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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:18 pm

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While I still like Milne far better, I have grown to like Lawrences art. Just took about a year. But I say that to say this: I love Drift's face on page 4, with the frown then the fried shock look.

I too appreciate the lightning rod joke :lol:
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Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #17

Postby ScottyP » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:27 am

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A Review of Transformers: Lost Light #17

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Hey, that's not the name of the series!

A week early, the second part of Lost Light's "The Everlasting Voices" trilogy of issues arrives, picking up directly from the end of issue 16 and its long awaited final page revelation. Rodimus and his crew have apparently reached some kind of afterlife or purgatory, but some of them aren't ready to accept this as their fate leading to the primary conflict of the story. This latest chapter sheds more light on whether or not that's even a worry for the team while simultaneously advancing characterizations, the overall IDW Transformers mythology, the series' main plot, and more "B" and "C" side-plots than you'll be able to believe in just 20 pages.

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Everything is fine.

As the end of everything approaches, at least for this Transformers continuity, Lost Light now feels like it's in full stride with moving the series along into its last 160-ish pages of the quest. I mention this on the off chance you're reading this review and are curious if this is a good time to jump in and start reading these comics, now that the end is near. I'm happy to tell you that it is! Just don't start with this one. Go back to at least Lost Light #1 and this will be waiting for you at the end of one excellent binge.

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Mortilus of House Bolton

It would be difficult to point out the sundry of ways, both small and large, that Lost Light #17 achieves precisely what a middle chapter ought to without burying the review in spoilers. A few key moments are worth a somewhat purposely vague mention here regardless, in particular the part-flashback, part-montage sequence expanding on a concept first discussed in significant detail all the way back in the 2012 More Than Meets The Eye Annual. It reminds me of Marvel UK's 150th issue where Simon Furman presents what could be taken as a long-winded exposition dump and crafts it in such a freaking cool way that you won't care even if you generally don't like those types of sequences.


Another smaller, yet still ultimately and pointedly significant element which strikes a similar chord involves Nautica and the consequences of more recent events in Lost Light issues #8 and #9 . Near the point where this latest installment draws to a close, and just when everything starts to make sense, it unwinds in an almost brutally unapologetic way. Immediately thereafter, yet another moment somehow, in some way, twists the landscape even further right before leaving you alone to think about what you witnessed for another month while you await issue 18 with yearning anticipation. If this anticipation doesn't hit you then, it's likely to be caused by at least one of several other moments in the issue that will set off a light bulb in your head right before smashing it to pieces - in a good way.

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Just in time to be wrong again, Rungspiracy returns

The events contained within Lost Light #17 require a deft hand to have the appropriate impact, and the lines of Jack Lawrence supplemented by the lighting and palette of Joana Lafuente deliver. On the line work, while I've said much about the emotive gestures and facial expressions Lawrence is capable of in the past, this issue also demonstrates a wisdom of knowing when to go the other direction and include an element of stoicism in the visual character work. Lafuente has a more subtle challenge with the setting varying from a darkened room to a darkened starscape over a dark metal planetary surface to dark-ish interior corridors, with only the slightest break in between. Characters are kept vivid while not looking like cut-outs despite the sometimes high contrast between their own colors and the background, adding to the surrealism of the scenario unfolding through the plot itself. Tom B. Long once again contributes in new, surprising ways, using varied fonts that add to both the visible storytelling and the perception of events from the reader's perspective.

The cover budgets look to have been scaled back, with two covers readily available and a third retailer incentive cover that is, as it was on issue 16, line art of the "A" cover for the issue. The colored version sold as the "A" cover, by Lawrence and Lafuente, is shown in this news story's thumbnail, and as always you can look up all the covers, credits, and potentially-spoiler-laden character appearances in our Vector Sigma Database entry for Lost Light #17.

Verdict
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This was an easy review to write. Quite a bit happens and it all either makes sense while providing answers or creates genuinely exciting new questions. Nothing is lingered on for too long but the important moments are still made to feel as such while leaving room for other developments to stoke the flame of desire for the arrival of the next chapter. I can't think of anything else to ask for out of a book published in a serial format. For those that have been following this series and predecessor More Than Meets The Eye, this is going to be a very good Wednesday.

