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Yes, this is a premium product - a luxury product - and that means it's unlikely that successfully backing it will result in mass market price hikes. I'm with you so far...Sabrblade wrote:Except that HasLab products are "last resort" items made to be super premium...Ironhidensh wrote:As I've thought about this today, I gotta say, I hope it fails. Not because I want to see some of your hopes and dreams crapped on, but because I don't trust Hasbro. If this succeeds, I'm afraid they will just see it as an excuse to jack up prices on all transfromers with even a hint of aim at collectors. If they see us as willing to shell out this much money, they will apply that to everything. Or just put all collector type stuff behind an exclusive pay wall.
Hopefully, I'm wrong, but experience in life with big business doesn't leave much room for hope.
This is where I lose you.Sabrblade wrote:...for only the most nostalgic super-nerds with enough disposable income willing to throw away $600 for a giant that turns into a ball.
At least the Titans turned into playsets with built-in interactivity for smaller figures found at normal retail, or into component figures that could likewise interact with some of the larger normal retail figures.
This Unicron, on the other hand, just literally turns into a giant ball-on-a-stick.
It's no wonder it's only being marketed to the market of rich nostalgic super-nerds since that crowd (which includes any of us here who are willing to fork over the money for this thing) is the only crowd weird enough to want to own a giant ball-on-a-stick.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
I don't understand this complaint, at all.User897 wrote:Hasbro is still wrong to make the deadline so soon, and to not offer any kind of payment plan. They would be better served to pre-sell them through BBTS or EE or the like, with a release date months away to allow us to save up for it. They would not "lose their shirt" on it this way.
User897 wrote:Toys are supposed to be for all of us. Not just the financially elite.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:Yes, this is a premium product - a luxury product - and that means it's unlikely that successfully backing it will result in mass market price hikes. I'm with you so far...Sabrblade wrote:Except that HasLab products are "last resort" items made to be super premium...Ironhidensh wrote:As I've thought about this today, I gotta say, I hope it fails. Not because I want to see some of your hopes and dreams crapped on, but because I don't trust Hasbro. If this succeeds, I'm afraid they will just see it as an excuse to jack up prices on all transfromers with even a hint of aim at collectors. If they see us as willing to shell out this much money, they will apply that to everything. Or just put all collector type stuff behind an exclusive pay wall.
Hopefully, I'm wrong, but experience in life with big business doesn't leave much room for hope.This is where I lose you.Sabrblade wrote:...for only the most nostalgic super-nerds with enough disposable income willing to throw away $600 for a giant that turns into a ball.
At least the Titans turned into playsets with built-in interactivity for smaller figures found at normal retail, or into component figures that could likewise interact with some of the larger normal retail figures.
This Unicron, on the other hand, just literally turns into a giant ball-on-a-stick.
It's no wonder it's only being marketed to the market of rich nostalgic super-nerds since that crowd (which includes any of us here who are willing to fork over the money for this thing) is the only crowd weird enough to want to own a giant ball-on-a-stick.
First, of all, I don't disagree with the sentiment that this is a premium product necessarily geared towards those who can afford it. But I DO take issue with the classist way with which you articulate that.
Second, Unicron is a ball. That is literally his thing. I expected you to be the last person to make hay about source accuracy.
Finally, I don't get this kvetching about playset interactivity with retail figures. Is this a retail figure? No. Do we even have a full picture of what this thing can do? Also no. To the extent that non-combiner Titans like Metroplex, Fort Max, and Trypticon have base modes, they're half-assed concoctions that heavily rely on the primary alt mode components, especially the exteriors. But to the extent that Unicron's exterior is a shell that folds in on itself to reveal the robot, how reasonable is it, really, to expect that kind of additional functionality?
As one of those "nostalgic super-nerds with enough disposable income willing to throw away $600 for a giant that turns into a ball," I'd much rather them perfect the 'giant' and 'ball' aspects of Unicron - the only aspects that matter - than half-ass a 3rd thing.
Yes, he acknowledges that it is not a retail figure... which is exactly why complaining about the lack of interactivity with retail figures is odd and potentially unreasonable. Kvetching is the right word, unless Sabr comes in and clarifies that he wasn't, in fact, complaining, which is a possibility.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. What are you getting so worked up over? He's not kvetching about anything. You know how you said "Is this a retail figure? No."? Sabrblade's pointing all that out as reasons why it wouldn't fly as one, and thus has to be a fan-backed thing.
