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Postby Briggs » Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:35 am

problemaddict76 wrote:Put it this way...would you rather watch his movie or would you rather watch the 1986 version with CGI effects?...and if u have any sense ur watching the 1986 story with the CGI effects!


Eh, I think I'd rather see cool CGI with a new story/continuity. I don't really need to watch the 86 story AGAIN. sure, cool cgi would be great, but it would be the same story, and I'm bored of that.

I'm much more excited about new designs, new continuity, new story, no matter how much you think it might suck, it's something different, and for those of us who were dissapointed with RID, Aramada, Energon, etc, then this is a fresh new idea for us.
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Re: Which Transformer movie was best?

Postby Coolyfett » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:25 pm

A-Fro wrote:Now that you've seen the rest, who's the best?

It's the king of all things funkadelic here with a question for y'all. Even though I think this is going to be a landslide, I gotta know... Now that everyone and they grandma saw the Transformers movie, which one was better? Transformers The Movie made in 1986 (I think) Or Michael Bay's Transformer movie. I know it's hard to compare the two but I gotta know...

P.S. This is the first time I've done this Im' kinda new...
So chill on my mystakes, ya dig?


FINALLY!! I had a feeling this topic may be on here. I would have to say TFM is better than TF1. I enjoyed both movies and I have watched both recently.

TFM had better voice actors then TF1

TF1 was longer then TFM

TFM Had more robots, TF1 had too many humans

TF1 was funny while TFM had some corny moments

TFM is a classic. TF1 still needs to collect some dust.

Newbies would understand TF1 better then TFM.

I hope TF2 and TF3 can top TFM.

I have a really good feeling about TF2.

Now I will read the rest of this post for what people are saying. Great topic.
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Postby Coolyfett » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:27 pm

Blackout wrote:
Jawnee wrote:They're different mediums so I don't think its fair to compare.


But we're comparing works of entertainment. :)

I really dislike the '86 movie. To me, it's unwatchable. Bay's movie is so much more superior, and at least at the end we didn't hear "And the greatest Decepticon of them all, Megatron, will return . . ." I always hated the Prime coming back line in the '86 movie.


I have the DVD I never heard the Prime coming back line. Im glad they removed that.
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Postby Coolyfett » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:31 pm

Poohy Ol' Negare wrote:Its also intention behind the different movies that will alter the opinions of the viewer. The cartoon version screams "TOY COMMERCIAL", whereas the 2007 one is a lot wider in its scope. I took a friend from work to it and she loved it, but half way through she asked "Is BB a bad guy? I'm pretty sure he was evil in the cartoons?" Followed quickly with the comment "Isn't megatron supposed to be a dinosaur?"

I liked the 86 version for different reasons, but Bay's work is just fantastic, I have to say I love that more.


ha ha You had to go through that too?? Ha ha ha I think its sexy when woman like TFs. I didnt mind answering questions for my lady friends.
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Postby Coolyfett » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:33 pm

*Elita_One* wrote:I like both. The music in the cartoon was crap though.


You are **** sick in the head!!! ha ha ha ha Instruments of Destruction still rocks HARD!!
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Postby Coolyfett » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:42 pm

Moonbase2 wrote:I'll never forgive the 86 movie for killing Prowl, Ratchet (I mean why? Why?), Ironhide (Why?), Wheeljack, Brawn, Starscream (WHY?) and Optimus Prime. Oh yeah...why? Just to sell new toys?!?! WTF! You can't just have these guys survive battle after battle then POOF! suddenly they can be killed so easily! Now, I'm not a hater of Hot Rod/Rodimus, but I'd rather have all of those other characters still alive. And Wheelie. WHEELIE!!! I'm sorry, I've gone on a crazy person's rant. I pretend the movie never happened. I read my IDW comics and revel in that these classic characters AREN'T DEAD!


Wheelie must be destroyed....No matter the cost!!
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Postby Coolyfett » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:51 pm

Autobobby1 wrote:Are you kidding me? Is it really a contest? The one that has the Transformers we know and love, the one TRUE Transformers movie that got the franchise right...

Is the 2007 movie.

'86 was a wreck. They killed off 95% of the characters we knew and loved just to sell the next batch of toys. Other than Cybertron and the robots, it was barely a TF movie.


95%?? Thats a bit high man. At least TFM had some Transformers in it. I am still looking for Starscream in TF1......
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Postby Coolyfett » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:53 pm

ganymede2010 wrote:Prime and Starscream don't die on this Movie. So this is by far the best movie!


lol lol lol Starscream really wasn't in TF1 ha ha ha. Maybe they will actually show him in TF2!!!
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Postby Coolyfett » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:05 pm

Auto Bot wrote:I've just finished watching TF 2007 for the 6th time.

