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Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target

Transformers News: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target

Thursday, September 29th, 2022 12:09PM CDT

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The Buzzworthy Bumblebee Energon Igniter 2 pack with Bumblebee and Optimus sporting their alt modes from the Rise of the Beasts was spotted at Target yesterday. This 2 pack no longer has "Rise of the Beasts" on their packaging but instead "Transformers Bumblebee" which is the toyline where these toys first appeared, even though that alt mode for Optimus was not the one seen in the Bumblebee movie. This particular sighting comes from Vector Oracle who posted on TFW2005 and the toys were found in Albany, California.

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Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2145854)
Posted by DeathReviews on September 30th, 2022 @ 8:03am CDT
Wow. That has got to be one of THE most shoplifter-friendly packages I've ever seen. All you need is a nail clipper - snip those threads, and boom - you can make off with the goods no problem.

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Posted by Emerje on September 30th, 2022 @ 8:07am CDT
DeathReviews wrote:Wow. That has got to be one of THE most shoplifter-friendly packages I've ever seen. All you need is a nail clipper - snip those threads, and boom - you can make off with the goods no problem.

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Who would want to and would Target even care that much?

Emerje
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 30th, 2022 @ 8:09am CDT
Emerje wrote:
DeathReviews wrote:Wow. That has got to be one of THE most shoplifter-friendly packages I've ever seen. All you need is a nail clipper - snip those threads, and boom - you can make off with the goods no problem.

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Who would want to and would Target even care that much?

Emerje

Not to mention, Cyberverse Ultras have been packaged like that from the start and as far as I have heard, never had an issue
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 30th, 2022 @ 8:19am CDT
What I'd do is buy them, then toy-swap them with a banana or something and see if the return would work. :KREMZEEK:
Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147055)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on October 13th, 2022 @ 3:57pm CDT
Out of absolutely nowhere, we have pics of SS Hatchet and (I guess Legacy? maybe SS86) Earth Mode Hound, both are supposed to be coming to Buzzworthy!

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Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147059)
Posted by Overcracker on October 13th, 2022 @ 4:44pm CDT
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Out of absolutely nowhere, we have pics of SS Hatchet and (I guess Legacy?) Earth Mode Hound, both are supposed to be coming to Buzzworthy!

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Hound looks pretty nice. No real need to Hatchet, but if the vehicle mode looks good enough I may be swayed.
Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147060)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on October 13th, 2022 @ 4:47pm CDT
Overcracker wrote:Hound looks pretty nice. No real need to Hatchet, but if the vehicle mode looks good enough I may be swayed.

While the internal parts appear to be all-new, it looks like the vehicle shell components are all reused from Crowbar, so he should look very similar to this (without the dreads hanging out of the back)
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Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147062)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on October 13th, 2022 @ 5:20pm CDT
I'm kinda split on that Hound. The robot mode makes him look very simple, but the parts look like his Jeep mode will be good. At the same time, I really like Siege Hound.
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Posted by sol magnus on October 13th, 2022 @ 5:58pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm kinda split on that Hound. The robot mode makes him look very simple, but the parts look like his Jeep mode will be good. At the same time, I really like Siege Hound.


He's great. Just what I wanted.

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Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147068)
Posted by william-james88 on October 13th, 2022 @ 6:21pm CDT
Prepare for lots of Siege Hounds making their way to e-bay. Out of nowhere, these two images below popped up, and we have no original source at the moment. We see an Earth mode Hound based on the Siege Hound toy, with G1 colours and remolding, as well as DOTM Hatchet, which would complete our trio of Dreads from DOTM. While neither are straight redecos, they are said to both be part of the Buzzworthy Bumblebee line. We tend to know non exclusives early in advance, and the fact that these are exclusives is why we had not heard of them coming. They are in the next wave of movie deluxes released in the Target exclusive line.

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Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147069)
Posted by Overcracker on October 13th, 2022 @ 6:41pm CDT
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:
Overcracker wrote:Hound looks pretty nice. No real need to Hatchet, but if the vehicle mode looks good enough I may be swayed.

