New Transformers: The Last Knight "Rethink The Past" Teaser featuring Ironhide, Starscream, More

Holy sh*t, I am SO stoked to see this movie!! These pictures can totally be part of spin-offs, including that WWII version of Bumblebee in The Bumblebee Movie.

SnoopDawg wrote:Holy sh*t, I am SO stoked to see this movie!! These pictures can totally be part of spin-offs, including that WWII version of Bumblebee in The Bumblebee Movie.

I saw that too! That definitely looked cool, a WWII Bumblebee! Hopefully makes a good toy

thats.........


......actually interesting.

i STILL dont believe bays capable of delivering an actual film with a decent plot/storyline but it at the very least show's effort.

itll probably still suck but if more stuff like this comes out and its actually addressed decently in the film we could finally have afilm where the writers won out.

SnoopDawg wrote:Holy sh*t, I am SO stoked to see this movie!! These pictures can totally be part of spin-offs, including that WWII version of Bumblebee in The Bumblebee Movie.

I'm pretty sure that's what this is a "preview" or hint at what the Bumblebee prequel is going to be about.

I can totally see Starscream manipulating the "lesser insects" to start wars to either make the Autobots show up or to make humans spend their war resources so that their less prepared for the Decepticons.

This is totally the movie to see characters who died in previous movies like say Blackout or Brawl would be good in that kind of movie.

partholon wrote:i STILL dont believe bays capable of delivering an actual film with a decent plot/storyline

Well, of course not. That's the writer's job.

Deadput wrote:

SnoopDawg wrote:Holy sh*t, I am SO stoked to see this movie!! These pictures can totally be part of spin-offs, including that WWII version of Bumblebee in The Bumblebee Movie.

I'm pretty sure that's what this is a "preview" or hint at what the Bumblebee prequel is going to be about.

I can totally see Starscream manipulating the "lesser insects" to start wars to either make the Autobots show up or to make humans spend their war resources so that their less prepared for the Decepticons.

This is totally the movie to see characters who died in previous movies like say Blackout or Brawl would be good in that kind of movie.

Clearly this means that the Bumblebee intro they gave in Transformers: The Game (2007) is not canon. I mean it was obvious before, but this confirms it.

SnoopDawg wrote:
Clearly this means that the Bumblebee intro they gave in Transformers: The Game (2007) is not canon. I mean it was obvious before, but this confirms it.

None of the video games have ever been canon not even the DOTM game.

Same goes for comics the film makers have never seen them as canon and if it was not evident before it is now.

Sabrblade wrote:

partholon wrote:i STILL dont believe bays capable of delivering an actual film with a decent plot/storyline

Well, of course not. That's the writer's job.

Instead of going to movie as non paid movie critic go to movie as someone new movie fan you may surprise your self., since when did transformers comics and cartoons had good story and plot evil robots
In disguise try take over universe good bots stop them 99 percent of time they have help with humans can't get no bad than that.,

If you want good plot and story read Shakespeare's , edger Allen Poe or you could compare transformers movies to old black and white cowboy movies and three stooges to add to list

dragons wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

partholon wrote:i STILL dont believe bays capable of delivering an actual film with a decent plot/storyline

Well, of course not. That's the writer's job.

Instead of going to movie as non paid movie critic go to movie as someone new movie fan you may surprise your self., since when did transformers comics and cartoons had good story and plot evil robots
In disguise try take over universe good bots stop them 99 percent of time they have help with humans can't get no bad than that.,

If you want good plot and story read Shakespeare's , edger Allen Poe or you could compare transformers movies to old black and white cowboy movies and three stooges to add to list

I'm a fan of the movies but your reasoning is flawed what was in the past is no damn excuse for future fiction.

Last Stand of the wreckers is a great story for example and while the G1 cartoon or the god awful Transformers Prime cartoon is rather bad there has been good fiction in our franchise.

dragons wrote: evil robots
In disguise try take over universe good bots stop them 99 percent of time they have help with humans can't get no bad than that.,

That's not even a story that's a snyposis and a good story is about what people do with the setting because originality is long dead so it's up to writers to retell old stories and themes in a new way that may or may not be interesting.

