Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art

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Artist Ken Christiansen has update his blog, Bad Flip Productions, with an image of Cybertron he created for Hasbro's Transformers Dark of the Moon marketing campaign. Only the top third of the image made onto the "Power of the Primes" displays that showed up at Wal-Mart. Here's the full image.

Ken Christiansen wrote:Not totally accurate with how it appeared in the film - but it was for Hasbro's toy marketing, and I think it works as a pretty cool toy version of movie Cybertron.

Credit(s): Ken Christiansen

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Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380331)
Posted by #Sideways# on May 16th, 2012 @ 12:27pm CDT

Oh, so it wasn't Polyhex that went through the Space Bridge, it was Cybertron that looks like that... Ohhh...

Looks pretty okay, but is it me, or is part of that indented? Is that just a planetary scar?

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380336)
Posted by GEEWUN on May 16th, 2012 @ 12:39pm CDT

Cybertron should look like this:

Or even this:

Not this:

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380337)
Posted by BeastProwl on May 16th, 2012 @ 12:46pm CDT

Funny thing is, Cybertron looked different in the first film.

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380346)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on May 16th, 2012 @ 1:18pm CDT

i would accept that as one of the moons but not cybertron, i can see why it wasnt used

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380347)
Posted by Shadowman on May 16th, 2012 @ 1:18pm CDT

GEEWUN wrote:Cybertron should look like this

So...what, you just started when WfC rolled around or something? You know, Cybertron never, ever looks the same twice, right?

G1 cartoon
G1 Marvel Comics
Beast Wars
Beast Machines
Beast Machines again
RID
Dreamwave
Armada
Energon
Cybertron...or Galaxy Force if you don't want this to be too confusing
IDW
Universe
'07 movie
Animated
War for Cybertron
Prime (The ONLY instance if Cybertron's design remaining the same between series)

BeastProwl wrote:Funny thing is, Cybertron looked different in the first film.

We never really saw Cybertron in the first movie, just that bit of promotional material.

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380362)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 16th, 2012 @ 2:05pm CDT

While wasn't in the movie itself, let's not forget this.

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380377)
Posted by New Omen on May 16th, 2012 @ 2:44pm CDT

So Hasbro's plan was to have this in the background and a tonne of shelfwarming Bumblebees around the "hive". Sorta makes sense, but what was hasbro trying to tell us :-?

OFF TO SHOP TO BUY HONEY. I'LL BE BACK TOMORROW... :HALUC:

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380378)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on May 16th, 2012 @ 2:47pm CDT

Thats seriously lame. Sure Cybertron looked different a bunch, but hell even the oldschool 80s renditions were more complicated and creative than this. With all the movies over complication of robot designs, they decided to crap out on the one place its warranted. Movies just got so much wrong, its insane.

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380399)
Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 3:44pm CDT

GEEWUN wrote:Cybertron should look like this:

Or even this:

Not this:

I thank you for giving me my 7 scuckles of the day and I totally agree with you the first 2 pics are cybertron not the bees hive

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380406)
Posted by Shadowman on May 16th, 2012 @ 4:20pm CDT

MINDVVIPE wrote:Thats seriously lame. Sure Cybertron looked different a bunch, but hell even the oldschool 80s renditions were more complicated and creative than this. With all the movies over complication of robot designs, they decided to crap out on the one place its warranted. Movies just got so much wrong, its insane.

Clearly you an I have very different definitions of "complicated." For instance, a massive multilayer series of netting of variable sized is complicated to me. A planet where half of the surface is perfectly flat and smooth and the rest is a bunch of random city-like structures, not nearly as complicated.

Hotrodimust wrote:I thank you for giving me my 7 scuckles of the day and I totally agree with you the first 2 pics are cybertron not the bees hive

So what are the pictures I posted of? Because they didn't look anything like the two he posted.

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380410)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on May 16th, 2012 @ 4:29pm CDT

[quote="Shadowman"]
Clearly you an I have very different definitions of "complicated." For instance, a massive multilayer series of netting of variable sized is complicated to me. A planet where half of the surface is perfectly flat and smooth and the rest is a bunch of random city-like structures, not nearly as complicated.

