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New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Friday, January 16th, 2015 3:57PM CST

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Here's another two galleries on Seibertron.com to help you through the final Friday lurch and the start of a good weekend - and another blast from the past it is! We're proud to finally show two very interesting redecos of Powermaster Optimus Prime and God Ginrai from Super God Masterforce.

First up is Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and Nebulan Powermaster partner Hi-Q, a 2001 Japanese Toys'R'Us Exclusive black redeco of the Optimus figure, including beam cannons and rifle, and the super robot head. The second bot is the fantastically orange Fire Guts God Ginrai (homaged in the 2014 BotCon set) formed by Godbomber and Super Ginrai, released in 2002 also as Japanese exclusive. Head below and through the galleries for more!


Super God Masterforce Nucleon Quest Super Convoy

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai


Super God Masterforce Nucleon Quest Hi-Q

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai


Super God Masterforce Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai


Super God Masterforce Fire Guts Godbomber

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai


Super God Masterforce Fire Guts Super Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai


Super God Masterforce Fire Guts Ginrai

Transformers News: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai

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Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1639934)
Posted by ScottyP on January 16th, 2015 @ 5:11pm CST
One of the best reissues from that era, something about that mold where my reissue feels higher quality than the original.

Love the Fire Guts deco. Passed up on a great deal for Nucleon Quest back at TF Con. Damn this whole "making responsible choices" thing! Always wished that version also had the God Bomber done up in black too.

Maybe if they ever get around to an MP Ginrai we can see some of these decos again!
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1639942)
Posted by shajaki on January 16th, 2015 @ 5:24pm CST
=P~ =P~ =P~

one day.... one day...
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1639951)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 16th, 2015 @ 6:01pm CST
Super Convoy is pretty cool from a fictional standpoint. Though he's part of the Japanese G1 cartoon continuity, his backstory contains elements from the Hasbro packaging backstory of the Action Masters and the Marvel Comics origin of Powermaster Optimus Prime. The toy's backstory introduced Nebulos, Nebulan Binary-Bonding, the Hasbro Powermaster concept, the Nebulan scientist Hi-Q, and Nucleon into the Japanese continuity; and placed the setting of this toy's backstory after Operation Combination right before G-2, sort of in a "G1.5" era.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1654963)
Posted by Va'al on February 23rd, 2015 @ 12:45am CST
In 1990, the Transformers Zone OVA videocassette was released in Japan, collecting the entirety of the Victory sequel - consisting of just the one episode! The 'series' follows new Autobot leader Dai Atlas, and focused on the Micromasters, in their Planet Zone defense base. Among them, Rabbicrater, commander of Zone City's lunar base and pilot, the newest offering in the Seibertron.com galleries!


The Rabbicrater figure itself is a blue redeco of the 1989 Skystalker mold, and transforms into a Porsche 959 sports car. Purchasing the OVA videocassette was the only means to acquire the figure too, and you can take a look at both items in our galleries, by clicking on any image below!

Zone Rabbicrater

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Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1654971)
Posted by RhA on February 23rd, 2015 @ 12:57am CST
This is exactly the kind of stuff I love. Beautiful artwork and an obscure toy.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655041)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 23rd, 2015 @ 9:12am CST
Didn't realize how similar Metrobomb looks to both Skystalker and Rabbicrater, essentially using the former's altmode colors and the latter's robot mode colors.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655049)
Posted by ScottyP on February 23rd, 2015 @ 9:31am CST
Woo hoo, Zone stuff! Love it. The bots from this era really need more reissues, there are some plain stellar toys from Zone/Return of Convoy that take the Micromasters to another level of fun.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655072)
Posted by Desslok2201 on February 23rd, 2015 @ 10:09am CST
It's things like this that make me realize how many holes there are in my collection
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655436)
Posted by monstrinhotron on February 24th, 2015 @ 4:43am CST
Rabbi-Crater? that might be the oddest TF name since Erector.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655468)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 24th, 2015 @ 7:16am CST
monstrinhotron wrote:Rabbi-Crater? that might be the oddest TF name since Erector.
The name comes from the Japanese folklore legend of the Rabbit of the Moon, as opposed to the Western forklore legend of the Man in the Moon.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655477)
Posted by RhA on February 24th, 2015 @ 7:32am CST
Desslok2201 wrote:It's things like this that make me realize how many holes there are in my collection

Yeah. I've got a Dai Atlas-sized hole in my collection.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655484)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 24th, 2015 @ 7:54am CST
RhA wrote:
Desslok2201 wrote:It's things like this that make me realize how many holes there are in my collection

Yeah. I've got a Dai Atlas-sized hole in my collection.


