Final Trailer for War for Cybertron: Siege Netflix Series Released

This trailer was better then the first one, voices still are not as good as they could of been but their also not as terrible as they could be either.

I'm really impressed with the Generic variations here, like sure their just recolors/alterations of main characters but like their robots man you would realistically expect repeats of designs to happen to more then just Seekers or Datsun Brothers.

Like for anyone who wanted a more "serious" series, this is probably going to be the best we are ever going to get in that regard since you can't go too deep into war in a "children's franchise" outside of comics. (I mean for those who don't think that shows like Beast Wars or Animated were serious enough) and that might be a turn off for some people who don't like "overly edgy" shows, but no Transformers show is going to be for everyone.

For all we know the show might end up being better (or worse who knows) then the trailers make it out to be.

I like this trailer a bit more than the last one, and the plot itself feels pretty interesting with the Decepticons reformatting the Autobots, but I'm still on the fence with the animation, voices, and how it heavily relies on the "G1 but dark and mature" gimmick. Maybe it'll be better than Machinima's Prime Wars, but we'll see.

Quantum Surge wrote:I like this trailer a bit more than the last one, and the plot itself feels pretty interesting with the Decepticons reformatting the Autobots, but I'm still on the fence with the animation, voices, and how it heavily relies on the "G1 but dark and mature" gimmick. Maybe it'll be better than Machinima's Prime Wars, but we'll see.

I watched those. They were practically unwatchable. And if the trailers are any indication, the plot, scripting and everything is better than that. But it's a low bar.

sol magnus wrote:

Quantum Surge wrote:I like this trailer a bit more than the last one, and the plot itself feels pretty interesting with the Decepticons reformatting the Autobots, but I'm still on the fence with the animation, voices, and how it heavily relies on the "G1 but dark and mature" gimmick. Maybe it'll be better than Machinima's Prime Wars, but we'll see.

I watched those. They were practically unwatchable. And if the trailers are any indication, the plot, scripting and everything is better than that. But it's a low bar.

Exactly, it just has to be better then prime wars to not be the worst tf cartoon. I'll be okay if it's passable, as it means it can easily improve as we go from Siege to Earthrise and beyond. I rather have a show go from strength to strength then start out strong then fade away.

ZeroWolf wrote:I'll be okay if it's passable, as it means it can easily improve as we go from Siege to Earthrise and beyond.

"Passable at first and then better as it goes along" sounds like a good description of Cyberverse.

Hype.

Am I the only one who’s getting my hopes up, because the trailers, voices, and animation are all EPIC?

Tigerhawk7109 wrote:Am I the only one who’s getting my hopes up, because the trailers, voices, and animation are all EPIC?

I too feel really good about it. Maybe I don't have enough experience with the people making it, but from trailers alone, I'm pretty psyched. It reminds me of the cutscenes from the War for Cybertron video game from 10 years ago, but with much greater detail.

I also noticed we can see Elita-1 from the back and her design looks interesting. There's wheels between her wings.

I'll put it this way, some of the same staff behind the prime wars cartoons are involved in this. If you didn't have the delight of watching them, count yourself lucky

ZeroWolf wrote:I'll put it this way, some of the same staff behind the prime wars cartoons are involved in this. If you didn't have the delight of watching them, count yourself lucky

Agreed, but I just think Netflix just ain't gonna put anything on their service that doesn't have minimum standards of quality.

ZeroWolf wrote:I'll put it this way, some of the same staff behind the prime wars cartoons are involved in this. If you didn't have the delight of watching them, count yourself lucky

No, I saw them and they were horrible. But I also remember the trailers being just as bad as the actual show. These trailers give me the complete opposite feel than those did and I have nothing else to judge them on but these two shows.

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I'll put it this way, some of the same staff behind the prime wars cartoons are involved in this. If you didn't have the delight of watching them, count yourself lucky

Agreed, but I just think Netflix just ain't gonna put anything on their service that doesn't have minimum standards of quality.

Let's also keep in mind that it's not Netflix but Rooster Teeth who's making this show.

After all, Netflix doesn't make the stuff they air, they just air the stuff.

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I'll put it this way, some of the same staff behind the prime wars cartoons are involved in this. If you didn't have the delight of watching them, count yourself lucky

Agreed, but I just think Netflix just ain't gonna put anything on their service that doesn't have minimum standards of quality.