Lets make this simple. Symmetry means its simpler, asymmetry helps making it complicated. If it were a cg model, the texture would be a boring tiled one. A perfectly flat surface that has a unique size and shape, and is scattered in what would appear as random placements, plus the multple levels of depth from the surfaces, that aren't really fully flat, but just seem that way from far, and add the recesses that show through the cracks, and the crazy almost random connections of pathways and lower level turbines and buildings. Ya, thats complicted. An exact same angle that is seen all over an entire planet that had its roots from something living and not built as per design, is boring and simple and uncreative. The netting you mention is only changing in size and level. Thats the most boring look when compared to any other rendition of cybertron who had that, PLUS all the random other stuff like towers and so on and so forth.

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380414)
Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 4:34pm CDT

Shadowman wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:Thats seriously lame. Sure Cybertron looked different a bunch, but hell even the oldschool 80s renditions were more complicated and creative than this. With all the movies over complication of robot designs, they decided to crap out on the one place its warranted. Movies just got so much wrong, its insane.

Clearly you an I have very different definitions of "complicated." For instance, a massive multilayer series of netting of variable sized is complicated to me. A planet where half of the surface is perfectly flat and smooth and the rest is a bunch of random city-like structures, not nearly as complicated.

Hotrodimust wrote:I thank you for giving me my 7 scuckles of the day and I totally agree with you the first 2 pics are cybertron not the bees hive

So what are the pictures I posted of? Because they didn't look anything like the two he posted.

The 2 of cybertron then a boxes of honey comes who ever posted that it was great

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380416)
Posted by Shadowman on May 16th, 2012 @ 4:40pm CDT

Well, that's your opinion, sure. I happen to think this is vastly more complicated than any other version of Cybertron. Much more detail while at the same time the deeper levels still appear coherent, not simply random details, giving the planet the image of a massive series of net-like pathways and passages right down to the planet's core.

The whole design makes a ton of sense when you really think about it. It's randomized, but uniform at the same time, reflecting the inhabitants (Robots, which are famously logic-fueled) while the honey-comb appearance reflects their somewhat insectoid designs. It all comes together; a big hive, as built by robot bugs.

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380418)
Posted by Capt.Failure on May 16th, 2012 @ 4:41pm CDT

Shadowman wrote:
GEEWUN wrote:Cybertron should look like this

So...what, you just started when WfC rolled around or something? You know, Cybertron never, ever looks the same twice, right?

G1 cartoon
G1 Marvel Comics
Beast Wars
Beast Machines
Beast Machines again
RID
Dreamwave
Armada
Energon
Cybertron...or Galaxy Force if you don't want this to be too confusing
IDW
Universe
'07 movie
Animated
War for Cybertron
Prime (The ONLY instance if Cybertron's design remaining the same between series)

BeastProwl wrote:Funny thing is, Cybertron looked different in the first film.

We never really saw Cybertron in the first movie, just that bit of promotional material.

I love how everyone is ignoring this post, aka the proof that Cybertron has no set "look," because it invalidates their childish whining. We got some real argumentative winners on this forum, I tell you what. :APPLAUSE:

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380421)
Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 4:43pm CDT

Shadowman wrote:Well, that's your opinion, sure. I happen to think this is vastly more complicated than any other version of Cybertron. Much more detail while at the same time the deeper levels still appear coherent, not simply random details, giving the planet the image of a massive series of net-like pathways and passages right down to the planet's core.

The whole design makes a ton of sense when you really think about it. It's randomized, but uniform at the same time, reflecting the inhabitants (Robots, which are famously logic-fueled) while the honey-comb appearance reflects their somewhat insectoid designs. It all comes together; a big hive, as built by robot bugs.

But they are not bugs and other designs of cybertron were multi leveled. Cybertron has buildings on it like in iacon I don't see buildings in the honey comb

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380425)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on May 16th, 2012 @ 4:52pm CDT

whos whining? you guys are pretty sad how you get so riled up just because someone like me decides to talk about how something sucks compared to something that doesn't. Its not like I'm trying to convince you all, just doing what forums were meant for; discussion.
Obviously Cybertron has no "set" look, its always been fairly random in how each artists decides a world of machines would look. As for the whole bee hive thing, it makes them much less like a city, and more like insects. These aren't the machines from the matrix. And hell, even their "world" that was built in the animatrix wasn't uniform in any way. Logic doesn't mean it has to look tiled. The hive look just seems retarded when all the robots think differently and make things differently. Its not like the planet hadn't undergone changes over its looonng life span. Finally, something created naturally would tend to look random (as if cybertron was the actual body of Primus), and even though you might say that hives are a naturally occuring structure, it still just ends up doing less to aid the credibility of Cybertronians being a natural offspring of the planet, but leans more towards them being built in an assembly line (the G1 backstory, I know)

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380426)
Posted by Shadowman on May 16th, 2012 @ 4:56pm CDT

Hotrodimust wrote:But they are not bugs

Insectoid. It means "bug-like," and yeah, they do look buglike. Starscream is the biggest example, Decepticon ships in DOTM also had hulls that looked like a beetle's carapace. Their young are shown in clusters of translucent eggs on stalks, even.