While the internal parts appear to be all-new, it looks like the vehicle shell components are all reused from Crowbar, so he should look very similar to this (without the dreads hanging out of the back)
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Thanks.
Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147070)
Posted by Nemesis Primal on October 13th, 2022 @ 6:43pm CDT
Slap a coat of browns on that Hound and we've presumably got our Legacy Detritus.

Neither of these are for me, but I know they've been heavily asked after by the fandom as a whole, so good to see they exist.
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Posted by chuckdawg1999 on October 13th, 2022 @ 7:03pm CDT
I hope that Hatchet holds together better than Crowbar. If that Hound looks half as good in hand I seriously doubt I'll buy another Masterpiece.
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Posted by Tracytron54321 on October 13th, 2022 @ 7:13pm CDT
Don't care about the dread but Hound looks good, though I don't like how little molded detail is on it and how soft it is. Makes me scared that CHUG is going to go into the overly cartoony aesthetic that masterpiece went back in 2016.

Same with the colour they used for the thighs, abdomen, winch, neck and face instead of grey or silver.

I've been worried about this since the reveal of Legacy Kickback (Specifically the shape of his thighs) and noticed it with some of the Kingdom figures, and more recently some SS86 figures, namely Perceptor and the voyager van mold.
Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147075)
Posted by DeathReviews on October 13th, 2022 @ 8:05pm CDT
I knew I skipped out on Siege Hound for a reason....
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Posted by william-james88 on October 13th, 2022 @ 8:13pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm kinda split on that Hound. The robot mode makes him look very simple, but the parts look like his Jeep mode will be good. At the same time, I really like Siege Hound.


While I get what you mean by being simple looking, it looks as I expected and what I assumed many wanted this release to look like.
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Posted by Emerje on October 13th, 2022 @ 8:24pm CDT
Nemesis Primal wrote:Slap a coat of browns on that Hound and we've presumably got our Legacy Detritus.

I wonder about that. They seem to be going modular with all of the Junkions in Legacy this time around so I have my doubts about Detritus being a Hound repaint, I think he's more likely to be a retool of Scraphook. Maybe we'll get the repaint in Selects.

Emerje
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Posted by Cyber Bishop on October 13th, 2022 @ 8:27pm CDT
OOOH.. I love that Hound.. It just might take the place of my generations Hound..
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Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on October 13th, 2022 @ 8:31pm CDT
EARTH MODE HOUND! UNEXPECTED AND ALSO UNEXPECTEDLY PERFECT!
Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147081)
Posted by Emerje on October 13th, 2022 @ 8:39pm CDT
Just me?

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Probably.

Emerje
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Posted by william-james88 on October 13th, 2022 @ 8:51pm CDT
Emerje wrote:Just me?

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Probably.

Emerje


I don't see it, BUT I have now noticed that Hatchet isn't a new mold. It's a retool if the same dreadbot mold we've gotten since TLK
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Posted by Nemesis Primal on October 13th, 2022 @ 9:03pm CDT
Emerje wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:Slap a coat of browns on that Hound and we've presumably got our Legacy Detritus.

I wonder about that. They seem to be going modular with all of the Junkions in Legacy this time around so I have my doubts about Detritus being a Hound repaint, I think he's more likely to be a retool of Scraphook. Maybe we'll get the repaint in Selects.

Emerje
I...don't understand this line of thinking, this goes against every precedent set up until now. For the entirety of WFC, the modular characters skipped a late wave (which would be when Detritus hits) and they didn't do repaints/retools in the retail lineups (unless you count Slammer sharing literally 2 parts with Ironworks, which doesn't seem like it should count), so far we don't actually know that every Junkion will be modular because of that Voyager listing, and it would just be an inaccurate Detritus for the sake of including a gimmick he never had, which the design team hasn't been doing with G1 characters since WFC started (except for the Powerdashers because otherwise why would they even get made). Isn't it more logical to assume that Detritus is going to actually look like Detritus?
Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147087)
Posted by Sowndwave76 on October 13th, 2022 @ 9:25pm CDT
I’m getting that Hound for sure.