Questions are possibly answered. Rodimus makes possibly bad, yet well intended decisions. The murky history of the Transformers' origin in IDW is possibly made clear. Relationships are possibly deepened for some, and for others, a desired sense of closure is possibly attained. Ratchet is possibly right about everything. In short, this 17th installment of Lost Light is possibly a quintessential example of what James Roberts and the plethora of creative talents associated with the series do best. You'll laugh, you'll think, and you might even cry. To borrow (and transform) a phrase from the late, great Jim Valvano, that's a full book.

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Bonus! James Roberts' soundtrack suggestions for this issue:
  • Susanna Hoffs & Bleachers - "I'm Ready to Move On/Wild Heart Reprise"
  • Yo La Tengo - "All Your Secrets"
  • The Mountain Goats - "Your Belgian Things"
  • The Flaming Lips - "Waitin' for a Superman (Peter Mokran Remix)"
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:01 am

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A good review, and it's nice to see that answers are finally being given and that we're getting (another) origin story
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:08 am

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My favourite Ratchet panel from the issue, which I felt was also commenting on Optimus Prime 17-18.

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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Targetmaster Kup » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:58 am

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My shop didn't get this one OP#18 but got a note that if they get them, not to sell them until next week!
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:48 am

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Targetmaster Kup wrote:My shop didn't get this one OP#18 but got a note that if they get them, not to sell them until next week!
Yeah it's weird all around. We anticipated only seeing OP 17's release this week. Somewhere along the line, LL 17 and OP 18 also got printed and shipped to go out this week. They are out digitally everywhere, some shops didn't get them, some did and are holding them, others did and have sold/are selling copies. Kinda irritating as a print reader to have to make another run to the store, but no huge deal. Might just pick up my paper copies on FCBD at this point, I hate to make the shop hold stuff though :/
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IDW Lost Light Writer James Roberts to Take Break from Transformers

Postby Va'al » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:14 am

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We know that the current IDW Publishing Transformers universe (including the various Hasbro branches now part of the same narrative world) will be coming to an end as of Unicron: Darkest Hour #6 - which will coincide with the conclusion of both current ongoing series Optimus Prime and Lost Light, too. The writer of the latter, James Roberts, part of the current identity of the IDW Transformersverse (Phase 2, in any case) with John Barber and Mairghread Scott, has casually thrown out on his Twitter account that his stay with Transformers will also be taking a break, as there are no plans as of yet to be involved with the reboot.

Several fans have been following Roberts' work thus far, and appreciated what More Than Meets the Eye and Lost Light have done for the Transformers franchise, and after also losing (as far as we know) Mairghread Scott, this is a fairly big factor going forward after September. Join the discussion in the Energon Pub, and let us know your thoughts on the news!

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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:17 am

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Yeah, I think transformers an myself will be taking break as well. Well, from the comics. I'm just thoroughly uninterested in starting over.

I'm 38. I'm too old for comics anyway.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby YoungPrime » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:38 am

I'm just too old for the inconsistency and disappointment. I honestly think that TF could use a reboot (one with an actual war going on between Bots and Con's) but with Robert's making it clear that he won't be a part of this reboot (the only reason I'm really sticking around now) I'm not sure that I'll be a part of it either.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby WreckerJack » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:06 am

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Jro was great with MTMTE but he didn't do such a good job with LL. I stopped after too much politics was put into them. Comics are supposed to be an escape from the every day grind, if I wanted a reminder of what goes on in the news I'd watch the news. Part of me is bummed because when he wrote with people that helped him have direction like in MTMTE the comics were great! It just seems he goes too far into his own stuff without someone to tell him to ease up.

I will miss the way he did write the characters though. He made them very complex and interesting. Beyond just good guys and bad guys and that was super refreshing. I think fans will remember him most for that.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Windsweeper » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:13 pm

Well this is disappointing. Roberts has been great these past 6 years.

Hopefully Maighread Scott, Simon Furman and Nick Roche will return.

I wish Barber was the one taking the break.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:18 pm

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It's 2 years overdue. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:43 pm

Windsweeper wrote:Well this is disappointing. Roberts has been great these past 6 years.

