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T-Macksimus wrote:This is just a loose theory, but Sam's small piece of the Allspark may have been pretty much spent by the time they got around to the idea of reviving Prime with the Allspark power in the Matrix. The thing had already brought to life and armed every appliance in the Witwicky kitchen, transferred the bulk of its energies/experiences into Sams brain AND been used as a divining rod/jump start for Jetfire, who is no small Transformer. Considering how tiny that sliver was in comparison to the chunk the 'Cons stole I think it was good and toast after Jetfire.

As for the other possibilities like reviving Jazz with the larger piece, I think that falls under the classification of responsible use. Just because you can do something with unlimited power, that doesn't mean you should. Jazz was a soldier, he knew the risks and he fought valiantly but it's just a sad reality that in war people die and that message would have been lost if Prime had "cheated" and brought Jazz back. The emotional impact would have been dulled and I think it was necessary to have that in the film. Same general idea with 'Bees legs. The things worth having, worth fighting for, are not won without sacrifice and they aren't gained through short-cuts. Nothing worthwhile ever is.

Exellent points! You know, the more i read well thought out post like yours T-Macksimus, the less pot holes i realize the movie has, and the more "plot" it really has. The more i think about it, alot of it really does make sence once you start fitting all the pieces toeghter. Maybe that was bay and companies whole point from the begining. Maybe this movie was made more for the fans than we've come to first realize...

Thanks. As you may have already gathered from my post in the "Soundwave" thread...
*Warning: I'm about to up the 'Cheeze' factor to 11 *

..."There's more to me than meets the eye!"

I would be neglecting my duties if I were to leave your last post unrecognized for it's profuond statement,5150 Cruiser...

5150 Cruiser wrote:... Maybe that was bay and companies whole point from the begining. Maybe this movie was made more for the fans than we've come to first realize...

This is why I come across as a hard-ass with folks at times. Even tho RotF was flying at us at break-neck speed at times there were still moments where a phrase or an action, however fast, jumped out at me. Things connected on a personal level, experiences that I had in my own life, feelings, emotions, situations however briefly represented that I connected with that made the movie more than just a show. It made it an experience. Even if it was in the midst of giant robots battling there was an unmistakable "human" element that I'm sure most folks missed at the very core because so many people are all about the "action". I'm not saying that the 'whys and wherfores' of the action need to be overanalyzed, that would just kill the experience. I'm just pushing for folks to at least open themselves enough to acknowledging that the 'whys and wherefores' are there. They can explore them at their leisure if they wish but to ignore them entirely is to close ones own mind to everything around them and that is what I see so much of in the debates on here. Most folks mistake this for having to actually think on an emotional level. It's more about being able to "feel" on a cerebral level. Hard to explain, harder to wrap ones brain around.
It's not a matter of trying to read something into a movie that may or may not be there, it's just recognizing, sometimes in a split second, something that IS there and acknowledging it's impact on YOU and then moving to the next instance.
There really is a lot more to both these movies for us fans than what most folks realize. The trick is being able to close your eyes and see it from a totally different perspective.


I'll make a Jedi out of one of you yet!

T-Macksimus wrote:I would be neglecting my duties if I were to leave your last post unrecognized for it's profuond statement,5150 Cruiser...

5150 Cruiser wrote:... Maybe that was bay and companies whole point from the begining. Maybe this movie was made more for the fans than we've come to first realize...

This is why I come across as a hard-ass with folks at times. Even tho RotF was flying at us at break-neck speed at times there were still moments where a phrase or an action, however fast, jumped out at me. Things connected on a personal level, experiences that I had in my own life, feelings, emotions, situations however briefly represented that I connected with that made the movie more than just a show. It made it an experience. Even if it was in the midst of giant robots battling there was an unmistakable "human" element that I'm sure most folks missed at the very core because so many people are all about the "action". I'm not saying that the 'whys and wherfores' of the action need to be overanalyzed, that would just kill the experience. I'm just pushing for folks to at least open themselves enough to acknowledging that the 'whys and wherefores' are there. They can explore them at their leisure if they wish but to ignore them entirely is to close ones own mind to everything around them and that is what I see so much of in the debates on here. Most folks mistake this for having to actually think on an emotional level. It's more about being able to "feel" on a cerebral level. Hard to explain, harder to wrap ones brain around.
It's not a matter of trying to read something into a movie that may or may not be there, it's just recognizing, sometimes in a split second, something that IS there and acknowledging it's impact on YOU and then moving to the next instance.
There really is a lot more to both these movies for us fans than what most folks realize. The trick is being able to close your eyes and see it from a totally different perspective.