Another Siege figure I’m glad I skipped, & now my Henkei version will definitely remained sealed.
Even though I’m seeing hollow bits, it appears there have been some efforts made to make them smaller.
Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147088)
Posted by TulioDude on October 13th, 2022 @ 9:46pm CDT
Need more pics, but they are looking good!

Day 1017 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147089)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 13th, 2022 @ 10:06pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Image


Those unsightly panels on his back ruins it. Like a dog carrying plywood sheets.

Hatchet deserved his own mold and to be at least a "voyager". This would have given him some extra transformation steps to make those panels disappear.
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Posted by Wolfman Jake on October 13th, 2022 @ 11:37pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Image


I am so happy with this!
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Posted by o.supreme on October 14th, 2022 @ 12:25am CDT
I don't have strong feelings on Hound as a character, but those pics make it look like a cheap Cyberverse toy instead of a Generations toy. Hopefully it will look better in person.
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Posted by SpaceEagle on October 14th, 2022 @ 1:51am CDT
Both Hatchet and Hound look great! Took 'em long enough, heh.
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Posted by Munkky on October 14th, 2022 @ 3:15am CDT
Hound looks good enough, I used to have the Netflix version of the Siege mould and didn't really like it much, but I could see this retool having a place on my G1 Autobot shelf. I may have been more excited for Hatchet if he came out three or four years ago, but it's nice to see more Baybots after 1986 and Bumblebee being so dominant in Studio Series for the last couple of years.
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Posted by Emerje on October 14th, 2022 @ 4:00am CDT
Nemesis Primal wrote:
Emerje wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:Slap a coat of browns on that Hound and we've presumably got our Legacy Detritus.

I wonder about that. They seem to be going modular with all of the Junkions in Legacy this time around so I have my doubts about Detritus being a Hound repaint, I think he's more likely to be a retool of Scraphook. Maybe we'll get the repaint in Selects.

Emerje
I...don't understand this line of thinking, this goes against every precedent set up until now. For the entirety of WFC, the modular characters skipped a late wave (which would be when Detritus hits) and they didn't do repaints/retools in the retail lineups (unless you count Slammer sharing literally 2 parts with Ironworks, which doesn't seem like it should count), so far we don't actually know that every Junkion will be modular because of that Voyager listing, and it would just be an inaccurate Detritus for the sake of including a gimmick he never had, which the design team hasn't been doing with G1 characters since WFC started (except for the Powerdashers because otherwise why would they even get made). Isn't it more logical to assume that Detritus is going to actually look like Detritus?

In Siege the Modular figures were all Titan partners, in Earthrise they were all Micromaster bases, and in Kingdom they were all fossils. Since they've already established our first Deluxe Junkion to be modular and the poster shows multiple modular Junkions I don't think it's unreasonable to think that's the play pattern they've established for all Junkions. Maybe he won't be a Scraphook retool, but I doubt he'll be a Hound repaint in Legacy.

Emerje
Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147113)
Posted by william-james88 on October 14th, 2022 @ 8:07am CDT
o.supreme wrote:I don't have strong feelings on Hound as a character, but those pics make it look like a cheap Cyberverse toy instead of a Generations toy. Hopefully it will look better in person.


It will be similar to Siege Hound. Did you ever get that toy?
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Posted by TF-fan kev777 on October 14th, 2022 @ 8:11am CDT
william-james88 wrote:I don't see it, BUT I have now noticed that Hatchet isn't a new mold. It's a retool if the same dreamboat mold we've gotten since TLK


While I would always prefer a new mold, I'm actually impressed at how much mileage they are getting out of the same Chevy Suburban vehicle panels. This is almost the polar opposite of most retools in that they are keeping the vehicle shell the same, but retooling the inner bot and transformation.
Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147115)
Posted by Rtron on October 14th, 2022 @ 8:33am CDT
Everyone who is afraid that they look soft or cheap... You guys know that's a render, right? And Hasbro's renders are consistently terrible as product renders.
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Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on October 14th, 2022 @ 10:44am CDT
I love hound, but I just realized the colors are a bit dull...
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Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147118)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on October 14th, 2022 @ 11:42am CDT
Detrius
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Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147119)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on October 14th, 2022 @ 12:01pm CDT
I'm fine with the old universe Hound I have.

