New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode

Tuesday, October 24th, 2017 9:31PM CDT

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After months of no news regarding this figure, the latest Figure King magazine finally gives us a new image of the next Beast Wars Masterpiece, Dinobot. It is only of the beast mode but we can make quite a bit from it. We see he has textured skin which is different from Primal and Cheetor who had smooth panels with little sculpting in beast mode. Also, we see his beast mode hands have ports which mean that he may have an accessory to be held in beast mode. Also, we see has a hinge at the top of his dino face with a panel going along his eyes hinting that he will probably have the ability to change beast mode eyes, as was the case with Cheetor. He also has a hinged mouth, but we expected that part. Hopefully this tides you over until next month when we should be getting better images in the same magazine.

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Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918284)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 24th, 2017 @ 9:35pm CDT

shajaki wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
shajaki wrote:I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting
Dinobot's Mainframe CG model had sculpted scales.

Primal's and Cheetor's CG models were smooth-surfaced, so it's just Takara's usual fidelity to screen-accuracy.
.......Hmmmmmmm... I do see what you're saying.. but how can the argument not me made saying it just looks like that? That the scales are simply painted on the CG skin, made to mimic the look of scales?

Your point is good enough to quell me though. I can see it either way.

A closer look at some of Dinobot's CG scales reveals some lighting and shading applied to the little tiny scales that emulates the depths and shaping of each scale, which is a little more complex than simply having scale-based lines painted over his skin render. Otherwise, the light ought to be reflecting off each scale in a manner consistent with how light reflect off of smooth surfaces, instead of reflecting inconsistently across multiple bumps and pits of a non-uniform surface.

Looks like Mainframe put much greater detailed effort into designing and rendering Dinobot's (and Megatron's, for that matter) skin than they did for those of Primal and Cheetor. I guess since Jurassic Park was still big at the time, the dinosaurs got extra special treatment. 8-)

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918285)
Posted by TulioDude on October 24th, 2017 @ 9:36pm CDT

Wow,he looks really well articulated!

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918286)
Posted by Prime Target on October 24th, 2017 @ 9:46pm CDT

I know a guy who'll love this!

definantly into this one more than Primal and Cheetor

but srsly where's the Rattrap love Takara?

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918287)
Posted by Quantum Surge on October 24th, 2017 @ 9:47pm CDT

Choppaface!

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918291)
Posted by Corsair on October 24th, 2017 @ 10:18pm CDT

They had me a little worried that ol' Dinobutt would never see the light of day.
I have a shelf set up just for Masterpiece Beast Wars figures and to leave me hanging with only Primal and Cheetor would have been a tragedy.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918292)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 24th, 2017 @ 10:24pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
shajaki wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
shajaki wrote:I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting
Dinobot's Mainframe CG model had sculpted scales.

Primal's and Cheetor's CG models were smooth-surfaced, so it's just Takara's usual fidelity to screen-accuracy.
.......Hmmmmmmm... I do see what you're saying.. but how can the argument not me made saying it just looks like that? That the scales are simply painted on the CG skin, made to mimic the look of scales?

Your point is good enough to quell me though. I can see it either way.
A closer look at some of Dinobot's CG scales reveals some lighting and shading applied to the little tiny scales that emulates the depths and shaping of each scale, which is a little more complex than simply having scale-based lines painted over his skin render. Otherwise, the light ought to be reflecting off each scale in a manner consistent with how light reflect off of smooth surfaces, instead of reflecting inconsistently across multiple bumps and pits of a non-uniform surface.

Looks like Mainframe put much greater detailed effort into designing and rendering Dinobot's (and Megatron's, for that matter) skin than they did for those of Primal and Cheetor. I guess since Jurassic Park was still big at the time, the dinosaurs got extra special treatment.

Realistic fur is really hard to actually create in CGI, let alone to animate it. Studios have only just begun to master it, thanks in part of the computer's abilities, or lack thereof, to render a ridiculous amount of objects on a single model, let alone multiple. Plus, by comparison episodic series have a smaller budget per section than a feature length movie, which doesn't help.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918299)
Posted by EunuchRon on October 24th, 2017 @ 11:17pm CDT

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
shajaki wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
shajaki wrote:I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting
Dinobot's Mainframe CG model had sculpted scales.

Primal's and Cheetor's CG models were smooth-surfaced, so it's just Takara's usual fidelity to screen-accuracy.
.......Hmmmmmmm... I do see what you're saying.. but how can the argument not me made saying it just looks like that? That the scales are simply painted on the CG skin, made to mimic the look of scales?