Hotrodimust wrote:and other designs of cybertron were multi leveled.

Well, sort of. They had some depths but you couldn't really see or tell what was down there.

Hotrodimust wrote:Cybertron has buildings on it like in iacon I don't see buildings in the honey comb

Which Cybertron? We've been over this, the design changes in every series, sometimes the design changes within the series itself, so you have to be specific. Still, out of all the designs I've seen, (And posted!) only some of them have random details that kinda-sorta look like buildings. The rest look like metal balls with random generic detailing.

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380428)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on May 16th, 2012 @ 5:01pm CDT

I guess I forgot we were talking about the movie Cybertron. Who even cares, the movies are a joke. The only Cybertron that matters to me is the one seen in WFC, the comics, G1, pretty much anything but the movies. But ya, since they are so overly buglike in the movies, the hive can work, even though I still think it reaks of uncreativity.

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380430)
Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 5:10pm CDT

Shadowman wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:But they are not bugs

Insectoid. It means "bug-like," and yeah, they do look buglike. Starscream is the biggest example, Decepticon ships in DOTM also had hulls that looked like a beetle's carapace. Their young are shown in clusters of translucent eggs on stalks, even.

Hotrodimust wrote:and other designs of cybertron were multi leveled.

Well, sort of. They had some depths but you couldn't really see or tell what was down there.

Hotrodimust wrote:Cybertron has buildings on it like in iacon I don't see buildings in the honey comb

Which Cybertron? We've been over this, the design changes in every series, sometimes the design changes within the series itself, so you have to be specific. Still, out of all the designs I've seen, (And posted!) only some of them have random details that kinda-sorta look like buildings. The rest look like metal balls with random generic detailing.

Ya in the movies they do kinda look like bugs I'll give you that. And none of the cybertrons can you actually see down their but if you look at some of the drawings from Wic they do show a lot of multi layered civilization and almost every pic of cybertron has a large looking city on it and a part that looks like a hole and I said most not all. But I think the best look at the landscape would be thru the video games and it's illustrations

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380432)
Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 5:12pm CDT

Hotrodimust wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:But they are not bugs

Insectoid. It means "bug-like," and yeah, they do look buglike. Starscream is the biggest example, Decepticon ships in DOTM also had hulls that looked like a beetle's carapace. Their young are shown in clusters of translucent eggs on stalks, even.

Hotrodimust wrote:and other designs of cybertron were multi leveled.

Well, sort of. They had some depths but you couldn't really see or tell what was down there.

Hotrodimust wrote:Cybertron has buildings on it like in iacon I don't see buildings in the honey comb

Which Cybertron? We've been over this, the design changes in every series, sometimes the design changes within the series itself, so you have to be specific. Still, out of all the designs I've seen, (And posted!) only some of them have random details that kinda-sorta look like buildings. The rest look like metal balls with random generic detailing.

Ya in the movies they do kinda look like bugs I'll give you that. And none of the cybertrons can you actually see down their but if you look at some of the drawings from Wic they do show a lot of multi layered civilization and almost every pic of cybertron has a large looking city on it and a part that looks like a hole and I said most not all. But I think the best look at the landscape would be thru the video games and it's illustrations

And I know it meant bug like lol

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380445)
Posted by SlyTF1 on May 16th, 2012 @ 5:57pm CDT

Anyone else remember in ROTF when The Fallen referred to Earth as "the human hive"? Now we know, because Cybertron was a hive looking planet.

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380448)
Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 6:00pm CDT

Hotrodimust wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:But they are not bugs

Insectoid. It means "bug-like," and yeah, they do look buglike. Starscream is the biggest example, Decepticon ships in DOTM also had hulls that looked like a beetle's carapace. Their young are shown in clusters of translucent eggs on stalks, even.

Hotrodimust wrote:and other designs of cybertron were multi leveled.

Well, sort of. They had some depths but you couldn't really see or tell what was down there.

