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Kurona wrote:Randomhero wrote:She's been with them for a year and seen them do horrific things.
Yeah, but that isn't the reason she left. Hell, for all we know she's still as much a monster as Helex and Vos - the reason she left was because she was disgusted with Tarn's obsession. She's still a Decepticon through and through - but she doesn't see Tarn as deserving of that anymore.
Randomhero wrote:Kurona wrote:Randomhero wrote:She's been with them for a year and seen them do horrific things.
Yeah, but that isn't the reason she left. Hell, for all we know she's still as much a monster as Helex and Vos - the reason she left was because she was disgusted with Tarn's obsession. She's still a Decepticon through and through - but she doesn't see Tarn as deserving of that anymore.
What I mean is that the only version of the Decepticons is the version Tarn has given her. She lives on a ship and base that's got a bunch of statues of Megatron. That's why I find it surprising to see her go. I mean you don't see Helex, Vos, or Tesaurus leaving. Little surprised about Tesaurus especially since he's one of the few DJDs that have actually given something resembling a character back in their issue last year, instead they're just punching a bubble.
MrBlack wrote:Randomhero wrote:Kurona wrote:Randomhero wrote:She's been with them for a year and seen them do horrific things.
Yeah, but that isn't the reason she left. Hell, for all we know she's still as much a monster as Helex and Vos - the reason she left was because she was disgusted with Tarn's obsession. She's still a Decepticon through and through - but she doesn't see Tarn as deserving of that anymore.
What I mean is that the only version of the Decepticons is the version Tarn has given her. She lives on a ship and base that's got a bunch of statues of Megatron. That's why I find it surprising to see her go. I mean you don't see Helex, Vos, or Tesaurus leaving. Little surprised about Tesaurus especially since he's one of the few DJDs that have actually given something resembling a character back in their issue last year, instead they're just punching a bubble.
I get the feeling Nickel hasn't been around the DJD long enough to really get to understand Tarn. The others have: They knew what happened to the former Vos, and they knew that for all his talk of loyalty, Tarn was fully capable of extreme violence against his "friends" if provoked. Nickel's reaction to Helex's death is proof enough that she hadn't experienced Tarn's wrath the way the others have.
Is Nickel a monster? Perhaps. She certainly hasn't thought much of the DJD's antics, although there's no indication she's ever taken part in them. Of course, we also know that that she is the only survivor from her colony and that the DJD rescued her, so she might have some serious Stockholm Syndrome going on.
Rodimus Prime wrote:So if the DJD (or at least Tarn) or Megatron doesn't get killed, what was the point of this whole arc? Just to show Megatron's attack of conscience? Will Tarn's true self even get revealed?
Kurona wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:So if the DJD (or at least Tarn) or Megatron doesn't get killed, what was the point of this whole arc? Just to show Megatron's attack of conscience? Will Tarn's true self even get revealed?
Well, if you're looking for consequences...
-Getaway and the rest of the Lost Light have betrayed our main cast and left them stranded
-The Pet provided resolution to Chromedome and Rewind's arc
-The Necrobot is dead
-There's that whole thing with the hollow planet
-Megatron has come to terms with using violence when necessary
-Ratchet and Drift returned
-Overlord is established to still be alive, and the Galactic Council is established to be allied with him
-Skids is dead
-Nickle is betraying Tarn and allying with Deathsaurus
-Skids is dead
-Kaon is dead
-SKIDS IS DEAD
Dr Va'al wrote:Rung is Unicron.
Unicron is Rung.
(Trust me. I'm a Doctor.)
None of these are the main points of the story, though. Maybe the exception is Megatron resolving to violence, thus going against his initial statement of never using violence again, no matter what. But otherwise, this whole thing is about the conflict between Megatron and Tarn, and perhaps some issues between them from long ago would come to a head as well. And, of course, Tarn's true identity. Isn't that what everyone is waiting for? Also, if what we saw in the preview wraps up Overlord's involvement, then he's been the biggest waste of a character in the story so far. He's supposed to be a near-indestructible, merciless killer. And all he does is basically shrug his shoulders and leave? Roberts seriously dropped the ball on that one. Again.Kurona wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:So if the DJD (or at least Tarn) or Megatron doesn't get killed, what was the point of this whole arc? Just to show Megatron's attack of conscience? Will Tarn's true self even get revealed?
Well, if you're looking for consequences...
-Getaway and the rest of the Lost Light have betrayed our main cast and left them stranded
-The Pet provided resolution to Chromedome and Rewind's arc
-The Necrobot is dead
-There's that whole thing with the hollow planet
-Megatron has come to terms with using violence when necessary
-Ratchet and Drift returned
-Overlord is established to still be alive, and the Galactic Council is established to be allied with him
-Skids is dead
-Nickle is betraying Tarn and allying with Deathsaurus
-Skids is dead
-Kaon is dead
-SKIDS IS DEAD
Kurona wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:Rung is Unicron.
