Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Sabrewing wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:Think about how heavy a four foot Unicron would be. Go pick up a TR Fort Max and imagine something twice as heavy as that. I Can't imagine a toy that cumbersome being very fun to transform and play with.
If it's twice as big, it would be eight times as heavy, not two.
megatronus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Flashwave wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:A Beast themed City Bot could have work just as well. Just saying.
But who do you do? Scorpinok? Fans will want him to match Fortress Maximus in scale and asthetic. Trust me, asthetic does matter, but only when its not right. That just leaves... Chela? Orcanoch? A Titan Class Tako Tank? I'm not sure who the more onscure character would be there.
Absolutely Scorponok. He was the only City Bot to have three legitimate alt-modes. I've said this elsewhere but the City Bots should have been released as sets/pairs. So all the more reason Scorponok should have followed Trypticon over Predaking. Completing the City Bot line while at the same time remaining inkeeping with the beast themed aesthetic they sought to continue with the combiner.
As an aside and I've mentioned this elsewhere too, it would be nice if Hasbro/Takara would remember there are more than two Gestalts in Tranformers. They don't have to keep repeating Devastator and Predaking over and over again. Piranacon would also have matched up to a beast themed combiner and HasTak hasn't shown the Seacons any love at all in a long time. Likewise with Monstructor too, for that matter...
Alternating between city bots and combiners is smart. It decreases collector fatigue for these huge robots, and gives parents justification to buy more and/or different product from year to year. That said, I wish Devastator was executed better.
megatronus wrote:City bot two packs would be crazy good for collectors... but an unmitigated disaster. Very few would put up the money for them until they clearance out. Metroplex and Fort Max were both liquidated, Trypticon was also regularly 30% or more off. Imagine the business reckoning if they actually sold 2 Titans together.
megatronus wrote:Devastator is the first and most iconic combiner, and it's not like we've gotten a huge number of (good) ones. Really just the Titan. Asking Hasbro to stop reverting to Devastator is like asking them to maybe shift the focus away from Optimus Prime --- never gonna happen.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Personally I'm not keen on the idea of non-Transforming playsets in Transformers. However, while I have zero interest in Star Wars, akin to the barge how about Hasbro making detailed models of the ships of Transformers? The Nemesis, Revenge, Axalon, Ark, Quintesson.. Corkscrew etc Maybe even diecast too?megatronus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Flashwave wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:A Beast themed City Bot could have work just as well. Just saying.
But who do you do? Scorpinok? Fans will want him to match Fortress Maximus in scale and asthetic. Trust me, asthetic does matter, but only when its not right. That just leaves... Chela? Orcanoch? A Titan Class Tako Tank? I'm not sure who the more onscure character would be there.
Absolutely Scorponok. He was the only City Bot to have three legitimate alt-modes. I've said this elsewhere but the City Bots should have been released as sets/pairs. So all the more reason Scorponok should have followed Trypticon over Predaking. Completing the City Bot line while at the same time remaining inkeeping with the beast themed aesthetic they sought to continue with the combiner.
As an aside and I've mentioned this elsewhere too, it would be nice if Hasbro/Takara would remember there are more than two Gestalts in Tranformers. They don't have to keep repeating Devastator and Predaking over and over again. Piranacon would also have matched up to a beast themed combiner and HasTak hasn't shown the Seacons any love at all in a long time. Likewise with Monstructor too, for that matter...
Alternating between city bots and combiners is smart. It decreases collector fatigue for these huge robots, and gives parents justification to buy more and/or different product from year to year. That said, I wish Devastator was executed better.
The thing is they only have one more City Bot left! Make Scorponok and the City Bot line is complete. It's so frustrating for HasTak to not be compelled to finish a line that is 3/4 done and then move onto the next thing. Scorponok is legitimately different enough to stand out to consumers/collectors anyway.megatronus wrote:City bot two packs would be crazy good for collectors... but an unmitigated disaster. Very few would put up the money for them until they clearance out. Metroplex and Fort Max were both liquidated, Trypticon was also regularly 30% or more off. Imagine the business reckoning if they actually sold 2 Titans together.
I didn't mean sell them in packs of two, I meant make them as a set of two IE Metroplex>Trypticon, Optimus>Megatron etc When you make one toy, the next should be the rival character. It's not like the entire cast of TF isn't virtually paired off to make this a feasible retail option.megatronus wrote:Devastator is the first and most iconic combiner, and it's not like we've gotten a huge number of (good) ones. Really just the Titan. Asking Hasbro to stop reverting to Devastator is like asking them to maybe shift the focus away from Optimus Prime --- never gonna happen.
This is what I was getting at before. HasTak seems forever stuck in a rut of repeating the "popular" characters over and over again. EG rumours of yet another Optimus Prime in the MP line next year! It's ridiculous and the fanbase is just as much to blame as Hasbro themselves.
Yeah, many of the later edition Gestalt's weren't fantastic. Yet if Hasbro applied themselves to redesigning those lesser combiner teams today, instead of sticking to the Lazy/Safe option who knows how good the Horrorcons, Seacons etc could look with their current know-how?
Personally I love the Decepticons (there are subtle clues). They are the best characters in all of Transformers in my eyes. BUT, I am sick of seeing Devastator, Predaking and the Seekers heading up every Official and 3rd Party G1 based line, because fans and creators alike seem so resistant to change. Surely there are only so many times you can make the same Starscream and his alternate palettes?