Nobody is watching Transformers for Shakespeare at all people just want good movies wheteher that be a good story or just an amazing watching experience people watch Transformers for Transformers not Shakespeare in fact for me I couldn't care any less for him but I want to see a good "Transformers" movie and I personally think the new one is going to hit the mark or at least close to it.

Deadput wrote:
I'm a fan of the movies but your reasoning is flawed what was in the past is no damn excuse for future fiction.

Last Stand of the wreckers is a great story for example and while the G1 cartoon or the god awful Transformers Prime cartoon is rather bad there has been good fiction in our franchise.

Now, I don't want to start a brawl (no pun intended) on this topic, but I thought Transformers: Prime was one of the best continuities of the franchise. There some errors in Prime as in any other Transformer story, but it is definitely not "god awful" ...

SnoopDawg wrote:

Deadput wrote:
I'm a fan of the movies but your reasoning is flawed what was in the past is no damn excuse for future fiction.

Last Stand of the wreckers is a great story for example and while the G1 cartoon or the god awful Transformers Prime cartoon is rather bad there has been good fiction in our franchise.

Now, I don't want to start a brawl (no pun intended) on this topic, but I thought Transformers: Prime was one of the best continuities of the franchise. There some errors in Prime as in any other Transformer story, but it is definitely not "god awful" ...

I was never so bored in any other Transformers show compared to Prime's who's world is so dull, grey and empty like where are the humans even in that new york episode espically when it's sequel RID manages to fix this problem.

The character development was either forgotten or reset and Megatron's plans were never actual plans in the first place he was more incompetent then Movie Megatron who at least made multiple thought out plans.

Remember Cliffjumper's wasted potential or Breakdown's or even Dreadwing's?

The cast was awful on the Autobot side with the worse boring cardboard Optimus, angsty, hypocrite Arcee who contently forgets her development to chase after grudges and call out others for doing the same, Bulkhead who was just there even after they made a "big" deal on his injury that never effected anything afterwards, Bumblebee suffered for his missing voice for the majority of the show with movie Bumblebee at least being active in his body language and using the radio where Prime Bee does not, Ultra Magnus also suffered from poorly used stoic personality and being a last season character who constantly got his aft kicked.

Ratchet, Smokescreen and Wheeljack were the only remotely interesting Autobots and the latter two kinda had thier story arcs "dropped" like Smokescreen's "destiny" and Wheeljack's loner thing which he forgets about without thinking and joins in season 3 which was a rushed season overall mostly due to the original plans being dropped besides Ultra Magnus and Shockwave.

The cons besides idiot Megatron were decent but suffered from the writers having no idea what to do with them either making them dead or packed away also Starscream's contently changing his personality is he traitorous or loyal, is he a serious and deadly warrior or an incompetent comedy relief who somehow is the second in command of the Decepticons which says a lot about Megatron's intelligence.

The stakes were never raised and the Decepticons never have the advantage and the status quo is always reset.

I expect the 2 hour movies to have these flaws not the longest Transformers cartoon since G1, how does Animated a much shorter show with a lighter tone manage to be much more interesting and mature then that waste of time.

Oh and in real life the show staff decided to diss Hasbro's plans and were disrespectful with the whole Aligned continuity thing.

who is supposed to be Bruticus?

MadProject wrote:who is supposed to be Bruticus?

Wondering the same thing, that fella at the end maybe?

Deadput wrote:

SnoopDawg wrote:

Deadput wrote:
I'm a fan of the movies but your reasoning is flawed what was in the past is no damn excuse for future fiction.

Last Stand of the wreckers is a great story for example and while the G1 cartoon or the god awful Transformers Prime cartoon is rather bad there has been good fiction in our franchise.

Now, I don't want to start a brawl (no pun intended) on this topic, but I thought Transformers: Prime was one of the best continuities of the franchise. There some errors in Prime as in any other Transformer story, but it is definitely not "god awful" ...

I was never so bored in any other Transformers show compared to Prime's who's world is so dull, grey and empty like where are the humans even in that new york episode espically when it's sequel RID manages to fix this problem.

The character development was either forgotten or reset and Megatron's plans were never actual plans in the first place he was more incompetent then Movie Megatron who at least made multiple thought out plans.

Remember Cliffjumper's wasted potential or Breakdown's or even Dreadwing's?