I don't ;) Got the Kabaya kits of the Powered Masters, and they're great!

Sabrblade wrote:
monstrinhotron wrote:Rabbi-Crater? that might be the oddest TF name since Erector.
The name comes from the Japanese folklore legend of the Rabbit of the Moon, as opposed to the Western forklore legend of the Man in the Moon.


Japan has a lot of weird names, and Rabbicrater isn't weird, considering.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655859)
Posted by Amelie on February 25th, 2015 @ 12:54am CST
I once had the misfortune a few years back to pass up on buying Rabbicrater for 50p (yes, FIFTY pence) because I didn't collect Micromasters. I passed on it, despite thinking "I'm sure that toy isn't normally blue".

Oh, ignorance is a terrible, terrible thing - if only I'd known! That said... I still don't research my japanese TFs nearly as much as I ought to. :P
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655864)
Posted by fenrir72 on February 25th, 2015 @ 1:36am CST
Amelie wrote:I once had the misfortune a few years back to pass up on buying Rabbicrater for 50p (yes, FIFTY pence) because I didn't collect Micromasters. I passed on it, despite thinking "I'm sure that toy isn't normally blue".

Oh, ignorance is a terrible, terrible thing - if only I'd known! That said... I still don't research my japanese TFs nearly as much as I ought to. :P


You're not the only one. Passed the opportunity to get a roughly $40. Dezaras because I wasn't familiar with him back then in 1992. :BOOM:
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655865)
Posted by fenrir72 on February 25th, 2015 @ 1:39am CST
Amelie wrote:I once had the misfortune a few years back to pass up on buying Rabbicrater for 50p (yes, FIFTY pence) because I didn't collect Micromasters. I passed on it, despite thinking "I'm sure that toy isn't normally blue".

Oh, ignorance is a terrible, terrible thing - if only I'd known! That said... I still don't research my japanese TFs nearly as much as I ought to. :P


You're not the only one. Passed the opportunity to get a roughly $40 Dezaras because I wasn't familiar with him back then in 1992. :BOOM:
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655871)
Posted by RhA on February 25th, 2015 @ 2:34am CST
fenrir72 wrote:
Amelie wrote:I once had the misfortune a few years back to pass up on buying Rabbicrater for 50p (yes, FIFTY pence) because I didn't collect Micromasters. I passed on it, despite thinking "I'm sure that toy isn't normally blue".

Oh, ignorance is a terrible, terrible thing - if only I'd known! That said... I still don't research my japanese TFs nearly as much as I ought to. :P


You're not the only one. Passed the opportunity to get a roughly $40. Dezaras because I wasn't familiar with him back then in 1992. :BOOM:

Both these posts are so terrible even I feel the pain.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655877)
Posted by Amelie on February 25th, 2015 @ 3:12am CST
I only remember so specifically because it was blue and I kept thinking "Should've bought it. Its a different colour" after I'd gone home :P
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655918)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 25th, 2015 @ 6:50am CST
fenrir72 wrote:
Amelie wrote:I once had the misfortune a few years back to pass up on buying Rabbicrater for 50p (yes, FIFTY pence) because I didn't collect Micromasters. I passed on it, despite thinking "I'm sure that toy isn't normally blue".