Unicron is Rung.
(Trust me. I'm a Doctor.)
Finally, I can buy a figure to represent Rung on my Lost Light display.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Overlord's involvement, then he's been the biggest waste of a character in the story so far. He's supposed to be a near-indestructible, merciless killer. And all he does is basically shrug his shoulders and leave? Roberts seriously dropped the ball on that one. Again.
Rodimus Prime wrote:None of these are the main points of the story, though. Maybe the exception is Megatron resolving to violence, thus going against his initial statement of never using violence again, no matter what. But otherwise, this whole this is about the conflict between Megatron and Tarn, and perhaps some issues between them from long ago would come to a head as well. And, of course, Tarn's true identity. Isn't that what everyone is waiting for? Also, if what we saw in the preview wraps up Overlord's involvement, then he's been the biggest waste of a character in the story so far. He's supposed to be a near-indestructible, merciless killer. And all he does is basically shrug his shoulders and leave? Roberts seriously dropped the ball on that one. Again.Kurona wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:So if the DJD (or at least Tarn) or Megatron doesn't get killed, what was the point of this whole arc? Just to show Megatron's attack of conscience? Will Tarn's true self even get revealed?
Well, if you're looking for consequences...
-Getaway and the rest of the Lost Light have betrayed our main cast and left them stranded
-The Pet provided resolution to Chromedome and Rewind's arc
-The Necrobot is dead
-There's that whole thing with the hollow planet
-Megatron has come to terms with using violence when necessary
-Ratchet and Drift returned
-Overlord is established to still be alive, and the Galactic Council is established to be allied with him
-Skids is dead
-Nickle is betraying Tarn and allying with Deathsaurus
-Skids is dead
-Kaon is dead
-SKIDS IS DEAD
Dr Va'al wrote:Kurona wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:Rung is Unicron.
Unicron is Rung.
(Trust me. I'm a Doctor.)
Finally, I can buy a figure to represent Rung on my Lost Light display.
That figure is pretty amazing, craggy bought it at Auto Assembly last year and we both marvelled at it in the hotel room. I feel there should be a pun for it. But I just don't have en-hoof energy this eve.Rodimus Prime wrote:Overlord's involvement, then he's been the biggest waste of a character in the story so far. He's supposed to be a near-indestructible, merciless killer. And all he does is basically shrug his shoulders and leave? Roberts seriously dropped the ball on that one. Again.
I don't entirely agree here. Overlord being a selfish, self-absorbed shrugger is perfectly in line with his character.He might just walk off panel and kick a moribund Ten on the ground, just because he can. Then steal Megatron's hoverboard and play himself out (Empyrean suite, of course, he's that kind of jerk).
Kurona wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Overlord's involvement, then he's been the biggest waste of a character in the story so far. He's supposed to be a near-indestructible, merciless killer. And all he does is basically shrug his shoulders and leave? Roberts seriously dropped the ball on that one. Again.I don't entirely agree here. Overlord being a selfish, self-absorbed shrugger is perfectly in line with his character.He might just walk off panel and kick a moribund Ten on the ground, just because he can. Then steal Megatron's hoverboard and play himself out (Empyrean suite, of course, he's that kind of jerk).
Oh I'd agree it certainly fits Overlord's character, but narratively it feels a bit disappointing and anticlimatic. You drop a bombshell as big as **** Overlord, the star of Last Stand of the Wreckers and MTMTE's first arc, and... you don't really do anything with him aside from establish he's still around and has certain allies. Not exactly very satisfying.
Dr Va'al wrote:Kurona wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Overlord's involvement, then he's been the biggest waste of a character in the story so far. He's supposed to be a near-indestructible, merciless killer. And all he does is basically shrug his shoulders and leave? Roberts seriously dropped the ball on that one. Again.I don't entirely agree here. Overlord being a selfish, self-absorbed shrugger is perfectly in line with his character.He might just walk off panel and kick a moribund Ten on the ground, just because he can. Then steal Megatron's hoverboard and play himself out (Empyrean suite, of course, he's that kind of jerk).
Oh I'd agree it certainly fits Overlord's character, but narratively it feels a bit disappointing and anticlimatic. You drop a bombshell as big as **** Overlord, the star of Last Stand of the Wreckers and MTMTE's first arc, and... you don't really do anything with him aside from establish he's still around and has certain allies. Not exactly very satisfying.
That I can agree with.