The cast was awful on the Autobot side with the worse boring cardboard Optimus, angsty, hypocrite Arcee who contently forgets her development to chase after grudges and call out others for doing the same, Bulkhead who was just there even after they made a "big" deal on his injury that never effected anything afterwards, Bumblebee suffered for his missing voice for the majority of the show with movie Bumblebee at least being active in his body language and using the radio where Prime Bee does not, Ultra Magnus also suffered from poorly used stoic personality and being a last season character who constantly got his aft kicked.

Ratchet, Smokescreen and Wheeljack were the only remotely interesting Autobots and the latter two kinda had thier story arcs "dropped" like Smokescreen's "destiny" and Wheeljack's loner thing which he forgets about without thinking and joins in season 3 which was a rushed season overall mostly due to the original plans being dropped besides Ultra Magnus and Shockwave.

The cons besides idiot Megatron were decent but suffered from the writers having no idea what to do with them either making them dead or packed away also Starscream's contently changing his personality is he traitorous or loyal, is he a serious and deadly warrior or an incompetent comedy relief who somehow is the second in command of the Decepticons which says a lot about Megatron's intelligence.

The stakes were never raised and the Decepticons never have the advantage and the status quo is always reset.

I expect the 2 hour movies to have these flaws not the longest Transformers cartoon since G1, how does Animated a much shorter show with a lighter tone manage to be much more interesting and mature then that waste of time.

Oh and in real life the show staff decided to diss Hasbro's plans and were disrespectful with the whole Aligned continuity thing.

Still a better story then energon!

#bringbackjazz

Seriously though, how awesome would it be to have him show up out of nowhere in this movie in a new body? I can picture him being like a silver Kia Soul with red and blue diagonal stripes going across the hood

Deadput wrote:Remember Cliffjumper's wasted potential or Breakdown's or even Dreadwing's?

Dreadwing had a ton of screen time and screen presence, at least enough for me to remember him fondly. He was a star of the show for me, and I wouldnt call him wasted potential. Sure I wouldnt mind seeing him more, but i feel we got a nice amount, much more than a Star Wars fan ever got of Boba fett

As for Breakdown, there wasnt much character to him. he was more the solomon grundy type (who then even became a zombie). As for clffjumper, well the Rock is way too expensive to keep as part of the main cast

All in all, I thought it was one of the better efforts in the history of small screen fiction and i had a good time. It brought me back into collecting too. Loved the cross between movie and G1 aesthetic and the toyline is one of the best we have ever gotten. I am with you SnooDawg (great username!). But of course, I respect everyone's opinion of these shows, and of these movies as well. I must admit i do preffer Prime to the films though, simply for it focusing more on the Robots and having better characters, and an Excellent Megatron! (not the toy though)

MadProject wrote:who is supposed to be Bruticus?

No one, Bruticus is not in this film But then again that might be a blessing, remember the last time the films had a combiner?

Looking forward to this movie but my main concern is that the decepticons will get the shaft once again. So far, they appear to be in only 1 scene as a group.

william-james88 wrote:

MadProject wrote:who is supposed to be Bruticus?

No one, Bruticus is not in this film

The news story mentioned Bruticus.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

MadProject wrote:who is supposed to be Bruticus?

No one, Bruticus is not in this film

The news story mentioned Bruticus.

Pretty sure Bronzewolf might've confused the bot at 0:17 for Bruticus when it appears to be a plane, as I've previously stated

Via the official social media accounts for Transformers: The Last Knight, we have an announcement clip for a new upcoming trailer to be released next Wednesday (12 April)! The current tags include 'rethink your history' and 'unearth the secret history of the Transformers', the latter spoken in the voice over by Anthony Hopkins. Check out the clip below, and let us know what you think this is suggesting before the next trailer drops next week!

Braker wrote:#bringbackjazz

Seriously though, how awesome would it be to have him show up out of nowhere in this movie in a new body? I can picture him being like a silver Kia Soul with red and blue diagonal stripes going across the hood

I'm all for having Jazz come back ... but why a Kia Soul?

Braker wrote:#bringbackjazz

Seriously though, how awesome would it be to have him show up out of nowhere in this movie in a new body? I can picture him being like a silver Kia Soul with red and blue diagonal stripes going across the hood

That would be awful.

