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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby leokearon » Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:14 am

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leokearon wrote:If they do a animated Cybertron movie it won't have to be in any continuity

Why cant it be just a prequel to that opening scene in Bumblebee?


They could be when it send animated, I'm hoping for something like Into the Spider-verse (animated movie separate from Live-Action) where they don't have to be bogged down with continuity
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Re: Discussion on Next Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Flashwave » Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:56 am

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leokearon wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
leokearon wrote:If they do a animated Cybertron movie it won't have to be in any continuity

Why cant it be just a prequel to that opening scene in Bumblebee?


They could be when it send animated, I'm hoping for something like Into the Spider-verse (animated movie separate from Live-Action) where they don't have to be bogged down with continuity

Well sure. But have you met this Fandom? Cramming Square Peg Plots into Round Hole Continuities is a Write of Passage for us. :lol:

Personally, I was not a fan of the Optimus Prime Comics. I liked it in premise and some of the supporting roles, seeing the Camien perspective of a Prime and even the Autobots’ themselves of the title was neat. But I feel like they took Prime too far afield for me. That said, some of the IDW Prewar stuff, such as the Lost Light story of Prime stealing the Matrix Bomb could lend its style to a Pre-War Cybertron story well enough without overshadowing the Pedestal Prime is usually on. I think Prime’s viewpoint would be a great way to do it, particularly if they started him off as a Laborer and not as a Police Officer, because that would put him in the same situations that Megatron was in. But the Police job gives him more flexaibility to actually do something about it.

Actually, I think Megatron would be the best POV but You risk creating a sympathetic villain. That’s not always a bad thing, but for the Movie going public, you are pretty much told from the start that Megatron is BAD, Like Uber villain. But wouldn’t it be cool if, maybe Megatron was always a bit twisted but Optimus was the one to keep him on the nobler path, and it was Starscream who secretly convinced the Council to make Optimus a Prime, and then started whispering in Megatron’s ear to go full Nutso-cookoo homicidal ragekill? That could be why Screamer manages to stick around despite Megatron’s many backhandings, because he wormed his way into Megatron’s trust and played to his urges, and now Screamer is a bad habit Megs cannot quit.
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Combat Zero » Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:16 am

With how well Bumblebee turned out with its depth on character development and story, I can’t wait to see how they’re going to flesh out Optimus’s character next.
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Coptur » Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:42 pm

Megatron should be out and out BAD this is where IDW MK1 got the while autobot/deception cause's wrong.
The Primes should all be noble with the exception of the Fallen (liege maximo is a poor idea for a prime)

I fully understand characters with layers but megs and op work well as black and white characters op should be a sweaky clean Captain America type and megs like the red skull.
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Deadput » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:39 am

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Coptur wrote:Megatron should be out and out BAD this is where IDW MK1 got the while autobot/deception cause's wrong.
The Primes should all be noble with the exception of the Fallen (liege maximo is a poor idea for a prime)

I fully understand characters with layers but megs and op work well as black and white characters op should be a sweaky clean Captain America type and megs like the red skull.

I think Liege Maximo can work as a Prime, not as a "villain" but not a good guy either, the only thing wrong with Liege as a Prime is that his name has nothing to do with the established Prime naming, lets look at the Primes from the "Hasbro" version since that's likely to be the one used

Prima
Vector Prime
Alpha Trion
Solus Prime
Micronus Prime
Alchemist Prime
Nexus Prime
Amalgamous Prime
Quintus Prime
Liege Maximo
Megatronus Prime (The Fallen)
The Thirteenth Prime (Optimus Prime in aligned but we all know this is a stupid idea, I have my own but that's not relevant here)

The only ones who break this naming scheme is Prima, Alpha Trion and Liege Maximo and the other two can be justified, Prima being the first should be the outlier and the one who formally established the Prime title with the others being given the title after him, as for Alpha Trion it can simply be that he changed his name from say Alpha Prime to Alpha Trion to better hide himself amongst the population of Cybertron just like how Maccadam might or might not be Alchemist Prime.


