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Jazz was cool and everything, but why bring him back?

There's more "Bring Jazz Back" threads than "Bring Back, Blackout", "Bring Back Megatron", and "Bring Back Bonecrusher" threads.

Sure, he busted out some slick fighting moves and he looked wicked, but what makes him more important than the dead 'Cons?

Bring back Brawl.

Look at how many humans and Autobots it took to bring him down.

ZeroZero wrote:There's more "Bring Jazz Back" threads than "Bring Back, Blackout", "Bring Back Megatron", and "Bring Back Bonecrusher" threads.

I expect Megatron to come back. He's been killed off just about as many times as Prime...or was it just reformatted?
Well, anyways...

Burn wrote:Bring back Brawl.

Look at how many humans and Autobots it took to bring him down.

I was just noticing that the other day when I was watching it. 3 Autobots and @least 3 or 4 humans. I may have to double check to see if any human raptors got a piece of him too. But man, he was a tough bird that wouldn't go down.

I have a feeling Jazz was the victim of 'pin' choosing. As in, they stuck a pin in the script and thought 'Yeah, he'll do!'

Not fair, and certainly badly handled in the film, but hey, that's life. And yes, of course they can bring him back if they want to. It's only fiction, after all.

Blackstreak wrote:

Burn wrote:Bring back Brawl.

Look at how many humans and Autobots it took to bring him down.

I was just noticing that the other day when I was watching it. 3 Autobots and @least 3 or 4 humans. I may have to double check to see if any human raptors got a piece of him too. But man, he was a tough bird that wouldn't go down.

4 real he truly kicked much ass and lived up to his name....devastator really was a one bot show....

I still don't get why he can't be repaired though. He was just ripped in half, while Bumblebee got his legs blow off, and Frenzy got his head cut off. Talk about inconsistancys. Jazz's spark is in his chest, so his upper torso should still be moving.

But its something I've learned to deal with. The movie is awesome but it has plot holes you can drive a MAC truck through!

Yeah, well Frenzy ain't comin' back. (Though I shouldn't say that. Stranger things have happened.) Humans lose limbs all the time too and don't die.
But very few (if any) people live through being split in half.

If they have gotten him immediate help they probably could have saved him, but they were in the middle of heated combat.
Jazz was thrown by Megatron and and I doubt that Ratchet had the cover or ability to get to him in time.
And if a Transformer loses their spark, they're gone.

But a lot of people think that the shard of the Allspark that Optimus took can bring his spark back.

Damolisher wrote:It;'s not a case of taking anything too seriously, it's just the fact I'm getting sick of the sudden lack of cerebral activity I'm noticing in a LOT of Transformers fans lately. Between robosex, people crushing on Transformers, people who make constant nonsensical topics, people claming "Duh, I don't think Transformers have genders!" even though we've been told from day one, practically, they do, and hence why Transformers are referred to by gender specific terms, such as he, and his, and people calling Jazz "Black," (He's Cybertronian, HELLO!) I'm getting quite frustrated, more than anything, to tell you the truth.

Question.......why do females on here have crushes on Starscream? ANd I also notice that people think they don't have genders when they obviously do. Weird stuff....


Now on the point of Jazz being black and all, I say he acts like it but hes not. Gosh I hate that the writers gave all that screen time to the humans and hardly any to the Transformers.

Swipestreaker wrote:

Damolisher wrote:It;'s not a case of taking anything too seriously, it's just the fact I'm getting sick of the sudden lack of cerebral activity I'm noticing in a LOT of Transformers fans lately. Between robosex, people crushing on Transformers, people who make constant nonsensical topics, people claming "Duh, I don't think Transformers have genders!" even though we've been told from day one, practically, they do, and hence why Transformers are referred to by gender specific terms, such as he, and his, and people calling Jazz "Black," (He's Cybertronian, HELLO!) I'm getting quite frustrated, more than anything, to tell you the truth.

Question.......why do females on here have crushes on Starscream? ANd I also notice that people think they don't have genders when they obviously do. Weird stuff....


Now on the point of Jazz being black and all, I say he acts like it but hes not. Gosh I hate that the writers gave all that screen time to the humans and hardly any to the Transformers.