I'm all for Jazz showing up in prequels and flashbacks but he is dead and bringing characters back from the dead is absolutely cheap and is awful story telling unless it's done to bring the plot forward and even then it has to be done right if Jazz was going to come back to life it would of happened by now and bringing him back wouldn't make the plot that different unless Jazz turns out to be the chosen one or something.

The only ones that have come back from death were Optimus since he is Optimus and you can never kill space Jesus which cheapens his many deaths in the first place, Megatron because he is the main Decepticon and Sam because of plot reasons which was cheap but made sense in the story.

Point is when characters die in a "war" movie they should stay dead since you don't see people coming back to life in reality and it would make the death scenes pointless and make the audience care less.

Deadput wrote:

Braker wrote:#bringbackjazz

Seriously though, how awesome would it be to have him show up out of nowhere in this movie in a new body? I can picture him being like a silver Kia Soul with red and blue diagonal stripes going across the hood

That would be awful.

I'm all for Jazz showing up in prequels and flashbacks but he is dead and bringing characters back from the dead is absolutely cheap and is awful story telling unless it's done to bring the plot forward and even then it has to be done right if Jazz was going to come back to life it would of happened by now and bringing him back wouldn't make the plot that different unless Jazz turns out to be the chosen one or something.

The only ones that have come back from death were Optimus since he is Optimus and you can never kill space Jesus which cheapens his many deaths in the first place, Megatron because he is the main Decepticon and Sam because of plot reasons which was cheap but made sense in the story.

Point is when characters die in a "war" movie they should stay dead since you don't see people coming back to life in reality and it would make the death scenes pointless and make the audience care less.

Just saying... but it is the Transformers movies. You're right in saying that bringing a character back from the dead is generally bad storytelling, but it certainly wouldn't be the worst problem these movies have from a storytelling standpoint. Not by a longshot.
I'd kind of be for it just because he's a far more likeable character than the 5 Autobots in AOE
Heck, you could still possibly do something with it. For instance, the death count of the Autobots in the Bayverse is so extremely high; if Jazz came back to life hinting that there would be a way to resurrect the rest of the Autobots, that would be a somewhat interesting drive to a movie and set everyone up for a fall and a decent moral. It's usually cheap and a cop-out, sure, but there's good ways to use the concept.

Funnily enough, Movie Jazz has actually been brought back to life before in the comics due to having a new toy at the time.

Going on Jazz talk for a second, it was hinted at that Megatron was holding Starscreams head yes, and then Barricade is back in the movie despite the fact it really really looked like he died.

So what if Megatron, whom as seen has the red on his helmet like Optimus indicating to me he might also be under the creators control at some point, chooses Decepticons to come back to life and the Creators are capable of bringing them back?

Hell, what if the creators take the Cybertronian bodies on Earth and rebuild them as their loyal troops, maybe even in entirely new looks. The dead bodies would only function as raw materials.

and in Age of Extinction, it was shown that Ratchet's spark was simply ripped out but still intact, and a deal made about how the spark is the lifeforce and is pretty much their soul, so who says the same thing can't apply here?

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Going on Jazz talk for a second, it was hinted at that Megatron was holding Starscreams head yes, and then Barricade is back in the movie despite the fact it really really looked like he died.

So what if Megatron, whom as seen has the red on his helmet like Optimus indicating to me he might also be under the creators control at some point, chooses Decepticons to come back to life and the Creators are capable of bringing them back?

Hell, what if the creators take the Cybertronian bodies on Earth and rebuild them as their loyal troops, maybe even in entirely new looks. The dead bodies would only function as raw materials.

and in Age of Extinction, it was shown that Ratchet's spark was simply ripped out but still intact, and a deal made about how the spark is the lifeforce and is pretty much their soul, so who says the same thing can't apply here?

Seems like a pretty cool idea. Though I have a love-hate relationship on Starscream's look in the movie, I really think that if they were to make a solo movie, it should be on Starscream. His character had so much potential to be developed ... all to be killed by Sam of all people.

SnoopDawg wrote:Seems like a pretty cool idea. Though I have a love-hate relationship on Starscream's look in the movie, I really think that if they were to make a solo movie, it should be on Starscream. His character had so much potential to be developed ... all to be killed by Sam of all people.