Alright does anyone remember Logos Prime? https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Logos_Prime He was the only pre aligned 13 Prime who wasn't put among the group because Hasbro didn't consider him as a canon choice for theirs.

Liege and Logos? Sort of similar words in spelling,

My idea is to merge the two together into one character, Logos Prime being his original name but in the modern day he hides himself by pretending to be an organic giant galactic mob boss named Liege Maximo, sort of like a Pretender but not exactly.

This would almost perfectly get rid of all the issues of Liege being a member of the 13 as well as finding a way to make both physical forms of the character work, one giant organic like being as his modern day form and a more smaller "loki" look as his original form.

I would also tweak the horns to be like TLK Megatron's where they start as horns on the side of his head but they close in to become a battle mask which gives Liege the Prime face mask look!

(I won't get into it here but I think the 13'th Autobot should be the "Matrix itself, someone who used to be his own form but became the Matrix to help Cybertron and guide successor Primes but without being in site, the ultimate robot in disguise, but when they need his help against someone like The Fallen or Unicron at the end of the series or something, The Autobots build a body and install his "Spark" the Matrix into this body...that being The Last Autobot)

I also like the idea that the each of the Primes being split from...well I don't know to be representatives of a part of the universe, Megatronus being "darkness/war" so he isn't evil because he's a good guy turned traitor or wants to be but because that's what he's designed to be, this would tie to my idea that Primus himself isn't good but instead represents Order as opposed to Unicron's Chaos so Primus does things for order and balance in the universe and not the greater good which is why someone like him who might be Cybertron would even let the war between Autobots and Decepticons happen or why he lets "evil/bad/flawed" individuals be made in the first place.

In other words I'm sure I could make the 13 original Primes idea into something with good writing and deep characters instead of being backstory fodder.
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Coptur » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:04 am

Good post Readout
I have a few ideas myself
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby 9adam83 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:52 pm

New Animated movie.....let me guess...Megatron will be a female and not a gun. Optimus will be gay and the rest of the cast will cry about being victims of the decepticons.... I'd really love to see a G1 animated movie in the style of the 86 movie that continues the G1 storyline and pays tribute to those of us that think bayformers crap is not Transformers. The lack of creative ideas from Hollyweird just reinforces they idea that people pay money for crap. One can dream of G1 Transformers one day coming back onto the screen. :RUBSIGN: :KREMZEEK: :CON: :BOT:
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Deadput » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:11 pm

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9adam83 wrote:New Animated movie.....let me guess...Megatron will be a female and not a gun. Optimus will be gay and the rest of the cast will cry about being victims of the decepticons.... I'd really love to see a G1 animated movie in the style of the 86 movie that continues the G1 storyline and pays tribute to those of us that think bayformers crap is not Transformers. The lack of creative ideas from Hollyweird just reinforces they idea that people pay money for crap. One can dream of G1 Transformers one day coming back onto the screen. :RUBSIGN: :KREMZEEK: :CON: :BOT:

I mean I honestly doubt they would change it that much, it's not Star Wars you can't just make up a new cast for Transformers.

Especially not with how the Bumblebee movie went and the positive reception to the G1 stuff

Megatron however will never be a gun ever again, not mentioning the fact that a gun is the dumbest alt mode he has ever had, there is a thing called "modernization" as well as the fact that Hasbro can't sell a toy gun, I mean a kid got shot for waving the G1 toy around.

You want to know why a Tank would be the best alt form? It's because tanks are just big guns on treads.

It also makes no sense to Megatron's characterization, aside from maybe Soundwave or Shockwave I doubt that Megatron would trust anyone to use him, Starscream could literally crush him in his hand if he wanted to, also what is the difference between the fusion cannon and the barrel of his alt mode? Why bother Transforming in the first place?

The closest thing to a gun mode they could do is Megatron turning into a sentry gun with a design that resembles the original hand gun mode.
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Wheeljack84 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:58 pm

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The problem is that an animated movie would not come cheap.

The other issue is the movie franchise's unwillingness to fully characterize the Cybertronians. They are generally one-dimensional characters in all the films.
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