Well, people have crushes on fictional characters mostly because they are cool or have interesting personalities.
I hate G1 Starscream because he's a sleezeball and has an ugly voice. But I love Armada Starscream because he was handsome, had an amazing story and character developement, was powerful and cool, etc, etc.

Now as to Jazz being "black".
He's not black. Optimus even told Sam why he was talking like that.

Jazz: What's crackin' 'lil bitches?
Sam: Where'd he learn to talk like that?
Optimus: We've learned earth languages though the World Wide Web.

So he's not "black".
He's just parroting humans that he's heard.

Cormaster628 wrote:I still don't get why he can't be repaired though. He was just ripped in half, while Bumblebee got his legs blow off, and Frenzy got his head cut off. Talk about inconsistancys. Jazz's spark is in his chest, so his upper torso should still be moving.

What, you think losing your legs and being torn in two is the same?

Let's be serious, he was TORN IN TWO. If that happened to a human, dead. So why not apply a bit of human phsyology to the TF's so we can relate to them better?

People, look past your blind Jazz loving and see how it benefits the story, and the greater story. Jazz dies, someone else is introduced in future movies.

And there's no proof that his spark was in his chest. It could have been in his groin. Plus early scripts had Megatron devouring his spark so had that been left in it would have made so much more sense and we wouldn't have all these "Wah wah wah they shouldn't have killed Jazz" threads popping up every two weeks.

Siren Prime wrote:

Swipestreaker wrote:

Damolisher wrote:It;'s not a case of taking anything too seriously, it's just the fact I'm getting sick of the sudden lack of cerebral activity I'm noticing in a LOT of Transformers fans lately. Between robosex, people crushing on Transformers, people who make constant nonsensical topics, people claming "Duh, I don't think Transformers have genders!" even though we've been told from day one, practically, they do, and hence why Transformers are referred to by gender specific terms, such as he, and his, and people calling Jazz "Black," (He's Cybertronian, HELLO!) I'm getting quite frustrated, more than anything, to tell you the truth.

Question.......why do females on here have crushes on Starscream? ANd I also notice that people think they don't have genders when they obviously do. Weird stuff....


Now on the point of Jazz being black and all, I say he acts like it but hes not. Gosh I hate that the writers gave all that screen time to the humans and hardly any to the Transformers.

Well, people have crushes on fictional characters mostly because they are cool or have interesting personalities.
I hate G1 Starscream because he's a sleezeball and has an ugly voice. But I love Armada Starscream because he was handsome, had an amazing story and character developement, was powerful and cool, etc, etc.

Now as to Jazz being "black".
He's not black. Optimus even told Sam why he was talking like that.

Jazz: What's crackin' 'lil bitches?
Sam: Where'd he learn to talk like that?
Optimus: We've learned earth languages though the World Wide Web.

So he's not "black".
He's just parroting humans that he's heard.

I'm assuming your a female then right?

Well I think Jazz was cool but I think they killed him
is because ,well hes small but cool but I wasnt such a Jazz fan im more of a Ironhide fan.


- Laxmus Prime -

Swipestreaker wrote:I'm assuming your a female then right?

She is..

Deadpool. wrote:

Swipestreaker wrote:I'm assuming your a female then right?

She is..

Swipestreaker wrote:

Damolisher wrote:It;'s not a case of taking anything too seriously, it's just the fact I'm getting sick of the sudden lack of cerebral activity I'm noticing in a LOT of Transformers fans lately. Between robosex, people crushing on Transformers, people who make constant nonsensical topics, people claming "Duh, I don't think Transformers have genders!" even though we've been told from day one, practically, they do, and hence why Transformers are referred to by gender specific terms, such as he, and his, and people calling Jazz "Black," (He's Cybertronian, HELLO!) I'm getting quite frustrated, more than anything, to tell you the truth.

Question.......why do females on here have crushes on Starscream? ANd I also notice that people think they don't have genders when they obviously do. Weird stuff....


Now on the point of Jazz being black and all, I say he acts like it but hes not. Gosh I hate that the writers gave all that screen time to the humans and hardly any to the Transformers.

Not all females have crushes are Starscream, y'know...(No offense, Siren Prime, I'm not saying it's wrong to have a crush on Screamer, I just don't. I loved Armada Screamer, too. But not as a crush. Well, actually, I dunno...I haven't seen Armada in a while...crap, off track!)