Don't know about that, I'm yet to hear anything good about their saint seiya cgi series. They may only look at quality from a visual and audio perspective, not the story itself which is the main thing.

Quantum Surge wrote:.. how it heavily relies on the "G1 but dark and mature" gimmick.

To me, this is a huge draw towards what I've seen so far. It's obvious that there is more than just the child market, and I'm personally elated to see it going "dark and mature". I watched a few of the different series throughout the years, but found them all far too kiddified and disappointing.
If Cyberverse == 60s Batman, and this == Dark Knight, then I'm stoked for the new show!

transformers_va wrote:

Quantum Surge wrote:.. how it heavily relies on the "G1 but dark and mature" gimmick.

To me, this is a huge draw towards what I've seen so far. It's obvious that there is more than just the child market, and I'm personally elated to see it going "dark and mature". I watched a few of the different series throughout the years, but found them all far too kiddified and disappointing.
If Cyberverse == 60s Batman, and this == Dark Knight, then I'm stoked for the new show!

The main thing is that The Dark Knight was meaningful in its darkness. There was social commentary and allegory and metaphors and all kinds of weighty and impactful substance. Conversely, if this show turns out to be just depressing and violent grimdark for the sake of depressing and violent grimdark, then that's not maturity, that's shallowness.

Or to put it another way, Batman is cooler when, after struggling to beat his enemy, he ultimately overcomes them with his cunning mind and unyielding will while setting an inspiring example for the viewing audience and channeling a thought-provoking message for us to consider and possibly debate over afterward, rather than when he beats his enemy by sticking a bullet in their head and blowing out their gooey brains all over the camera in full graphic detail, while surrounded by carcasses and skeletons set against the smoldering backdrop of Gotham City on fire and in total ruin.

In short, substance over spectacle is key.


Also, Cyberverse was a far cry from 60s Batman. If anything, the closest TF cartoon equivalent to 60s Batman would be the G1 cartoon, and which was still a far cry from 60s Batman.

Sabrblade wrote:

transformers_va wrote:

Quantum Surge wrote:.. how it heavily relies on the "G1 but dark and mature" gimmick.

To me, this is a huge draw towards what I've seen so far. It's obvious that there is more than just the child market, and I'm personally elated to see it going "dark and mature". I watched a few of the different series throughout the years, but found them all far too kiddified and disappointing.
If Cyberverse == 60s Batman, and this == Dark Knight, then I'm stoked for the new show!

The main thing is that The Dark Knight was meaningful in its darkness. There was social commentary and allegory and metaphors and all kinds of weighty and impactful substance. Conversely, if this show turns out to be just depressing and violent grimdark for the sake of depressing and violent grimdark, then that's not maturity, that's shallowness.

Or to put it another way, Batman is cooler when, after struggling to beat his enemy, he ultimately overcomes them with his cunning mind and unyielding will while setting an inspiring example for the viewing audience and channeling a thought-provoking message for us to consider and possibly debate over afterward, rather than when he beats his enemy by sticking a bullet in their head and blowing out their gooey brains all over the camera in full graphic detail, while surrounded by carcasses and skeletons set against the smoldering backdrop of Gotham City on fire and in total ruin.

In short, substance over spectacle is key.


Also, Cyberverse was a far cry from 60s Batman. If anything, the closest TF cartoon equivalent to 60s Batman would be the G1 cartoon, and which was still a far cry from 60s Batman.

This ^ Being dark for darks sake isn't the way forward, it reeks of being edgy for no reason. Tone is a tool in a writers tool kit to help the story.

Sabrblade wrote:The main thing is that The Dark Knight was meaningful behind the darkness.

I think there is definitely meaning in the dark tone of this new series as well.. it is the war for Cybertron after all

transformers_va wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The main thing is that The Dark Knight was meaningful behind the darkness.

I think there is definitely meaning in the dark tone of this new series as well.. it is the war for Cybertron after all

The Cybertron games, setting aside their medium, have a meaning behind the dark tone, but I felt there was more engagement in the story as well as characters that were able to remain unique from one another. This Netflix series has its characters almost feel the same with very little variation past select voices.

transformers_va wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The main thing is that The Dark Knight was meaningful behind the darkness.