Hotrodimust wrote:Cybertron has buildings on it like in iacon I don't see buildings in the honey comb

Which Cybertron? We've been over this, the design changes in every series, sometimes the design changes within the series itself, so you have to be specific. Still, out of all the designs I've seen, (And posted!) only some of them have random details that kinda-sorta look like buildings. The rest look like metal balls with random generic detailing.

Ya in the movies they do kinda look like bugs I'll give you that. And none of the cybertrons can you actually see down their but if you look at some of the drawings from Wfc they do show a lot of multi layered civilization and almost every pic of cybertron has a large looking city on it and a part that looks like a hole and I said most not all. But I think the best look at the landscape would be thru the video games and it's illustrations

And I know it meant bug like lol

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380461)
Posted by Capt.Failure on May 16th, 2012 @ 7:50pm CDT

MINDVVIPE wrote:I guess I forgot we were talking about the movie Cybertron. Who even cares, the movies are a joke. The only Cybertron that matters to me is the one seen in WFC, the comics, G1, pretty much anything but the movies. But ya, since they are so overly buglike in the movies, the hive can work, even though I still think it reaks of uncreativity.

Let me simplify this statement: "The only Cybertron that matters is the multitude of various redesigns from the series that I like as part of my No True Scottsman view of the series, since the parts of it I don't like aren't TRUE Transformers shows."

Pardon me while I laugh at you. True Fans are the real joke here, not the movies. :lol:

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380463)
Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 7:57pm CDT

Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:I guess I forgot we were talking about the movie Cybertron. Who even cares, the movies are a joke. The only Cybertron that matters to me is the one seen in WFC, the comics, G1, pretty much anything but the movies. But ya, since they are so overly buglike in the movies, the hive can work, even though I still think it reaks of uncreativity.

Let me simplify this statement: "The only Cybertron that matters is the multitude of various redesigns from the series that I like as part of my No True Scottsman view of the series, since the parts of it I don't like aren't TRUE Transformers shows."

Pardon me while I laugh at you. True Fans are the real joke here, not the movies.

That's ugly I'm a true fan I I enjoyed the movies for just the movie aspect as far as looks I can care less about the movie characters and design. I like and love the g1 comics and WFC looks oh and prime it's not bit at all. But I also don't bash everything that is not g1 comic and WFC like some of the hard core g1 fans I love everything TFs some just less than others so please don't say true fans are the real joke. It's really the people that just can't let go and move on lol

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380468)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:16pm CDT

Capt.Failure wrote:Let me simplify this statement: "The only Cybertron that matters is the multitude of various redesigns from the series that I like as part of my No True Scottsman view of the series, since the parts of it I don't like aren't TRUE Transformers shows."

Pardon me while I laugh at you. True Fans are the real joke here, not the movies.

wtf are you even talking about? How can you take a simple statement and attempt to simplify it by making it more complicated? The other cybertrons haven't been a redesign, they have generally been planets that are just one big city, with large metal flatter parts, buildings, lots of highways and pathways, lights, and depths. The movie is the only one that has really dramatically changed its looks by basically uniforming all of those details into looking exactly the same, but just changing size and level. I didn't say anything about "true" transformers shows (or about being a "true" fan, these words are pointless), but just that the movies were pretty much ass overall, so its no surprise I don't like a piece of movie concept art. I had to type all that out just to explain this? Hurt. Evolve? Move on? I actually did. I watched Animated. It looked like a crap art style and a childish direction, but I gave it a chance and it was good. The movies weren't. Stop trying to make all of this into some bigger issue. Its just stuff you like or don't like. I don't like this Cybertron coz its boring and a DOWNGRADE from the good stuff already established.

Do I need to start/end every sentence with IMO just so you don't have a hissy fit?

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380470)
Posted by Shadowman on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:21pm CDT

Hotrodimust wrote:so please don't say true fans are the real joke.

The concept of a "true fan" is a real joke. Calling oneself a "true fan" implies that you're better than other fans, or that there are people who are "false fans." It has as lot more impact here, we dealt with the term a lot around '07. "True fan" was meant as "I'm right, and if you disagree, you obviously aren't a true fan."

MINDVVIPE wrote:The other cybertrons haven't been a redesign, they have generally been planets that are just one big city, with large metal flatter parts, buildings, lots of highways and pathways, lights, and depths.

Generally, as in, not always. As in, I posted a ton of pics earlier where Cybertron doesn't always look like what you just said.