It's sort of became quite boring now to see these S7 guys making a joke out of themselves. And they seem to take about half of the movie away.

This new movie has really a big impressive impact on the first 5 times i watched it. I still like the realistic design of the robots. But there's way too much drag about these S7 guys, too much unrelated conversations and interactions among the military guys (spanish thing, baby on webcam), very bad portrayal of sam's folks... everybody keeps on talking except for the real stars in the movie, the Transformers.

Not to mention a lot of bad script for the robots themselves.
Such as...
*Jazz just parking around when Bumblebee was badly hit and had to crawl.
*Prime saying "Autobots, roll out!", then every bots started to jump and hop around from the top of the white building. He could have just said "Autobots, move out!".
*Bumblebee, finally able to speak, seeks permission to stay behind with the boy. A minute later, all of the Autobots stayed behind with the boy anyway. What's the point of the permission? Just for empty dramatic effect.
*Bumblebee, badly hit, refused to use the power of Allspark, (which by the way, was sitting sparkling in his hand), to heal his own leg. Again, just for empty dramatic effect.
*Sam and Mikaela falling down from Prime's shoulder (under the bridge), and Prime swinging his feet down, purportedly to catch them, should have already delivered a death blow to the couple! If not, at least, massive injuries and broken ribs. What is Prime thinking? Imagine those large METAL feet, could easily kill fleshings on even moderate speed impact. Prime is a car/truck, and he doesn't know that? Miraculously, both human fell thru unharmed.
*S7 reinforcements coming, all Autobots must make a quick get away. And Prime chose to stay in bot mode, put Sam and Mikaela on his shoulders, then run and swing around like Tarzan? This scene makes no sense at all. Here's a chance to make good use of his DISGUISE, and he chose not to.
*Jazz uttering "you want a piece of me?" while in the clutches of Megatron. Every Autobot, except Prime, trembles at the sight of Megatron, and the SMALLEST of them all taunts him while being held in his claws? Who the hell wrote these scripts?
*Sam make a dash for the tall white building. Ironhide runs close behind to protect him. Why didn't Ironhide just transformed and gave Sam a quick ride? They'll arrive in seconds, and be much safer for Sam. Plus no chance of accidentally dropping the Allspark, or Ironhide stepping on Sam nor the crying lady. What's the use of being a kick-ass pickup truck, when you don't use it anyway at the most crucial moment?

Plus more and more... i could rumble on endlessly. Anyway, i guess you get the point.

Overall, TF 2007 has about only 30% of the movie really worth watching. This 30% is very good stuff. Unfortunately, dragged down by the rest of the 70% crap.

I hope Bay and the rest of the TF movie big shots will consider avoiding all these same pitfalls on Movie #2. Otherwise, hope of Movie #3 may just simple die, just like Cybertron.

Initially, i gave equal scores to both old and new movies.
Old being big on story and character development, new being winner of best ever graphics and effects.
But reevaluating the facts...
TF 1986 - 80% good stuff, 20% boring stuff
TF 2007 - 30% good stuff, 70% boring stuff

I'd say, TF 1986 seems to still have the edge.

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Good review man. I know there were things you liked about TF1 and I also agree. I don't know about the percentages, but the things you point out make sense.
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Postby Coolyfett » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:20 pm

problemaddict76 wrote:Put it this way...would you rather watch his movie or would you rather watch the 1986 version with CGI effects?...and if u have any sense ur watching the 1986 story with the CGI effects!


Hmmmm interesting. Lets say TF1 was "animated" instead of "live action" would it be as good?? And visa versa.

If TF1 and TFM were both animated. TFM would win.

If TF1 and TFM were both live action. TFM would win.

So 86 is better then 07.
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Postby Zeds » Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:56 pm

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Postby Coolyfett » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:39 pm

g1transformers wrote:Both were good for their time. The newest one though will go on to be more successful given the special effects. Unfair battle.


Of course Dreamworks and Paramont know how to promote.

Someone tell me this. Who owns Transformers the Movie now?? Is is SONY?? Because Rhino once owned it right?
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Postby Conceptron » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:44 pm

problemaddict76 wrote:the 1986 version is the by far the best!...well maybe not by far...basically what people are going to watch are the CGI effects...because there is no story in this movie...its just a mishmash of scenes to me... i felt like i was watching Armageddon again with a different cast and giant robots in it! Michael Bay has no depth in terms of story/character development even though he's not the writer, but since he's the director and ultimately decides everything he should really not make it like the real live cartoons he makes..His movies are more like cartoons as was TF2007 than the 1986 version!...

