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Postby Va'al » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:42 am

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With some more news in the March 2018 solicitations seem here about the soon-to-begin crossover mini-series from IDW Publishing, featuring two more Hasbro properties clashing (but not really) with each other (but also in-fighting), we have the retailer incentive cover for Transformers vs The Visionaries #2, brought to us once more by artist Brendan Cahill, and coloured by Lauren Bennett!

The cover, mirrored below in both lineart and full colour, shows Virulina - the apparently new Darkling leader - and Ironhide, from the Cybertronian side of things, in a much different pose and setting than the cover for the first issue. Check it out!

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Preview for IDW Transformers vs The Visionaries #1

Postby Va'al » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:12 am

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Keeping up the marketing momentum, IDW Publishing have directly posted a preview for the upcoming first issue of their latest Hasbro universe crossover series, helmed by Magdalene Visaggio and Fico Ossio: Transformers vs The Visionaries #1!

We don't get too much more than what we first saw in the iTunes preview, posted here, but we do have an extra couple of pages added to the opening, and some additional characters introduced next to Merklynn, and alongside old Cybertronians Kup and Ironhide. Check it out below!

Cybertron has been invaded. The Transformers encounter unwelcome guests at the heart of Cybertron—and they may not have their hosts’ best interests at heart. Refugees from another world, the Visionaries' startling magical abilities could make them powerful allies... or dangerous enemies.


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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:52 pm

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How come IDW goes out of their way to portray most organics as stupid, smug bastards?
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Transcendent30 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:55 am

More race and gender baiting SJW nonsense from IDW, quickly going the way of Marvel. I'm sorry but Leoric is a white guy (along with Matt Trakker from MASK). These characters look NOTHING like Visionaries at all, but rather an obvious SJW political vehicle, for the white/man shaming of much loved franchises of the past. There is nothing wrong with being white. If they want ethnic minority characters, make NEW characters and NEW stories. The Visionaries are white male characters in fantasy knight armor. Deal with it. SJWs are destroying everything I hold dear at the moment. I'm boycotting all IDW publications from now on, until they decide to get rid of the identity politics. This is not Visionaries and it's not Transformers. It's sickening, forced "diversity" and no longer fun.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:03 am

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Transcendent30 wrote:More race and gender baiting SJW nonsense from IDW, quickly going the way of Marvel. I'm sorry but Leoric is a white guy (along with Matt Trakker from MASK). These characters look NOTHING like Visionaries at all, but rather an obvious SJW political vehicle, for the white/man shaming of much loved franchises of the past. There is nothing wrong with being white. If they want ethnic minority characters, make NEW characters and NEW stories. The Visionaries are white male characters in fantasy knight armor. Deal with it. SJWs are destroying everything I hold dear at the moment. I'm boycotting all IDW publications from now on, until they decide to get rid of the identity politics. This is not Visionaries and it's not Transformers. It's sickening, forced "diversity" and no longer fun.


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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:05 am

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Transcendent30 wrote:More race and gender baiting SJW nonsense from IDW, quickly going the way of Marvel. I'm sorry but Leoric is a white guy (along with Matt Trakker from MASK). These characters look NOTHING like Visionaries at all, but rather an obvious SJW political vehicle, for the white/man shaming of much loved franchises of the past. There is nothing wrong with being white. If they want ethnic minority characters, make NEW characters and NEW stories. The Visionaries are white male characters in fantasy knight armor. Deal with it. SJWs are destroying everything I hold dear at the moment. I'm boycotting all IDW publications from now on, until they decide to get rid of the identity politics. This is not Visionaries and it's not Transformers. It's sickening, forced "diversity" and no longer fun.


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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Daniel Adkins » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:44 am

Transcendent30 wrote:More race and gender baiting SJW nonsense from IDW, quickly going the way of Marvel. I'm sorry but Leoric is a white guy (along with Matt Trakker from MASK). These characters look NOTHING like Visionaries at all, but rather an obvious SJW political vehicle, for the white/man shaming of much loved franchises of the past. There is nothing wrong with being white. If they want ethnic minority characters, make NEW characters and NEW stories. The Visionaries are white male characters in fantasy knight armor. Deal with it. SJWs are destroying everything I hold dear at the moment. I'm boycotting all IDW publications from now on, until they decide to get rid of the identity politics. This is not Visionaries and it's not Transformers. It's sickening, forced "diversity" and no longer fun.