And those "buildings, highways and pathways" are just random details that only sort of look like that, like a Landscape Rorschach Test. Or else they are absolutely massive to be visible from orbit.

MINDVVIPE wrote:I don't like this Cybertron coz its boring and a DOWNGRADE from the good stuff already established.

Nothing is established. Have you been paying attention at all? Cybertron goes through radical redesigns with literally every series.

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Posted by Sabrblade on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:27pm CDT

Shadowman wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:so please don't say true fans are the real joke.

The concept of a "true fan" is a real joke. Calling oneself a "true fan" implies that you're better than other fans, or that there are people who are "false fans." It has as lot more impact here, we dealt with the term a lot around '07. "True fan" was meant as "I'm right, and if you disagree, you obviously aren't a true fan."

Basically, there is no such thing as a "true fan".

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380477)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:31pm CDT

I've looked at all of those pictures, its estabalished that its a world thats just one big city. Since our first look with G1 its been a city where people drive around on, fly around, go inside buildings, etc etc. The ones that really might suggest anything else is just pictures of them from far away. Any close ups are generally city structures. Sure, theres some crazy metal balls and boob structures that are part of the landscape, but that is usually just a boob you can enter since its also building.

Theres just so many holes in this Cybertron, which even conflicts with the short bit we saw in the first movie where Megatron looks over the horizon and theres towers and definitely no huge holes all over the place. But whatever, its obviously no set in stone design, but THIS design is definitely different to the majority of the older ones.

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Posted by Shadowman on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:35pm CDT

MINDVVIPE wrote:but THIS design is definitely different to the majority of the older ones.

Good! They did something new. Tons of people are saying the design is unoriginal or uncreative, but then rehashing design elements is, itself, unoriginal and uncreative.

But still, it's your opinion, and honestly I'm having a tough time arguing when that thought passes in my head.

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Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:37pm CDT

Shadowman wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:so please don't say true fans are the real joke.

The concept of a "true fan" is a real joke. Calling oneself a "true fan" implies that you're better than other fans, or that there are people who are "false fans." It has as lot more impact here, we dealt with the term a lot around '07. "True fan" was meant as "I'm right, and if you disagree, you obviously aren't a true fan."

No I consider a true fan to enjoy and give a chance to anything that has the transformer label on it. Like I tried to watch rescue bots it's to kiddy but the character look ok and I got my daughter all the toys I don't talk crap about it. And I just don't collect TF toys I collect everything TF it doesn't mean I'm a better fan than you I'm just kinda true to the brand you will not see me wear a gobots shirt lol. to tell you the truth I don't give a sh#t what you like an the only reason I even come on these forums is to talk about TFs if I had a couple friends that were actually in my life that liked TF past watching the movies I wouldn't even be on here.And a true fan knows the TFs history and watched one of the shows when he or she was a kid and didn't jump on board when the movies came out unless you were a kid when the started. Kinda like everyone got into tuning cars when the fast and furious came out and then there were the kids already on the scene enjoying it. the the fucking movie ruined it for us with every a$$hole putting a muffler on his car trying to race his civic

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Posted by MINDVVIPE on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:39pm CDT

Thats fair to say, showing the same cybertron over and over isn't terribly creative in and of itself. I just feel theres more neat stuff thats possible given how crazy Cybertron already is. Look at what WFC did with its transforming highways. Looks like theres going to be an insane new amount of cool stuff in FoC in regards to the landscapes of Cybertron. Especially looking forward to battling around the remains of dead Giant Transformers.

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Posted by Bouncy X on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:49pm CDT

Shadowman wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:Funny thing is, Cybertron looked different in the first film.

We never really saw Cybertron in the first movie, just that bit of promotional material.

we actually get a really detailed look in the first movie during Prime's little holographic "light show" to the kids. and as someone else stated, it looks nothing like we see in the 3rd movie. but my personal explanation was that what we saw in the first movie was just lower down on the actual planet and the honeycomb thing was just much higher, maybe some barrier or pseudo physical atmosphere type thing....lame but it works. lol

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Posted by Sabrblade on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:50pm CDT

Hotrodimust wrote:No I consider a true fan to enjoy and give a chance to anything that has the transformer label on it.

No, that's just a "fan", not a "true fan". A "true fan" is something so contrversial that it's best that it doesn't exist. No one should ever be a "true fan".

Hotrodimust wrote:And a true fan knows the TFs history and watched one of the shows when he or she was a kid and didn't jump on board when the movies came out unless you were a kid when the started.

