Nexus Knight wrote:This... this newest is awesome. I've never thought of Cybertron having organic lifeforms, but it makes so much sense (I know, they've been introduced before in this series). Just seeing Prowl with the dinobird is great.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the first we're seeing of Megatron's actual politics? Beyond the surface "things need to change". He's basically saying that the Autobots as a ruling class are being too restrictive? Am I the only one interpreting this way?
Second time, the first in depth look was the end of Book 2 or 3 when someone fired on Megatron during his speech, but this is a much more in depth look at Cybertron’s past and past politics than we have gotten.Nexus Knight wrote:This... this newest is awesome. I've never thought of Cybertron having organic lifeforms, but it makes so much sense (I know, they've been introduced before in this series). Just seeing Prowl with the dinobird is great.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the first we're seeing of Megatron's actual politics? Beyond the surface "things need to change". He's basically saying that the Autobots as a ruling class are being too restrictive? Am I the only one interpreting this way?
Coptur wrote:Honestly i'm happy for those that are enjoying this.
..but here we go again the "Autobots are bad wah wah" this is NOT Megatron.
Megatron should be a power hungry **** no more no less. Idw please please stop justifying your villain it ruins your villain sometimes people are just ****holes simple as that.
Coptur wrote:Honestly i'm happy for those that are enjoying this.
..but here we go again the "Autobots are bad wah wah" this is NOT Megatron.
Megatron should be a power hungry **** no more no less. Idw please please stop justifying your villain it ruins your villain sometimes people are just ****holes simple as that.
Randomhero wrote:Coptur wrote:Honestly i'm happy for those that are enjoying this.
..but here we go again the "Autobots are bad wah wah" this is NOT Megatron.
Megatron should be a power hungry **** no more no less. Idw please please stop justifying your villain it ruins your villain sometimes people are just ****holes simple as that.
Yeeeeeeah Megatron was a one note villain for over 20 years that just cackled and screamed domination with no depth. No thanks. I’d rather have characters that are interesting and have a good background.
Coptur wrote:Randomhero wrote:Coptur wrote:Honestly i'm happy for those that are enjoying this.
..but here we go again the "Autobots are bad wah wah" this is NOT Megatron.
Megatron should be a power hungry **** no more no less. Idw please please stop justifying your villain it ruins your villain sometimes people are just ****holes simple as that.
Yeeeeeeah Megatron was a one note villain for over 20 years that just cackled and screamed domination with no depth. No thanks. I’d rather have characters that are interesting and have a good background.
Yeah I can see and understand the container argument.
but if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Making your heroes out to be the bad guy faction isn't good writing either.
Megatron isn't Magneto and and should never be Magneto and doesn't need those layers.
By robbing the Leader-1 / Cy-Kill backstory you aren't doing anything new.
Glad you're liking this take on Megatron though, i guess this just isn't for me anymore.
Randomhero wrote:Coptur wrote:Randomhero wrote:Coptur wrote:Honestly i'm happy for those that are enjoying this.
..but here we go again the "Autobots are bad wah wah" this is NOT Megatron.
Megatron should be a power hungry **** no more no less. Idw please please stop justifying your villain it ruins your villain sometimes people are just ****holes simple as that.
Yeeeeeeah Megatron was a one note villain for over 20 years that just cackled and screamed domination with no depth. No thanks. I’d rather have characters that are interesting and have a good background.
Yeah I can see and understand the container argument.
but if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Making your heroes out to be the bad guy faction isn't good writing either.
Megatron isn't Magneto and and should never be Magneto and doesn't need those layers.
By robbing the Leader-1 / Cy-Kill backstory you aren't doing anything new.
Glad you're liking this take on Megatron though, i guess this just isn't for me anymore.
Except it was broke which made those characters not that memorable. When a character just cackles and screams evil things. That’s not great. It worked for a children’s cartoon 35 years ago but not nowadays.
This is also a Megatron that hasnt started the war yet. It’s inevitable he will lose his way but guess what? That’s how most villains start.
The most memorable villains in media have tragic origins that made them who they were. Even going back to transformers with Beast Wars Megatron. A character that was evil but he was evil because he was created on the side of the war that lost and grew up oppressed and became obsessed with changing his heritage.
What you’re wanting is the very thing that people have complained about with the first half of the marvel movies. That the villains were just cookie cutter one dimensional characters that were evil to just be evil and was a big criticism for some of those movies.
Nobody wants what you’re asking for because it doesn’t work
Coptur wrote:Randomhero wrote:Coptur wrote:Randomhero wrote:Coptur wrote:Honestly i'm happy for those that are enjoying this.
..but here we go again the "Autobots are bad wah wah" this is NOT Megatron.
Megatron should be a power hungry **** no more no less. Idw please please stop justifying your villain it ruins your villain sometimes people are just ****holes simple as that.
Yeeeeeeah Megatron was a one note villain for over 20 years that just cackled and screamed domination with no depth. No thanks. I’d rather have characters that are interesting and have a good background.
Yeah I can see and understand the container argument.
but if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Making your heroes out to be the bad guy faction isn't good writing either.
Megatron isn't Magneto and and should never be Magneto and doesn't need those layers.
By robbing the Leader-1 / Cy-Kill backstory you aren't doing anything new.
Glad you're liking this take on Megatron though, i guess this just isn't for me anymore.