Two things. First, I'm not missing anything - what you said here does not at all disprove or contradict my point. Second, you're missing the forest for the trees in trying to make this about semantics rather than addressing my core argument.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:2. Sounds like you're mainly experienced with TR Fort Max's base/city mode. But, uh, you seem to be mistaken about something: The base/city modes are the primary altmodes for those figures.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
It's a very strong possibility. In fact, it's such a strong possibility that I'm baffled as to how you interpreted his post as complaining at all.megatronus wrote:Yes, he acknowledges that it is not a retail figure... which is exactly why complaining about the lack of interactivity with retail figures is odd and potentially unreasonable. Kvetching is the right word, unless Sabr comes in and clarifies that he wasn't, in fact, complaining, which is a possibility.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. What are you getting so worked up over? He's not kvetching about anything. You know how you said "Is this a retail figure? No."? Sabrblade's pointing all that out as reasons why it wouldn't fly as one, and thus has to be a fan-backed thing.
megatronus wrote:Two things. First, I'm not missing anything - what you said here does not at all disprove or contradict my point. Second, you're missing the forest for the trees in trying to make this about semantics rather than addressing my core argument.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:2. Sounds like you're mainly experienced with TR Fort Max's base/city mode. But, uh, you seem to be mistaken about something: The base/city modes are the primary altmodes for those figures.
My plain reading: Sabr is complaining that Unicron is a ball with no additional features, and that only 'super-rich' people would throw money away to have it. I'm honestly baffled you could read it any other way, and yet I'm open to the possibility that my interpretation is wrong.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:It's a very strong possibility. In fact, it's such a strong possibility that I'm baffled as to how you interpreted his post as complaining at all.megatronus wrote:Yes, he acknowledges that it is not a retail figure... which is exactly why complaining about the lack of interactivity with retail figures is odd and potentially unreasonable. Kvetching is the right word, unless Sabr comes in and clarifies that he wasn't, in fact, complaining, which is a possibility.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. What are you getting so worked up over? He's not kvetching about anything. You know how you said "Is this a retail figure? No."? Sabrblade's pointing all that out as reasons why it wouldn't fly as one, and thus has to be a fan-backed thing.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:megatronus wrote:Two things. First, I'm not missing anything - what you said here does not at all disprove or contradict my point. Second, you're missing the forest for the trees in trying to make this about semantics rather than addressing my core argument.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:2. Sounds like you're mainly experienced with TR Fort Max's base/city mode. But, uh, you seem to be mistaken about something: The base/city modes are the primary altmodes for those figures.
You are missing something. Let me make myself plain (and bold the part of my reply you overlooked): Fort Max's base mode is the only one where you can remotely justify calling it a "half-assed concoction" that relies too much on "primary" altmode parts (and even then I wouldn't go that far, especially not in terms of play and interactivity).
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:My plain reading: Sabr is complaining that Unicron is a ball with no additional features, and that only 'super-rich' people would throw money away to have it. I'm honestly baffled you could read it any other way, and yet I'm open to the possibility that my interpretation is wrong.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:It's a very strong possibility. In fact, it's such a strong possibility that I'm baffled as to how you interpreted his post as complaining at all.megatronus wrote:Yes, he acknowledges that it is not a retail figure... which is exactly why complaining about the lack of interactivity with retail figures is odd and potentially unreasonable. Kvetching is the right word, unless Sabr comes in and clarifies that he wasn't, in fact, complaining, which is a possibility.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. What are you getting so worked up over? He's not kvetching about anything. You know how you said "Is this a retail figure? No."? Sabrblade's pointing all that out as reasons why it wouldn't fly as one, and thus has to be a fan-backed thing.
Funnily enough, you're completely ignoring the possibility that my response was reasoned counterpoint rather than angry rant.
megatronus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:megatronus wrote:Two things. First, I'm not missing anything - what you said here does not at all disprove or contradict my point. Second, you're missing the forest for the trees in trying to make this about semantics rather than addressing my core argument.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:2. Sounds like you're mainly experienced with TR Fort Max's base/city mode. But, uh, you seem to be mistaken about something: The base/city modes are the primary altmodes for those figures.
You are missing something. Let me make myself plain (and bold the part of my reply you overlooked): Fort Max's base mode is the only one where you can remotely justify calling it a "half-assed concoction" that relies too much on "primary" altmode parts (and even then I wouldn't go that far, especially not in terms of play and interactivity).
Why must you make me wade into trees? Again, you're missing the forest.
The trees: instructions for all 3 Titans list the vehicle as the primary mode, with the base mode as secondary. Again, this is a semantic point, but I consider the instructions to be the official word on what is primary vs secondary. But let's be clear: the limitations of the Titans' size and the budget the designers dealt with meant the robot was prioritized, so neither of the other two modes were particularly amazing on these Titans, with the base / vehicle relying heavily, by necessity, on the vehicle / base parts unfolding or reconfiguring.
Not the greatest idea, with as often as instructions screw up.megatronus wrote:I consider the instructions to be the official word on what is primary vs secondary.
megatronus wrote:The forest: the play patterns and interactivity rely on the exteriors and alt-parts unfolding and reconfiguring, but that ability to create a base that interacts fully with smaller bots is harder to implement on a spherical shellformer like Unicron, especially one which tries to make the robot mode look as clean / G1-accurate as possible. For that reason, I find the complaint about lack of interactivity unreasonable.