As someone who didn’t watch Visionaries, I’m curious, what part of Leoric’s character requires him to be a white man?
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Transcendent30 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:46 am

What "requires him to be a white man"? - The very fact his character IS a white man, with dark brown hair & tash too. I wouldn't want him given blond hair, red hair, long hair, or any other change to how he looked originally. Why change his skin colour to black? Reason - to fulfill the race obsessed bullshit of the far left SJWs, who have taken over most comic books and movies at the moment. They did this to Matt Trakker in MASK and other characters too. Would we see a new Blade, Steel or Spawn comic with the main character turned from black to white? Nope. I'm SICK of the race games. If they want black Visionaries, make new characters and fit them into the story. DO NOT be changing already established characters to fit your bullshit world views. *End of rant.*
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:57 am

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Transcendent30 wrote: *End of rant.*


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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Transcendent30 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:44 pm

These things make me angry.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby partholon » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:10 am

Deadput wrote:How come IDW goes out of their way to portray most organics as stupid, smug bastards?


stupid smug writers prehaps ?

im more worried about what they see as acceptable art TBH.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Daniel Adkins » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:14 pm

Am I just crazy? Why am I the only person who seems to like Fico Ossio? (Though I'd much prefer if Sebastian Cheng was back on from Revolutionaries)
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

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Daniel Adkins wrote:Am I just crazy? Why am I the only person who seems to like Fico Ossio? (Though I'd much prefer if Sebastian Cheng was back on from Revolutionaries)


I usually like Ossio's art on humans and usually 'bots, like Ironhide and Kup, but sometimes the 'bots look a little iffy, like Victorion and Windblade
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Daniel Adkins » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:48 pm

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Daniel Adkins wrote:Am I just crazy? Why am I the only person who seems to like Fico Ossio? (Though I'd much prefer if Sebastian Cheng was back on from Revolutionaries)


I usually like Ossio's art on humans and usually 'bots, like Ironhide and Kup, but sometimes the 'bots look a little iffy, like Victorion and Windblade

I let Windblade and Victorian slide since he drew those characters early on in his Transformers career. Over the course of Revolutionaries, he has improved immensely.
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Full Preview for IDW Transformers vs The Visionaries #1

Postby Va'al » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:56 am

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Despite having seen the majority of these pages already in this previous story from IDW Publishing, CBR has posted a fuller preview of this week's first issue in a new crossover miniseries - Transformers vs The Visionaries #1! Check it out below, and head back to Seibertron.com after its release for a review.

Story by
Magdalene Visaggio
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Colors by
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Letters by
Gilberto Lazcano
Cover by
Andrew Griffith, Angel Hernandez, Brendan Cahill, and Fico Ossio

Cybertron has been invaded. The Transformers encounter unwelcome guests at the heart of Cybertron—and they may not have their hosts’ best interests at heart. Refugees from another world, the Visionaries’ startling magical abilities could make them powerful allies… or dangerous enemies.

Welcome Eisner-nominated writer Magdalene Visaggio (Kim and Kim, Quantum Teens are Go, Secret Empire: Brave New World, Edge of the Venomverse) to the IDW family!
The Visionaries make their explosive return to comics!
Magic vs. metal!
Variant covers by Brendan Cahill and Angel Hernandez!


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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:50 am

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I disliked this comic so much I already canceled my subscription for the rest of the series. Not everyone will loathe it, just personally found what were actually really well done visuals and layouts (it almost doesn't need dialogue) bogged down by a lazy, uncreative, and vapid plot. Va'al will have a review up sometime this week and will be nicer than I would have been by quite a bit.
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Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #1

Postby Va'al » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:09 am

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More Like Old Prysmos
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Synopsis
Cybertron has been invaded. The Transformers encounter unwelcome guests at the heart of Cybertron—and they may not have their hosts’ best interests at heart. Refugees from another world, the Visionaries’ startling magical abilities could make them powerful allies… or dangerous enemies.

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evil wizard probably still evil


Story

It's a new year, and a new month, and a new week, so of course, we have a new comic book day -- with a new IDW Publishing Hasbro shared universe crossover which brings a new reality and a new threat to a newly found order and semblance of peace on Cybertron, in the form of Merklynn's Visionaries. And here's my first disclaimer: I never had any interest of knowledge of Visionaries: Knights of the Magical Light.

