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SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:mirageandjazz1197 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.
My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.
Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.
Did you guys not see the ship getting bombed by the jets at the end in the background during Prime's last speech?
If the ships not destroyed then the remaining crew on Lockdown's ship took it (there are still a lot of crew members and prisoners that they could release that are still on the ship)
I just watched that final part you were talking about, and it's no wonder I didn't notice it. Amongst all the major action going on with Optimus setting off Lockdown's grenade and jetting away to safety with the humans in his arms, in the last few seconds, I saw a few jets firing at the ship in the background.
Granted, I didn't watch it at a theater/cinema, so the 14" screen on my notebook computer might have something to do with me missing the details. If they'd actually shown a scene with just the jets in closeup firing at the ship, it would have been harder to miss.
Either way, it doesn't look like the jets did much, if any, damage to the ship. And let's just say Lockdown's subordinates did actually escape with the ship, at least show it as an post-credits scene, like how Starscream was shown flying off into space in TF1. Maybe have the ship's crew talking in subtitled Cybertronian, saying they must inform the Creators of what happened before Optimus arrives. It would have worked as a foreshadow to TF5, with the Creators now ready to set a trap for Optimus.
Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.
I thought they made it pretty obvious that the ship was retreating.
How is it obvious that the ship was retreating? The ship was still hanging around in the background up to the very last moments until the camera closed in on the humans and Autobots, and was never shown leaving Earth.
If you want to believe that they could have left Earth in those few seconds when the camera was focused on Optimus and everyone else, feel free to do so. It's your right. But it's also my right to want to see something confirmed on camera.
The ship was moving away from the city. And remember, it takes a minimum of 7 minutes for the dark matter drives to kick in, so it can travel at light speed. If they showed it leaving within that short amount of time, more people would have been complaining about "plot holes." And that would have been a legitimate plot hole. Yeah, they could have showed it leaving Earth after the credits, but what if it didn't? Bay did say that before the movie even came out that the ship had a story of its own, and would probably be expanded upon in the future.
Honestly, the first few times I watched the movie, I though the KSI drones raided the ship.
Smokescreen wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.
Or simply don't think.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:mirageandjazz1197 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.
My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.
Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.
Did you guys not see the ship getting bombed by the jets at the end in the background during Prime's last speech?
If the ships not destroyed then the remaining crew on Lockdown's ship took it (there are still a lot of crew members and prisoners that they could release that are still on the ship)
I just watched that final part you were talking about, and it's no wonder I didn't notice it. Amongst all the major action going on with Optimus setting off Lockdown's grenade and jetting away to safety with the humans in his arms, in the last few seconds, I saw a few jets firing at the ship in the background.
Granted, I didn't watch it at a theater/cinema, so the 14" screen on my notebook computer might have something to do with me missing the details. If they'd actually shown a scene with just the jets in closeup firing at the ship, it would have been harder to miss.
Either way, it doesn't look like the jets did much, if any, damage to the ship. And let's just say Lockdown's subordinates did actually escape with the ship, at least show it as an post-credits scene, like how Starscream was shown flying off into space in TF1. Maybe have the ship's crew talking in subtitled Cybertronian, saying they must inform the Creators of what happened before Optimus arrives. It would have worked as a foreshadow to TF5, with the Creators now ready to set a trap for Optimus.
Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.
I thought they made it pretty obvious that the ship was retreating.
How is it obvious that the ship was retreating? The ship was still hanging around in the background up to the very last moments until the camera closed in on the humans and Autobots, and was never shown leaving Earth.
If you want to believe that they could have left Earth in those few seconds when the camera was focused on Optimus and everyone else, feel free to do so. It's your right. But it's also my right to want to see something confirmed on camera.
The ship was moving away from the city. And remember, it takes a minimum of 7 minutes for the dark matter drives to kick in, so it can travel at light speed. If they showed it leaving within that short amount of time, more people would have been complaining about "plot holes." And that would have been a legitimate plot hole. Yeah, they could have showed it leaving Earth after the credits, but what if it didn't? Bay did say that before the movie even came out that the ship had a story of its own, and would probably be expanded upon in the future.
Honestly, the first few times I watched the movie, I though the KSI drones raided the ship.
So did the ship leave or didn't it? First you said it was obvious the ship left, and then you go on to say it didn't necessarily leave.
To begin with, it was Mirage&jazz that said Lockdown's crew could have left Earth. My reply to that was that if so, it would have liked to see a confirmation of that. If you want to discuss whether the ship left, you should ask him instead.