Put it this way...would you rather watch his movie or would you rather watch the 1986 version with CGI effects?...and if u have any sense ur watching the 1986 story with the CGI effects!


Great Post. Completely Agree.
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Postby Conceptron » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:48 pm

TFM over Bayformers...

TFM had a story and a plot that could be followed.

Bayformers had no story and a plot with far too many holes.

TFM had a better structure. A beginning, a middle and an end. It went at a good steady pace.

Bayformers did not really have a middle...it just began and before you knew it, there was the big battle in the mission city.

TFM DESTROYS Bayformers
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Postby Coolyfett » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:18 pm

Conceptron wrote:TFM over Bayformers...

TFM had a story and a plot that could be followed.

Bayformers had no story and a plot with far too many holes.

TFM had a better structure. A beginning, a middle and an end. It went at a good steady pace.

Bayformers did not really have a middle...it just began and before you knew it, there was the big battle in the mission city.

TFM DESTROYS Bayformers


See I look at it from a "time will tell" point of view. Do you all think TF1 will still be great in 20 years?? Some people don't even think TF1 is great NOW. I trust the problems/mistakes/concerns will be fixed in TF2. They now have something to work with.

TFM vs TF1.......its no contest TFM is a classic. TF1....time will tell, but I honest think it will be beat by TF2 and TF3.
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Postby REMINATOR » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:56 pm

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:D :D I gotta go with the 86 TFTM. The only thing I like about Bayformers is the CGI:
- Love the 86 Soundtrack *Prime jumped up the air and music Dare began....Rodimus opened the Matrix and the music You Got The Touch began! Awesome.
- The cartoon designs. They maybe be 2D and simple but they are awesome. The 2007 Bayformers, other than Prime and maybe Bumblebee and Jazz, the rest of the movie bots design are all crap!
- 1986 TFTM has characters developement interaction. Bayformers hardly has any of it...instead, more human interaction. TFs barely speak.
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Postby Night Raid » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:31 pm

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Both of them. The animated movie was a product of its time, a most excellent movie in the style of 1986. The CGI movie is also a product of its time, a most excellent movie in the style of 2007. To properly compare them, you have to take into account the fact that styles, interpretations and ways of doing things change over time, whether we want to or not.

And let's not forget the whole rose-colored glasses nostalgia sort of thing. The CGI movie had a lot of plot holes, you say. Oh, and G1 *DIDN'T*? It had plot holes big enough for Unicron to fly through! There were a whole bunch of animation errors in G1, so the actual production quality would have to rate fairly poorly. You guys are being, like hypocritical or something! You're criticizing the 2007 movie for errors that were present not only in the 1986 movie, but in the series itself. Doesn't that seem just a TEENY bit wrong to you? I mean, if you use these points to shoot down one movie, you're also shooting down the other movie because the same errors are present there too.
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Postby CJH » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:35 pm

It's very hard to decide.. because they both have their flaws and their qualities, but I have to say the 2007 one is better. As much as that rocks the boat more than likely :P
The way I see it, the 1986 movie killed the G1 series, effectively. I mean.. you kill of Prime, Megatron, Starscream (I know they come back one-way or another but still), and a load of other classic characters. You then take the robots completely out into space.
Now.. the film as a one off, fair enough, I like it because it does show more of the universe and Galvatron, Cyclonus are cool (Orson Welles as Unicron, pure gold!) but I didn't like series 3 and 4 afterwards, which tried to accommodate what the film left off with.
Ultimately, the 1986 film changed the original premise "Robots in Disguise" to... "Mode-changing Robots fight each other in space". Personally, I prefer the former.
And of course, those changes weren't necessary, it was all for marketting and bringing masses of more toys to buy, big time. It even said at the end of the film Prime would return, so it's obvious it was just to make more characters (aka toys). Designing a plot purely to do that is not right.
The 2007 film does justice to what Transformers were before all the space stuff started happening, the original concept, which I will always prefer.
Don't get me wrong though, I own the 1986 film and I will still watch it, but as far as I'm concerned it ended G1.
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Postby Coolyfett » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:44 pm

Night Raid wrote: You guys are being, like hypocritical or something! You're criticizing the 2007 movie for errors that were present not only in the 1986 movie, but in the series itself. Doesn't that seem just a TEENY bit wrong to you? I mean, if you use these points to shoot down one movie, you're also shooting down the other movie because the same errors are present there too.