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With that taken care of, I'll admit I was able to follow the entirety of the plot and the dynamics - personal, interpersonal, interplanetary, inner and outer - that are being set up by newcomer to the Transformers part of the universe Magdalene Visaggio. And for the Visionaries part of the story, despite some admittedly by-the-numbers characterisations and set-ups, I wasn't displeased.

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...and then we get here


On the Transformers side of the story however, issues arise. Aplenty. The core Cybertronian cast is small, but that is not an issue - Ironhide, Kup, Wheeljack can easily carry a story, as Revolutionaries and issues in the ongoings have shown - but their personalities here do not feel coherent with their previous IDW incarnation at all, even following more of a G1 animated series couple of pointers at times. Which actually has repercussions on the way the plot unravels.

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also Breakdown is in it


And that is the crux of the issue: Cybertron is in peril, again. Realities will be shattered, again. We've just had a new status quo established on the planet after First Strike and as this issue is starting up - and just like that, everything comes crumbling down in the most lazy, forced, unnecessary way possible. More on this below.


Art

As I mentioned in the initial part of the review, the story is perfectly understandable, readable, and legible - and that is a virtue in the layouts too. Fico Ossio works extremely well with what Visaggio sets out, and we have a story that works from a visual perspective, as well as some pleasing improvements in the treatment of Cybertronian features since the early days of Revolution.

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Similarly, as with the previous work on First Strike, the colours by David Garcia Cruz work really well with the new (help me say it here, though) take on technology vs magic, giving us both vibrancy and shadow where required, and working well with partner in crime Ossio. Some of the background lightings are particularly noteworthy.

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I did also quite enjoy the lettering work of Gilberto Lazcano, perhaps more subdued than others in the approach to the craft, but still expertly weaving through the layouts to clarify points, names, and emphasis where required by the script and story. And while we have seen a lot of the covers already - you can check them all out in our database of course - the Brendan Cahill / Lauren Bennett one chosen for the thumbnail is perhaps the most poignant (if anything had landed in the story).

Thoughts
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We have seen all of the issues and problems that this book has brought to light once before, featuring the same exact characters and set-up, already: Infestation. And much like Infestation, there is nothing there that hooked me in any way to keep on reading or covering the series with any interest. In fact, the reaction I have seen to the final events range from the 'unnecessary, but meh' to complete, and I'd say justified, frustration and anger.

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My main point, however? I blame very little on this on the writing, the script, or the directly involved creative team (the credited ones, I mean) - this feels a lot, almost reeks, of editorial mandates. The editorial backmatter, to me and many others, confirms that. The multiple misspellings (Breakdown, Trailblazer) and insistence on certain points confirm it. The multiple covers showing gruesome deaths of Cybertronian characters are part of the confirmation too.

And after the affirmation brought by the likes of Optimus Prime and Till All Are One, and Lost Light to a lesser extent, this was entirely unnecessary, and unfair to Visaggio, Ossio, and the rest of the team.


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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:54 am

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Great review! :APPLAUSE: Really encapsulates how I felt about it (generally very negatively) while pointing out the genuinely very good art, colors, lighting, letters, and, characterization issues aside, dialogue.

On editorial, man the personnel moves are tough to follow but isn't Tipton involved again? Because it feels that way.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:12 pm

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ScottyP wrote:Great review! :APPLAUSE: Really encapsulates how I felt about it (generally very negatively) while pointing out the genuinely very good art, colors, lighting, letters, and, characterization issues aside, dialogue.

On editorial, man the personnel moves are tough to follow but isn't Tipton involved again? Because it feels that way.


Gaydos, Guzman, and Mariotte were on this one, apparently.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Scrounge1984 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:25 pm

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Yeah, this does seem like an issue with checking the hasbro box instead of writing and lack of effort. This is why I'm not entirely against the Unicron reboot, although I haven't been reading as long so I can see why some are disappointed.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:05 pm

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Scrounge1984 wrote:Yeah, this does seem like an issue with checking the hasbro box instead of writing and lack of effort. This is why I'm not entirely against the Unicron reboot, although I haven't been reading as long so I can see why some are disappointed.
The Unicron story itself is not a reboot. It has been speculated by fans to be a way for them to end the current continuity and then do a reboot, but this is only conjecture for the moment :)
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Interview with Creators of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #1 - Spoilers

Postby Va'al » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:41 pm

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Not long after the release of the book (today) and the publication of the Seibertron.com review (read it here), SyFy also brings us an interview with the entire creative team involved in the barely tepid start to Transformers vs Visionaries mini-series crossover.