Your point is good enough to quell me though. I can see it either way.
A closer look at some of Dinobot's CG scales reveals some lighting and shading applied to the little tiny scales that emulates the depths and shaping of each scale, which is a little more complex than simply having scale-based lines painted over his skin render. Otherwise, the light ought to be reflecting off each scale in a manner consistent with how light reflect off of smooth surfaces, instead of reflecting inconsistently across multiple bumps and pits of a non-uniform surface.

Looks like Mainframe put much greater detailed effort into designing and rendering Dinobot's (and Megatron's, for that matter) skin than they did for those of Primal and Cheetor. I guess since Jurassic Park was still big at the time, the dinosaurs got extra special treatment.

Realistic fur is really hard to actually create in CGI, let alone to animate it. Studios have only just begun to master it, thanks in part of the computer's abilities, or lack thereof, to render a ridiculous amount of objects on a single model, let alone multiple. Plus, by comparison episodic series have a smaller budget per section than a feature length movie, which doesn't help.

Yeah, they made a big deal of showing hair off in Shrek 2 on Prince Charming.

If you watch the end of Beast Wars and then go watch the beginning you see a major change of quality. They got better stuff as the series went on. When I first saw the series I was just impressed that we got 3D transformers.

Oh, and Dinobot is just awesome. Fav char by far from Beast Wars. Definitely lovin' this masterpiece so far.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918305)
Posted by butcher31 on October 25th, 2017 @ 12:45am CDT

I just realised how big he's going to be. I presume he'll be show accurate and scale well with the others, which means he'll be head and shoulders above Primal. That's super exciting.

It's been a while since I watched the show so this only just clicked.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918316)
Posted by ScottyP on October 25th, 2017 @ 8:14am CDT

butcher31 wrote:I just realised how big he's going to be. I presume he'll be show accurate and scale well with the others, which means he'll be head and shoulders above Primal. That's super exciting.

It's been a while since I watched the show so this only just clicked.

Yep, exciting is the right word! While LG Rattrap and Rhinox are pretty good stand-ins from a scale perspective, this will presumably be the first Dinobot anywhere close to the "correct" size and that's just amazing and kind of surreal.

What do y'all think is next - Tigatron retooling, Megatron, or another Primal repaint?

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918317)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 25th, 2017 @ 8:31am CDT

ScottyP wrote:What do y'all think is next - Tigatron retooling, Megatron, or another Primal repaint?

Hopefully Megatron.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918318)
Posted by Kurona on October 25th, 2017 @ 8:40am CDT

Always count on redecos happening first :lol:

I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918319)
Posted by ScottyP on October 25th, 2017 @ 8:58am CDT

Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from..

He does? I can see Takara doing a Thrustor retool, maybe a toy deco version, but outside of that it'd have to be Grimlock or Fox Kids or some US toy-only deco that I can't imagine them touching. Would be happy to be way wrong about this, for the record!

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918323)
Posted by Kurona on October 25th, 2017 @ 9:35am CDT

ScottyP wrote:
Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from..
He does? I can see Takara doing a Thrustor retool, maybe a toy deco version, but outside of that it'd have to be Grimlock or Fox Kids or some US toy-only deco that I can't imagine them touching. Would be happy to be way wrong about this, for the record!

Original toy, BWN Hardhead, the Season 3 Cyberraptors... they used this mold a lot.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918328)
Posted by ScottyP on October 25th, 2017 @ 10:06am CDT

Ah, yep I forgot Hardhead in Neo but good call! Cyber raptors would surprise me but if the mold sells super well I could see it as a quick cash-in

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918332)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 25th, 2017 @ 10:20am CDT

Excited to see that we are finally making ground with this figure. I was hoping to pick Dinobot up, considering how great I found the character. I wasn't that impressed with Cheetor, and I didn't have the money to get Primal, so hopefully he is good and i have money!

As for your question Scotty, Megatron has to come soon. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tigatron soon, but they had better do a Megatron soon.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918346)
Posted by Ironhidensh on October 25th, 2017 @ 11:26am CDT

I had completely forgotten that this figure was coming. I expect the price will be around the seeker range, though, if it is going to be taller than Primal. That is quite deflating.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918363)
Posted by shajaki on October 25th, 2017 @ 1:09pm CDT

Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.

They could release a Clone version, with his transformation joints glued together :lol:

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918365)
Posted by Kurona on October 25th, 2017 @ 1:16pm CDT

shajaki wrote:
Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.
They could release a Clone version, with his transformation joints glued together

Oh man, actually, how many people are gonna buy two MP Dinobots because of the clone?

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918367)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 25th, 2017 @ 1:20pm CDT

Kurona wrote:
shajaki wrote:
Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.
They could release a Clone version, with his transformation joints glued together

Oh man, actually, how many people are gonna buy two MP Dinobots because of the clone?