Except it was broke which made those characters not that memorable. When a character just cackles and screams evil things. That’s not great. It worked for a children’s cartoon 35 years ago but not nowadays.
This is also a Megatron that hasnt started the war yet. It’s inevitable he will lose his way but guess what? That’s how most villains start.
The most memorable villains in media have tragic origins that made them who they were. Even going back to transformers with Beast Wars Megatron. A character that was evil but he was evil because he was created on the side of the war that lost and grew up oppressed and became obsessed with changing his heritage.
What you’re wanting is the very thing that people have complained about with the first half of the marvel movies. That the villains were just cookie cutter one dimensional characters that were evil to just be evil and was a big criticism for some of those movies.
Nobody wants what you’re asking for because it doesn’t work
I understand to take out the saturday morning cartoon element i agree but you shouldn't feel sorry for your villains. never.
I can see that but i doesn't stand for all villains Norman Osborn was nasty before he became the Green Goblin for example.
Now I think you have beast wars all wrong the Predacons were not 'oppressed' that was just the political dogma Megatron spouted to gain followers and to take total power for him self (sound familiar to a real life example) so much much so he wanted to kill the ultimate good in auto/max history to gain said power Optimus Prime. He was greying the lines between the Predacons and Maximals. It wasn't the maximals being evil the writers should not grey the lines between good and evil. People incredibly ticked off people with Hydra Captain America (rightly so) and the constant hero vs hero stories, no one wants that either.
Again not true Abomination had a full character arc (corrupted by power), Loki again not exactly a cookie cutter. Iron Monger a full nasty character arc. (i'll give you Malaketh but that film was rubbish anyway).
No one is asking for all villains to have multiple layers either. the writers to should refer back to budiansky's profiles for where the character came from imo.
I do appreciate your side though
Randomhero wrote:But they were oppressed. The episode that introduced the Tripredacus Council explained that after the war the predacons were oppressed in ways and were treated as second class citizens. And BW megatrons plan by the end of season two was to wipe out not just the autobots and maximals by killing Optimus Prime it was to wipe himself out so his ancestors ancestors would become the victors of the war. That very act would destroy himself too and he knew it.
Randomhero wrote:But they were oppressed. The episode that introduced the Tripredacus Council explained that after the war the predacons were oppressed in ways and were treated as second class citizens. And BW megatrons plan by the end of season two was to wipe out not just the autobots and maximals by killing Optimus Prime it was to wipe himself out so his ancestors ancestors would become the victors of the war. That very act would destroy himself too and he knew it.
Randomhero wrote:But they were oppressed. The episode that introduced the Tripredacus Council explained that after the war the predacons were oppressed in ways and were treated as second class citizens. And BW megatrons plan by the end of season two was to wipe out not just the autobots and maximals by killing Optimus Prime it was to wipe himself out so his ancestors ancestors would become the victors of the war. That very act would destroy himself too and he knew it.
Randomhero wrote:But they were oppressed. The episode that introduced the Tripredacus Council explained that after the war the predacons were oppressed in ways and were treated as second class citizens. And BW megatrons plan by the end of season two was to wipe out not just the autobots and maximals by killing Optimus Prime it was to wipe himself out so his ancestors ancestors would become the victors of the war. That very act would destroy himself too and he knew it.
Coptur wrote:Randomhero wrote:But they were oppressed. The episode that introduced the Tripredacus Council explained that after the war the predacons were oppressed in ways and were treated as second class citizens. And BW megatrons plan by the end of season two was to wipe out not just the autobots and maximals by killing Optimus Prime it was to wipe himself out so his ancestors ancestors would become the victors of the war. That very act would destroy himself too and he knew it.
The Tripredous council no doubt 'believed' that and told the masses the same, don't forget they had their own plans in motion which are some what put on hold by BW Megatron. Peace would feel oppressive to war mongers and haters they would say and do anything (i.e lie) to have full power back in their court.
Megatron didn't fall victim to the time-nado his plan would've killed only Autobots whereas later on Tarantulas saw the opportunity to do the same but to both factions (in turn serving the Tripredacus Council) by wiping out the Ark with all on board.
Coptur wrote:Randomhero wrote:But they were oppressed. The episode that introduced the Tripredacus Council explained that after the war the predacons were oppressed in ways and were treated as second class citizens. And BW megatrons plan by the end of season two was to wipe out not just the autobots and maximals by killing Optimus Prime it was to wipe himself out so his ancestors ancestors would become the victors of the war. That very act would destroy himself too and he knew it.
The Tripredous council no doubt 'believed' that and told the masses the same, don't forget they had their own plans in motion which are some what put on hold by BW Megatron. Peace would feel oppressive to war mongers and haters they would say and do anything (i.e lie) to have full power back in their court.
Megatron didn't fall victim to the time-nado his plan would've killed only Autobots whereas later on Tarantulas saw the opportunity to do the same but to both factions (in turn serving the Tripredacus Council) by wiping out the Ark with all on board.
is only creating plausible deniability in a story where there is none. The writers have told us through the writing that the Predacons were born of a downtrodden loser of a bloody. Costly war. Take that at face value because its Canon.The Tripredous council no doubt 'believed' that and told the masses the same, don't forget they had their own plans in motion which are some what put on hold by BW Megatron. Peace would feel oppressive to war mongers and haters they would say and do anything (i.e lie) to have full power back in their court.