In the piece, which you can read in full here, editors Sarah Gaydos and David Mariotte join writer Magdalene Visaggio and artist Fico Ossio in talking about their approach to the issue, the story in general, the influences on both Transformers and Visionaries from previous work, and where it might go from here. There are gigantic spoilers for the issue, of course, but we've avoided them in the snippets below.


Magdalene Visaggio: There's a ton of great concepts in the old Visionaries cartoon from a storytelling standpoint. The basic structure of the show is super compelling. But I knew that that kind of content wasn't going to fly in 2017. So I approached this much like Ron Moore approached Battlestar Galactica: what's the stuff here that matters, versus what's the stuff here's that's designed to sell toys? We only have five issues to work with, so everything needed to be streamlined; initially that meant paring down the cast and simplifying the magical system, which in the show involves multiple animal totems, with some of the players getting magical staves and others getting the power to control ancient vehicles. I basically stripped everything down to something that wouldn't demand copious explanation: everyone gets a staff that can summon holograms, nobody gets more than one totem, etc.

I also really can't stand it when villains exist for the sole purpose of being evil. So I needed to figure out what exactly separates the Darkling Lords from the Spectral Knights. You know, what is the story the Darklings are telling themselves where they're the good guys? So I landed on the idea that they're both factions of a single organization run by Merklynn – the Visionaries, natch – with different philosophies that went into schism. There's more there that's gonna come into play as the book unfolds.

Fico Ossio: We kept the original concept, the idea behind Visionaries and started from there. After we had the story, we worked on what this world and characters should look like and then matched that with the original designs/characters and IDW's Transformers. But overall we wanted to do a complete update from the original for the most part.

Sarah Gaydos: For me, the key was having a believable situation where both the Visionaries and our current IDW version of Transformers all would exist believably in one place, so it just didn't make sense to stick with a vintage look. Fico did a fantastic job of updating the character design and mechanics of the Visionaries. I couldn't be happier with it!

[...]

SPOILER obviously provided many more big moments in the comics for IDW, and you highlighted some of those moments at the end of the book. Fans will want to see [them] avenged, right?

Magdalene Visaggio: And [they're] not going to be the only one to die before all this is over. This is a high-stakes story that is going to have long-term consequences for the IDW G1 franchise.

Fico Ossio: OH YES! I'm looking forward to drawing that.

Sarah Gaydos: Hell yes, I want to see [them] avenged. This book has real stakes, real emotions at play. Mags is doing a fantastic job with balancing all these aspects of intrigue, betrayal, grief, and somehow packing in a ton of heart all at the same time. And Fico's art, with colors by David Garcia Cruz, captures the incredible visuals of New Prysmos, while still bringing the spirit of Transformers everyone knows and loves to life.

[...]

With magic playing such a big part, you chose some interesting characters to combat that in Wheeljack, a scientist, Breakdown and Ironhide, a typically traditional, protective and defensive voice. Talk about playing those personalities up against New Prysmos, Darkling Lords and Spectral Knights.

Magdalene Visaggio: Ha, yeah. I actually didn't get much of a say in the matter, which I think is really cool. So many other characters were occupied in other books and stories, so these were the face characters that were available – which is kind of exactly how it happens in-universe, too; you don't always get to pick your team. I credit David Mariotte for handing me a group of Cybertronian heroes who would be a great foil to the Visionaries I was reinventing.

David Mariotte: It's true, there are a lot of other Transformers doing a lot of other things right now, but we worked with my predecessor, Carlos Guzman, to figure out a core handful of characters that would be available and a good fit. And a lot of them fell into place naturally. Ironhide is a head of security on Cybertron and suddenly there's this whole city with unknown capabilities that he has to deal with. Wheeljack's a scientist who is suddenly up against a force that defies explanation. Breakdown, and I'll never stop harping on how well Mags writes him, has been a background character for a while now, but he finally gets his chance to step up and show Cybertron what he's made out of.


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Re: IDW Transformers vs Visionaries Discussion Thread

Postby Daniel Adkins » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:23 pm

Honestly, I feel bad for the creative team of this book. All the potentially interesting things this series could do will all be overshadowed by a terrible editorial decision. I guarantee that if it weren't for that last page, nobody would have a problem with this series.
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