Starscream's death to Sam is pretty appropriate since he seemed to "specifically" had some sort of hate for him and contently antagonized him in ROTF and DOTM which led Starscream to "play" with his prey which led to his death.

It works for Starscream much more then some random Autobot blowing him up would even if it would be much cooler.

Plus it makes Que have contribution to the battle despite being a non combatant which makes his death not pointless in the overall story.

I just found out what the title of the Movie means... lets just say the first thought that popped into my head was of Kicker.

Ever had a doubt that director Michael Bay is a genius? New live action movie Transformers: The Last Knight cast member Anthony Hopkins thinks so! In a recent interview with Yahoo News, the actor behind Sir Edmund Burton - a historian of sorts in the movie - compares Bay to Oliver Stone and Steven Spielberg, talks about him chatting about getting the right look and design for Cybertronians, and praises the brilliance of 'savants' like the explosive director.

Watch the interview embedded below, and join the conversation in the Energon Pub!

“I thought, ‘This guy’s a genius, he really is,‘” Hopkins told Yahoo Movies (watch above) last week at CinemaCon about his impression of Bay after meeting the director over breakfast to discuss the project. “He’s the same ilk as Oliver Stone and [Steven] Spielberg and [Martin] Scorsese. Brilliance. Savants, really, they are. He’s a savant.”

In Last Knight, Hopkins, 79, stars opposite the returning Mark Wahlberg as Sir Edmund Burton, an astronomer and historian who lives with Autobots on a sprawling British countryside estate.

Bay isn't a genius.

His last 3 non-Transformer films have all flopped!

People just happen to love giant Transformering Robots more than they hate Bay. But due to Paramount's current downward spiral financially that may change as soon as this Summer.

I look forward in seeing Anthony Hopkins in Thor 3 (Ragnarok) but that's where it stops this year.

YoungPrime wrote:His last 3 non-Transformer films have all flopped!

No they haven't. They've all ranked in the millions and billions and then some. Even if they weren't good movies, that's not flopping.

How much money did they pay Anthony Hopkins?

YoungPrime wrote:Bay isn't a genius.

His last 3 non-Transformer films have all flopped!

People just happen to love giant Transformering Robots more than they hate Bay. But due to Paramount's current downward spiral financially that may change as soon as this Summer.

I look forward in seeing Anthony Hopkins in Thor 3 (Ragnarok) but that's where it stops this year.

Dude I know you got this weird obsession and hate boner with these movies and Bay that makes you so compelled to take a dump on us and other people who like these movies like we are wrong or something and such but when you have to make up false facts to try to stir the bee hive here it kinda starts to get ridiculous.

Just because one money made less then the last one doesn't mean it's a flop if it was we would absolutely not be at movie 5 and people like Hopkins and Peter Cullen himself would not praise Bay since there are people who also have hated on him such as Hugo who is kind of a sour person.

Maybe you should take a break or actually try to be thoughtful in your posts because maybe more people would like you and I don't mean that as an insult I mean that as genuine advice.

Anyways there are people who do like Bay he is a cool guy and he is an animal person as well as he donates to charities.

Edit: I just misread your post I thought you said that his last three transformers movies flopped I did not realize that you meant NON transformer movies.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:How much money did they pay Anthony Hopkins?

It's called opinions some people actually do not hate Bay.

He does make visually stunning movies though even if you don't like explosions there are other visuals that are great and I'm not talking about CGI since Bay is very good with practical effects.

Deadput wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:How much money did they pay Anthony Hopkins?

It's called opinions some people actually do not hate Bay.

He does make visually stunning movies though even if you don't like explosions there are other visuals that are great and I'm not talking about CGI since Bay is very good with practical effects.

I respect him as a director. Are the movies great? Uh... aheh... by no means. But, tbf, that is partially the writers' faults. And I'm not big on Bay's pandering via "cheesecake". But he puts his heart into his work and he doesn't seem (afaik) like an asshole. His movies, while lacking in story (hopefully not for long...) and characters, are pretty and fun to watch. If you disagree, that's your opinion and I respect you for that. Just plz respectful to those that don't have the same views?