I have a crush on Jazz. >.> There, I said it. On the old Jazz more than the new, but, hey! It's Jazz!

And, as much as I hate Michael Bay for killing off Jazz, I can see the whole director's POV on killing Jazz, but he should have thought about the fan's reaction...it's a mini-1986 movie thing again. (Only this time, had Prime died, I think all of us on here would have grabbed our torches and pitchforks and gone to find Bay...) That's why I said mini...okay, more of a mini-mini movie thing, but still!

And, again, because it was brought up in here: Transformers. Have. Genders.

Okay, I'm done...

(Before anyone asks, I'm female.)

Dark Zarak wrote:Jazz, one of the best TF characters, was given the worst end of the stick ever for the movie.


In the movie, he was the token black guy, and a lame one at that. Two strikes against him. Third strike: He barely did anything. He's better off dead.


It sucks I know. I would have loved to have a cool Jazz character, and I would be rallying for that guy to come back.

Took the words right out of my mouth!

again, just because they dont kill any autobots doesnt mean there cant be more! you people dont listen! damn!

LOL. Jazz is the biggest wangsta ever. he's a robot that pretends to be black with a black voice. but seriously, he's black at heart, wangsta's will cry like a whiteboy if you put a gun to their head. not Jazz.
where did Devastator is black come from?

Jazz died because Bay wanted Jazz to become a better car in TF2.
its not as bad a reason for killing autobots then, replace them with toys that were crappier than the ones built before them.

Cormaster628 wrote:I still don't get why he can't be repaired though. He was just ripped in half, while Bumblebee got his legs blow off, and Frenzy got his head cut off. Talk about inconsistancys. Jazz's spark is in his chest, so his upper torso should still be moving.

But its something I've learned to deal with. The movie is awesome but it has plot holes you can drive a MAC truck through!

some people lose their legs and still live.
frenzy is just frickin weird.
but if you were shot at with missiles, had your body ripped in two and tossed off a building, would you live?

Siren Prime wrote:You know Damolisher, the more your act like a jerk, the less people will listen to you.

I agree.

Siren Prime wrote:
Bottom line with me though, I just hope Jazz comes back.

back in black?

There are 2 reasons.
either Bay wants a newer, better car for Jazz with more screentime

or

The autobots are getting back at Jazz for not dying with them in the 1986 movie.

Jazz was a one-dimensonal character who we never really cared about.

I'm perfectly happy with him dead, it illustrates how much of a bad-ass Megatron is.

Burn wrote:

Cormaster628 wrote:I still don't get why he can't be repaired though. He was just ripped in half, while Bumblebee got his legs blow off, and Frenzy got his head cut off. Talk about inconsistancys. Jazz's spark is in his chest, so his upper torso should still be moving.

What, you think losing your legs and being torn in two is the same?

Let's be serious, he was TORN IN TWO. If that happened to a human, dead. So why not apply a bit of human phsyology to the TF's so we can relate to them better?

People, look past your blind Jazz loving and see how it benefits the story, and the greater story. Jazz dies, someone else is introduced in future movies.

And there's no proof that his spark was in his chest. It could have been in his groin. Plus early scripts had Megatron devouring his spark so had that been left in it would have made so much more sense and we wouldn't have all these "Wah wah wah they shouldn't have killed Jazz" threads popping up every two weeks.

frenzy got his freaking head cut off yet he still lived! if a human's head got cut off they would be dead. they cant just roll their head and get a new body! if your gonna talk about relating human and tfs then look at ALL humans and tfs. not just jazz!

Just to set things straight. I didn't start this thread to cry about Jazz' death. I could care less that he died in the movie. My point was that you could get more emotional impact from a larger audience by killing a character that has been developed better. Jazz is hardly in the movie, so those who do like Jazz and complain about his death have very little to go on character-wise. Yeah he did some cool stuff in the movie, but that doesn't tell you much about him as a character. It would've had a greater impact if they killed off Bumblebee instead, or even killing Prime again. People feel a closer association with these characters because the story focuses on them in some way and when they die we miss their contribution to the story line.

So again to clarify, what has been done cannot be undone. I was simply trying to point out a potentially better way to handle the death of Jazz in the movie.