Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Legends Wreck-Gar found at US Retail
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Fellow Seibertronian Bumblebee21 has found the elusive Legends Wreck-Gar at retail. This toy has not been easy to find (it doesn't last 5 mins when sold from Amazon) and is part of a restock of the previous wave of Generations Combiner Wars Legends figures with him being the only new toy. This toy was found at Target in the US. If others have found this toy, please let the community now in the sightings forum.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Legends Wreck-Gar found at US Retail (1779849)
Posted by Insurgent on April 10th, 2016 @ 8:58am CDT
Posted by Insurgent on April 10th, 2016 @ 8:58am CDT
Someone at Botcon give the hasbro reps some feedback that they should make little packs of hands/feet of the Computron set in various colours. I'm sure people would buy them (at least, I know I would).
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Posted by Kurona on April 10th, 2016 @ 9:21am CDT
Thing is I'm not entirely sure Transformers have ever had releases which were purely accessories - there's at least some sort of actual character bought; like how the Titan Masters vehicles have actual Titan Master characters with them.
Plus the main market for any Transformers line (bar botcon) is still kids. Not sure how many kids would really pay up for hands and feet.
Posted by Kurona on April 10th, 2016 @ 9:21am CDT
Insurgent wrote:Someone at Botcon give the hasbro reps some feedback that they should make little packs of hands/feet of the Computron set in various colours. I'm sure people would buy them (at least, I know I would).
Thing is I'm not entirely sure Transformers have ever had releases which were purely accessories - there's at least some sort of actual character bought; like how the Titan Masters vehicles have actual Titan Master characters with them.
Plus the main market for any Transformers line (bar botcon) is still kids. Not sure how many kids would really pay up for hands and feet.
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Posted by Insurgent on April 10th, 2016 @ 9:40am CDT
Posted by Insurgent on April 10th, 2016 @ 9:40am CDT
I was thinking not as a mass retail release, but maybe an online thing? Just wishing there was a way to get those hands feet more than anything, as they are nicer than the standard ones and the PE ones.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 10th, 2016 @ 1:14pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 10th, 2016 @ 1:14pm CDT
I'm really hoping Liokaiser actually comes out looking decent. I am keeping Sky Lynx separated and not combined, so he would look different from my other combiners. 
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Posted by RiddlerJ on April 10th, 2016 @ 1:25pm CDT
Posted by RiddlerJ on April 10th, 2016 @ 1:25pm CDT
I would love accessory packs for Transformers. Just extra guns and stuff. I know they used to do it for G.I. Joe back in the day, but I don't know if they still do.
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Posted by Kurona on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:15pm CDT
Posted by Kurona on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:15pm CDT
I will admit I would like it, because tbh... I do like those hands and feet better than Perfect Effect's (at least, their Hands/Feet before Bruticus and Computron). Yeah. Hasbro does something better than Third Parties; I'm going straight to TF Fandom hell for saying that. But seriously the feet look better proportioned and I can go with hands having no articulation as long as they look bulky enough and not skeletal like Menasor/Superion/Defensor/Optimus Maximus' PE kits
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Posted by william-james88 on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:25pm CDT
I havent heard any fan claim Warbot Defendor to be better than Voyager Springer, quite the opposite. So there are probably more people in TF Fandom hell than outside of it.
Posted by william-james88 on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:25pm CDT
Kurona wrote: Yeah. Hasbro does something better than Third Parties; I'm going straight to TF Fandom hell for saying that.
I havent heard any fan claim Warbot Defendor to be better than Voyager Springer, quite the opposite. So there are probably more people in TF Fandom hell than outside of it.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:27pm CDT
Well, I'll see you guys in hell. Springer is amazing and Those hands and feet look exactly like what was meant to be one those combiners
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:27pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Kurona wrote: Yeah. Hasbro does something better than Third Parties; I'm going straight to TF Fandom hell for saying that.
I havent heard any fan claim Warbot Defendor to be better than Voyager Springer, quite the opposite. So there are probably more people in TF Fandom hell than outside of it.
Well, I'll see you guys in hell. Springer is amazing and Those hands and feet look exactly like what was meant to be one those combiners
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Posted by steals_your_goats on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:29pm CDT
Posted by steals_your_goats on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:29pm CDT
Hasbros afterburner uses the new head not the groove one 
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Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:39pm CDT
I can tell it's easy to confuse the two...But visor is Afterbreaker, eyes is Groove. Well, let's hope they stick with that head.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:39pm CDT
steals_your_goats wrote:Hasbros afterburner uses the new head not the groove one
I can tell it's easy to confuse the two...But visor is Afterbreaker, eyes is Groove. Well, let's hope they stick with that head.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:44pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:44pm CDT
Are you sure you don't have that mixed up jelze? That picture of afterburner in the case certainly looks like a visor...While the other doesn't have it.
