work portion of the game.

Education isn't instant.

Nor does it really make you smarter, since most of it is requrgitating something else someone else first thought of. Most people who go to college don't ever really get smarter. But this road would derail the thread into more of a philosphy discussion.

Upgrading your PC doesn't make it smarter. It makes it run faster, but it doesn't suddenly gain the ability to compose a sonnet. That's not a good comparison.

Energon is used, it's just not a primary componet of the game, and since energon is supposed to be fuel, why would you want to waste gas like that? Experience is much more valuable (as it is in the real world) and harder to earn. That's why it's used to gage when you can level up.

And something the proponents of this idea seem to not want grasp, or just don't understand, or maybe don't care is how horribly -buying- experience will unbalance the game. The people with the most XP also have the most energon.

Psychomud wrote:

Burn wrote:Can you use money to upgrade your intelligence in the real world?

Sure you can.

Have you ever paid to goto a university? Even if someone goes to a college and flunks out - they are even marginally smarter than when they went in.

Thats just one example.

Many folks pay to learn a new trade, take a cooking class, buy books to read, all of these in effect raise one's intelligence. Marginaly - sometimes and only in a specific field - but acuiring knowledge is best through study. Studying is hard work - yes - but it is also NEVER FREE.

Aside from the differencies of our countries -Here the studies are FREE as long as you're doing it good- :

Think about this: If you pay for studies and then go to a choma, you won't learn anything, despite you paid the price. Learning is rather everydays fight: You participate in the mission or study, and you have a good chance of earning experience.

Burn wrote:*rips off Dynamax's arm (with built in anti-Bruce Lee action) and beats Hellraiser44 senseless with it*

Bad idea! BAD!

Hellraiser44 removes Bruce Lee mask to reveal he is really CHUCK NORRIS and OBLITERATES burn and his stupid signature.

Absolute Zero wrote:

Hellraiser44 wrote:I think being able to purchase XP for our transformers would be great!!!

any takes on this?

Someone else brought this up a few pages back I believe. I think it was another Autobot player actually...

Bad idea because those with the most energon to spend are the ones with the most XP already, which would just make it easier for the haves to continue gaining.

AHHH verrrryyy good point senor very good point.

I would like a new feature that blocked Chuck Norris jokes from being on the site. They were never funny.

But anyways, I'd like to see to be able to filter the player rankings page by faction.

http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar/Player_Rankings.php

That page is what I'm referring to

a "/ignorenorrisjokes" is demanded on all sites

this helps lol


i would love another rankings page by faction.

Hellraiser44 wrote:

Burn wrote:*rips off Dynamax's arm (with built in anti-Bruce Lee action) and beats Hellraiser44 senseless with it*

Bad idea! BAD!

Hellraiser44 removes Bruce Lee mask to reveal he is really CHUCK NORRIS and OBLITERATES burn and his stupid signature.

To bad that Chuck Norris isn't the one you call to save the world. You call him to kick some low level criminals in the chest. When you need to absolutely kill every mofo in the building, you call Mr. Bruce Willis. Except no substitute.

ill see your bruce willis and raise you this

Why do people keep posting youtube links.

I'm on dailup!!!!

Absolute Zero wrote:Why do people keep posting youtube links.

I'm on dailup!!!!

lol get with the 21st century already lol