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Rodimus Prime wrote:And I don't appreciate your condescension. Just because you don't agree with others' view, you shouldn't simply dismiss them like they don't matter, especially when they make good points. You did the same thing to Burn.Ms. Trebuchette wrote:Well, my friend, you have been fighting a losing battle against canon since November 12, 1985.
But I appreciate your tenacity?
Va'al wrote:A good chunk of this type of discussion could be assuaged by establishing, from the very beginning of what comes next, the demographics and identities (gendered or genderless) of the characters.
Ms. Trebuchette wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:And I don't appreciate your condescension. Just because you don't agree with others' view, you shouldn't simply dismiss them like they don't matter, especially when they make good points. You did the same thing to Burn.Ms. Trebuchette wrote:Well, my friend, you have been fighting a losing battle against canon since November 12, 1985.
But I appreciate your tenacity?
No condensation was intended. If others take me contradicting their views with either facts and/or my opinions as anything other than healthy debating, I'm not exactly sure what to do about that.
The Lonely Cracker wrote:Getting back on track, I would like to see the Decepticons getting as much characterization as they do in the current IDWverse. None of the Bayformers "I'm evil just because" bullsh*t.
snavej wrote:Lothar Hex wrote:Moonshot wrote:
Honest question here, but isn't a trans lesbian just a cross-dressing straight guy?
JESUS.
Jesus might have been a cross-dressing straight lesbian guy: you never know!
Silverwing wrote:snavej wrote:Lothar Hex wrote:Moonshot wrote:
Honest question here, but isn't a trans lesbian just a cross-dressing straight guy?
JESUS.
Jesus might have been a cross-dressing straight lesbian guy: you never know!
Mods, I realize we're trying to get back on track, but are we really going to let comments like this slide? This isn't respectful at all. If we wish to facilitate civil discussion, we should not allow disparagement of anyone's faith or anything of the sort.
Va'al wrote:In terms of story proper, rather than characters, you prefer seeing something in medias res - starting maybe exactly slap bang in the middle of a battle, or a scene of any kind - or a gradual build/zoom/reveal of the stage, the players, and the situation of an eventual new narrative?
Perhaps try wording your arguments differently? It was really that last sentence that showed your tone. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but that's how it reads.Ms. Trebuchette wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:And I don't appreciate your condescension. Just because you don't agree with others' view, you shouldn't simply dismiss them like they don't matter, especially when they make good points. You did the same thing to Burn.Ms. Trebuchette wrote:Well, my friend, you have been fighting a losing battle against canon since November 12, 1985.
But I appreciate your tenacity?
No condensation was intended. If others take me contradicting their views with either facts and/or my opinions as anything other than healthy debating, I'm not exactly sure what to do about that.
Cyberstrike wrote:At this point we've had G1 (or G1 inspired) TF media for almost 20 years in one form or the other, and honestly I would love to see a NEW take on Beast Wars saga or a new take on the Unicron Trilogy and I'm not just talking about continuations or just a rehash of the cartoon shows, I'm talking brand new takes on those continuities now that would be cool, than yet another rehash of G1.
There is an old saying: "I can't miss you if you don't go away." So maybe Hasbro should put the G1 away for a few years (maybe 2-4 years) and let the demand for new G1 and/or G1 inspired media build again and then unleash it again.The Lonely Cracker wrote:Getting back on track, I would like to see the Decepticons getting as much characterization as they do in the current IDWverse. None of the Bayformers "I'm evil just because" bullsh*t.
Actually I would love to see just an evil for the sake of being evil version of Megatron again who was often more fun to read and watch than the morally compromised anti-hero version of Megatron which become tiresome and boring after a while.
Actually I miss villains who were just evil for the sake of being evil than being some morally complex or compromised anti-hero, which I have see it a MILLION times in every form of media and I'm getting sick of it.
There's a statement I never thought I'd read.Burn wrote:Megatron's biggest problem is he's only quasi-evil.
I like that idea, but I think the problem is that as long as they are in the story, they will be distracting from the main characters. I think if there will be a story with others as the central focus, Prime and Megatron shouldn't even be mentioned, because then the expectation their eventual return will overshadow the actual story.So as others have suggested, don't have Optimus Prime and Megatron be the major characters. Build it around lesser known characters.
And here's the kicker. Optimus Prime is missing, he and a number of his circle set out on a secret mission and haven't been heard from.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I like that idea, but I think the problem is that as long as they are in the story, they will be distracting from the main characters. I think if there will be a story with others as the central focus, Prime and Megatron shouldn't even be mentioned, because then the expectation their eventual return will overshadow the actual story.Burn wrote:So as others have suggested, don't have Optimus Prime and Megatron be the major characters. Build it around lesser known characters.
And here's the kicker. Optimus Prime is missing, he and a number of his circle set out on a secret mission and haven't been heard from.
ArmadaPrime wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:I like that idea, but I think the problem is that as long as they are in the story, they will be distracting from the main characters. I think if there will be a story with others as the central focus, Prime and Megatron shouldn't even be mentioned, because then the expectation their eventual return will overshadow the actual story.Burn wrote:So as others have suggested, don't have Optimus Prime and Megatron be the major characters. Build it around lesser known characters.
And here's the kicker. Optimus Prime is missing, he and a number of his circle set out on a secret mission and haven't been heard from.
How about we went the other way? Rather than diminishing them, deliberately elevate the leaders to such a status that they're removed from the picture. If we're going the route of war stories, most stories (factual and otherwise) about earth wars aren't about the leaders- nobody was expecting Chamberlain or Churchill to show up on the beaches in Saving Private Ryan. By having them so far removed from the stories being told, we could get chance for interesting stories about niche parts of the two sides (a la LSOTW), and even delve into some of the morality discussions with the idea of OP and Megs as these two armchair generals...
Exactly. Can you imagine Prime just sitting in a chair while Autobots are getting killed on a battlefield? Or Megatron doing the same while he could be a part of those killings?ZeroWolf wrote:While that could work, it would generate a lot of irate comments about "how they would never just sit out a battle".
Rodimus Prime wrote:Exactly. Can you imagine Prime just sitting in a chair while Autobots are getting killed on a battlefield? Or Megatron doing the same while he could be a part of those killings?ZeroWolf wrote:While that could work, it would generate a lot of irate comments about "how they would never just sit out a battle".
Not the characters as we know them now. But maybe in the new universe that's how they could be? It would be hard to watch/read both of them being so removed from actual battle. Does that make them cowards?
Rodimus Prime wrote:Exactly. Can you imagine Prime just sitting in a chair while Autobots are getting killed on a battlefield? Or Megatron doing the same while he could be a part of those killings?ZeroWolf wrote:While that could work, it would generate a lot of irate comments about "how they would never just sit out a battle".
Burn wrote:Megatron's biggest problem is he's only quasi-evil.
Hear me out ... IDW gave him purpose, he was oppressed, he hated the system, so he rose up, in doing so it changed him. He became a leader, but through it all he was fighting for his cause. Others who joined his cause did so because they just liked to kill things, cause havoc, or just had aggressive tendencies. Plus, there were others that were just more "evil".
G1 Cartoon Megatron was evil because he just wanted to rule. So yes, as our newly minted News Crew member brought up, that's kinda flat. His troops were cookie cutter troops.
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