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Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:48pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:48pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Are you sure you don't have that mixed up jelze? That picture of afterburner in the case certainly looks like a visor...While the other doesn't have it.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:48pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:48pm CDT
He's right, that is a different head than the Groove one from that angle and look. I updated our own newspost about 2 hours ago and didn't realize it. interesting.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:49pm CDT
This could be a case like Ravage and Rumble. The official pictures have a different head than what it actually comes with.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 10th, 2016 @ 2:49pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Are you sure you don't have that mixed up jelze? That picture of afterburner in the case certainly looks like a visor...While the other doesn't have it.
This could be a case like Ravage and Rumble. The official pictures have a different head than what it actually comes with.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on April 10th, 2016 @ 3:23pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 10th, 2016 @ 3:23pm CDT
I'm now very confused as to which head is getting used. Unless those renders were done and straight after they were allowed to use the new head for afterburner.
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Posted by william-james88 on April 10th, 2016 @ 3:30pm CDT
I think the head we see on display is the right one and the one in the 3d model is what they had going at the begining. Well thats good, that definitely takes away a negative point from hasbro's. Still, the guns UW Afterburner have are so much more amazing!
Posted by william-james88 on April 10th, 2016 @ 3:30pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:I'm now very confused as to which head is getting used. Unless those renders were done and straight after they were allowed to use the new head for afterburner.
I think the head we see on display is the right one and the one in the 3d model is what they had going at the begining. Well thats good, that definitely takes away a negative point from hasbro's. Still, the guns UW Afterburner have are so much more amazing!
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Posted by Autobot N on April 10th, 2016 @ 4:58pm CDT
Posted by Autobot N on April 10th, 2016 @ 4:58pm CDT
After some thinking, I have decided to cancel my UW-08 preorder, and I now eagerly await the release of Hasbro's Computron. Before anyone begins to think that I'm crazy, I shall explain myself.
Combined mode: Since I have the PC-03 upgrade kit on my Superion with the blue-visored face, the UW Comp head looks a bit too similar to it, so the faceplated head shall provide some difference between the two. Also new hands and feet means I don't have to buy the PE kit. The UW chest does look way better though.
Scattershot: The vehicle deco is awesome.
Nosecone: I like the upward-facing drill kneecap better.
Lightspeed: The use of the DE mold and the white helps to break up the red.
Afterburner: I prefer Afterburner to be orange.
Strafe: Undecided about this one, but while I don't know how much I'll like the BO mold, I do already love the AR mold.
Scrounge: No explanation needed.
Combined mode: Since I have the PC-03 upgrade kit on my Superion with the blue-visored face, the UW Comp head looks a bit too similar to it, so the faceplated head shall provide some difference between the two. Also new hands and feet means I don't have to buy the PE kit. The UW chest does look way better though.
Scattershot: The vehicle deco is awesome.
Nosecone: I like the upward-facing drill kneecap better.
Lightspeed: The use of the DE mold and the white helps to break up the red.
Afterburner: I prefer Afterburner to be orange.
Strafe: Undecided about this one, but while I don't know how much I'll like the BO mold, I do already love the AR mold.
Scrounge: No explanation needed.
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Posted by Wolfman Jake on April 10th, 2016 @ 5:11pm CDT
Darn, this makes it harder for me to turn Hasbro's Afterbreaker into a new character from G1 Afterburner. I can still justify it on the basis of the different color scheme Hasbro's version sports, especially because of all of that black that was actually white on the G1 character.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on April 10th, 2016 @ 5:11pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I'm now very confused as to which head is getting used. Unless those renders were done and straight after they were allowed to use the new head for afterburner.
I think the head we see on display is the right one and the one in the 3d model is what they had going at the begining. Well thats good, that definitely takes away a negative point from hasbro's. Still, the guns UW Afterburner have are so much more amazing!
Darn, this makes it harder for me to turn Hasbro's Afterbreaker into a new character from G1 Afterburner. I can still justify it on the basis of the different color scheme Hasbro's version sports, especially because of all of that black that was actually white on the G1 character.