Nexus Knight wrote:
I respect him as a director. Are the movies great? Uh... aheh... by no means. But, tbf, that is partially the writers' faults. And I'm not big on Bay's pandering via "cheesecake". But he puts his heart into his work and he doesn't seem (afaik) like an asshole. His movies, while lacking in story (hopefully not for long...) and characters, are pretty and fun to watch. If you disagree, that's your opinion and I respect you for that. Just plz respectful to those that don't have the same views?

Are the movies great? Well no their not the best thing since sliced bread that I know but they are entertaining which is the most important part of a movie to me and I guess a lot of people too because why would some people enjoy watching bad cheap movies otherwise?

I don't think I or my family have as much fun in the theater as we do with Transformers actually I brought them with me to go to the Imax fan event last week and they enjoyed what they saw it helps that my Mum is a big fan of knights too.

Luckily we are starting to get less of some of the worse bits of the movies like the cheesecake stuff.


I respect opinions most of the time but when people are like

SW's SilverHammer wrote:How much money did they pay Anthony Hopkins?

Is this an opinion or a jab at people who like Bay?

Whether he's a genius or not is subjective. I mean I think some of you are total ****, (and I'm sure the feeling is mutual, probably more so after you read the rest of this post) but that doesn't make it fact.

What we have in this instance is a veteran actor, a man who has worked in the movie industry for decades with various Directors sharing his opinion on Bay and his directing style.

Now for those who want to tear down Bay, tell me something. What makes you an expert?

Have YOU worked for multiple directors? Have YOU seen Bay at work? Have YOU come up with new ways to shoot? Have YOU helped develop new digital cameras to create visuals that haven't been done before?

No?

Because Bay has.

And that's why Hopkins has said what he said. He's worked with Bay and what he does to achieve the end result.

So you don't like the movies? Well good on you. Just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean they're bad. And blaming Bay? You are aware that there's more than one person involved in making these movies yeah?

Honestly, it's time some of you got the fuck over this Bay hating thing. It's pathetic.

Burn wrote:"Long post with harsh but valuable wisdom"

The people who have hated him for these 10 years now for not catering to them are not going to change sadly because most people stick with their opinions whether good or bad.

I see people arguing with those such as Young Prime on the other Transformers fan websites and they just keep on going because of their point of views things is ts alright not to like someone's work and depending on why the person themselves but it will never be alright to start hating and tearing apart someone's different opinion because of it.

Unless it's something actually morally wrong like someone thinks murdering puppies is a good thing then you can question thier opinions. and their sanity too.

Sabrblade wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:His last 3 non-Transformer films have all flopped!

No they haven't. They've all ranked in the millions and billions and then some. Even if they weren't good movies, that's not flopping.

Correction....

"Pain and gain" may have ranged somewhere between breaking even and turning a small profit (courtesy of The Rock). The other 2 most recent Non-TF films directed by Bay within the last 12 years (13 Hours and The Island) have both Flopped...DO THE MATH! That track record is not the making of a "genius Director". Even as a producer that last Turtle sequel under-performed.

Again...No issue with Anthony Hopkins, loved is most of his previous work. Bay's crap is where it stops.

What else is playing that weekend...?

YoungPrime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:His last 3 non-Transformer films have all flopped!

No they haven't. They've all ranked in the millions and billions and then some. Even if they weren't good movies, that's not flopping.

Correction....

"Pain and gain" may have ranged somewhere between breaking even and turning a small profit (courtesy of The Rock). The other 2 most recent Non-TF films directed by Bay within the last 12 years (13 Hours and The Island) have both Flopped...DO THE MATH! That track record is not the making of a "genius Director". Even as a producer that last Turtle sequel under-performed.

Again...No issue with Anthony Hopkins, loved is most of his previous work. Bay's crap is where it stops.

What else is playing that weekend...?

13 Hours actually turned a profit, so not sure (Budget $50,000,000 (estimate), Gross Takings US alone - $52,853,219 + Worldwide - $69,411,370). So maybe YOU do the maths.

-edit-

Now I do have the giggles.

Pain & Gain
Budget - $26,000,000 (estimated)
Gross - $49,874,933 (USA) + $86,175,291 (worldwide)
Opening weekend - $20,244,505 (USA)

So not only did Pain & Gain make a "small" profit, it nearly made its money back on the opening weekend.
As for The Island, every director has a bomb. Clearly he's bounced back from it though.