Kurona wrote:Also because I forgot to respond to it before; yeah, I just want Battle Unicorn in general. He looks so cool and it's a Transformer that turns into a Unicorn
This is exactly what I was trying to say. Va'al, I don't disagree with your assessment of Overlord's character, but in this story, based on his previous appearance, just that non-confrontational ending of his involvement was a letdown. Of course, as it was pointed out, it's just a preview. He might change his mind in mid-flight and come back to stomp Megatron. As for Tarn and Megatron, I fully expected 1 of them (OK, Tarn, to be specific) to die in the confrontation. He's not THE main villain of the comic (I think Overlord should get that distinction, there's almost unlimited potential there), I don't think, but he does make a good villain for the 1st part of it. But he's not a deep enough character to carry the story all the way to a 100 issues. So it's time for him to go. This story has been building up to the showdown between Tarn and Megatron, fueled by Megatron's about-face, as well as the DJD's ruthless previous appearances. So yes, I think this confrontation needs to end with a fatality, to put a conclusive end to it. Otherwise, what's the point? I'm not saying Megatron has to kill Tarn, but maybe someone else could to save Megatron. Or some other resolution that is beneficial to at least 1 main character involved in this whole thing. As it stands right now, Megatron and Tarn are at a stalemate, and an anticlimactic one at that. The lack of development is a disservice to both of these characters, who are each very intriguing in their own right. I just wish they were utilized to their fullest potential. But, again, it's just the preview. I'll find out on Wednesday, I guess.Kurona wrote:I'd agree it certainly fits Overlord's character, but narratively it feels a bit disappointing and anticlimatic. You drop a bombshell as big as **** Overlord, the star of Last Stand of the Wreckers and MTMTE's first arc, and... you don't really do anything with him aside from establish he's still around and has certain allies. Not exactly very satisfying.
Rodimus Prime wrote:This is exactly what I was trying to say. Va'al, I don't disagree with your assessment of Overlord's character, but in this story, based on his previous appearance, just that non-confrontational ending of his involvement was a letdown. Of course, as it was pointed out, it's just a preview. He might change his mind in mid-flight and come back to stomp Megatron. As for Tarn and Megatron, I fully expected 1 of them (OK, Tarn, to be specific) to die in the confrontation. He's not THE main villain of the comic (I think Overlord should get that distinction, there's almost unlimited potential there), I don't think, but he does make a good villain for the 1st part of it. But he's not a deep enough character to carry the story all the way to a 100 issues. So it's time for him to go. This story has been building up to the showdown between Tarn and Megatron, fueled by Megatron's about-face, as well as the DJD's ruthless previous appearances. So yes, I think this confrontation needs to end with a fatality, to put a conclusive end to it. Otherwise, what's the point? I'm not saying Megatron has to kill Tarn, but maybe someone else could to save Megatron. Or some other resolution that is beneficial to at least 1 main character involved in this whole thing. As it stands right now, Megatron and Tarn are at a stalemate, and an anticlimactic one at that. The lack of development is a disservice to both of these characters, who are each very intriguing in their own right. I just wish they were utilized to their fullest potential. But, again, it's just the preview. I'll find out on Wednesday, I guess.Kurona wrote:I'd agree it certainly fits Overlord's character, but narratively it feels a bit disappointing and anticlimatic. You drop a bombshell as big as **** Overlord, the star of Last Stand of the Wreckers and MTMTE's first arc, and... you don't really do anything with him aside from establish he's still around and has certain allies. Not exactly very satisfying.
Randomhero wrote:One thing I didn't realize until it was just pointed out was everyone is happy that Getaway didn't sell out the crew to the DJD which a lot of people are saying "awe see? He's not so bad" but instead he sold them out to another group that has zero issues will killing Cybertronians if it furthers their own goals. Soooooo? Yay getaway?
Dr Va'al wrote:Randomhero wrote:One thing I didn't realize until it was just pointed out was everyone is happy that Getaway didn't sell out the crew to the DJD which a lot of people are saying "awe see? He's not so bad" but instead he sold them out to another group that has zero issues will killing Cybertronians if it furthers their own goals. Soooooo? Yay getaway?
Getaway is a jerk.
Overlord is a jerk. Prowl is a prick. OP is a prick. We doin' good, guys.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Kurona wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:So if the DJD (or at least Tarn) or Megatron doesn't get killed, what was the point of this whole arc? Just to show Megatron's attack of conscience? Will Tarn's true self even get revealed?
Well, if you're looking for consequences...
-Getaway and the rest of the Lost Light have betrayed our main cast and left them stranded
-The Pet provided resolution to Chromedome and Rewind's arc
-The Necrobot is dead
-There's that whole thing with the hollow planet
-Megatron has come to terms with using violence when necessary
-Ratchet and Drift returned
-Overlord is established to still be alive, and the Galactic Council is established to be allied with him
-Skids is dead
-Nickle is betraying Tarn and allying with Deathsaurus
-Skids is dead
-Kaon is dead
-SKIDS IS DEAD
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