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Posted by william-james88 on April 10th, 2016 @ 5:55pm CDT
Even better, just flip the backpack around. They end up looking very different when one has one wheel in the air. I would recomend doing that with the takara one since that means that the hasbro one would have all that green that distracts away from the headsculpt being the same.
I know you do, but I dont think Computron will when he has to do some warmups:
Just messing, I said it before and I will say it again, there are no losers in this computron war when 2 companies are making such different toys with their own exclusive retools and molds
And to think that this was the combiner we thought we wouldn't get.
Posted by william-james88 on April 10th, 2016 @ 5:55pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I'm now very confused as to which head is getting used. Unless those renders were done and straight after they were allowed to use the new head for afterburner.
I think the head we see on display is the right one and the one in the 3d model is what they had going at the begining. Well thats good, that definitely takes away a negative point from hasbro's. Still, the guns UW Afterburner have are so much more amazing!
Darn, this makes it harder for me to turn Hasbro's Afterbreaker into a new character from G1 Afterburner. I can still justify it on the basis of the different color scheme Hasbro's version sports, especially because of all of that black that was actually white on the G1 character.
Even better, just flip the backpack around. They end up looking very different when one has one wheel in the air. I would recomend doing that with the takara one since that means that the hasbro one would have all that green that distracts away from the headsculpt being the same.
Autobot N wrote:Nosecone: I like the upward-facing drill kneecap better.
I know you do, but I dont think Computron will when he has to do some warmups:
Just messing, I said it before and I will say it again, there are no losers in this computron war when 2 companies are making such different toys with their own exclusive retools and molds
And to think that this was the combiner we thought we wouldn't get.
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Posted by Amelie on April 10th, 2016 @ 6:05pm CDT
Now we wait for Takara's move in this never ending battle for our wallets.
Posted by Amelie on April 10th, 2016 @ 6:05pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Now we wait for Takara's move in this never ending battle for our wallets.
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Posted by Wolfman Jake on April 10th, 2016 @ 6:08pm CDT
Yeah, leaving the wheel facing up in the back is the G1 look anyway, and makes a nice differentiation from Groove's silhouette. I'll leave the windshield facing up for Afterbreaker (aka, Reheat in my own head canon).
Posted by Wolfman Jake on April 10th, 2016 @ 6:08pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I'm now very confused as to which head is getting used. Unless those renders were done and straight after they were allowed to use the new head for afterburner.
I think the head we see on display is the right one and the one in the 3d model is what they had going at the begining. Well thats good, that definitely takes away a negative point from hasbro's. Still, the guns UW Afterburner have are so much more amazing!
Darn, this makes it harder for me to turn Hasbro's Afterbreaker into a new character from G1 Afterburner. I can still justify it on the basis of the different color scheme Hasbro's version sports, especially because of all of that black that was actually white on the G1 character.
Even better, just flip the backpack around. They end up looking very different when one has one wheel in the air. I would recomend doing that with the takara one since that means that the hasbro one would have all that green that distracts away from the headsculpt being the same.
Yeah, leaving the wheel facing up in the back is the G1 look anyway, and makes a nice differentiation from Groove's silhouette. I'll leave the windshield facing up for Afterbreaker (aka, Reheat in my own head canon).
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Posted by Rainmaker on April 10th, 2016 @ 6:09pm CDT
Posted by Rainmaker on April 10th, 2016 @ 6:09pm CDT
I wonder if I could combine Hasbro Technobots with Takara Technobots? 
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Posted by Amelie on April 10th, 2016 @ 6:12pm CDT
Yes, if you had both sets that'd be easy.
Posted by Amelie on April 10th, 2016 @ 6:12pm CDT
[BW] Rainmaker wrote:I wonder if I could combine Hasbro Technobots with Takara Technobots?
Yes, if you had both sets that'd be easy.
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Posted by Rainmaker on April 10th, 2016 @ 6:14pm CDT
I wish I could just buy my favourite technobots from each company.
Posted by Rainmaker on April 10th, 2016 @ 6:14pm CDT
Amelie wrote:[BW] Rainmaker wrote:I wonder if I could combine Hasbro Technobots with Takara Technobots?
Yes, if you had both sets that'd be easy.
I wish I could just buy my favourite technobots from each company.