So keep stretching there to justify your hate for Bay. It gives me giggles.

Look, dude... I know the movies are bad, but you don't have to try and prove they were unsuccessful. The two don't always go hand in hand.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:How much money did they pay Anthony Hopkins?

Hmmm..... Enough that it's safe to be believe that "genius" quote was part of his script via marketing.

YoungPrime wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:How much money did they pay Anthony Hopkins?

Hmmm..... Enough that it's safe to be believe that "genius" quote was part of his script via marketing.

I know you the word opinion doesn't exist in your vocabulary but this is pushing it.

Burn wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:His last 3 non-Transformer films have all flopped!

No they haven't. They've all ranked in the millions and billions and then some. Even if they weren't good movies, that's not flopping.

Correction....

"Pain and gain" may have ranged somewhere between breaking even and turning a small profit (courtesy of The Rock). The other 2 most recent Non-TF films directed by Bay within the last 12 years (13 Hours and The Island) have both Flopped...DO THE MATH! That track record is not the making of a "genius Director". Even as a producer that last Turtle sequel under-performed.

Again...No issue with Anthony Hopkins, loved is most of his previous work. Bay's crap is where it stops.

What else is playing that weekend...?

13 Hours actually turned a profit, so not sure (Budget $50,000,000 (estimate), Gross Takings US alone - $52,853,219 + Worldwide - $69,411,370). So maybe YOU do the maths.

-edit-

Now I do have the giggles.

Pain & Gain
Budget - $26,000,000 (estimated)
Gross - $49,874,933 (USA) + $86,175,291 (worldwide)
Opening weekend - $20,244,505 (USA)

So not only did Pain & Gain make a "small" profit, it nearly made its money back on the opening weekend.
As for The Island, every director has a bomb. Clearly he's bounced back from it though.

So keep stretching there to justify your hate for Bay. It gives me giggles.

No disrespect "Mr Admin" but it doesn't sound like you know how Hollywood studio's turn a profit!

Marketing/Advertising isn't part of a films budget but you still have to factor that in which could range anywhere from half to the same amount as the budget to make the film. Plus Hollywood doesn't get the full box office back WW. Domestically they'd be lucky to get 55% the other 45% goes to theaters and oversea's they'd be lucky to get a 3rd of the box office (only 25% in China according to reports) there after "expenses". Google it!

In fact you can start by reading here: http://io9.gizmodo.com/5747305/how-much ... profitable

You're welcome!

While put a bit rudely; it is true that when you're part of a movie, any interview will generally have you praising it no matter what - sometimes to ridiculous extents. This is why I tend to stay away from these sort of interviews for anything; it's impossible to tell if the actor is honestly giving their actual honest opinion or if they're just trying to big up the movie because working on it is kind of their job.

Case in point; only after he left the movies and his contract was over did Hugo Weaving say his role as Megatron in Transformers (do we have a name for this besides just 'transformers'? Honestly curious), ROTF and DOTM felt unfulfilling.

It's just what happens. I'm not gonna criticise Hopkins here or anything - honestly that'd be dickish either way - this is just standard procedure for any modern movie. Tells us nothing. Now if his contract ends and he still says Bay's a genius? THAT will be interesting and I'll be all ears...

Your link didn't want to work for me "Mr YoungPrime". It insisted on redirecting to Gizmodo Australia.

But I stand corrected regardless, clearly you're a expert on all things Hollywood. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us as to how you came to have such a qualified opinion on all things Hollywood production and what makes a good or bad Director?

Or are you still trying to make your OPINION a fact?

Regardless, his financial bombs are still outweighed by his financial successes. Unless you have something to prove me wrong on that as well.

the 20 min clip with cogman and co has leaked all over youtube.

dunno how long theyll stay up before copyright protection gets em pulled but if you do a casual search on it you should find em prety easy now.

qualitys crap but what do you expect from a phone.

partholon wrote:the 20 min clip with cogman and co has leaked all over youtube.

dunno how long theyll stay up before copyright protection gets em pulled but if you do a casual search on it you should find em prety easy now.

qualitys crap but what do you expect from a phone.

Of course the people had to be disrespectful and record it even when officials said not to right in the theater.

Also a failure on the guards but I don't blame them since you can't keep track of them all.