RodimusConvoy13 wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:As I've thought about this today, I gotta say, I hope it fails. Not because I want to see some of your hopes and dreams crapped on, but because I don't trust Hasbro. If this succeeds, I'm afraid they will just see it as an excuse to jack up prices on all transfromers with even a hint of aim at collectors. If they see us as willing to shell out this much money, they will apply that to everything. Or just put all collector type stuff behind an exclusive pay wall.
Hopefully, I'm wrong, but experience in life with big business doesn't leave much room for hope.
You really think they're going to increase the prices just because 8000 people, 8000 out of how many hundreds of thousands or millions of Transformers customers they have?
Hasbro isn't stupid. Hasbro isn't evil. There's so many on this thread that seem to think Hasbro just sits there and says "Let's see how much money we can get out of these stupid collectors! Let's raise the prices on all our toys so we'll lose even more customers to electronic/mobile gaming. Yeah! That'll show those stupid collectors. We so greedy!!!"
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Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
発表されたばかりのハスブロ社のグローバルクラウドファンディング企画 「HASLABユニクロン」の日本における販売をタカラトミーモールで行うことが決定!
ワンフェス開催日までには、予約をスタートする予定です。
これにあたり、なんと試作モデルをワンフェス会場で飾ることが決定しました。
過去に類をみないサイズの超巨大トランスフォーマーを、ぜひ生でご確認いただき、
クラウドファンディングの支援をお願いいたします!
Hasbro's global crowdfunding plan just announced It will be decided to sell "HASLAB UNICLON" in Japan at Takara Tomy Mall!
We plan to start bookings by the 1st festival day.
On this occasion, it was decided to decorate the prototype at the one-fest venue.
Please check the raw super-sized transformers of unmatched size in the past,
and ask for their help in crowdfunding!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Ironhidensh wrote:As I've thought about this today, I gotta say, I hope it fails. Not because I want to see some of your hopes and dreams crapped on, but because I don't trust Hasbro. If this succeeds, I'm afraid they will just see it as an excuse to jack up prices on all transfromers with even a hint of aim at collectors. If they see us as willing to shell out this much money, they will apply that to everything. Or just put all collector type stuff behind an exclusive pay wall.
Hopefully, I'm wrong, but experience in life with big business doesn't leave much room for hope.
Sabrblade wrote:According to TakaraTomy, it looks like Japan is gonna be getting a piece of the HasLab Unicron crowdfunding pie with orders soon opening up for that country to be placed through TakaraTomy Mall.発表されたばかりのハスブロ社のグローバルクラウドファンディング企画 「HASLABユニクロン」の日本における販売をタカラトミーモールで行うことが決定!
ワンフェス開催日までには、予約をスタートする予定です。
これにあたり、なんと試作モデルをワンフェス会場で飾ることが決定しました。
過去に類をみないサイズの超巨大トランスフォーマーを、ぜひ生でご確認いただき、
クラウドファンディングの支援をお願いいたします!Hasbro's global crowdfunding plan just announced It will be decided to sell "HASLAB UNICLON" in Japan at Takara Tomy Mall!
We plan to start bookings by the 1st festival day.
On this occasion, it was decided to decorate the prototype at the one-fest venue.
Please check the raw super-sized transformers of unmatched size in the past,
and ask for their help in crowdfunding!
Thank Google Translate.Stargrave wrote:Sabrblade wrote:According to TakaraTomy, it looks like Japan is gonna be getting a piece of the HasLab Unicron crowdfunding pie with orders soon opening up for that country to be placed through TakaraTomy Mall.発表されたばかりのハスブロ社のグローバルクラウドファンディング企画 「HASLABユニクロン」の日本における販売をタカラトミーモールで行うことが決定!
ワンフェス開催日までには、予約をスタートする予定です。
これにあたり、なんと試作モデルをワンフェス会場で飾ることが決定しました。
過去に類をみないサイズの超巨大トランスフォーマーを、ぜひ生でご確認いただき、
クラウドファンディングの支援をお願いいたします!Hasbro's global crowdfunding plan just announced It will be decided to sell "HASLAB UNICLON" in Japan at Takara Tomy Mall!
We plan to start bookings by the 1st festival day.
On this occasion, it was decided to decorate the prototype at the one-fest venue.
Please check the raw super-sized transformers of unmatched size in the past,
and ask for their help in crowdfunding!