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Posted by RiddlerJ on April 10th, 2016 @ 6:24pm CDT
Posted by RiddlerJ on April 10th, 2016 @ 6:24pm CDT
Aragh, I don't know which Computron to get. Hasbro's is cheaper, better hands and feet and Scrounge, but Takara has the rest of the members looking so much better. Scattershot has even more parts remolded, Afterburner has new guns. Lightspeed matches better and doesn't use a mold I have 4 of already, and Strafe and Nosecone just blow the Hasbro ones out of the water. 
Even worse, if I got both sets, there's not enough differences that I could pretend one batch was just a bunch of new Technobots (maybe Hasbro's Lightspeed)
Even worse, if I got both sets, there's not enough differences that I could pretend one batch was just a bunch of new Technobots (maybe Hasbro's Lightspeed)
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Posted by Wolfman Jake on April 10th, 2016 @ 7:00pm CDT
That's my plan. I think the differences are great enough, especially with the different mold uses and head sculpts (with the exception of Afterbreaker). Even the color schemes are fairly different. If I change my mind, though, I can always give the Hasbro Technobots to my nephew. He loves the Combiner Wars stuff and won't have any kind of bias on how these characters "should" look. Of course, I'll keep Scrounge for myself either way, lol.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on April 10th, 2016 @ 7:00pm CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:Even worse, if I got both sets, there's not enough differences that I could pretend one batch was just a bunch of new Technobots (maybe Hasbro's Lightspeed)
That's my plan. I think the differences are great enough, especially with the different mold uses and head sculpts (with the exception of Afterbreaker). Even the color schemes are fairly different. If I change my mind, though, I can always give the Hasbro Technobots to my nephew. He loves the Combiner Wars stuff and won't have any kind of bias on how these characters "should" look. Of course, I'll keep Scrounge for myself either way, lol.
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Posted by trence5 on April 10th, 2016 @ 7:54pm CDT
Posted by trence5 on April 10th, 2016 @ 7:54pm CDT
pretty much look identical to me.carytheone wrote:We've got some groovy comparison shots of Transformers Combiner Wars Deluxe Groove vs. Takara's Unite Warriors Groove. As of yet there has been no official announcement of a North American release, but we keep getting more and more hints though. The full gallery can be viewed here or by clicking any of the images below. When you get done perusing the gallery; hit the jump below and tell us what you think in the Energon Pub.
The differences between Hasbro's and Takara's Groove are minor, but are as follows:
•Hasbro's Groove has silver screws vs. Takara Tomy's black screws
•Hasbro's copyright stamp is tampoed on the bottom backside of his feet
•Hasbro's knee joint pin has a large flat head vs. Takara's normal pin
•Hasbro's "date" stamp is different on the inside of his right leg (60461), which is similar to the stamp on the package (60541)
Remember to keep your browsers pointed to Seibertron.com for the latest in Transformer news, the largest Transformers galleries found on the web and the liveliest Transformers discussion this side of a space bridge.
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Posted by fenrir72 on April 11th, 2016 @ 6:13am CDT
Posted by fenrir72 on April 11th, 2016 @ 6:13am CDT
Calling the seibertron News Crew!
Concerning the Hb images of Computron. Those fist and foot parts, they aren't collapsible/transformable like the previous Combiners right?
Concerning the Hb images of Computron. Those fist and foot parts, they aren't collapsible/transformable like the previous Combiners right?
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Posted by ZeroWolf on April 11th, 2016 @ 6:28am CDT
Yeah, they're like the old g1 combiner bits...just better.
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 11th, 2016 @ 6:28am CDT
fenrir72 wrote:Calling the seibertron News Crew!
Concerning the Hb images of Computron. Those fist and foot parts, they aren't collapsible/transformable like the previous Combiners right?
Yeah, they're like the old g1 combiner bits...just better.
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Posted by Rainmaker on April 11th, 2016 @ 6:45am CDT
Posted by Rainmaker on April 11th, 2016 @ 6:45am CDT
Who's this Liokasier?
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Posted by Insurgent on April 11th, 2016 @ 6:54am CDT
A combiner team from Transformers: Victory, the third and final full series of Takara's G1. His team is known as the Breast Force because their chestplates detach and transform into guns/animal partners. And he's originally a 6 team combiner who's only kibble was the combined mode's helmet, everything else was integrated. Never been reissued and highly sought after by collectors. He can easily fetch in excess of £600 for the boxset. Higher if MISB. He was also never relased outside Japan, though really questionable recolours were released as the 'Rescue Force', but without the chestplates or combiner helmet.
Posted by Insurgent on April 11th, 2016 @ 6:54am CDT
[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Who's this Liokasier?