Oh, ignorance is a terrible, terrible thing - if only I'd known! That said... I still don't research my japanese TFs nearly as much as I ought to. :P


You're not the only one. Passed the opportunity to get a roughly $40 Dezaras because I wasn't familiar with him back then in 1992. :BOOM:
Though not nearly as old as those two figures, I once passed on getting a sweet deal on a Beast Wars Telemocha Series Archadis to go with the BWTMS Waspeeter that I did get because, at the time, my primary goal was getting the BWTMS toys of just the American characters, forgetting that I also wanted the pack-in DVDs that came with each figure (including Archadis). :BANG_HEAD:
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655923)
Posted by megatronus on February 25th, 2015 @ 8:12am CST
People stop you're making me :BOOM: :BOOM: :BOOM:
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1655950)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 25th, 2015 @ 9:47am CST
Amelie wrote:I once had the misfortune a few years back to pass up on buying Rabbicrater for 50p (yes, FIFTY pence) because I didn't collect Micromasters. I passed on it, despite thinking "I'm sure that toy isn't normally blue".


And I still hate you for that, I so wanted that one! :sad:

(kidding sweetie, I still love you *hugs*)
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1664413)
Posted by redoutlander on March 19th, 2015 @ 12:32pm CDT
These are some cool looking guys. I don't think that Hasbro or Shout would ever release english dubs, but I think it would be awsome to get a rerelease of this or some other Japan only stuf from the Headmaster/Victory/Masterforce era with a pack-in episode. I'd even take one with the same old school art cover!
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671668)
Posted by Va'al on April 6th, 2015 @ 4:12am CDT
The Transformers franchise is currently all abuzz with Combiner Wars, so Seibertron.com has decided to take some time to showcase some earlier combiners too, and quite an update to our galleries and the fandom it is. They've shown up in the IDW comics (in Empire of Stone and the cover of this week's MTMTE), they're linked to the recent Masterpiece Star Saber figure - time to feast your optics and receptors on Liokaiser and the single Breastforce members: Leozack and Lionbreast, Drillhorn and Hornbreast, Guyhawk and Hawkbreast, Hellbat and Kōmoribreast, Jallguar and Jaguarbreast, Killbison and Bisonbreast!

Not only is the full set really quite expensive (the box set alone goes for $750 to $1,800 depending on the condition), it's also really hard to find them now in good condition, and to get the stickers to stay put due to the age of the adhesive and the toys - Seibertron took all his time and care to apply and reapply them for the galleries. And if that wasn't enough, Killbison is made of the extremely fragile gold plastic.

So, all that said, sit back, scroll down, click on any of the images below, and let us know what you think of Liokaiser and the team members of the Breastforce below. And who knows, maybe we can get Hasbro or Takara to include them in a late Combiner Wars re-imagining...


Victory Liokaiser

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Victory Leozack

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Victory Gaihawk

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Victory Hellbat

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Victory Jarugar

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Victory Killbison

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Victory Drillhorn

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Victory Lionbreast

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Victory Hawkbreast

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Victory Komoribreast

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Victory Jaguarbreast

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Victory Bisonbreast

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Victory Hornbreast

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Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671673)
Posted by RhA on April 6th, 2015 @ 4:38am CDT
Glorious.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671679)
Posted by Jeen0808 on April 6th, 2015 @ 5:01am CDT
More combiner galleries, eh? 2001's Robots in Disguise Landfill, anyone?
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671680)
Posted by ausbot on April 6th, 2015 @ 5:04am CDT
This needs to be re-issued like now but with better paint jobs on the single figures heads, and with a bonus Deathcobra.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671695)
Posted by Rated X on April 6th, 2015 @ 6:32am CDT
The "breast force" ? :lol:

Nice galleries as always, but what were they thinking ? That was the sake talking I guess...
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671700)
Posted by Desslok2201 on April 6th, 2015 @ 7:12am CDT
ausbot wrote:This needs to be re-issued like now but with better paint jobs on the single figures heads, and with a bonus Deathcobra.

I was really hoping that this was going to be Encore #24- I thought Fort Max being rereleased meant anything was possible
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671702)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 6th, 2015 @ 7:19am CDT
Rated X wrote:The "breast force" ? :lol:

Nice galleries as always, but what were they thinking ? That was the sake talking I guess...


Our English is used a bit differently in Japan, a bit more liberal in overall definitions (like "smart" for "small"). Besides, it doesn't really refer to mammary glands per se, more like to their transforming Breastplates (yes, they are called that, and they do exist!).

