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Randomhero wrote:Because I read comics. All kinds of comics. Not just “James Roberts who can do no wrong’s next masterpiece of comics”
Take off the rose tinted glasses he’s not that great of a story teller.
Va'al wrote:Randomhero wrote:Because I read comics. All kinds of comics. Not just “James Roberts who can do no wrong’s next masterpiece of comics”
Same here.
And I enjoyed this issue.Take off the rose tinted glasses he’s not that great of a story teller.
You don't need them to recognise that Roberts is a good writer. Great writer? Not necessarily. Good? Definitely so.
Maybe let's all stop flinging negativity around where no negativity is needed? Again, I GET people who DISLIKE the series or the issues. I do not get, at all, why it's we've reached this level of just spitting on it. I don't get it with Paramount movies, I don't get it with these comics. I really don't.
Wholly a matter of opinion.Va'al wrote:Roberts is a good writer. Great writer? Not necessarily. Good? Definitely so.
Each reader has his/her own opinion. If that reader dislikes it enough to give that reaction, that reader can do so. Personally, I think it's because this has gone on for so long. MTMTE started fairly well, had a few low points, but overall stayed interesting. Roberts gave us a good start. Then, the last 3rd of that book went downhill, for whatever reason he lost control of the story. Or maybe he never had control, and whoever did, stopped supervising him. And thus Dying of the Light was a very anticlimactic end to a decent story. And Lost Light was supposed to be a reboot of sorts, but it never got better. Eventually, most readers get tired of being disappointed over and over again.Again, I GET people who DISLIKE the series or the issues. I do not get, at all, why it's we've reached this level of just spitting on it.
It's the same thing with the movies, except those stories went down the drain a lot quicker. The first film was decent, and the rest seemed to nosedive in quality. But that's a tired discussion going on 9 years now, and it belongs in the movie forum.I don't get it with Paramount movies, I don't get it with these comics. I really don't.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Wholly a matter of opinion.Va'al wrote:Roberts is a good writer. Great writer? Not necessarily. Good? Definitely so.
Each reader has his/her own opinion. If that reader dislikes it enough to give that reaction, that reader can do so. Personally, I think it's because this has gone on for so long. MTMTE started fairly well, had a few low points, but overall stayed interesting. Roberts gave us a good start. Then, the last 3rd of that book went downhill, for whatever reason he lost control of the story. Or maybe he never had control, and whoever did, stopped supervising him. And thus Dying of the Light was a very anticlimactic end to a decent story. And Lost Light was supposed to be a reboot of sorts, but it never got better. Eventually, most readers get tired of being disappointed over and over again.Again, I GET people who DISLIKE the series or the issues. I do not get, at all, why it's we've reached this level of just spitting on it.
It's the same thing with the movies, except those stories went down the drain a lot quicker. The first film was decent, and the rest seemed to nosedive in quality. But that's a tired discussion going on 9 years now, and it belongs in the movie forum.I don't get it with Paramount movies, I don't get it with these comics. I really don't.
ricemazter wrote:Va'al wrote:Randomhero wrote:Because I read comics. All kinds of comics. Not just “James Roberts who can do no wrong’s next masterpiece of comics”
Same here.
And I enjoyed this issue.Take off the rose tinted glasses he’s not that great of a story teller.
You don't need them to recognise that Roberts is a good writer. Great writer? Not necessarily. Good? Definitely so.
Maybe let's all stop flinging negativity around where no negativity is needed? Again, I GET people who DISLIKE the series or the issues. I do not get, at all, why it's we've reached this level of just spitting on it. I don't get it with Paramount movies, I don't get it with these comics. I really don't.
There's negativity and nitpicking, like people getting mad at a preview while it sets up an obvious joke about a 2nd head in a rear end, and then there's actual criticism.
I'm actually back in on this series after a choppy but good issue 13, but I think it's worth noting that this book has some pretty big flaws.
I'm going to reserve final judgement until I read the issue Wednesday night, but it is a little anticlimactic to have 3 of the scariest Decepticons in the IDW universe in a confrontation only to have them chat for a bit and leave.
Shockwave and Yarn, one at each other's throats after the latter escapes prison? How will Shockwave, master strategist survive the encouter? You could have an entire story arc about this, but Shockwave just shoots a phone and leaves.
How did Scorponok, who we haven't seen in a decade, make his escape from Garrus 9? Eh, Shockwave just sort of picked him up as a destraction and he toddled out an airlock.
If all that's going to happen is dangling these interesting chess pieces in front of us, why not have an exciting prison break or something along with Flame, who might have an interesting part to play in any escape since he's an Autobot whose crimes have been covered up by high command..
Like the ending to the mutineers trilogy, it just feels rushed to get wherever this plot is ultimately going at the cost of interesting ideas.
ZeroWolf wrote:I can see Rodimus Primes view that people should be able to voice criticisms about a series they once liked, but I can certainly see Va'al's take on this. You can critise the work just not the author or the people who like it. Also spare a thought about how you critise it, think "if someone said this about a work in like, how would I react?"
End of the day all we are dealing with here is opinions
Sunstar wrote:I value va'als reviews because he echo's a lot of my own sentiment when he does them. I try not to view them until I have had a read over first. (although sometimes I read them and get eager to go out and get that book)
We are not only toxic, but passionate.
budmaloney wrote:As for the negativity, it has always been the case. The Transformers fandom specifically has been known for being toxic.