I think there is definitely meaning in the dark tone of this new series as well.. it is the war for Cybertron after all

Yes, and in reality, war is a very miserable, grotesque thing full of death and turmoil. That's why most TF fiction has usually downplayed the grimness and bloodiness of warfare to focus instead on more uplifting or character-driven aspects of war like hope, strategy, skills, and character dynamics.

Less "Saving Private Ryan" and more "Captain America: The First Avenger" or even "Wonder Woman".

Quantum Surge wrote:The Cybertron games, setting aside their medium, have a meaning behind the dark tone, but I felt there was more engagement in the story as well as characters that were able to remain unique from one another.

I agree with you 100% about the games, and I'm hoping that the series is well done too. I won't judge it based of a few minutes of preview, and instead look forward to watching

transformers_va wrote:

Quantum Surge wrote:The Cybertron games, setting aside their medium, have a meaning behind the dark tone, but I felt there was more engagement in the story as well as characters that were able to remain unique from one another.

I agree with you 100% about the games, and I'm hoping that the series is well done too. I won't judge it based of a few minutes of preview, and instead look forward to watching

I think we can all agree that something similar in tone to those games would suffice, as those games had cool stories that didn't glorify the miseries of war, but instead focused on fun action and cool ideas.

It almost seems like the fans want this to be bad. The trailers are pretty good. You think they put ALL the good stuff in three short trailers? Really?

Sabrblade wrote:I think we can all agree that something similar in tone to those games would suffice, as those games had cool stories that didn't glorify the miseries of war, but instead focused on fun action and cool ideas.

I absolutely 100% agree! I'm also hoping that along with the fun action, and cool ideas, they have some tinges of humour as well (just not kiddified)

sol magnus wrote:It almost seems like the fans want this to be bad. The trailers are pretty good. You think they put ALL the good stuff in three short trailers? Really?

Why not? Everyone else does these days The art of making a quality trailer that teases awesome things without giving everything away is a lost art form.

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:It almost seems like the fans want this to be bad. The trailers are pretty good. You think they put ALL the good stuff in three short trailers? Really?

Why not? Everyone else does these days The art of making a quality trailer that teases awesome things without giving everything away is a lost art form.

I'd rather look optimistically at what we've got so far and be a bit disappointed if it's not up to snuff than to poo-poo it just for confirmation bias.

If the trailer was absolute bunk, I'd be worried. But it's not, so I'm not. I hope it raises the profile, even if just a little bit. There are two other seasons to either improve or get worse, too.

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:It almost seems like the fans want this to be bad. The trailers are pretty good. You think they put ALL the good stuff in three short trailers? Really?

Why not? Everyone else does these days The art of making a quality trailer that teases awesome things without giving everything away is a lost art form.

I'd rather look optimistically at what we've got so far and be a bit disappointed if it's not up to snuff than to poo-poo it just for confirmation bias.

If the trailer was absolute bunk, I'd be worried. But it's not, so I'm not. I hope it raises the profile, even if just a little bit. There are two other seasons to either improve or get worse, too.

But that's what I said up above, I'd rather a middling first season that improved with leaps and bounds then a first season that started epic but dropped the ball hard as it went on.

That newest trailer...1:39-1:41 THE CLAW! --- OK, it just got real now!--I've gone from skeptically hopeful to legitimately excited about something in Transformers animation for the first time in seven years. Do NOT disappoint me Netflix/Hasbro/Rooster Teeth. DO--NOT--DISAPPOINT--ME.

o.supreme wrote:That newest trailer...1:39-1:41 THE CLAW! --- OK, it just got real now!--I've gone from skeptically hopeful to legitimately excited about something in Transformers animation for the first time in seven years. Do NOT disappoint me Netflix/Hasbro/Rooster Teeth. DO--NOT--DISAPPOINT--ME.

Then again, we did get only the single arm of a Titan coming out of the ground at the end of Combiner Wars, who then showed his whole self later but proceeded to get his butt kicked by an even newer Titan in Titans Return.

