That Bot wrote:I can deal with having somewhat skinny legs because his tail is already fat as hell. If his legs were any bigger, the tail would be twice the size of the rest of the figure in T-rex mode. And honestly, this works just fine as a classics Grimlock. It has Grimlock's build, his colors, that perfect head, it has the timeless Grimlock transformation, and it's BIG. It turns into a more modernized robot T-Rex with a light-up gimmick in his mouth that you can pretend is him blowing fire. I haven't seen very many people here besides you, Rated X, who say they only care about classics-style figs, and even then, Hasbro's target with this figure is squarely kids. He's the most likely of any of the FOC Generations figures for kids to want, because he is a freaking robot t-rex. You don't have to play the games to appreciate that. That screams "cool" to pretty much any boy over the age of 4. So the goal with this figure isn't to appeal to the lucrative adult collector market as much as the Classics and first Generations line were, and thus the ideal of a Classics-style aesthetic isn't the priority. I'm sorry you don't like it, but I think you're being entirely too hard on it. If this figure doesn't fill your Classics Grimlock needs, get a Masterpiece.
starwarrior1227 wrote:Noideaforaname wrote:More (and clearer) pics here:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... 005&type=1
that back pack just killed it for me.
there should be NO way that the dino mode has a hallow belly, yet robot mode has a HUGE chest and a large backpack
RAcast wrote:starwarrior1227 wrote:Noideaforaname wrote:More (and clearer) pics here:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... 005&type=1
that back pack just killed it for me.
there should be NO way that the dino mode has a hallow belly, yet robot mode has a HUGE chest and a large backpack
The dino mode does have hollow stomach so the dino head can collapse into it. And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?
WHAAAAAT!!! He's SHORTER than the Soundwave/Soundblaster/Blaster mold?!!!Noideaforaname wrote:More (and clearer) pics here:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... 005&type=1
That's because they started with putting WFC molds into the line at first, and then the FOC game came out and now they gotta get those toys going since it's the new big thing on the market besides Prime. While thye could have made a new toyline for these, it's probably due to the WFC toys that were in the line before that opened the door for these FOC molds to be sold in this line instead.Rated X wrote:I see youre point. But you must admit the Generations line wasnt designed to be hijacked by FOC. It is meant to be a homage line of different "Generations" and lately I havent seen anything but FOC under that line. (Im not counting GDO repaints, I mean new molds)
It's not that it's a "continuity", but a "franchise". FOC has not just a game, but a comic and toys as well. Some franchises don't even have anything BUT toys.Rated X wrote:I dont even consider a video game a continuity. Without a cartoon or comic storyline, it is nothing more than digital artwork and figures inspired by the likes of such. At least thats my opinion.
Yet, the transformation schemes are entirely different. The robot torso front forms the back (not the stomach) of the T-Rex. There are no back kibble "wings" like the animated figure had. The robot shoulders shift inward and outward when transforming to the T-Rex thighs and back, whereas the Animated figure's robot shoulders/T-Rex thighs stay put. the legs transform from the tail differently. And the proportions differ with Animated Grimlock being more akin to the G1 Grimlock T-Rex while this one being more like a realistic T-Rex.Rated X wrote:On to the figure itself. In my opinion they basicly took Animated Grimlock and changed his smooth round surfaces and replaced them with more flat surfaces with angles and details.
Well, they made an intent to make sure that this Grimlock wasn't dumb.Rated X wrote:I want a Big dumb T-Rex that drags his tail.
Even though the Jurassic Park Raptors were just as scientifically incorrect as G1 Grimlock's T-Rex.Rated X wrote:I dont want a streamlined scientificly correct T-Rex that looks more like a Raptor from Jurassic park.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
You're only viewing the toy. How can you tell how large the back kibble is?starwarrior1227 wrote:that back pack just killed it for me.
there should be NO way that the dino mode has a hallow belly, yet robot mode has a HUGE chest and a large backpack
Pretender Grimlock, Action Master Grimlock, Beast Wars Grimlock, Alternators Grimlock... Hey, you asked.RAcast wrote:The dino mode does have hollow stomach so the dino head can collapse into it. And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?