Well, NOW that you guys brought up the idea...

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918369)
Posted by Kurona on October 25th, 2017 @ 1:29pm CDT

Of course

Come to think of it, this sort of schedule would imply MP Dinobot is coming out sometime next year, right? As are the POTP Dinobots, and any possible redecos of any of those. Year of the friggin' Dinosaurs and related creatures dude!

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918370)
Posted by shajaki on October 25th, 2017 @ 1:36pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
Kurona wrote:
shajaki wrote:
Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.
They could release a Clone version, with his transformation joints glued together

Oh man, actually, how many people are gonna buy two MP Dinobots because of the clone?
Well, NOW that you guys brought up the idea...

Because of my Dinobot Shrine, I was actually going to buy 3 right outta the gate 8-}

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918404)
Posted by shajaki on October 25th, 2017 @ 9:27pm CDT

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1918467)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 26th, 2017 @ 10:15am CDT

Kurona wrote:Of course

Come to think of it, this sort of schedule would imply MP Dinobot is coming out sometime next year, right? As are the POTP Dinobots, and any possible redecos of any of those. Year of the friggin' Dinosaurs and related creatures dude!

Well, if Dinobot ends up being MP-41 (remember that Primal fiasco with MP-31 going to an out of nowhere Delta Magnus and Primal going back to MP-32, I ain't gonna say for sure yet) he should come out around April or May, seeing as how Sunstreaker is December and Targetmaster Hot Rod is February, that would be my guess

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920111)
Posted by Va'al on November 6th, 2017 @ 4:33am CST

After the latest news about the character - his appearance in the Kabam Studios Forged to Fight mobile game, reported here - we have another update on the next figure in a high-end collectible toyline from Takara Tomy Transformers: Masterpiece MP-41 Dinobot, the third of the Beast Wars character to receive the plastic incarnation treatment!

While we still have very little news about the fan-favourite Predacon turned Maximal, Loopaza Mega Store on Facebook brings us a release date and a price - and you may not be happy about the latter. According to their source, we're looking at 28000 Yen (approx 245 USD at the time of writing), making it the priciest MP figure to date, due in July 2018. What do you make of this new information? Is it a turn-off? Let us know in the Energon Pub!

Takaratomy Transformers Next Masterpiece

We have a confirmation on the coming up Transformers Masterpiece MP-41 will be the expected Dinobot from Beast Wars. But there is surprising pricey on him as we have been told the Retail Price is 28,000 JPY!

Meanwhile, we are not sure how big Dinobot will be or just Takaratomy send out a wrong information on the price. If this is the final case, Dinobot will be the most expensive MP so far.

Price: 28,000 JPY
Release Date: July, 2018

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920119)
Posted by Ironhidensh on November 6th, 2017 @ 5:07am CST

Well that is a massive deal breaker, if true. I won't even pay that for superior 3rd party product.

It has to be an error.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920124)
Posted by Va'al on November 6th, 2017 @ 5:33am CST

Ironhidensh wrote:Well that is a massive deal breaker, if true. I won't even pay that for superior 3rd party product.

It has to be an error.

We are waiting for other sources to confirm what the situation actually is, but that is currently the price reported by all retailers carrying the figure.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920127)
Posted by Insurgent on November 6th, 2017 @ 5:53am CST

Hell no. Only time I've paid that much was either a 3P combiner, or TM3 Megatron. And even then, they were a rarity because it was my favourite combiner and a Beast Wars botcon that was the last one. But for a regular MP release? Unless it comes with a full sized Axalon control room diorama with tables and chairs, all interest in this has gone instantly.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920132)
Posted by Black Bumblebee on November 6th, 2017 @ 6:53am CST

If they are keeping Dinobot in scale with the other MP figures, he should be a head taller than MP Primal... but... yikes. I don't see that causing such a price hike. What are they expecting to include with him, a MP Rattrap to ride on top of him???

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920133)
Posted by Immortal Starscream on November 6th, 2017 @ 7:02am CST

what in the holy hand grenades of antiok are they thinking? what does he come with? the axalon bridge?

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920134)
Posted by Randomhero on November 6th, 2017 @ 7:16am CST

Megatron was that price so he’s gotta he that big. I mean he is dinobot after all and he better come with a slew of accessories. His blaster from code of a hero, swappable bartle damage, golden discs etc

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920135)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 6th, 2017 @ 7:44am CST

Maybe he'll come with his full-size clone who transforms into a wall mount.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920137)
Posted by MrBlack on November 6th, 2017 @ 7:45am CST

BBTS has their preorder up at $249. I assume that's based on the same info Takara sent other retailers.