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:That newest trailer...1:39-1:41 THE CLAW! --- OK, it just got real now!--I've gone from skeptically hopeful to legitimately excited about something in Transformers animation for the first time in seven years. Do NOT disappoint me Netflix/Hasbro/Rooster Teeth. DO--NOT--DISAPPOINT--ME.

Then again, we did get only the single arm of a Titan coming out of the ground at the end of Combiner Wars, who then showed his whole self later but proceeded to get his butt kicked by an even newer Titan in Titans Return.

I'm not worried about Omega Supreme losing. It seems to be his destiny in most continuities, to do some major damage to the Decepticons, then sacrifice himself in some fashion, only to come back later. I just want the story and action to be good.

They're going to homage marvel comics and have omega show up just to be taken down by buzzsaw

ZeroWolf wrote:They're going to homage marvel comics and have omega show up just to be taken down by buzzsaw

HA! You have to have Buzzsaw for that to happen.

All kidding aside, it appears at least for the condor type cassette minion (Laserbeak) there are multiples of them.

Plus I doubt that Hasbro would want the center piece of the Siege line to be taken out that easy Though I wonder what the chances are of Siege Omegas price rising after the cartoon drops for all to see.

ZeroWolf wrote:Plus I doubt that Hasbro would want the center piece of the Siege line to be taken out that easy Though I wonder what the chances are of Siege Omegas price rising after the cartoon drops for all to see.

Good grief, it's high enough as it is.

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Plus I doubt that Hasbro would want the center piece of the Siege line to be taken out that easy Though I wonder what the chances are of Siege Omegas price rising after the cartoon drops for all to see.

Good grief, it's high enough as it is.

I was about to say...yeesh...so glad I got him back in February the last time BBTS had him at "normal" retail...

Looks pretty intense to me.

Another misery porn?The show business try to make people depressed and pessimistic these days if it's not just stupid and submissive.Don't give them money at all.

I'll reserve judgement till its out but tbh I've not been impressed with the writing in the last few series.
The cyberverse lad gives me hope as the 3rd series of that has some really nice nods to the lore and for a kiddiefied version of tf it's quite mature and inventive.

But it just seems no one in animation can DO this franchise in a way that doesn't seem clichéd tropey or lazy.

Like I said I'll give it a chance but the odds of em doing something like have omega supreme kick the deceps arse and build on that to cause the deceps construct scorponok on earth to counter him seem slim.

Everything comes down to a bloody mcguffin with em. Personally I'm sick of the bloody allspark. Just tell stories driven by the characters.

Personally I think seige shouldve been about the battle of iacon and prime stepping up to be the first to actually counter megatrons advance. Beginning the gradual retake of cybertron. Thid looks to be at the point of stalemate that came well after it.

I haven't really watched or enjoyed a Transformers series since Animated [Season 3 specifically]. I tapped out of Prime very early on and haven't seen anything beyond that. I'll give this a go, at least. As it doesn't seem a visually child-like as RiD, Rescue Bots, Cyberverse etc

partholon wrote: Personally I'm sick of the bloody allspark. Just tell stories driven by the characters.

^ This 100%. I'd really like them to drop this pointless macguffin from canon entirely to be honest.

So, what I'm getting from this thread is that...

Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion = "kiddy"

Bland, drab, generic-looking faces with tiny squinty eyes full of no emotion = "mature"

To me,

Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion = "chibi" ala Teen Titans Go! Thundercats Roar! etc

Beast Wars and Animated both had colour to their designs (although the former largely lived in a world of clay ) and emotive faces. But too far down that road you cease to be faithful to the source material. It becomes the low brow, homogenised "entertainment" of most cartoons today.

As I've said in many places, many times. I like the 'alien' and the 'robot' aspects of Transformers. Shy away from those and the identity is largely lost. That's when the series becomes Generic Robot Show.

"Chibi" is "big head with small bodies". The description I wrote applies just as much to the 2003 Teen Titans cartoon that people loved and resent Go! for replacing.

Yes, but '03 Titans used that look for comedic emphasis, not as an animation standard.

'Chibi' has been used as a byword for that aesthetic in general. As opposed to just the literal descriptive. IE 'Chibified' When something is made "cuter".

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yes, but '03 Titans used that look for comedic emphasis, not as an animation standard.

Uh, no. It's standard look was definitely "Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion"

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yes, but '03 Titans used that look for comedic emphasis, not as an animation standard.