Good to see the God of Combiners being in the spotlight in the galleries. :APPLAUSE: This deserves a video:

Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671735)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 6th, 2015 @ 8:51am CDT
Liokaiser was the best combiner of any 1980's Transformers fiction, being the only combiner who wasn't shown off all at once, but rather, was built up little by little over time, with each of his components getting some focus before the last member finally arrived and the time came for all of them to combine for the very first time, in which we got an epic fight scene that had Liokaiser actually come very close to winning. And every time he would return, he was virtually unbeatable. 8)
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671743)
Posted by fenrir72 on April 6th, 2015 @ 9:20am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Liokaiser was the best combiner of any 1980's Transformers fiction, being the only combiner who wasn't shown off all at once, but rather, was built up little by little over time, with each of his components getting some focus before the last member finally arrived and the time came for all of them to combine for the very first time, in which we got an epic fight scene that had Liokaiser actually come very close to winning. And every time he would return, he was virtually unbeatable. 8)


Talk about real character development despite being a kids(?) show.Poor Cobra.......
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671750)
Posted by Seibertron on April 6th, 2015 @ 9:38am CDT
fenrir72 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Liokaiser was the best combiner of any 1980's Transformers fiction, being the only combiner who wasn't shown off all at once, but rather, was built up little by little over time, with each of his components getting some focus before the last member finally arrived and the time came for all of them to combine for the very first time, in which we got an epic fight scene that had Liokaiser actually come very close to winning. And every time he would return, he was virtually unbeatable. 8)


Talk about real character development despite being a kids(?) show.Poor Cobra.......



Poor Deathcobra indeed ...

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Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671751)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 6th, 2015 @ 9:39am CDT
Hey, any chance we'll see their European Autobot Counterparts? Their names suck though:

Rescue Force (Leozack)
Rescue Force 1 (Killbison)
Rescue Force 2 (Jallguar/Jarugar)
Rescue Force 3 (Drillhorn)

Big Rescue Force (Liokaiser)
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671759)
Posted by Seibertron on April 6th, 2015 @ 10:06am CDT
Jeen0808 wrote:More combiner galleries, eh? 2001's Robots in Disguise Landfill, anyone?


They're on my list hopefully for later this year. I've got them pulled out of storage right now so that I can do their galleries at long last along with all of the other Constructicon galleries that are missing aside from the initial Constructicons and the Micromaster Constructicons.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671760)
Posted by Seibertron on April 6th, 2015 @ 10:11am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Hey, any chance we'll see their European Autobot Counterparts? Their names suck though:

Rescue Force (Leozack)
Rescue Force 1 (Killbison)
Rescue Force 2 (Jallguar/Jarugar)
Rescue Force 3 (Drillhorn)

Big Rescue Force (Liokaiser)


You bet! Except I don't think I'm going to go with those ridiculous names (other than Big Rescue Force). It's obvious from those absurd names, as well as how they were portrayed in their one fictional appearance, that the writer had no idea what he was doing. "Rescue Force Jet Type", for example, will suffice similar to the unnamed Hasbro Powerdashers, which technically go by Powerdasher Drill Type, etc.

I also finished up the 13 necessary galleries for the Multiforce which includes Landcross, the 6 individual Multiforce members, and the 6 primary combinations (such as "Wingwaver" and "Waverwing") along with 1 shot of their other combinations along with using the reissue for the combination with itself (i.e. "Wingwing", "Dashdash" and so on).

The Rescue Force and the reissue Multiforce are next on my list, followed by Masterpiece Star Saber.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671764)
Posted by ScottyP on April 6th, 2015 @ 10:19am CDT
Victory has been assaulting my eyes, ears, hands, and face (somehow) over the past couple weeks. I feel so out of the loop, having never watched the series. :oops:

To that end, just bought the Shout DVD set of Victory off Amazon. I'll be in on these jokes and such soon. Well, probably not soon, but within a few months.