As or the dark matter drives thing, just show a scene inside the ship with the crew saying something about leaving, and starting up the drives--otherwise, it's just conjecture on your part. And if they weren't supposed to leave, then have them say something about going into stealth mode and retreating, so it can stay on Earth for TF5. As far as theories, 100 people can each come up with one, and they'll all be nothing more than head cannon until Bay and/or his writers decide what to do with TF5.
Hell, even if they don't have any budget for a CGI scene, just have one of the pilots or military officers speak into the radio saying that the ship appears to be retreating, or has activated a cloaking device, depending on whether you want the ship to leave or stay.
I want an on-screen confirmation of what happened to the ship. It's not too much to ask.
SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:mirageandjazz1197 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.
My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.
Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.
Did you guys not see the ship getting bombed by the jets at the end in the background during Prime's last speech?
If the ships not destroyed then the remaining crew on Lockdown's ship took it (there are still a lot of crew members and prisoners that they could release that are still on the ship)
I just watched that final part you were talking about, and it's no wonder I didn't notice it. Amongst all the major action going on with Optimus setting off Lockdown's grenade and jetting away to safety with the humans in his arms, in the last few seconds, I saw a few jets firing at the ship in the background.
Granted, I didn't watch it at a theater/cinema, so the 14" screen on my notebook computer might have something to do with me missing the details. If they'd actually shown a scene with just the jets in closeup firing at the ship, it would have been harder to miss.
Either way, it doesn't look like the jets did much, if any, damage to the ship. And let's just say Lockdown's subordinates did actually escape with the ship, at least show it as an post-credits scene, like how Starscream was shown flying off into space in TF1. Maybe have the ship's crew talking in subtitled Cybertronian, saying they must inform the Creators of what happened before Optimus arrives. It would have worked as a foreshadow to TF5, with the Creators now ready to set a trap for Optimus.
Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.
I thought they made it pretty obvious that the ship was retreating.
How is it obvious that the ship was retreating? The ship was still hanging around in the background up to the very last moments until the camera closed in on the humans and Autobots, and was never shown leaving Earth.
If you want to believe that they could have left Earth in those few seconds when the camera was focused on Optimus and everyone else, feel free to do so. It's your right. But it's also my right to want to see something confirmed on camera.
The ship was moving away from the city. And remember, it takes a minimum of 7 minutes for the dark matter drives to kick in, so it can travel at light speed. If they showed it leaving within that short amount of time, more people would have been complaining about "plot holes." And that would have been a legitimate plot hole. Yeah, they could have showed it leaving Earth after the credits, but what if it didn't? Bay did say that before the movie even came out that the ship had a story of its own, and would probably be expanded upon in the future.
Honestly, the first few times I watched the movie, I though the KSI drones raided the ship.
So did the ship leave or didn't it? First you said it was obvious the ship left, and then you go on to say it didn't necessarily leave.
To begin with, it was Mirage&jazz that said Lockdown's crew could have left Earth. My reply to that was that if so, it would have liked to see a confirmation of that. If you want to discuss whether the ship left, you should ask him instead.
As or the dark matter drives thing, just show a scene inside the ship with the crew saying something about leaving, and starting up the drives--otherwise, it's just conjecture on your part. And if they weren't supposed to leave, then have them say something about going into stealth mode and retreating, so it can stay on Earth for TF5. As far as theories, 100 people can each come up with one, and they'll all be nothing more than head cannon until Bay and/or his writers decide what to do with TF5.
Hell, even if they don't have any budget for a CGI scene, just have one of the pilots or military officers speak into the radio saying that the ship appears to be retreating, or has activated a cloaking device, depending on whether you want the ship to leave or stay.
I want an on-screen confirmation of what happened to the ship. It's not too much to ask.
I said it was retreating. I never said it left Earth. If it did, though, it would have taken a minimum of 7 minutes. Hopefully, we find out where it went in TF5.
Burn wrote:No need to be like that.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Hell, even if they don't have any budget for a CGI scene, just have one of the pilots or military officers speak into the radio saying that the ship appears to be retreating, or has activated a cloaking device, depending on whether you want the ship to leave or stay.
Smokescreen wrote:Or that it just vanished. Which could be left up to interpretation by whomever. (But then there might be a lot of arguments as to what happened when it vanished)
Rodimus Prime wrote:Unless Prime finds bigger bad guys in space, which, I'm sure he will.