A combiner team from Transformers: Victory, the third and final full series of Takara's G1. His team is known as the Breast Force because their chestplates detach and transform into guns/animal partners. And he's originally a 6 team combiner who's only kibble was the combined mode's helmet, everything else was integrated. Never been reissued and highly sought after by collectors. He can easily fetch in excess of £600 for the boxset. Higher if MISB. He was also never relased outside Japan, though really questionable recolours were released as the 'Rescue Force', but without the chestplates or combiner helmet.
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Posted by Rainmaker on April 11th, 2016 @ 6:55am CDT
These guys don't have breasts, do they?
Posted by Rainmaker on April 11th, 2016 @ 6:55am CDT
Insurgent wrote:[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Who's this Liokasier?
A combiner team from Transformers: Victory, the third and final full series of Takara's G1. His team is known as the Breast Force because their chestplates detach and transform into guns/animal partners. And he's originally a 6 team combiner who's only kibble was the combined mode's helmet, everything else was integrated. Never been reissued and highly sought after by collectors. He can easily fetch in excess of £600 for the boxset. Higher if MISB. He was also never relased outside Japan, though really questionable recolours were released as the 'Rescue Force', but without the chestplates or combiner helmet.
These guys don't have breasts, do they?
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Posted by Insurgent on April 11th, 2016 @ 7:03am CDT
Posted by Insurgent on April 11th, 2016 @ 7:03am CDT
No, that's just their name. They look like normal male robots. They just have an extra chestplate that detatches and transforms into a gun/animal. Each character has an animal themed helmet and their chestplate transforms into the corrosponding animal.
For example, Hellbat has a bat-esque head, and hsi chestplate transforms into a bat. Leozack has a lion themed helmet and his chestplate transforms into a lion. But in true Japanese style, they do tend to shout "BREAST ATTACK!!!" when they attack with their chestplates.
For example, Hellbat has a bat-esque head, and hsi chestplate transforms into a bat. Leozack has a lion themed helmet and his chestplate transforms into a lion. But in true Japanese style, they do tend to shout "BREAST ATTACK!!!" when they attack with their chestplates.
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Posted by Kurona on April 11th, 2016 @ 7:12am CDT
Posted by Kurona on April 11th, 2016 @ 7:12am CDT
My gosh Afterbreaker just looks absolutely beautiful. And I'm really starting to like the look of the Windshield over his head.
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Posted by Sabrblade on April 11th, 2016 @ 8:45am CDT
Also, in the fiction, Liokaiser was one of the coolest G1 combiners of them all for how the guy was used in the Victory cartoon. Whereas most combiner teams in the G1 cartoon made their entire debut within a single episode, transforming into all modes (altmodes, robots mode, and combiner mode) within either their debut episode or the very next episode, Liokaiser's combined mode was given a lot of build up over time, as the show did not give us his entire team all at once, but instead introduced a few of them spread throughout the show, with us first seeing just Leozack, then later we got Drillhorn, Jallguar, and Killbison. After a while we then got Hellbat, and then much later the final member Guyhawk (there was also an extra member named Deathcobra, but he was only in one episode and never had a toy, having been made up for the cartoon). By the time Guyhawk finally showed up, the series was around its halfway point, and then one episode after Guyhawk's debut came the long-awaited appearance of the combined Liokaiser himself, in which he was darn impressive, going up against Autobot Supreme Commander Star Saber and completely mopping the floor with him. It took the timely arrival of Star Saber's predecessor, the former Supreme Commander God Ginrai, to intervene and help Star Saber ward off Liokaiser, but it was no easy feat. God Ginrai likewise couldn't beat Liokaiser alone, and Star Saber was already so badly injured, but the two commanders combined their strength together to force Liokaiser back into his components. However, when Breastforce gave a tactical retreat, Star Saber and God Ginrai were too injured to go after them. And if that wasn't impressive enough, Liokaiser consistently remained a credible and powerful threat in nearly all of his remaining appearances in the show, proving himself to be one of the most dangerous and competent of all Decepticon combiners ever.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 11th, 2016 @ 8:45am CDT
Just so it's clear, the new CW version of Liokaiser does not appear to have the breastplate gimmick for his individual components that the 1989 toys had.[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Insurgent wrote:[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Who's this Liokasier?