But I'd grab Detrius in a heartbeat.
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Posted by Hero Alpha on October 14th, 2022 @ 12:04pm CDT
I have to say this Hound looks awesome. Love the colours and the sweet Sunbow G1 goodness, but I will need to see it from all angles to replace my Universe Hound. So far that old figure has yet to be beaten.
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Posted by o.supreme on October 14th, 2022 @ 12:19pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
o.supreme wrote:I don't have strong feelings on Hound as a character, but those pics make it look like a cheap Cyberverse toy instead of a Generations toy. Hopefully it will look better in person.


It will be similar to Siege Hound. Did you ever get that toy?


I never got Siege Hound or the Netflix version, but I saw them many times. They looked decent enough in person. It's probably just the colors throwing me off.
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Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 14th, 2022 @ 12:38pm CDT
Glad we're getting an Earth mode Hound for the prople who want that. I'll probably get him for my Lost Light shelf (mostly cause it's orobably going to be the cheapest way to get a Hound for that shelf). Hatchet looks good enough, I'll grab him for my Bayverse con shelf to go with the other 2 Dreads. We're probably getting official reveals for them on the 27th (and hopefully Minerva)
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Posted by Nemesis Primal on October 14th, 2022 @ 1:33pm CDT
Emerje wrote:In Siege the Modular figures were all Titan partners, in Earthrise they were all Micromaster bases, and in Kingdom they were all fossils.
Fasttrack and Slammer were neither Micromaster bases nor fossils.

Emerje wrote:Since they've already established our first Deluxe Junkion to be modular and the poster shows multiple modular Junkions I don't think it's unreasonable to think that's the play pattern they've established for all Junkions.
It's what is established for the 3 new character Junkions whose listings were/are literally just "Junkion 1/2/3", yes, but Detritus isn't a new character listed under a non-name, he's listed as the existing repaint Detritus and therefore I would think he can be reasonably expected to actually look like Detritus. And again, there's also that Voyager Junkion figure, which is a price point Hastak have yet to do modular figures at before, so we don't know for certain that every Legacy Junkion is gonna be Modular because that one could still turn out to be another SS86 Wreck-Gar retool or Animated Wreck-Gar as a Bulkhead retool or something.

Emerje wrote:Maybe he won't be a Scraphook retool, but I doubt he'll be a Hound repaint in Legacy.
Cannot agree, doesn't make sense.
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Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 14th, 2022 @ 6:04pm CDT
Honestly, when I saw how narrow hatchets shoulders are versus his thighs, I thought it looked like they kept crowbars torso and glued hatchets head to crowbars ass :HEADHURTS:
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 14th, 2022 @ 7:33pm CDT
Hmm, interesting.

I am not sure how I feel about Hatchet being a retool of Berserker. I am impressed they pulled that off, but disappointed that he's a retool, it doesn't seem to fit as well as I'd like.

As for Hound, something seems off about him. Glad for those who wanted him, but i am glad I have my Siege one, I'll stick to that one
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Posted by sol magnus on October 14th, 2022 @ 7:42pm CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Hmm, interesting.

I am not sure how I feel about Hatchet being a retool of Berserker. I am impressed they pulled that off, but disappointed that he's a retool, it doesn't seem to fit as well as I'd like.

As for Hound, something seems off about him. Glad for those who wanted him, but i am glad I have my Siege one, I'll stick to that one

Probably the fact that the part that has the star and Autobot symbol are typically over his shoulder, but it's definitely good enough for me.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 14th, 2022 @ 7:50pm CDT
sol magnus wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Hmm, interesting.