Maybe let's all stop flinging negativity around where no negativity is needed? Again, I GET people who DISLIKE the series or the issues. I do not get, at all, why it's we've reached this level of just spitting on it. I don't get it with Paramount movies, I don't get it with these comics. I really don't.
misfire19d wrote:Maybe let's all stop flinging negativity around where no negativity is needed? Again, I GET people who DISLIKE the series or the issues. I do not get, at all, why it's we've reached this level of just spitting on it. I don't get it with Paramount movies, I don't get it with these comics. I really don't.
Sounds like you're just refusing to accept the criticisms as legitimate.
Sounds like you're just refusing to accept the criticisms as legitimate.
Sounds like you don't read my reviews, in which I've criticised almost every single issue so far.
misfire19d wrote:Sounds like you're just refusing to accept the criticisms as legitimate.Sounds like you don't read my reviews, in which I've criticised almost every single issue so far.
See what I mean? You just did what I said you do.
misfire19d wrote:you just did what I said you do. You refused to accept my critique as legitimate.
I win.
Va'al wrote:misfire19d wrote:you just did what I said you do. You refused to accept my critique as legitimate.
I win.
Sure thing, darling. Well done on winning! Have a Rodimus Badge for Achieving Something Today.
People can like whatever they want. I never once said or even implied there something wrong with them for liking something that I don't.Va'al wrote:You are more than welcome, and entitled to, disagree, even strongly. But can we stop implying that there's something wrong with readers who do like what they're reading, even if it's the third coming of Twilight?
Rodimus Prime wrote:People can like whatever they want. I never once said or even implied there something wrong with them for liking something that I don't.Va'al wrote:You are more than welcome, and entitled to, disagree, even strongly. But can we stop implying that there's something wrong with readers who do like what they're reading, even if it's the third coming of Twilight?
You mean personally, or as an author? An artist of any type should be criticized based on his/her work. If someone constantly (or at least regularly) produces substandard work, that artist deserves criticism. Having said that, I do understand that 'substandard' is a matter of point of view. Something I may think of as substandard (most of Roberts' work of the last few years), someone else might hold in high regard. That's fine. But just because I don't like something and I say so, and others disagree, doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to say it just because it's "negativity."ZeroWolf wrote:I can see Rodimus Primes view that people should be able to voice criticisms about a series they once liked, but I can certainly see Va'al's take on this. You can critise the work just not the author
First I would ask why that someone has that opinion. If I am given valid reason, then I would see how I can improve on the work.Also give a thought about how you critise it, think "if someone said this about a work in like, how would I react?"
Exactly. And if someone else has an opinion opposite of mine, I wouldn't tell him/her that s/he can't say it, just because it's "negative." The way I look at it is my criticism of Roberts's work is positive, because it may contribute to his effort to improve. If he disregards it, that's fine as well. (I'm speaking in general, I'm pretty sure he doesn't read this thread. Or if he does, he doesn't consider the comments directed at him. If he did, the quality of the story in LL would have improved by now.)End of the day all we are dealing with here is opinions
I didn't think so, but considering the comment was made in response to a comment of mine that you quoted, I just wanted to clarify.Va'al wrote:Wasn't talking about you, dear.
Rodimus Prime wrote:You mean personally, or as an author? An artist of any type should be criticized based on his/her work. If someone constantly (or at least regularly) produces substandard work, that artist deserves criticism. Having said that, I do understand that 'substandard' is a matter of point of view. Something I may think of as substandard (most of Roberts' work of the last few years), someone else might hold in high regard. That's fine. But just because I don't like something and I say so, and others disagree, doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to say it just because it's "negativity."ZeroWolf wrote:I can see Rodimus Primes view that people should be able to voice criticisms about a series they once liked, but I can certainly see Va'al's take on this. You can critise the work just not the author
Rodimus Prime wrote: First I would ask why that someone has that opinion. If I am given valid reason, then I would see how I can improve on the work.
Rodimus Prime wrote:You mean personally, or as an author? An artist of any type should be criticized based on his/her work. If someone constantly (or at least regularly) produces substandard work, that artist deserves criticism. Having said that, I do understand that 'substandard' is a matter of point of view. Something I may think of as substandard (most of Roberts' work of the last few years), someone else might hold in high regard. That's fine. But just because I don't like something and I say so, and others disagree, doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to say it just because it's "negativity."ZeroWolf wrote:I can see Rodimus Primes view that people should be able to voice criticisms about a series they once liked, but I can certainly see Va'al's take on this. You can critise the work just not the authorFirst I would ask why that someone has that opinion. If I am given valid reason, then I would see how I can improve on the work.Also give a thought about how you critise it, think "if someone said this about a work in like, how would I react?"Exactly. And if someone else has an opinion opposite of mine, I wouldn't tell him/her that s/he can't say it, just because it's "negative." The way I look at it is my criticism of Roberts's work is positive, because it may contribute to his effort to improve. If he disregards it, that's fine as well. (I'm speaking in general, I'm pretty sure he doesn't read this thread. Or if he does, he doesn't consider the comments directed at him. If he did, the quality of the story in LL would have improved by now.)End of the day all we are dealing with here is opinions
Va'al wrote:misfire19d wrote:you just did what I said you do. You refused to accept my critique as legitimate.
I win.
Sure thing, darling. Well done on winning! Have a Rodimus Badge for Achieving Something Today.
Burn wrote:Can we get back onto the topic of Lost Light.
**** asking nicely.
There's plenty of space in the rest of the forums where you can start your own thread about the etiquettes of posting positively or negatively.
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