Kurona wrote:Case in point; only after he left the movies and his contract was over did Hugo Weaving say his role as Megatron in Transformers (do we have a name for this besides just 'transformers'? Honestly curious), ROTF and DOTM felt unfulfilling.

Was Weaving ever on set or just in a booth recording voice work after filming was all done?

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Was Weaving ever on set or just in a booth recording voice work after filming was all done?

I never heard anything about Hugo being on set for ROTF or DOTM not sure about movie 1 though since I was a kid then and the news websites were not as "organised" compared to now.

Then again the voice actors are pretty much never on set which is usually why we only hear about voice actors via announcements only a couple months prior to a movie coming out or sometimes early like what we heard for Peter Cullen and John Goodman for this movie.

Only exception to this is Mark Ryan where he is on set sometimes to double as some characters on set for the actors to react to while filming the scenes, in the end most of these voices are dubbed over by a character's proper voice actor in the movie for example he did this a few times during DOTM filming despite the fact he doesn't voice anyone in the movie.

Deadput wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Was Weaving ever on set or just in a booth recording voice work after filming was all done?

I never heard anything about Hugo being on set for ROTF or DOTM not sure about movie 1 though since I was a kid then and the news websites were not as "organised" compared to now.

Then again the voice actors are pretty much never on set which is usually why we only hear about voice actors via announcements only a couple months prior to a movie coming out or sometimes early like what we heard for Peter Cullen and John Goodman for this movie.

Only exception to this is Mark Ryan where he is on set sometimes to double as some characters on set for the actors to react to while filming the scenes, in the end most of these voices are dubbed over by a character's proper voice actor in the movie for example he did this a few times during DOTM filming despite the fact he doesn't voice anyone in the movie.

yeah I wasn't sure if Weaving just said it perhaps because he may just prefer actually acting on set rather than doing voices?

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Kurona wrote:Case in point; only after he left the movies and his contract was over did Hugo Weaving say his role as Megatron in Transformers (do we have a name for this besides just 'transformers'? Honestly curious), ROTF and DOTM felt unfulfilling.

Was Weaving ever on set or just in a booth recording voice work after filming was all done?

Just in a booth.

Yeah, he wasn't particularly involved. If you're interested here's the full snippet from his interview. For full context it was about his upcoming role in The Hobbit and they figured they'd ask for a bit about his other movies (including a few Marvel ones) so there's not a lot on it.

Collider: As the voice of Megatron, has Michael Bay called about the next Transformers movie yet?

WEAVING: No. That’s a weird job for me because it honestly was a two-hour voice job, initially. I was doing a play and I actually didn’t have time, anyway. It was one of the only things I’ve ever done where I had no knowledge of it, I didn’t care about it, I didn’t think about it. They wanted me to do it. In one way, I regret that bit. I don’t regret doing it, but I very rarely do something if it’s meaningless. It was meaningless to me, honestly. I don’t mean that in any nasty way. I did it. It was a two-hour voice job, while I was doing other things. Of course, it’s a massive film that’s made masses of money. I just happened to be the voice of one of the iconic villainous characters. But, my link to that and to Michael Bay is so minimal. I have never met him. I was never on set. I’ve seen his face on Skype. I know nothing about him, really. I just went in and did it. I never read the script. I just have my lines, and I don’t know what they mean. That sounds absolutely pathetic! I’ve never done anything like that, in my life. It’s hard to say any more about it than that, really.

Though if you want someone who was actually on the set - for three movies, no less - LaBeouf has... much less flattering things to say about the experience if you look it up. And then there was that whole thing with Megan Fox...

Anyhow, the point of me bringing up Hugo Weaving was to illustrate the point that people working on a movie will only ever say negative things about said movie after their contract ends - before then it's all glittering, sparkling praise about how the movie is the most amazing thing ever and how they love everyone else on set and how nothing like this has ever been done before in the history of Cinema. Especially before the movie's actually released. So I don't really trust interviews like this because they almost always contain hyperbole and bias - if you want to know an actor's real opinion on the movie they're working on, wait a couple years 'till they're free from the studio's strings.

Nothing against the Transformers movies in particular here; this is just how the modern film industry is. Notice you don't get anything like Orson Welles' rather scathing lines about his role as Unicron in the 1986 movie anymore.