I am not sure how I feel about Hatchet being a retool of Berserker. I am impressed they pulled that off, but disappointed that he's a retool, it doesn't seem to fit as well as I'd like.

As for Hound, something seems off about him. Glad for those who wanted him, but i am glad I have my Siege one, I'll stick to that one

Probably the fact that the part that has the star and Autobot symbol are typically over his shoulder, but it's definitely good enough for me.

That may be it. I am glad you like him though
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Posted by Emerje on October 14th, 2022 @ 8:11pm CDT
Nemesis Primal wrote:
Emerje wrote:In Siege the Modular figures were all Titan partners, in Earthrise they were all Micromaster bases, and in Kingdom they were all fossils.
Fasttrack and Slammer were neither Micromaster bases nor fossils.

Right, they're Titan partners so they got the Siege treatment. They maintained their pattern.

Emerje wrote:Since they've already established our first Deluxe Junkion to be modular and the poster shows multiple modular Junkions I don't think it's unreasonable to think that's the play pattern they've established for all Junkions.
It's what is established for the 3 new character Junkions whose listings were/are literally just "Junkion 1/2/3", yes, but Detritus isn't a new character listed under a non-name, he's listed as the existing repaint Detritus and therefore I would think he can be reasonably expected to actually look like Detritus. And again, there's also that Voyager Junkion figure, which is a price point Hastak have yet to do modular figures at before, so we don't know for certain that every Legacy Junkion is gonna be Modular because that one could still turn out to be another SS86 Wreck-Gar retool or Animated Wreck-Gar as a Bulkhead retool or something.

Listing Detritus just means they had a clearer idea of who the figure is supposed to be, it doesn't tell us anything about what the figure looks like. Nobody said it can't still be a Jeep.

Emerje wrote:Maybe he won't be a Scraphook retool, but I doubt he'll be a Hound repaint in Legacy.
Cannot agree, doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense to me for the new Hound retool to be a nobody in the main line while the intended use of the mold gets relegated to being an exclusive.

For the record, I want to be wrong about this.

Emerje
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Posted by Nemesis Primal on October 14th, 2022 @ 9:40pm CDT
Emerje wrote:Right, they're Titan partners so they got the Siege treatment. They maintained their pattern.
...I misinterpreted what you were saying with this part, I took it too literally. We're on the same page here, yeah.

Emerje wrote:Listing Detritus just means they had a clearer idea of who the figure is supposed to be, it doesn't tell us anything about what the figure looks like. Nobody said it can't still be a Jeep.
Oh, okay, we're kinda thinking the same thing. See, I thought the fact that Junkion 1/2/3 were all unnamed (until Scraphook changed last-minute) is because those ones are all gonna be the same in terms of being modular new character Junkions (specifically the 3 visible on the poster, I'm guessing) that they were still finalizing, which we seem to agree on and makes me think of when the Fossilizers first leaked. However, that to me makes Detritus being a named/existing character immediately separate from those 3, and therefore I'm expecting an accurate Detritus instead of a new modular take on the character, otherwise they would have called him Junkion 4/some other name instead. Honestly, I'm half-expecting them to market him as a Mercenary and explicitly not call him a Junkion so kids don't try to rip him apart like the other 3 (even though I would think the instructions and packaging would still make it clear that he doesn't come apart anyway).

I've still got no real clue with the Voyager one though, just those potential theories I mentioned.

Emerje wrote:It doesn't make sense to me for the new Hound retool to be a nobody in the main line while the intended use of the mold gets relegated to being an exclusive.

For the record, I want to be wrong about this.