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It reminds me of other lines I saw growing up. The ones with 15 variants of Batman/Wolverine/Spider-Man etc "Arctic Camo" "Jungle explorer", "Cyborg ____" et al
I'm not saying to stop making the core cast, but limit their release. For example, if there were two lines of, say Ten each, HasLab TF exclusives. Make ONE Prime for that line and that's it. Everyone else be someone different.
G1 grasped that concept in the 80's. The Transformers contains more than the core roster. HasTak needs to occasionally ignore "the fans" and remember that.
There is no need for "Golden" Optimus Prime or "Stealth Camo" Bumblebee sharing space with MP-10 Prime and MP-21 Bumblebee. Novelty "special edition" or not, they simply become shelfwarmers and I'm sure sales should reflect that.
Delta Magnus wrote:This is because you are a hamhanded idiot.
megatronus wrote:So, I've seen:
-Unicron enthusiasm
-Titan Tidal Wave
-Ark/Nemesis sets
-TF/GI Joe Crossover
What other 'grails' (let's leave Scorponok & Omega Supreme out of this for now) would we want to see? I don't think we necessarily need to think beyond the Titan concept, but if we stay within that mindset, we should go for some unique redeco...
Metrotitan? He'd be neat.
Quintessons? Face swap gimmick a must!
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:megatronus wrote:So, I've seen:
-Unicron enthusiasm
-Titan Tidal Wave
-Ark/Nemesis sets
-TF/GI Joe Crossover
What other 'grails' (let's leave Scorponok & Omega Supreme out of this for now) would we want to see? I don't think we necessarily need to think beyond the Titan concept, but if we stay within that mindset, we should go for some unique redeco...
Metrotitan? He'd be neat.
Quintessons? Face swap gimmick a must!
If we leave Omega Supreme out, then I'm out. I don't mean that to sound snarky, it's just that he is the only large character I'd be willing to drop 500 dollars on, if done right of course.
I have zero interest in a fancy Unicron, or city bots. Tidal Wave, though, I would have serious interest in.
Delta Magnus wrote:This is because you are a hamhanded idiot.
steals_your_goats wrote:I think you're stuck in your own thoughts at this point and you can't accept anything else. NO ONE EVER SAID THAT SCORPONOK WON'T HAPPEN.
megatronus wrote:So, I've seen:
-Unicron enthusiasm
-Titan Tidal Wave
-Ark/Nemesis sets
-TF/GI Joe Crossover
What other 'grails' (let's leave Scorponok & Omega Supreme out of this for now) would we want to see? I don't think we necessarily need to think beyond the Titan concept, but if we stay within that mindset, we should go for some unique redeco...
Metrotitan? He'd be neat.
Quintessons? Face swap gimmick a must!
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:A Beast themed City Bot could have work just as well. Just saying.
ZeroWolf wrote:Was that Unicron supposed to have an electronic gimmick? Looking over those pictures again I can see a flap that serves no purpose with the transformation.
NeonPrime wrote:I'm pretty content with the Amazon exclusive from 2011. HOWEVER...if they did a G1 version based on the original prototype from the '86 movie (but with modern engineering)I'd totally open my wallet with no hesitation what so ever.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's so crazy they never released that. Even if the prototype ended up being the final product, that would have sold out everywhere. It is funny that although from the same era, just as a prototype, Unicron visually appears a lot more refined and poseable than Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus etc
steals_your_goats wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Exactly, Predaking. Who wasn't even a part of the list Trypticon won. Licensing issues aside, when was the last time you saw Hasbro make Omega Supreme? The G1 Encore from 2008. When was the last time they made G1 Scorponok? A Japan-exclusive repaint in 1988..
In Hasbro's eyes, these are not retail releases. Unicron has been since 2003.
Right, obviously they're not going to release the poll losers immediately after the winner. What would have been the point then? And the poll was for the next Titan not which figure gets a Titan. They're going to do the other two people just need to be patient. And you obviously missed my point about Predaking matching the current play pattern. That is a big deal to Hasbro with this trilogy. Omega and Scorponok are going to happen and they're going to be retail releases.
megatronus wrote:
I wouldn't say Transformers is necessarily second tier to Hasbro's licensed properties, like Star Wars and Marvel, but I highly, highly doubt Unicron was the 'first thing' on board. That's the point of this thread - to gauge interest! The Brand Team is legit curious if there's support for a project like this within the fan community. My understanding is that Transformers fans tend to have less expendable income than, say, Star Wars or Marvel fans, so support for or ability to fund a more-expensive-than-Titan project is genuine question.
lakebot wrote:steals_your_goats wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Exactly, Predaking. Who wasn't even a part of the list Trypticon won. Licensing issues aside, when was the last time you saw Hasbro make Omega Supreme? The G1 Encore from 2008. When was the last time they made G1 Scorponok? A Japan-exclusive repaint in 1988..
In Hasbro's eyes, these are not retail releases. Unicron has been since 2003.
Right, obviously they're not going to release the poll losers immediately after the winner. What would have been the point then? And the poll was for the next Titan not which figure gets a Titan. They're going to do the other two people just need to be patient. And you obviously missed my point about Predaking matching the current play pattern. That is a big deal to Hasbro with this trilogy. Omega and Scorponok are going to happen and they're going to be retail releases.
So why can't Unicron be one? What would seem to be this concern? The pricing? It really doesn't have to be three feet tall or more. Yes I know to have it scaled properly and all that but that's what I seem to see people saying is it might be too big or create a space issue. I know if there was one that big and I purchased it, it's going on the floor.
hurricane567 wrote:How about a G1 Ark that opens into a playset for Legion scale Transformers?
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