I'll make a Jedi out of one of you yet!

Preach brotha, Preach!!!

I might just reffer to you as "Master Jedi" from this point on!

Star_ling wrote:Okay so I found this article on yahoo about tf2 and thought you guys might like it.

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-tra ... tions.html

some of the plotholes are answerable, some I hadn't noticed, some are funny.

Well... Go crazy. Posting from iPhone so I'm being brief.

my opinion ... SO WHAT.

DEVASTATOR187 wrote:Alot of these Are easy to answer but the one thing that stands out in my mind is why bumblebees voice isn't fixed because they definatley fixed it at the end of the first.

And also if this hasn't been answered already but Sam needed the matrix of leadership to revive optimus because he's a descendant of the prime and megatron just need the alspark shard because he is not.

the aliance prequel explains this. . got hit by starscream in the throat. . trashing his voice processor again. . .

Didn't Sam's piece of the allspark wake Jetfire up?

Or am I the only one to notice that

I had a major issue with the Transformers cover up. A large majority of downtown Los Angeles saw the fight between the Autobots and Decepticons. I'm sorry, but that is a huge gaping plot hole that wasn't explained.

Tigerblade wrote:Didn't Sam's piece of the allspark wake Jetfire up?

Or am I the only one to notice that

I brought that one up earlier. Long post so most folks probably got bored and skipped it even tho it had good stuff in it. (of course, I may be a bit biased)

It is a flippin movie..
We are supposed to go see it and suspend reality to escape reality for a few short hours..

So critical...

T-Macksimus wrote:

Tigerblade wrote:Didn't Sam's piece of the allspark wake Jetfire up?

Or am I the only one to notice that

I brought that one up earlier. Long post so most folks probably got bored and skipped it even tho it had good stuff in it. (of course, I may be a bit biased)

Jetfire never really died though. Plus he still had a decepticon body (insignia and all). But its not like the movie writers actually thought of everything we're thinking up no, so its all speculation lol!

As for the Allspark making evil bots, the writers addressed this on a message board Q&A after the first movie. They said all of earth's machines were reversed engineered by Megatron so naturally they turn evil when they come to life

Galvatron628 wrote:As for the Allspark making evil bots, the writers addressed this on a message board Q&A after the first movie. They said all of earth's machines were reversed engineered by Megatron so naturally they turn evil when they come to life

I KNEW IT! Everbody else thought I was nuts but I KNEW that explained my cars! Now I feel vindicated.
That also means I would have been totally justified shooting that Ford I picked up 5 years ago. I knew that damn thing was evil.

Galvatron628 wrote:As for the Allspark making evil bots, the writers addressed this on a message board Q&A after the first movie. They said all of earth's machines were reversed engineered by Megatron so naturally they turn evil when they come to life

They say that, but that's a weak, lazy explanation ... I am much more willing to accept what was said here

viewtopic.php?f=44&t=53385

That actually is a VERY weak,lazy explanation.
"Many of the technolgical advancements of the 20th century were reverse engineered from NBE-1." That sounds pretty close without having to consult the DVD. Megatron didn't do the building or programming and you can't 'engineer' evil into the designs, you can only work off of technical schematics.

So the writers of the movie, during a Q&A session, actually could not keep their own facts straight even though they wrote them and presented them to the entire world-wide movie viewing audience??

You'll have to excuse me while I go laugh so hard I pee myself...

Autobobby1 wrote:3) I'm guessing that all of the Transformers give off huge amounts of energy and radiation, since Simmons said Frenzy's two-year-old, deactivated head was still radioactive. And they might not have used sonars; those ships were assigned to guard the Decepticon remains, surely they had specialized equipment.

My thought as to why there were 6 after megs was rebuilt and the one killed is that perhaps the doctor did not go back into ravage, going down he was in ravages chest, but he may have surfaced on his own. making up the 6th blip.

i thought 5 constructicons + 1 Megatron = 6.

I'm pissed at the yahoo plotholes post --I logged in and wrote for 25 min. answering all the questions and I went back to look later, which took me another 1/2 hour, and I was cut off after 3 sentences. Wth?!!? So BS!!