Hopefully Maighread Scott, Simon Furman and Nick Roche will return.

I wish Barber was the one taking the break.


Dude, we got close to 30 years of Furman. We don’t need more comics of Grimlock,Thunderwing, Bludgeon, and Scorponok.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:08 pm

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In a sense I'm a bit upset he's not helping to shape the reboot but at the same time I think it's good he's recognising that it's time to take a break, try other things and recharge his batteries.

While some are ecstatic that he's leaving (looking at you RP :lol:) remember he's the devil you know, he can easily be replaced with worst. Or of course he will need replaced with someone good.

Personally I think the next best writers will come from the unknowns, certainly can't see any writers leaving the big two or image to come write transformers. I mean there's a bit of stigma, with some seeing nothing more than toys hitting each other (before going back to read about a guy dressed in a bat costume beating up madmen)

@whoever mentioned the war- I think it's more than likely were going back to that period, just because that's the toyline that hasbro will be selling. I just hope theyll do something new this time round to spice up the war otherwise it'll just repeat what's already been done. That's why sometimes it's good to end the war and explore what comes after, maybe a new group of disgruntled bots and cons team up to start the generation 2 wars ;-)
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:41 pm

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Randomhero wrote:
Windsweeper wrote:Well this is disappointing. Roberts has been great these past 6 years.

Hopefully Maighread Scott, Simon Furman and Nick Roche will return.

I wish Barber was the one taking the break.


Dude, we got close to 30 years of Furman. We don’t need more comics of Grimlock,Thunderwing, Bludgeon, and Scorponok.



Don't forget Galvatron too ;)

Personally I'd say we don't need more comics focused on Optimus Prime and Megatron, yet some people would throw a fit if that happened. :roll:

Simon Furman is to Transformers what Chris Claremont was to X-Men IE The Main name behind the world building of the series. While it would be cute to try and pitch in one of the IDW writer's names under that title, they just don't have the decades of TF experience.

That said, if they are going to a full reboot, then yes, every main writer from the previous continuity has to go. It goes hand in hand with sweeping away the canon of the books: including those who wrote them.

Full reboot means just that. Yet the bizarre idea some people have that reboot=sunbow aren't really being realistic either. Which previous TF continuity reboot exactly replicated G1, right back to 1984? Beast Wars? Car Robots? Unicron Trilogy? Dreamwave? Animated? Prime? Rescue Bots? IDWverse?

Something to think about.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:59 pm

heres an idea, lets welcome new writers instead of just wanting old ones that will probably just use their favorites agaan and again. thats how we got people like Scott, Roche Roberts and Barber. IDW found fans that had writing backgrounds and gave them the opportunity of a lifetime.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:02 pm

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Exactly. Out with the old, in with the new.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:29 pm

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Randomhero wrote:heres an idea, lets welcome new writers instead of just wanting old ones that will probably just use their favorites agaan and again. thats how we got people like Scott, Roche Roberts and Barber. IDW found fans that had writing backgrounds and gave them the opportunity of a lifetime.

I would give it a go if offered but I fear other fans wouldn't like my ideas of having all four main factions fighting it out for supremacy...I would change a lot though and that's something the fandom gets split apart on
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:38 pm

the thing is i dont have a problem with writers staying on, leaving or taking a break. but to say that is sucks Roberts is leaving or wanting Scott back its kinda pointless when theyre not continuing or returning to the universe they have been on. its a new universe. if roberts stayed youre not gonna keepo getting Mneumosurgeon Chromdome and his spouse Rewind. youre not gonna get Cyclonus and Tailgate. no witty british Brainstorm, no atheist Ratchet bickering with zealous Drift, no DJD. i can keep going on with examples but i think you get the point.