Wait, what? You're saying that fans are only those who watched the shows as kids and/or know the TF history?

Dude, there are several fans who did not watch Transformers cartoon as children and instead become fans as teens or adults.

And there are even those fans who do NOT know the TF history as they are only "casual fans" rather than "die-hard fans", yet they are still "fans" nonetheless.

Re: Ken Christiansen Reveals Transformers DOTM Cybertron - Hasbro Marketing Art (1380488)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:52pm CDT

Bouncy X wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:Funny thing is, Cybertron looked different in the first film.

We never really saw Cybertron in the first movie, just that bit of promotional material.

we actually get a really detailed look in the first movie during Prime's little holographic "light show" to the kids.

He means we never a full look at the planet's globe from outer space in the movie. Specifically, the first movie never showed us this:

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Posted by Capt.Failure on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:53pm CDT

Hotrodimust wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:I guess I forgot we were talking about the movie Cybertron. Who even cares, the movies are a joke. The only Cybertron that matters to me is the one seen in WFC, the comics, G1, pretty much anything but the movies. But ya, since they are so overly buglike in the movies, the hive can work, even though I still think it reaks of uncreativity.

Let me simplify this statement: "The only Cybertron that matters is the multitude of various redesigns from the series that I like as part of my No True Scottsman view of the series, since the parts of it I don't like aren't TRUE Transformers shows."

Pardon me while I laugh at you. True Fans are the real joke here, not the movies.

That's ugly I'm a true fan I I enjoyed the movies for just the movie aspect as far as looks I can care less about the movie characters and design. I like and love the g1 comics and WFC looks oh and prime it's not bit at all. But I also don't bash everything that is not g1 comic and WFC like some of the hard core g1 fans I love everything TFs some just less than others so please don't say true fans are the real joke. It's really the people that just can't let go and move on lol

My point is the people stating that the movie design of Cybertron isn't "the real one," the "proper one," or the "true one." There is no set design of Cybertron and there never has been. You can dislike this one all you want for it's assorted design quirks, that's just normal to have opinions. To try and say it doesn't count as legitimate because it's from the movies is the height of fallacious logic.

Now granted I cannot take you seriously since you immediately call yourself a True Fan. There are not True Fans, only fans.

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Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:53pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:No I consider a true fan to enjoy and give a chance to anything that has the transformer label on it.
No, that's just a "fan", not a "true fan". A "true fan" is something so contrversial that it's best that it doesn't exist. No one should ever be a "true fan".

Hotrodimust wrote:And a true fan knows the TFs history and watched one of the shows when he or she was a kid and didn't jump on board when the movies came out unless you were a kid when the started.
Wait, what? You're saying that fans are only those who watched the shows as kids and/or know the TF history?

Dude, there are several fans who did not watch Transformers cartoon as children and instead become fans as teens or adults.

And there are even those fans who do NOT know the TF history as they are only "casual fans" rather than "die-hard fans", yet they are still "fans" nonetheless.

So but you are using the term die hard fan saying u are more of a fan than a casual fan sounds like just another way to say true fan bro u argue until u can feel like ur right at everything that is said have a nice night get over it true fan

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Posted by Capt.Failure on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:56pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:No I consider a true fan to enjoy and give a chance to anything that has the transformer label on it.
No, that's just a "fan", not a "true fan". A "true fan" is something so contrversial that it's best that it doesn't exist. No one should ever be a "true fan".

Hotrodimust wrote:And a true fan knows the TFs history and watched one of the shows when he or she was a kid and didn't jump on board when the movies came out unless you were a kid when the started.
Wait, what? You're saying that fans are only those who watched the shows as kids and/or know the TF history?

Dude, there are several fans who did not watch Transformers cartoon as children and instead become fans as teens or adults.

And there are even those fans who do NOT know the TF history as they are only "casual fans" rather than "die-hard fans", yet they are still "fans" nonetheless.

Sabor, all you had to post was this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... ueScotsman

No True Scotsman is an intentional logical fallacy which involves the act of setting up standards for a particular scenario, then redefining those same standards in order to exclude a particular outcome.