Unless Dinobot is as complex a figure as MP Megatron I can't see any justification for that price. If this is the new reality for Masterpiece figures, I'm out.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920143)
Posted by Marcdachamp on November 6th, 2017 @ 8:04am CST

Gonna go ahead and echo what everyone else is saying: unless there's some kind of an error or he really does come with some amazing accessories, I'm out. Shame, too.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920144)
Posted by wilcosu35 on November 6th, 2017 @ 8:19am CST

It has to be some kind of mistake. Surely they can't charge such prices for a figure that will be slightly taller than MP Ironhide?

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920145)
Posted by Hydrargyrus on November 6th, 2017 @ 8:20am CST

Maybe he’s life-size.
Like, the size of a real lizard chicken.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920147)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 6th, 2017 @ 8:22am CST

*With Golden Disk accessories made from real gold!*

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920151)
Posted by shajaki on November 6th, 2017 @ 8:46am CST

I'm really looking forward to how this is justified.

I mean, just think of the price point MP-10 is/was at... And all the stuff he came with. He better come with EVERY accessory ever seen in BW :roll:

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920152)
Posted by Octobotimus on November 6th, 2017 @ 8:47am CST

they did this because they can. they got away with mp 36, and thought "the fools actually buy this stuff for $200+". if people blindly except it and pay the prices, takara will keep doing this.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920153)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 6th, 2017 @ 8:50am CST

MagicDeath wrote:Maybe he’s life-size.
Like, the size of a real lizard chicken.

If he were a real Velociraptor, yes. But Dinobot is based on those from Jurassic Park, who are more similar to the taller Deinonychus. The real animal was still only about half human sized however. Coincidentally, Utahraptor was unveiled a few years prior, and was roughly the height of a standard human. Food for thought :lol:

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920155)
Posted by Rated X on November 6th, 2017 @ 9:03am CST

Pages of people tapping out over the price...but how much you wanna bet this thing sells out upon arrival? Then the restock sells for $270 and everybody on here bites the bullet. Thats what happened to me for MP-36. Good thing im not a hardcore BW fan. Im done with MP unless they come out with Blitzwing, Astrotrain, Reflector, or the Insecticons. (Or more Yes Model seekers lol)

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920160)
Posted by Cobotron on November 6th, 2017 @ 9:35am CST

For that price he better come with Rat Trap and Rhinox.

And a steak dinner.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920164)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 6th, 2017 @ 9:56am CST

Cobotron wrote:For that price he better come with Rat Trap and Rhinox.

And a steak dinner.

Mmmmm, Steak dinner

But really though, that is an insane price. Surely he is not more complex than Megatron, and if he is, that is ridiculous.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920175)
Posted by NTESHFT on November 6th, 2017 @ 10:30am CST

Even though I'm not worried at all about Dinobot, the price makes me wonder what they are gonna charge for Megatron.... :BANG_HEAD:

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920178)
Posted by Lore Keeper on November 6th, 2017 @ 10:44am CST

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920186)
Posted by Blurrz on November 6th, 2017 @ 11:14am CST

That price is laughable. I'll wait for what the Japanese etailers have it listed at before I start freaking out.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920187)
Posted by TheMuffin on November 6th, 2017 @ 11:16am CST

So I got cheetor for $70 and Primal for $70... How can that price be justified? I can understand that a lot of engineering has gone into the toy, but charging 3 times the price of the other two figures in the line seems wrong. Even $140 is reaching the high end of what I was expecting.

I hope it's wrong. I really do. I buy so few transformers any more so not at least having all the BW MP would be a bummer.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920195)
Posted by wilcosu35 on November 6th, 2017 @ 11:35am CST

I hope they made a mistake and it's 12800

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920197)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 6th, 2017 @ 11:43am CST

Maybe it's secretly a three-pack of MP Dinobot, MP Transmetal McDinobot, and MP Transmetal 2 Dinobot.

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920198)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on November 6th, 2017 @ 11:46am CST

So the price is clearly because Takara Tomy included a crossover with Hirohiko Araki, You're able to use MP Dinobot to turn yourself into a Utahraptor much like the Stand {Scary Monsters}. Duh

Re: New Image of Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot in Raptor Mode (1920227)
Posted by Emerje on November 6th, 2017 @ 1:30pm CST

Dinobot should only be a little taller than Primal which isn't enough to explain the price jump. I doubt complexity would be much different from Cheetor either. That means they probably did something entirely unnecessary with this figure like stick a motor in his tail to make it spin. He'll probably also have light up eyes like Primal to imitate his lasers. I also wouldn't be surprised if he came with some protohumans as well. Not sure if all of that is enough to explain the price, but it's a start.

Emerje

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