I was trying to translate that and figure out what exactly it was referring to thanks Sabr!!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:As I've thought about this today, I gotta say, I hope it fails. Not because I want to see some of your hopes and dreams crapped on, but because I don't trust Hasbro. If this succeeds, I'm afraid they will just see it as an excuse to jack up prices on all transfromers with even a hint of aim at collectors. If they see us as willing to shell out this much money, they will apply that to everything. Or just put all collector type stuff behind an exclusive pay wall.
Hopefully, I'm wrong, but experience in life with big business doesn't leave much room for hope.
Personally, I think that particular ship already sailed with MP-44.
Yes, but only obscure stuff rather than mainstream.ZeroWolf wrote:Say Unicron is a success, there can't be many other tf projects for the venture. Primus (Cybertron version) and maybe a boxset of thirteen leader Class versions of the thirteen... Anything else this service could use?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Thank Google Translate.Stargrave wrote:Sabrblade wrote:According to TakaraTomy, it looks like Japan is gonna be getting a piece of the HasLab Unicron crowdfunding pie with orders soon opening up for that country to be placed through TakaraTomy Mall.発表されたばかりのハスブロ社のグローバルクラウドファンディング企画 「HASLABユニクロン」の日本における販売をタカラトミーモールで行うことが決定!
ワンフェス開催日までには、予約をスタートする予定です。
これにあたり、なんと試作モデルをワンフェス会場で飾ることが決定しました。
過去に類をみないサイズの超巨大トランスフォーマーを、ぜひ生でご確認いただき、
クラウドファンディングの支援をお願いいたします!Hasbro's global crowdfunding plan just announced It will be decided to sell "HASLAB UNICLON" in Japan at Takara Tomy Mall!
We plan to start bookings by the 1st festival day.
On this occasion, it was decided to decorate the prototype at the one-fest venue.
Please check the raw super-sized transformers of unmatched size in the past,
and ask for their help in crowdfunding!
I was trying to translate that and figure out what exactly it was referring to thanks Sabr!!
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:As I've thought about this today, I gotta say, I hope it fails. Not because I want to see some of your hopes and dreams crapped on, but because I don't trust Hasbro. If this succeeds, I'm afraid they will just see it as an excuse to jack up prices on all transfromers with even a hint of aim at collectors. If they see us as willing to shell out this much money, they will apply that to everything. Or just put all collector type stuff behind an exclusive pay wall.
Hopefully, I'm wrong, but experience in life with big business doesn't leave much room for hope.
Personally, I think that particular ship already sailed with MP-44.
I think it's a ship with more holes in it than RiD Ultra Magnus' trailer. The part about Hasbro using it as an excuse to jack up prices on all Transformers sure is. That idea is, frankly, laughable. Hasbro is not so stupid business-wise that they'd use the success of something perforce done as a crowdfunded lab project as a reason to jack up the prices of their bread-and-butter mainstream TFs beyond what the retail market will bear.
Sabrblade wrote:Yes, but only obscure stuff rather than mainstream.ZeroWolf wrote:Say Unicron is a success, there can't be many other tf projects for the venture. Primus (Cybertron version) and maybe a boxset of thirteen leader Class versions of the thirteen... Anything else this service could use?
An Ark battle base play set? Please?ZeroWolf wrote:Say Unicron is a success, there can't be many other tf projects for the venture. Primus (Cybertron version) and maybe a boxset of thirteen leader Class versions of the thirteen... Anything else this service could use?
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Thinking smaller: A new or retooled Leobreaker with legs that collapse for Savage Claw Mode like they were originally supposed to.
I'm not paying 5 million bucks for an accessory pack.Cobotron wrote:Edit: Also, I've been thinking, why couldn't they use this crowd founding to do small stuff? Fans have been pining for 5 mil based accessory packs for years.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:"Uniclon"
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*Insert Unicron's angry "BWAAAARGH"*AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:As I've thought about this today, I gotta say, I hope it fails. Not because I want to see some of your hopes and dreams crapped on, but because I don't trust Hasbro. If this succeeds, I'm afraid they will just see it as an excuse to jack up prices on all transfromers with even a hint of aim at collectors. If they see us as willing to shell out this much money, they will apply that to everything. Or just put all collector type stuff behind an exclusive pay wall.
Hopefully, I'm wrong, but experience in life with big business doesn't leave much room for hope.
Personally, I think that particular ship already sailed with MP-44.
I think it's a ship with more holes in it than RiD Ultra Magnus' trailer. The part about Hasbro using it as an excuse to jack up prices on all Transformers sure is. That idea is, frankly, laughable. Hasbro is not so stupid business-wise that they'd use the success of something perforce done as a crowdfunded lab project as a reason to jack up the prices of their bread-and-butter mainstream TFs beyond what the retail market will bear.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Thinking smaller: A new or retooled Leobreaker with legs that collapse for Savage Claw Mode like they were originally supposed to.
I see your point. Perhaps HasLab will be the platform by which Takara actually releases the Masterpiece Gestalts?
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