The Trope Namer and prime example of this sort of behavior is a hypothetical scenario (first told by British philosopher Antony Flew in his 1975 book Thinking About Thinking) in which a Scotsman reads about a horrible crime in the newspaper that takes place in the English town of Brighton and smugly thinks to himself, "No Scotsman would ever do such a thing." Something much worse happens in nearby Aberdeen and is reported on the next day. Rather than admit that he's wrong, he instead thinks, "No true Scotsman would ever do such a thing." In this case, he is going from "someone who lives in Scotland" to "someone that meets my standard of Scottish behavior."

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Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 8:59pm CDT

Hotrodimust wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:No I consider a true fan to enjoy and give a chance to anything that has the transformer label on it.
No, that's just a "fan", not a "true fan". A "true fan" is something so contrversial that it's best that it doesn't exist. No one should ever be a "true fan".

Hotrodimust wrote:And a true fan knows the TFs history and watched one of the shows when he or she was a kid and didn't jump on board when the movies came out unless you were a kid when the started.
Wait, what? You're saying that fans are only those who watched the shows as kids and/or know the TF history?

Dude, there are several fans who did not watch Transformers cartoon as children and instead become fans as teens or adults.

And there are even those fans who do NOT know the TF history as they are only "casual fans" rather than "die-hard fans", yet they are still "fans" nonetheless.

So but you are using the term die hard fan saying u are more of a fan than a casual fan sounds like just another way to say true fan bro u argue until u can feel like ur right at everything that is said have a nice night get over it true fan

Ok I'll change what I call it I'm a die-hard fan call me brue

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Posted by MINDVVIPE on May 16th, 2012 @ 9:04pm CDT

Capt.Failure wrote: To try and say it doesn't count as legitimate because it's from the movies is the height of fallacious logic.

No one said that. What I was saying is that the movies suck, and so its no surprise to me that their idea of Cybertron sucks, as it seems like a downgrade, just like a bunch of other aspects of the movie.

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Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 9:06pm CDT

MINDVVIPE wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote: To try and say it doesn't count as legitimate because it's from the movies is the height of fallacious logic.

No one said that. What I was saying is that the movies suck, and so its no surprise to me that their idea of Cybertron sucks, as it seems like a downgrade, just like a bunch of other aspects of the movie.

Your not gonna get your point across because obviously these to are the sharpest tools in the shed

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Posted by Capt.Failure on May 16th, 2012 @ 9:06pm CDT

MINDVVIPE wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote: To try and say it doesn't count as legitimate because it's from the movies is the height of fallacious logic.

No one said that. What I was saying is that the movies suck, and so its no surprise to me that their idea of Cybertron sucks, as it seems like a downgrade, just like a bunch of other aspects of the movie in my opinion.

Fixed that for you. You'll find people more agreeable when you don't state opinions as facts.

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Posted by MINDVVIPE on May 16th, 2012 @ 9:09pm CDT

Brav-o

Its funny coz I even commented about what you just did a few posts back.
:lol:

Hey, in my opinion, I don't consider that my opinion, its a fact.
This should be obvious from the get-go. I'm not looking for agreeability. I'm just here to call it like I sees it.

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Posted by Capt.Failure on May 16th, 2012 @ 9:11pm CDT

MINDVVIPE wrote:Brav-o
Its funny coz I even commented about what you just did a few posts back.

Hey, in my opinion, I don't consider that my opinion, its a fact.

I'm sure the little world you live in were you're important is very nice. Now leave the thread so adults can talk. >:oP

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Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 9:15pm CDT

Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:Brav-o
Its funny coz I even commented about what you just did a few posts back.

Hey, in my opinion, I don't consider that my opinion, its a fact.

I'm sure the little world you live in were you're important is very nice. Now leave the thread so adults can talk. >:oP

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And you must be the king of the castle in yours have a nice night adults I'm sure we will repeat this tomorrow as soon as some says anything about what they think in their opinion

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Posted by Sabrblade on May 16th, 2012 @ 9:22pm CDT

Hotrodimust wrote:So but you are using the term die hard fan saying u are more of a fan than a casual fan sounds like just another way to say true fan bro u argue until u can feel like ur right at everything that is said have a nice night get over it true fan

That's different. A "die-hard fan" is a fan who feels the need to really invest him/herself in their his/her interest, wanting to know more and more about it so he/she can experience as much as possible. Whereas a "casual fan" is a fan who does not feel this need and that it perfectly acceptable.

A "true fan", like shadowman said, invokes a connotation of superiority in which one fan who considers him/herself a "true fan" condemns anyone whom he/she deems unworthy of being a fan.