A combiner team from Transformers: Victory, the third and final full series of Takara's G1. His team is known as the Breast Force because their chestplates detach and transform into guns/animal partners. And he's originally a 6 team combiner who's only kibble was the combined mode's helmet, everything else was integrated. Never been reissued and highly sought after by collectors. He can easily fetch in excess of £600 for the boxset. Higher if MISB. He was also never relased outside Japan, though really questionable recolours were released as the 'Rescue Force', but without the chestplates or combiner helmet.
These guys don't have breasts, do they?
Also, in the fiction, Liokaiser was one of the coolest G1 combiners of them all for how the guy was used in the Victory cartoon. Whereas most combiner teams in the G1 cartoon made their entire debut within a single episode, transforming into all modes (altmodes, robots mode, and combiner mode) within either their debut episode or the very next episode, Liokaiser's combined mode was given a lot of build up over time, as the show did not give us his entire team all at once, but instead introduced a few of them spread throughout the show, with us first seeing just Leozack, then later we got Drillhorn, Jallguar, and Killbison. After a while we then got Hellbat, and then much later the final member Guyhawk (there was also an extra member named Deathcobra, but he was only in one episode and never had a toy, having been made up for the cartoon). By the time Guyhawk finally showed up, the series was around its halfway point, and then one episode after Guyhawk's debut came the long-awaited appearance of the combined Liokaiser himself, in which he was darn impressive, going up against Autobot Supreme Commander Star Saber and completely mopping the floor with him. It took the timely arrival of Star Saber's predecessor, the former Supreme Commander God Ginrai, to intervene and help Star Saber ward off Liokaiser, but it was no easy feat. God Ginrai likewise couldn't beat Liokaiser alone, and Star Saber was already so badly injured, but the two commanders combined their strength together to force Liokaiser back into his components. However, when Breastforce gave a tactical retreat, Star Saber and God Ginrai were too injured to go after them. And if that wasn't impressive enough, Liokaiser consistently remained a credible and powerful threat in nearly all of his remaining appearances in the show, proving himself to be one of the most dangerous and competent of all Decepticon combiners ever.
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Posted by Agamemnon on April 11th, 2016 @ 9:39am CDT
Posted by Agamemnon on April 11th, 2016 @ 9:39am CDT
Awesome synopsis, Sabrblade! And this has me thinking...a cool stand alone figure for Botcon would have been a Deathcobra repaint of Alpha Bravo...
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Posted by fenrir72 on April 11th, 2016 @ 9:42am CDT
Now they are useless but proportional kibbles. The way they were meant to be. Thanks.
Posted by fenrir72 on April 11th, 2016 @ 9:42am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Calling the seibertron News Crew!
Concerning the Hb images of Computron. Those fist and foot parts, they aren't collapsible/transformable like the previous Combiners right?
Yeah, they're like the old g1 combiner bits...just better.
Now they are useless but proportional kibbles. The way they were meant to be. Thanks.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on April 11th, 2016 @ 11:44am CDT
No problem
I do.
I would love a deathcobra redeco but I think it would better to use takara's vortex as the base though, not ab
Posted by ZeroWolf on April 11th, 2016 @ 11:44am CDT
fenrir72 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Calling the seibertron News Crew!
Concerning the Hb images of Computron. Those fist and foot parts, they aren't collapsible/transformable like the previous Combiners right?
Yeah, they're like the old g1 combiner bits...just better.
Now they are useless but proportional kibbles. The way they were meant to be. Thanks.
No problem
I do.I would love a deathcobra redeco but I think it would better to use takara's vortex as the base though, not ab
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Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on April 11th, 2016 @ 1:06pm CDT
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on April 11th, 2016 @ 1:06pm CDT
Also what I like about the Hasbro Computron is that I don’t need Perfect Effect feet since he already has ankle articulation. Much better use of money to get the Hasbro one. Computron might be the only full official combiner I'll get out of Combiner Wars. (And I am not including Devastator. However, I'll have to wait a while before getting the big green guy.)
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Posted by King Kuuga on April 11th, 2016 @ 4:08pm CDT
I'd like to point out that, biologically speaking, men do have breasts, and the Breastforce are accurately named. The awkwardness of their name comes from Japanese naming team not quite grasping the colloquial implications of a borrowed English word. Probably got as far as "what do you call the upper torso in English? Breast? Cool, they'll be the breastforce and have breastmaster partners and yell out breast attack" and nobody was around to tell them why this wasn't a good idea.
Posted by King Kuuga on April 11th, 2016 @ 4:08pm CDT
[BW] Rainmaker wrote:These guys don't have breasts, do they?