Uh, no. It's standard look was definitely "Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion"

Uh, yes. You're also talking at cross purposes here.

There is a difference between a stylised aesthetic and 'chibi'.



Stylised aesthetic



Chibified, when used for emphasis

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yes, but '03 Titans used that look for comedic emphasis, not as an animation standard.

Uh, no. It's standard look was definitely "Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion"

Uh, yes. You're also talking at cross purposes here.

There is a difference between a stylised aesthetic and 'chibi'.

image

Stylised aesthetic

image

Chibified, when used for emphasis

And that first pic matches exactly with the description that I originally wrote. Who are you to dictate to me what my own description is in regards to?

Sabrblade wrote:And that first pic matches exactly with the description that I originally wrote. Who are you to dictate to me what my own description is in regards to?

What are you talking about? The "Uh, no" was in response to what I wrote. My reply directly addressed that. There was nothing in there dictating intent

Sabrblade wrote:So, what I'm getting from this thread is that...

Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion = "kiddy"

Bland, drab, generic-looking faces with tiny squinty eyes full of no emotion = "mature"

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:To me,

Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion = "chibi" ala Teen Titans Go! Thundercats Roar! etc

Sabrblade wrote:"Chibi" is "big head with small bodies". The description I wrote applies just as much to the 2003 Teen Titans cartoon that people loved and resent Go! for replacing.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yes, but '03 Titans used that look for comedic emphasis, not as an animation standard.

Sabrblade wrote:Uh, no. It's standard look was definitely "Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion"

And that's how we got here.

Sabrblade wrote:Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion = "kiddy"

Our assessments of Cyberverse are just different. Unfortunately I see a show that looks cheaply made, sounds cheaply made, and is made for UK fans by people of that region. Even if I were the right age demographic, I would not have found it to be entertaining at all. I even asked my son if any of his friends or their younger siblings watched it, and he said most of them didn't even know it existed, the others who had previously been into Transformers weren't. It's not just Cyberverse though. I really tried to understand why some people liked the UK stuff furman did early on. I got all the volumes released by IDW, and ended up selling them because I hated the art style and the stories were not to my liking.

Prime looked great, sounded great, had an epic cinematic feel to it, and while its tone was of a more serious nature, it was not without elements of fun. I don't think I, and my family ever laughed so hard at an episode if TF's as when Megatron threw 2 of his cons off the warship, chasing after Smokescreen, one transformed into a plane, the other into a car, and screamed all the way down to his inevitable end. Now while RiD15 was obviously a step way down from Prime, I think it is a better comparison with Cyberverse because they were both aiming at the same target audience.

And while I'll agree that RiD15 isn't great, I'd rank it higher than Cyberverse, though both look cheaply animated, I'd give RiD15 the advantage in writing and plot development, such as it was. While most of it is forgettable, at least you have the Starscream arc which I have re watched a couple of times. I watched all of Cyberverse once, even the most recent season 3 episodes when they dropped early online, and I really cant tell you much other than they pronounced Quintessons incorrectly (Even Chris McFeely who is from that region pronounces it correctly, furman just needs to go back to school).

To me it seems simple as; it was too expensive for Hasbro to continue to produce the shows themselves, so they purchased Boulder Media, who could do it for less, and it shows. Even RB Academy lacks the strong moral compass that the original RB had as a great example of a show for young children. I would hope that Hasbro chooses to go a different direction, but if Boulder Media is going to continue making content, they are going to have to do far better IMHO.

Of course, its unfortunate, and goes without saying that Machinima's trilogy was a complete dumpster fire, and is universally hated. Like I said, I have a feeling I'm backing the wrong horse, but I really do hope that this new series that drops on Netflix in just under 3 weeks is good, because for me at least, it has been Seven years since I really enjoyed a piece of Transformers media.

Season 3 of Animated was 2009. So it has been 11 years since there was a Transformers series I care enough to watch. I remember thinking back in the day that Beast Wars was a turning point. That each successive series would re-invent What Transformers is. A whole new and original visual identity, cast and concept each time.

Still waiting.

Sabrblade wrote:And that's how You got here.

By cherry picking lines, out of context. As it is both clear you don't see that and off topic. You do you and we'll leave it there.