"Die-hard fans" and "casual fans" are just as much fans as each other. The only difference between each is how invested in the interest each is. A casual fan can be someone who only watches the current cartoon (rather than all of them), or only collect the few toys they like (rather than as many as possible), or whatever else. Doesn't make them any less fans. While a die-hard fan may try to see and own everything. But both are still fans. Just different kinds of fans.

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Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 9:32pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:So but you are using the term die hard fan saying u are more of a fan than a casual fan sounds like just another way to say true fan bro u argue until u can feel like ur right at everything that is said have a nice night get over it true fan
That's different. A "die-hard fan" is a fan who feels the need to really invest him/herself in their his/her interest, wanting to know more and more about it so he/she can experience as much as possible. Whereas a "casual fan" is a fan who does not feel this need and that it perfectly acceptable.

A "true fan", like shadowman said, invokes a connotation of superiority in which one fan who considers him/herself a "true fan" condemns anyone whom he/she deems unworthy of being a fan.

"Die-hard fans" and "casual fans" are just as much fans as each other. The only difference between each is how invested in the interest each is. A casual fan can be someone who only watches the current cartoon (rather than all of them), or only collect the few toys they like (rather than as many as possible), or whatever else. Doesn't make them any less fans. While a die-hard fan may try to see and own everything. But both are still fans. Just different kinds of fans.

How does that make sense I don't think I'm better than anyone lol WOW no people are telling me what I think of my self doesn't get better than this. So I'm just gonna say I'm a die hard fan so no one thinks that I think that I'm better than everyone else. GOD I wish I was a gobot fan they don't have these problems. BEING TOLD WHAT YOU THINK (TRANSFOMER FAN PROBLEMS) lets see who gets that

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Posted by Sabrblade on May 16th, 2012 @ 9:37pm CDT

Hotrodimust wrote:How does that make sense I don't think I'm better than anyone lol WOW no people are telling me what I think of my self doesn't get better than this. So I'm just gonna say I'm a die hard fan so no one thinks that I think that I'm better than everyone else. GOD I wish I was a gobot fan they don't have these problems. BEING TOLD WHAT YOU THINK (TRANSFOMER FAN PROBLEMS) lets see who gets that

I'm not calling YOU a "true fan", I'm just describing what one is. You strike me as a "fan", or even a "die-hard fan", which is perfectly fine.

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Posted by Hotrodimust on May 16th, 2012 @ 9:46pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:How does that make sense I don't think I'm better than anyone lol WOW no people are telling me what I think of my self doesn't get better than this. So I'm just gonna say I'm a die hard fan so no one thinks that I think that I'm better than everyone else. GOD I wish I was a gobot fan they don't have these problems. BEING TOLD WHAT YOU THINK (TRANSFOMER FAN PROBLEMS) lets see who gets that
I'm not calling YOU a "true fan", I'm just describing what one is. You strike me as a "fan", or even a "die-hard fan", which is perfectly fine.

Ok I feel better now lol not to start another argument about it but I was just looking at the pictures of all the cybertrons and the movie one looks like when you peel the leather off a baseball all the layer yarn or what ever it is. And I'm just saying that's what I kinda see not that it is I think we need to demand a virtual tour of cybertron from hasbro so we can put this to rest because I feel sorry for the sucker who is still on page 2 of the topic and has to read all this to catch up lol

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Posted by Shadowman on May 16th, 2012 @ 11:10pm CDT

MINDVVIPE wrote:Hey, in my opinion, I don't consider that my opinion, its a fact.

Absolutely not. I can't say you're wrong for not liking Cybertron's design in DOTM. But now you're actually trying to pass your opinions off as fact, that's wrong. Your opinion is, ultimately, meaningless here; you don't get to decide what is fact or not.

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Posted by MINDVVIPE on May 16th, 2012 @ 11:21pm CDT

Shadowman wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:Hey, in my opinion, I don't consider that my opinion, its a fact.

Absolutely not. I can't say you're wrong for not liking Cybertron's design in DOTM. But now you're actually trying to pass your opinions off as fact, that's wrong. Your opinion is, ultimately, meaningless here; you don't get to decide what is fact or not.

Oy vey.
Dude you missed what I was trying to say. I was making the point that my opinion is fact TO ME, just because it is my opinion. I was just saying it to mess with buddy since he was going off about opinion this and opinion that. It was a joke given how everyones opinion sort of is a fact for them, and so on. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, it was just a random little wierd way of thinking about shit.

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