I'd like to point out that, biologically speaking, men do have breasts, and the Breastforce are accurately named. The awkwardness of their name comes from Japanese naming team not quite grasping the colloquial implications of a borrowed English word. Probably got as far as "what do you call the upper torso in English? Breast? Cool, they'll be the breastforce and have breastmaster partners and yell out breast attack" and nobody was around to tell them why this wasn't a good idea.
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Posted by xyl360 on April 11th, 2016 @ 4:10pm CDT
Posted by xyl360 on April 11th, 2016 @ 4:10pm CDT
I'm not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but owning the individual release of Scattershot from Combiner Wars might just be worth it for those picky about their Computron thighs. As you can see from the following images, Hasbro's individual release of Scattershot differs quite a bit with regards to the colors on key parts of the toy (including the thighs for Computron in combined mode) from the upcoming boxed set release as well as from Takara's upcoming Unite Warriors release:
Hasbro's individual CW release:
Hasbro's boxed set release (notice the outside bottom area below the wings which forms the front of the thighs for Computron):
And finally, Takara's upcoming UW release:
Hasbro's boxed set release will be white with a blue square just above the knee, Takara's will be all white and Hasbro's previously released individual CW version will be all red.
All of the animation stills I've been able to get my hands on (including going back and re-watching episodes featuring the Technobots/Computron) indicate that in the show his thighs were pretty much all white (like Takara's), however some may find it more visually appealing to have a more consistent red color for the legs/thighs given that red and maroon/brown are pretty much Computron's primary colors (with highlights of white/orange/yellow here and there). Of course it would be a simple matter to paint them a different color for anyone who desired to, but I just thought I'd point this out since I hadn't seen mention of it anywhere yet and found it quite interesting. I might just buy the Hasbro individual release to merge with my Takara UW Computron if I end up not liking the white thighs, especially if I decide to go with the Perfect Effect chest/head upgrade for the set (though I'm sure I could just swap out those thigh parts if I really wanted only those so I could keep the rest of the Takara Scattershot in place).
Anyway, so it appears that so far we have at least 3 options for Scattershot/Computron's torso (not including 3rd party stuff).
Hasbro's individual CW release:
Hasbro's boxed set release (notice the outside bottom area below the wings which forms the front of the thighs for Computron):
And finally, Takara's upcoming UW release:
Hasbro's boxed set release will be white with a blue square just above the knee, Takara's will be all white and Hasbro's previously released individual CW version will be all red.
All of the animation stills I've been able to get my hands on (including going back and re-watching episodes featuring the Technobots/Computron) indicate that in the show his thighs were pretty much all white (like Takara's), however some may find it more visually appealing to have a more consistent red color for the legs/thighs given that red and maroon/brown are pretty much Computron's primary colors (with highlights of white/orange/yellow here and there). Of course it would be a simple matter to paint them a different color for anyone who desired to, but I just thought I'd point this out since I hadn't seen mention of it anywhere yet and found it quite interesting. I might just buy the Hasbro individual release to merge with my Takara UW Computron if I end up not liking the white thighs, especially if I decide to go with the Perfect Effect chest/head upgrade for the set (though I'm sure I could just swap out those thigh parts if I really wanted only those so I could keep the rest of the Takara Scattershot in place).
Anyway, so it appears that so far we have at least 3 options for Scattershot/Computron's torso (not including 3rd party stuff).
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Posted by Sowndwave76 on April 11th, 2016 @ 9:31pm CDT
Nice find!
I thought the difference in colors of these new Hasbro images of Scattershot were strangely different to the one I picked up in the store...
Which imo, make knocks the Hasbro in-set version down a notch--
too many colors going on with that torso; especially the dark pink that's also part of the head, and the color of the gun.
Posted by Sowndwave76 on April 11th, 2016 @ 9:31pm CDT
xyl360 wrote:I'm not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but owning the individual release of Scattershot from Combiner Wars might just be worth it for those picky about their Computron thighs. As you can see from the following images, Hasbro's individual release of Scattershot differs quite a bit with regards to the colors on key parts of the toy (including the thighs for Computron in combined mode) from the upcoming boxed set release as well as from Takara's upcoming Unite Warriors release:
Hasbro's individual CW release:
Hasbro's boxed set release (notice the outside bottom area below the wings which forms the front of the thighs for Computron):
And finally, Takara's upcoming UW release:
Hasbro's boxed set release will be white with a blue square just above the knee, Takara's will be all white and Hasbro's previously released individual CW version will be all red.