To be fair, "flying through space via a jetpack" is nothing new to TF fiction, let alone science fiction in general.Blast Cannon wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Unless Prime finds bigger bad guys in space, which, I'm sure he will.
Like gravity. On account of his trying to fly through space using a bloody jet pack.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:To be fair, "flying through space via a jetpack" is nothing new to TF fiction, let alone science fiction in general.Blast Cannon wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Unless Prime finds bigger bad guys in space, which, I'm sure he will.
Like gravity. On account of his trying to fly through space using a bloody jet pack.
ZeroWolf wrote:Sabrblade wrote:To be fair, "flying through space via a jetpack" is nothing new to TF fiction, let alone science fiction in general.Blast Cannon wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Unless Prime finds bigger bad guys in space, which, I'm sure he will.
Like gravity. On account of his trying to fly through space using a bloody jet pack.
Yeah, like explosions in space. We know firery and impressive looking explosions can't happen because of the lack of oxygen but it doesn't stop the special effects people
Blast Cannon wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Unless Prime finds bigger bad guys in space, which, I'm sure he will.
Like gravity. On account of his trying to fly through space using a bloody jet pack.
In answering that whole question, it is evident that Cullen was very uncomfortable and felt regret towards having spoken that one line in that movie, so imagine how he felt having to speak so many lines about killing and dying in this one (cuz this first line of his sure wasn’t the last of Prime’s callous dialogue).Fan asking a question: “This is a-a quote question, but will you do the quote from the third movie of Transformers where Optimus is basically PO’d when he comes back, and says “We will kill them all”?
Peter Cullen: “A-A very difficult line, and, ah, I showed some hesitancy to do it. I was overruled. I was, um, coming back from, um... having not been around for a little bit and he came back and he was very angry and he lost his temper supposedly and, ah, his line was “I will kill them all.” It’s not a word that I would ever use. But it was not my choice; I was asked to do it and, uh, I did what I was told.”
Larry King: “Was that out of character?”
Peter Cullen: “Well, I, in analyzing it, Larry, I would think, I would think it was out of character. And uh, it was, it was hard for me to adjust to, and I’ve made mental adjustments to it considering even, you know, in the Bible, you know, the, the Lord, ah, lost His temper on the, the steps of the temple, too, you know? Anger is a part of, of, um, of life and, um, we all are subject to it, so, maybe this is, um, over-analytical, but that’s the way I try to appease--“
Larry King: “In other words, it means he’s human.”
Peter Cullen: “It was human, and, yeah.”
There is no honor, courteousness, or dignity in having Optimus’s first spoken line of the movie be one that disgraces the good nature of what the character stands for and means to people. Both for Cullen and for so many others who look up to and respect the Optimus character so tenderly and affectionately. And I myself am not even that big a fan of Optimus.Larry King: “What-what does Optimus Prime mean to you? How do you-- Why does the public love him?”
Peter Cullen: “Well, it was a surprise to me to find out years later, but I think it’s what he stands for. He was brilliantly created, and he’s well written, and I just added Larry [Cullen]’s composure. And I think it’s all about character, I think it’s strength of character, I think it resonates with, um, courage, dignity, honor, responsibility, um, courteousness, and strength, you know?”
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
At first, it seems like Darcy’s curious about Cade (posing as a scientist) having any conflicting feelings about mining the living components of one of the people he claimed to have interacted with before, and then it seems like Cade’s trying to open Darcy’s eyes to the dark reality of what’s really going on here, but neither inkling seems to go anywhere before the scene cuts off, so the sequence comes off as being rather odd as it is.Darcy: “Metal… Just metal. That’s what I always thought of them.
Cade: “Nn-They’re not. They’re living things. With souls like ours. I mean, once, I spoke to one.”
Darcy: “And you’re working with Transformium?”
Cade: Um, I-I, yeah, uh, that’s what I do. I am.”
Darcy: “I’m out there digging for it, there’s just not much left to find. So that’s how badly you boys need more, huh? Reduced to melting evil old Decepticons down.”
Cade: “No… That’s an Autobot, there. The ones who fought for us.”
On one side we got Joshua arguing in favor of progress and innovation, viewing the Transformers not as people but as machinery. And on the other side we have Optimus arguing for life and liberty, showing glimpses of the over-quoted yet still very valid viewpoint of freedom being the right of all sentient beings. A simple, yet very effective and well-expressed battle of dueling principles. Joshua asked for Prime to show his true colors, and that’s exactly what was given here.Joshua: “Hey! Stop! That’s company property!”