Whooaaaaaaaaa Nally!!!! Hold on man you need to specify who you are referring to.

If I am include here my response:

I like TFM better than TF1...But that doesn't mean I don't like TF1. I just like TFM better.

If I am not included I have no response. Peace
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Postby Coolyfett » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:49 pm

CJH wrote:It's very hard to decide.. because they both have their flaws and their qualities, but I have to say the 2007 one is better. As much as that rocks the boat more than likely :P
The way I see it, the 1986 movie killed the G1 series, effectively. I mean.. you kill of Prime, Megatron, Starscream (I know they come back one-way or another but still), and a load of other classic characters. You then take the robots completely out into space.
Now.. the film as a one off, fair enough, I like it because it does show more of the universe and Galvatron, Cyclonus are cool (Orson Welles as Unicron, pure gold!) but I didn't like series 3 and 4 afterwards, which tried to accommodate what the film left off with.
Ultimately, the 1986 film changed the original premise "Robots in Disguise" to... "Mode-changing Robots fight each other in space". Personally, I prefer the former.
And of course, those changes weren't necessary, it was all for marketting and bringing masses of more toys to buy, big time. It even said at the end of the film Prime would return, so it's obvious it was just to make more characters (aka toys). Designing a plot purely to do that is not right.
The 2007 film does justice to what Transformers were before all the space stuff started happening, the original concept, which I will always prefer.
Don't get me wrong though, I own the 1986 film and I will still watch it, but as far as I'm concerned it ended G1.


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Postby CJH » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:55 pm

Coolyfett wrote:
CJH wrote:It's very hard to decide.. because they both have their flaws and their qualities, but I have to say the 2007 one is better. As much as that rocks the boat more than likely :P
The way I see it, the 1986 movie killed the G1 series, effectively. I mean.. you kill of Prime, Megatron, Starscream (I know they come back one-way or another but still), and a load of other classic characters. You then take the robots completely out into space.
Now.. the film as a one off, fair enough, I like it because it does show more of the universe and Galvatron, Cyclonus are cool (Orson Welles as Unicron, pure gold!) but I didn't like series 3 and 4 afterwards, which tried to accommodate what the film left off with.
Ultimately, the 1986 film changed the original premise "Robots in Disguise" to... "Mode-changing Robots fight each other in space". Personally, I prefer the former.
And of course, those changes weren't necessary, it was all for marketting and bringing masses of more toys to buy, big time. It even said at the end of the film Prime would return, so it's obvious it was just to make more characters (aka toys). Designing a plot purely to do that is not right.
The 2007 film does justice to what Transformers were before all the space stuff started happening, the original concept, which I will always prefer.
Don't get me wrong though, I own the 1986 film and I will still watch it, but as far as I'm concerned it ended G1.


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Postby Auto Bot » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:11 am

Conceptron wrote:
problemaddict76 wrote:the 1986 version is the by far the best!...well maybe not by far...basically what people are going to watch are the CGI effects...because there is no story in this movie...its just a mishmash of scenes to me... i felt like i was watching Armageddon again with a different cast and giant robots in it! Michael Bay has no depth in terms of story/character development even though he's not the writer, but since he's the director and ultimately decides everything he should really not make it like the real live cartoons he makes..His movies are more like cartoons as was TF2007 than the 1986 version!...

Put it this way...would you rather watch his movie or would you rather watch the 1986 version with CGI effects?...and if u have any sense ur watching the 1986 story with the CGI effects!


Great Post. Completely Agree.


1986 story plus 2007 Bay CGI will be the best!
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Postby Briggs » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:42 am

Yeah 86 was awesome! THey killed off a bunch of characters that we grew up on for 2 seasons previous and introduced a bunch of weird music and *streamlined* characters!

Anyways, can't compare the two, other then what YOU liked better, not what was better in a general cinematic sense, that's just silly. (even for a *film student, cough cough*)

Imagine the message boards of 86 if they all had internet. WHAT KIND OF MUSIC IS THAT?!?!?! WHY DID THEY KILL OFF ALL MY FAVORITE CHARACATERS!? A GIANT PLANET EATING ROBOT?! FLAMES ON A PRIME!?!?! LOLOLOL etc etc etc.

Oh p.s., i loved both, each appeals to part of my imagination and inner child. Will never compare the two against eachother.
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Postby Coolyfett » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:55 am

Briggs its ok to compare them. You know everyone is going to compare TF2 to TF1 right?
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Postby Coolyfett » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:47 pm

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