Edit: Can someone explain to me where Lio"kaiser" comes from? See below for source of this question.
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Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671783)
Posted by Seibertron on April 6th, 2015 @ 11:00am CDT
ScottyP wrote:Edit: Can someone explain to me where Lio"kaiser" comes from? See below for source of this question.
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The English names of many of the Victory characters, along with many other Japanese Transformers, are complicated by the Engrish on the boxes, the pronunciations in the shows, and the translations of their Japanese names. Other conflicting names are Minerva (Minelba), Jallugar (Jarugar or simply Jaguar depending on who you ask), Deszaras versus Deathsaurus, Brestforce versus Breastforce, Gaihawk versus Guyhawk, Liokaiser (pronounced like a "kaiser" roll) versus Road Caesar (pronounced like Julius "Caesar"). Other honorable mentions with screwy names and/or spellings are the Trainbots and the Dinoforce members. I don't have a specific answer to your question. As for the spellings on Seibertron, I usually do a bit of research first, and then list them based on what appears to be the most common acceptance of their name. It's not perfect, but it seems to work for the most part.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671786)
Posted by Seibertron on April 6th, 2015 @ 11:04am CDT
The real question I have is ... what the heck happened to their non-breastplate weapons? It's obvious to me that they were planned to have a secondary weapon at some point. This image from one of the Million Publishing books shows an image of what appears to be their individual weapons as well as a weapon similar to the weapon Liokaiser has in the cartoon. The combination aspect of these weapons is very similar to the combination of the Multiforce figures as well. It's a bummer that this set doesn't have these weapons ... it would be an even better set than it already is if they had them.

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Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671787)
Posted by ScottyP on April 6th, 2015 @ 11:07am CDT
Seibertron wrote:The real question I have is ... what the heck happened to their non-breastplate weapons? It's obvious to me that they were planned to have a secondary weapon at some point. This image from one of the Million Publishing books shows an image of what appears to be their individual weapons as well as a weapon similar to the weapon Liokaiser has in the cartoon. The combination aspect of these weapons is very similar to the combination of the Multiforce figures as well. It's a bummer that this set doesn't have these weapons ... it would be an even better set than it already is if they had them.

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Just speculation (obviously, I hope), but maybe those were the plan and then they went to the Breastforce weapons? Maybe they were going to be "DX Micromasters" like Landcross with melee weapons to counter their blasters and things changed? Only logical explanation I can come up with other than budget.

Those weapons and their combination reminds me a great deal of the ones that came with the Cyberverse sized Beast Hunters Predacons.
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671793)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 6th, 2015 @ 11:15am CDT
Seibertron wrote:
ScottyP wrote:Edit: Can someone explain to me where Lio"kaiser" comes from? See below for source of this question.
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The English names of many of the Victory characters, along with many other Japanese Transformers, are complicated by the Engrish on the boxes, the pronunciations in the shows, and the translations of their Japanese names. Other conflicting names are Minerva (Minelba), Jallugar (Jarugar or simply Jaguar depending on who you ask), Deszaras versus Deathsaurus, Brestforce versus Breastforce, Gaihawk versus Guyhawk, Liokaiser (pronounced like a "kaiser" roll) versus Road Caesar (pronounced like Julius "Caesar"). Other honorable mentions with screwy names and/or spellings are the Trainbots and the Dinoforce members. I don't have a specific answer to your question. As for the spellings on Seibertron, I usually do a bit of research first, and then list them based on what appears to be the most common acceptance of their name. It's not perfect, but it seems to work for the most part.


It takes a bit Latin know-how for the "Caesar" part. You see, Victory actually used two pronunciations for that word:

1) For Liokaiser, the archaic correct "kaisar" (from which the German "Kaiser", Dutch "Keizer" and even Russian "Czar" are derived). In Japan that's rendered as カイザー (kaizā)
2) For Road Caesar, the more common English "seezah". Rendered in Japanese as シーザー (shizā)

Both are considered "correct", depending who you ask. The first one is used more often in mecha anime in various English spellings, like "Kizer".
Re: New Galleries: C-307X Nucleon Quest Super Convoy and C-310E Fire Guts God Ginrai (1671794)
Posted by ScottyP on April 6th, 2015 @ 11:17am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It takes a bit Latin know-how for the "Caesar" part. You see, Victory actually used two pronunciations for that word:

1) For Liokaiser, the archaic correct "kaisar" (from which the German "Kaiser", Dutch "Keizer" and even Russian "Czar" are derived). In Japan that's rendered as カイザー (kaizā)
2) For Road Caesar, the more common English "seezah". Rendered in Japanese as シーザー (shizā)

The first one is used more often in mecha anime in various English spellings, like "Kizer".