the last thing i want is the same writers writing the same way and not doing anything new in ways. like Regeneration One. a book i loved at the start and hated by the end because it wasnt Furman ending the Marvel universe it was Furman finishing all his unused IDW stuff when they took him off the IDW-verse. Soundwave VS Blaster, thats IDW not Marvel, Omega Supreme VS monstructor, IDW, not Marvel. Scorponok using alien tech to become super smart and try and take over the cybertronain race in his image. straight what he was planning in the -ation series and Maxmum Dinobots. Evil anyti-matrix trying to consume everything. HEY GUESS WHAT? THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLOT OF NOVA PRIME AND THE DEAD UNIVERSE. he took all his plans from what he was working on and cramed them into regeneration one instead of giving that series a real pay off.

that is what we get when we allow Furman to continue writing transformers or anyone else. they take what they did somewhere else and shoehorn it in against whats established already. sorry i went on a tangent but its what it is and what happened when they brought back the marvel TF universe.

its going to be a new universe for a reason. yes their will be homages, references and subtle easter eggs because its transformers but its going to be all new because thats what Hasbro and IDW want, if they wanted the same stuff by the same people than the universe woudln't be closing. Im not gonna say ending because that just sounds bad. you say “ending” and people are constantly saying Unicron is killing everyone where as i think the universe will have a happy ending because thats what it deserves.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:52 pm

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Wait, so all that stuff in reg1, that was all his unused idw ideas? I never knew that...I'd also argue that he rehashed his own g2 plot at the end of it bringing Jihaxus in.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:13 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:Wait, so all that stuff in reg1, that was all his unused idw ideas? I never knew that...I'd also argue that he rehashed his own g2 plot at the end of it bringing Jihaxus in.


Oh dude just look at RegenOne. It’s just filled with all his unfinished stories from when he was pulled off writing the main universe. So many plots were just jammed into RegenOne that weren’t set up from the old marvel series. The first volume with Megatron was gold but once we got Scorponok it’s all his old ideas like the stuff I mentioned with Bludgeon, Galvatron and Grimlock as icing.

He was doing it with IDW at the start too with his old unused Dreamwave stories too.

Nothing was more of a let down than when when RegenOne was announced and Furman said he finally gets to pull out his old scripts he never got to do when marvel canceled it and said these are the stories he always planned and in the final issue of RegenOne it opened with him admitting “These are not the stories I originally had’”

Yeah dude, we could tell.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:17 pm

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Even I noticed that and I've only really read G1 through the TF part-work. The characterisations from G1 to ReG1 couldn't be any further apart. With exception to Prime and Megatron/Ratchet, who were more or less unchanged.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:11 pm

the biggest and most important thing i take from james leaving is that Lost Light will officially conclude. Meaning it will have an ending.

When James first announced Lost Light will go to issue 25 he also said maybe another iteration will continue after. With this news we know that this story has a conclusion. hopefully its a satisfying one. theres not too many real open plot threads left dangling that we know. From the synopsis for future issues and the latest issue we know the crew has finally met the scavengers and we know theyre either at or getting to cyberutopia and will run into the crew and getaway. we also know that they are going to come face to face with a sparkeater army which from Drifts vision means Pharma is coming back. I'm still calling it that the sparkeater army is the Lost Light crew that mutinied. Getaway sold them out and gave them to whoever for his own place in what he believes will be Primehood.

Things we dont know yet is First Aid, Riptide and Thunderclash. When will they be converging probably soon. Same with Fort Max and his team.

the big one though that hasnt come back is Tyrest. He still has a role to play and has connections with the Grand Architect and Cog faction.

Sadly i hope but i dont know is that will the crew finally make it home? will they meet back with optimus and Cybertron (or whats left)by the last issue? I hope. personally i really wanna see the this continuity end with Grimlock finally reuniting with the other Dinobots.

Dont know about Megatron though. doesnt seem like theres room or time for him which is a huge let down but he did get his second chance thats kinda his conclusion i guess.

...ya know for someone who’s awaiting trial for the murder of billions and billions of life across the galaxy. And I love Autobot Megatron but letting him off that way wasn’t a satisfying ending to that first story of LL
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby SureShot18 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:41 pm

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I’m disappointed to see Roberts go but it makes sense. I hope he can tie up his story satisfyingly come September, it would definitely soften the loss. At this point I’m probably not going to check out the reboot, when it comes, unless I hear really good things. I still remain optimistic that it can be good but I’m just not interested.
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