Emerje
Okay I think there's a few factors here.
-First of all, you're assuming Hound is the only "intended use" of the mold, whereas I think the fact they've held off on making Detritus since Siege means he was always planned to come from this tooling of the mold alongside Hound, so they would arguably both be the "intended use"
-Second, Hound will still be coming out practically a year ahead of Detritus, so they're still doing the marketable guy first of the two of them, which is on-brand for Hasbro (see: Core Volcanicus obviously being molds intended for a different dino combiner)
-Third, Hasbro has been very consistent about NOT releasing Earth mode redos at mainline retail as the exact same characters that were previously at retail unless that character was Optimus/Megatron/Starscream. The Earth Datsun mold was released at retail as specifically Smokescreen, who was the only Datsun that had been a Selects release during Siege, and Soundwave, Thundercracker, Sideswipe, Red Alert, Mirage, Ironhide, Prowl, and Barricade were all exclusives in ER and Kingdom after having been retail releases during Siege. Hound being an exclusive only continues that trend.
-Fourth, there's no way to justify including Detritus in a Buzzworthy Bumblebee Studio Series wave if you were to switch who gets released where, even though Hound works under either release method by virtue of SS86
-Lastly, if we're going off of product codes, then Detritus comes out in Legacy Evolution Wave 4 alongside Strongarm & Bombshell (presumably 2 new molds), and a Tarantulas repack, which seems unusually new-mold heavy for a Deluxe Wave 4...unless you compare to Siege, which also had Mirage and Impactor (new molds), Barricade (repaint/slight retool), and a Sixgun repack, which then makes Detritus's role in that wave make sense. Could you have done Hound there instead? Assuming the Earth jeep tooling had already released once before and other above reasons were being ignored, then yes, but then people would have just complained about how long it took to get Earth Hound and him being in a potentially hard-to-find tail-end wave instead of complaining that he's an exclusive.
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Posted by Emerje on October 14th, 2022 @ 11:32pm CDT
Nemesis Primal wrote:Okay I think there's a few factors here.
-First of all, you're assuming Hound is the only "intended use" of the mold, whereas I think the fact they've held off on making Detritus since Siege means he was always planned to come from this tooling of the mold alongside Hound, so they would arguably both be the "intended use"

I only consider the primary use the "intended use", secondary uses are just a bonus, especially when they're just repaints. If it's a figure that builds in multiple toolings and both can share "generic" parts I'd say they're all intended uses, but it feels wrong calling Detritus the intended use of a design that existed nearly 20 years before him.

-Second, Hound will still be coming out practically a year ahead of Detritus, so they're still doing the marketable guy first of the two of them, which is on-brand for Hasbro (see: Core Volcanicus obviously being molds intended for a different dino combiner)

Well sure, but one is mass retail which will always feel like the more important slot to get.

-Third, Hasbro has been very consistent about NOT releasing Earth mode redos at mainline retail as the exact same characters that were previously at retail unless that character was Optimus/Megatron/Starscream. The Earth Datsun mold was released at retail as specifically Smokescreen, who was the only Datsun that had been a Selects release during Siege, and Soundwave, Thundercracker, Sideswipe, Red Alert, Mirage, Ironhide, Prowl, and Barricade were all exclusives in ER and Kingdom after having been retail releases during Siege. Hound being an exclusive only continues that trend.

I can't argue with this, but I will point out that this is a different line and a different design team (Warden was still in charge of Kingdom's design team even though he departed before it completed) so the same rules may not apply.

-Fourth, there's no way to justify including Detritus in a Buzzworthy Bumblebee Studio Series wave if you were to switch who gets released where, even though Hound works under either release method by virtue of SS86

Who said he'd have be in SS86? We've had single Legacy releases in Buzzworthy, somebody else would have just had to take his place in the SS86 portion (like Mirage who's already on the box).

-Lastly, if we're going off of product codes, then Detritus comes out in Legacy Evolution Wave 4 alongside Strongarm & Bombshell (presumably 2 new molds), and a Tarantulas repack, which seems unusually new-mold heavy for a Deluxe Wave 4...unless you compare to Siege, which also had Mirage and Impactor (new molds), Barricade (repaint/slight retool), and a Sixgun repack, which then makes Detritus's role in that wave make sense. Could you have done Hound there instead? Assuming the Earth jeep tooling had already released once before and other above reasons were being ignored, then yes, but then people would have just complained about how long it took to get Earth Hound and him being in a potentially hard-to-find tail-end wave instead of complaining that he's an exclusive.