I knew I could count on you! Cool stuff, and it makes my brain happy. Thanks :)
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Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 6th, 2015 @ 12:03pm CDT
ScottyP wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It takes a bit Latin know-how for the "Caesar" part. You see, Victory actually used two pronunciations for that word:

1) For Liokaiser, the archaic correct "kaisar" (from which the German "Kaiser", Dutch "Keizer" and even Russian "Czar" are derived). In Japan that's rendered as カイザー (kaizā)
2) For Road Caesar, the more common English "seezah". Rendered in Japanese as シーザー (shizā)

The first one is used more often in mecha anime in various English spellings, like "Kizer".

I knew I could count on you! Cool stuff, and it makes my brain happy. Thanks :)


Informally we use the different spellings (German vs. Latin) to differentiate between pronunciations. It's not as bad as "Gregevor" or "Rartorata" thankfully :lol:
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Posted by Black Bumblebee on April 6th, 2015 @ 12:13pm CDT
I agree. This could really use a reissue. I would buy it in a heart-beat for its uniqueness. Ah well... until then, I have the cruddy dime store knock off...
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Posted by fenrir72 on April 6th, 2015 @ 6:31pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Liokaiser was the best combiner of any 1980's Transformers fiction, being the only combiner who wasn't shown off all at once, but rather, was built up little by little over time, with each of his components getting some focus before the last member finally arrived and the time came for all of them to combine for the very first time, in which we got an epic fight scene that had Liokaiser actually come very close to winning. And every time he would return, he was virtually unbeatable. 8)


Talk about real character development despite being a kids(?) show.Poor Cobra.......



Poor Deathcobra indeed ...

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Killings and destruction yey! But Leozack was so stoopid to believe that Hori could......(spoilers) you guys know what I mean.

If Tomy can eer get to restoring the Mastermolds of these guys, Deathsaurus especially, no need for an MP one to go toe to toe with MP Star Saber.

Btw Ryan, any chance for a comparison pic between MP Star Saber and G1 Deathsaurus? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeee? :PRAY:
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Posted by Seibertron on April 6th, 2015 @ 7:23pm CDT
fenrir72 wrote:Btw Ryan, any chance for a comparison pic between MP Star Saber and G1 Deathsaurus? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeee? :PRAY:


I can do that but there's not much to see since Deszaras was shorter than G1 Star Saber.
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Posted by grimdragon2001 on April 6th, 2015 @ 8:38pm CDT
Ya know, it would be nice if Has/Tak made a Combiner Wars Liokaieser.
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Posted by fenrir72 on April 7th, 2015 @ 1:02am CDT
Seibertron wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:Btw Ryan, any chance for a comparison pic between MP Star Saber and G1 Deathsaurus? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeee? :PRAY:


I can do that but there's not much to see since Deszaras was shorter than G1 Star Saber.


Make a heroic samurai slicing the enemy pose just like Kenshin Himura does and Dezaras falling..... =P~ that would be priceless(I know of the poseability limitations but couple that with the smoke effect you did for Exhaust........ :x )
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Posted by Noideaforaname on April 7th, 2015 @ 9:44am CDT
I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.
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Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 7th, 2015 @ 9:54am CDT
Noideaforaname wrote:I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.


The RiD Teams had them too, and so did some of the teams from the Brave series.
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Posted by Seibertron on April 7th, 2015 @ 10:18am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Noideaforaname wrote:I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.


The RiD Teams had them too, and so did some of the teams from the Brave series.


The Brave series doesn't count. Which RID Teams had them?
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Posted by Sabrblade on April 7th, 2015 @ 10:21am CDT
Seibertron wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Noideaforaname wrote:I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.


The RiD Teams had them too, and so did some of the teams from the Brave series.


The Brave series doesn't count. Which RID Teams had them?
I think JelZe might mean that Team Bullet Train and the Build Team also head themed helmets like these guys do. Though, while the Breastforce has animal-themed helmets, Team Bullet Train has, well, bullet train-themed helmets and the Build Team has construction vehicle-themed helmets (Wedge's helmet is bulldozer-themed, Heavy Load's is dump truck-themed, etc.).

If not that, then I dunno either. :oops:

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