Optimus: “They’re not your property!”
Joshua: “...”
Optimus: “They were my friends.”
Brains: “Oh, y’ain’t talkin' so much now that you got Hound in front of ya, huh?!”
Joshua: “Go ahead. Show us your true colors once and for all.”
Hound: “Just give me the word. I’ll splatter ‘im.”
Joshua: “Why don’t you tell ‘Itchy Fingers’ here that this is all the spoils of war. Dead metal. Innovation. What we do here, is science. Because if we don’t do it, somebody else will! Because you cannot stop technology.
Optimus: “We’re not your technology!”
Hound: “Lemme vaporize his a**.”
Joshua: “I broke the code. I own your whole genome.”
Optimus: “The world will know what you’re doing here.”
Joshua: “The world? The world will approve. We can make you now. Don’t you get it? We don’t need you, anymore.”
Hound: “That was cruel.”
Optimus: “Autobots… we’re done.”
As cool as all that sounds, it is enormously confusing and hardly explained at all.Lockdown: “Remember this ship, Prime? Built for all you Knights, you ‘great crusaders’, to explore the universe? Well, I’ve commandeered it! It’s my personal prison, now!”[/list]
*And later…*
Lockdown: “Welcome back to the Knights’ Temenos, Prime!”
Optimus: “You have disgraced it.”
Lockdown: “Join your fellow rebels, fugitive scum. It’s for the rarest of specimens, the worst of the worst. It’s taken centuries, but I’ve collected all the Knights, but you. The Creators want to sweep their chessboard clean.
Optimus: “I’m slave to no one.”
Lockdown: “All this species-mixing-with-species… it upsets the cosmic balance. The Creators, they don’t like it. They built you to do what you were told!”
Remember when I said I’d get into Megatron’s head later? (No, not like that!) It is now ‘later’ and I’m going in. (Stop thinking like that!)Optimus: “You humans… After all we have done… you don’t know what you’ve wrought upon yourselves.”
Cade: “What?! What is it now? What are you talking about? I mean, I’m doing stuff out of my league, here?!”
Optimus: You don’t see who’s controlling who. Within that manmade prototype I fought, I sensed the presence… of Megatron.”
Cade: “What, the Decepticon who started the Chicago war?”
Brains: “How’dya think KSI built those bots in the first place, hmm? They had a whole mess o’ dead Decepticon heads, and they were downloadin’ their minds! And I was in charge o’ autopsy duty. No union, no benefits, no nuthin’. They hooked me up to Megatron, and that mind wasn’t as dead as they thought. He fed ‘em the science and specs, all so they could build him a brand new body! Then, he infected it, with his evil nasty chromosomes. That red beady eye, hoo, got all’a them a lovely lots, oh I can smell it right now! Total inside custom job! KSI might’a named the body the snappy name of ‘Galvatron’, but that’s just Megatron reincarnated.”
Tessa: “You knew this and you didn’t warn them?”
Brains: “Little girl, you can go to a pretty dark place when you on death row. He’s been playin’ KSI all this time, all so that he could manipulate ‘em into goin’ after the Seed.”
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:AOE review
Sabrblade wrote:
This was it. This was the breaking point for me on my first viewing the movie. This was the point that officially turned me off on the movie. I almost wanted to walk out of the film right then and there the first time I saw it. Not because they killed Lucas off, but because of how they killed him off. I mean, seriously, was there anyone in their right mind, any sane person out there who was asking for this? Asking for something so grotesque, so disturbing, so callously and maliciously cruel to be put into this children’s toy movie? And then to have the movie linger on the corpse for so looooong…
SlyTF1 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:
This was it. This was the breaking point for me on my first viewing the movie. This was the point that officially turned me off on the movie. I almost wanted to walk out of the film right then and there the first time I saw it. Not because they killed Lucas off, but because of how they killed him off. I mean, seriously, was there anyone in their right mind, any sane person out there who was asking for this? Asking for something so grotesque, so disturbing, so callously and maliciously cruel to be put into this children’s toy movie? And then to have the movie linger on the corpse for so looooong…
Me. I thought it was badass.
Also, for the thing about Optimus being introduced that way, people are already complaining about the movie being "the exact same thing as the last 3." Introducing Optimus in such a broken down and vulnerable manner is supposed to illustrate just how dire the stakes are. After 3 movies of him heroically rolling out and saving the day, it's nice to see that he can be brought low like this. And honestly, if he really was going to kill the humans, he would have done it. The line "I'll kill you," was an idle threat to get them to back off. Optimus even said he vowed never to kill humans. He never had any intentions of truly killing them. His words and actions were purely defensive.