It's hard to say what LE wave 4 is going to be without seeing the figures are getting a description. Strongarm could be a slight retool of Crankcase for all we know. Kingdom Deluxe waves 4 and 5 were said to originally be one wave which would have given us two new molds (Waspinator and Slammer), a heavy retool (Pipes) and a repaint/slight retool (Shadow Panther, but the alt head is already in the mold so it doesn't cost any more to produce than Cheetor), which doesn't sound that much different from Strongarm and Bombshell (new molds), Detritus (heavy retool) and Tarantulas (rerelease).

Fans have been complaining about Earth mode Hound taking too long since Earthrise, another year wouldn't kill them. :lol:

Emerje
Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2147157)
Posted by Nemesis Primal on October 15th, 2022 @ 12:16am CDT
Emerje wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:Okay I think there's a few factors here.
-First of all, you're assuming Hound is the only "intended use" of the mold, whereas I think the fact they've held off on making Detritus since Siege means he was always planned to come from this tooling of the mold alongside Hound, so they would arguably both be the "intended use"

I only consider the primary use the "intended use", secondary uses are just a bonus, especially when they're just repaints. If it's a figure that builds in multiple toolings and both can share "generic" parts I'd say they're all intended uses, but it feels wrong calling Detritus the intended use of a design that existed nearly 20 years before him.

-Second, Hound will still be coming out practically a year ahead of Detritus, so they're still doing the marketable guy first of the two of them, which is on-brand for Hasbro (see: Core Volcanicus obviously being molds intended for a different dino combiner)

Well sure, but one is mass retail which will always feel like the more important slot to get.
Fair.

Emerje wrote:I can't argue with this, but I will point out that this is a different line and a different design team (Warden was still in charge of Kingdom's design team even though he departed before it completed) so the same rules may not apply.
True, but we know Warden did stay long enough to at least do initial design work for Prime Arcee according to Mark's behind-the-scenes posts. Whether that would have been enough to impact Detritus and Hound we would have no way of knowing without more BTS (it's probably unlikely), but at the very least we know there was some overlap with the design teams into the initial plans for Legacy.

Emerje wrote:Who said he'd have be in SS86? We've had single Legacy releases in Buzzworthy, somebody else would have just had to take his place in the SS86 portion (like Mirage who's already on the box).
This is true, I only mentioned them directly swapping because of the initial confusion of why their positions were what they were. Who knows what they would have put in this wave if Hound wasn't in it...or if this wave would even exist if Hound wasn't in it.

Emerje wrote:Strongarm could be a slight retool of Crankcase for all we know.
I certainly hope not, only bot I could see working as a Crankcase retool would be Ironfist (or maybe a not-great UT Red Alert as a callback to Crankcase's past, but I think most would prefer a new mold for him, me included).

Emerje wrote:Fans have been complaining about Earth mode Hound taking too long since Earthrise, another year wouldn't kill them. :lol:
I certainly agree with this, but then again I wasn't one of those fans waiting/complaining to begin with, so I'm probably biased. ;)
Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2149907)
Posted by william-james88 on November 24th, 2022 @ 7:42am CST
That Buzzworthy Bumblebee line has done a real 180 on fans. It went from being an easily ignorable line to one of the main lines to watch out for since this is the line where you can get reissues of sought after toys and exclusive figures reminiscent of Botcon multipacks. Unlike the Botcon multipacks though, these tend to be a great value, which is rare in the Transformers collector market today, which only adds to their popularity. We now have wind of a third one coming in 2023, keeping that yearly tradition. There is no rumour or word on the street as to who is in this pack, we just know we are getting another one. We thank JTPrime17 and Voltrace for this finding.

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Re: Buzzworthy Bumblebee ROTB Energon Igniter 2 Pack Found at Target (2149908)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 24th, 2022 @ 7:55am CST
I expect the next year's pack to be 4 core class at 150$can.

:HEADHURTS:

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