All of the animation stills I've been able to get my hands on (including going back and re-watching episodes featuring the Technobots/Computron) indicate that in the show his thighs were pretty much all white (like Takara's), however some may find it more visually appealing to have a more consistent red color for the legs/thighs given that red and maroon/brown are pretty much Computron's primary colors (with highlights of white/orange/yellow here and there). Of course it would be a simple matter to paint them a different color for anyone who desired to, but I just thought I'd point this out since I hadn't seen mention of it anywhere yet and found it quite interesting. I might just buy the Hasbro individual release to merge with my Takara UW Computron if I end up not liking the white thighs, especially if I decide to go with the Perfect Effect chest/head upgrade for the set (though I'm sure I could just swap out those thigh parts if I really wanted only those so I could keep the rest of the Takara Scattershot in place).
Anyway, so it appears that so far we have at least 3 options for Scattershot/Computron's torso (not including 3rd party stuff).
Nice find!
I thought the difference in colors of these new Hasbro images of Scattershot were strangely different to the one I picked up in the store...
Which imo, make knocks the Hasbro in-set version down a notch--
too many colors going on with that torso; especially the dark pink that's also part of the head, and the color of the gun.
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Posted by william-james88 on April 11th, 2016 @ 9:41pm CDT
By making us look to that area, I just spotted something I didnt see before. The new guns for the takara version act as exhaust ports/boosters in vehicle mode.
Posted by william-james88 on April 11th, 2016 @ 9:41pm CDT
xyl360 wrote:And finally, Takara's upcoming UW release:
By making us look to that area, I just spotted something I didnt see before. The new guns for the takara version act as exhaust ports/boosters in vehicle mode.
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Posted by Sabrblade on April 11th, 2016 @ 9:52pm CDT
The Breastforce was one of the few (if any) G1 subgroups who had smaller partner figures that weren't called "(something)masters", making them stand out as a bit more unique.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 11th, 2016 @ 9:52pm CDT
This is a misconception as the partners were alternately called "Breast Animals" or "Breastars".That Bot wrote:they'll be the breastforce and have breastmaster partners
The Breastforce was one of the few (if any) G1 subgroups who had smaller partner figures that weren't called "(something)masters", making them stand out as a bit more unique.
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Posted by Sowndwave76 on April 11th, 2016 @ 10:13pm CDT
Oooh, I see what you're saying and I like it!!
Always nice when someone else can help encourage my habit. Er, I mean hobby.
That's another point for the TT version in my book!
Posted by Sowndwave76 on April 11th, 2016 @ 10:13pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:xyl360 wrote:And finally, Takara's upcoming UW release:
By making us look to that area, I just spotted something I didnt see before. The new guns for the takara version act as exhaust ports/boosters in vehicle mode.
Oooh, I see what you're saying and I like it!!
Always nice when someone else can help encourage my habit. Er, I mean hobby.
That's another point for the TT version in my book!
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Posted by Rainmaker on April 11th, 2016 @ 10:52pm CDT
Posted by Rainmaker on April 11th, 2016 @ 10:52pm CDT
Apparently there was a Combiner Hunters box set for Combiner Wars, does anybody have it in hand or any pics of it?
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Posted by Hellscream9999 on April 11th, 2016 @ 11:17pm CDT
Posted by Hellscream9999 on April 11th, 2016 @ 11:17pm CDT
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Posted by Rainmaker on April 11th, 2016 @ 11:22pm CDT
Posted by Rainmaker on April 11th, 2016 @ 11:22pm CDT
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Posted by Hellscream9999 on April 11th, 2016 @ 11:23pm CDT
I'm not really sure if you're trying to troll us/me; but, yes, we have tf galleries, the most and the best on the 'net. It's kinda the point of this site...
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/galleries/new/
Posted by Hellscream9999 on April 11th, 2016 @ 11:23pm CDT
I'm not really sure if you're trying to troll us/me; but, yes, we have tf galleries, the most and the best on the 'net. It's kinda the point of this site...
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/galleries/new/
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Posted by Rainmaker on April 11th, 2016 @ 11:24pm CDT
Didn't know we had galleries, cool. Chromia looks weird...
Posted by Rainmaker on April 11th, 2016 @ 11:24pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:
I'm not really sure if you're trying to troll us/me; but, yes, we have tf galleries, the most and the best on the 'net. It's kinda the point of the site...
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/galleries/new/
Didn't know we had galleries, cool. Chromia looks weird...
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