The movie's been out for over three months and is now available in stores. Spoilers have long since been fair game.Smokescreen wrote:Psst.. Sabr.. good review, but do you think you can put this all in a spoiler alert bracket? That is for those who haven't seen the movie yet?
Igor's head was his body. Megatron's head wasn't.chivesbot20 wrote:And with Megatrons head surviving, think about Igor as a previous example.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
chivesbot20 wrote:Great review. But Skywarped 128 If the only villain was Lockdown, The movie would drag even more IMO. BUt the one part I disagree with is the parts on Optimus…….every part. But other wise the review is great and can't wait til part 3
Sabrblade wrote:Igor's head was his body. Megatron's head wasn't.
For all that this movie has done to Optimus to give him a character arc, for ill or for good, this scene is one of the few that cannot be denied as being a fine example of this movie trying to do right by Optimus’s arc. Optimus has lost faith in humanity, and here we see a member of the people who have betrayed him trying to show him that there is still goodness in the world. As the Batman character Jim Gordon said to a young Bruce Wayne in the first episode of the new Gotham TV series, “However dark and scary the world might be right now, there will be light.” This scene is one of the very few in this and all of the TF movies that serves to remind us of the small glimmer of hope that exists among all the misery in the world, and that if we hold onto and chase after that hope, it can and will lead to a brighter tomorrow.Cade: “You said you were done fighting for humans, you didn’t mean that, did you?”
Optimus: “How many more of my kind must be sacrificed, to atone for your mistakes?”
Cade: “Well, What do you think being human means? That’s what we do. We make mistakes. Sometimes out of those mistakes come the most amazing things. When I fixed you, it was for a reward. That was it. That was why. For money. That was me making a mistake. Without it you wouldn’t be here. Even if you’ve got no faith in us, I’m asking to do what I’d do. I’m asking to look at all the junk and see the treasure. You gotta have faith, Prime. In who we can be.”
That is to say, until the last part, in which his tone shifts into an uncomfortably threatening one. Cuz, you know, threatening the guy you just freed from prison because you want them to help you, and who are twice your size, is always such a good idea."Legendary warriors, the powers that created us now want us all extinguished. We must join forces, or else forever be their slaves. So today, you stand with us, or you stand against me."
This is a line that all of the movies could stand to learn from, rather than forcibly shoving Optimus into a situation where he had to direct murder a human just for shock value."Grimlock! I see your pain, but this is not the answer! Whatever the creature is--perhaps part of a race created even before us--it is still life! I understand you, Grimlock--I always have. Like Scorponok, you walk the fine line between good and evil, Autobot and Decepticon! Your mind is a perpetual battleground, your war a lonely struggle against your own nature! Give in to hate and anger and you lose! Part of you dies! But every time you find peace, stay the hand that slays, you win! That is why you must remember that whatever shape it wears, it is still life. And life is the most precious thing of all!"
Which now comes off as a very hypocritical line in hindsight.Ironhide: "The parents are very irritating. Can I take them out?
Optimus: "Ironhide, you know we don't harm humans! What is with you?!"
In this bit, we learn that, even though the Autobots are aware of their Creators’ existence, they do not know who they are. Meaning that there is some leeway for the first movie’s claim that the AllSpark was the Transformers’ only known source of life to still fit in here, in that they acknowledged the AllSpark as being what made their race, while the Creators were something less known to them. Still, though, that doesn’t excuse their knowing of their Creators’ existence even if they don’t know who exactly the Creators are. If they know about the Creators at all, that still conflicts with their previous recognition as the AllSpark being the progenitor of their race. Sure, we could speculate that the AllSpark was simply a tool used by the Creators to make the TFs, but that’s all that is, speculation. And we were specifically told that it was the AllSpark, not someone or something else using the AllSpark, but the AllSpark itself, that made their race. We can only hope for some better explanation/reconciliation to come in the next movie, but it’s all still wait and see at this point.Optimus: “This Seed belongs to our Creators. Whoever they are. There remains a price on my head. I endanger you all if I stay. I shall take it where it can never be found.”
Cade: “Will we ever see you again?”
Optimus: “Cade Yeager, I do not know. But whenever you look to the stars, think of one of them… as my soul. Defend this family, Autobots, as they have you. Defend… all they can be.”
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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