G1 and Masterpiece Grimlock had giant WINGS on their backs. That's bigger than what we got here.starwarrior1227 wrote:i dont remember grimlock ever having a backpack THAT big
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
RAcast wrote:And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?
Sabrblade wrote:Pretender Grimlock, Action Master Grimlock, Beast Wars Grimlock, Alternators Grimlock... Hey, you asked.RAcast wrote:The dino mode does have hollow stomach so the dino head can collapse into it. And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?
Noideaforaname wrote:RAcast wrote:And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?
Well, technically, FoC Grim isn't *supposed* to have a dino-backpack; in fact, his character model has little to nothing T. rex-esque on him, and as a result his video game transform sequence is cheaty as hell (hence why it's always so cinematic in campaign mode).
I do wish it collapsed in a bit more, but it is incredibly clever how the light for the "flamethrower" is also used to light up the body like when Grimlock was enraged in the game.
Sabrblade wrote:You're only viewing the toy. How can you tell how large the back kibble is?starwarrior1227 wrote:that back pack just killed it for me.
there should be NO way that the dino mode has a hallow belly, yet robot mode has a HUGE chest and a large backpackPretender Grimlock, Action Master Grimlock, Beast Wars Grimlock, Alternators Grimlock... Hey, you asked.RAcast wrote:The dino mode does have hollow stomach so the dino head can collapse into it. And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?G1 and Masterpiece Grimlock had giant WINGS on their backs. That's bigger than what we got here.starwarrior1227 wrote:i dont remember grimlock ever having a backpack THAT big
That Bot wrote:People complain about the legs being small and the tail being big. They're the same part. If they made the legs bigger, the tail would be goddamn gigantic. If they made the tail smaller, the legs would be skeletal. You can't have it both ways on this one.
That Bot wrote:People complain about the legs being small and the tail being big. They're the same part. If they made the legs bigger, the tail would be goddamn gigantic. If they made the tail smaller, the legs would be skeletal. You can't have it both ways on this one.
Burn wrote:Please don't clog this thread up with garbage. Either post a real picture of yourself, or tell Va'al how pretty he is.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:the most amazing argument ever in the history of Transformer fandom.
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
MasterSoundBlaster wrote:That Bot wrote:People complain about the legs being small and the tail being big. They're the same part. If they made the legs bigger, the tail would be goddamn gigantic. If they made the tail smaller, the legs would be skeletal. You can't have it both ways on this one.
Thank you!
Listen if you don't like it, don't but it. No need to be ranting so much
Rated X wrote:MasterSoundBlaster wrote:That Bot wrote:People complain about the legs being small and the tail being big. They're the same part. If they made the legs bigger, the tail would be goddamn gigantic. If they made the tail smaller, the legs would be skeletal. You can't have it both ways on this one.
Thank you!
Listen if you don't like it, don't but it. No need to be ranting so much
Maybe they should have stuck with the classic G1 transformation sequence. Was there really a need to "neo-ize" the transformation ?
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Sabrblade wrote:I think the big issue here is that the people here who want this to be like an updated G1 Grimlock and still don't like it simply have standards that are way too specific.
Hasbro already gave us an updated Classics-style Grimlock in the form of the Classics Grimlock from 2006. But people complained that it wasn't faithful enough to the G1 Grimlock and felt too different.
Then we got the Masterpiece Grimlock that was VERY faithful to the G1 Grimlock while still being updated from the G1 version. But, they still complained for the opposite reason: It isn't that much of an update since it's just the straight up G1 version with modern engineering.
Fast forward to today and we have this Grimlock. A very updated Grimlock with a faithful appearance to the G1 version while also being different enough to call an update (even though it represents a different character, but these people are looking for G1 updates rather than new characters). Surely such a combination would satisfy those who are getting all that they ever wanted, right?
Right?
"It's ugly."
Hasbro finally gives what was asked of them, and the resultant response given is, "It's ugly."
This just goes to show that there is simply no pleasing people. They asked for a Classic-style update that resembles the G1 Grimlock faithfully enough while still being different enough to be called an update, and they turn it down for the pickiest of reasons.
You know something? If this isn't enough, then I don't know what is. Masterpiece Grimlock is the most definitive version of G1 Grimlock we've ever gotten, but people want an update. What baffles the mind is why anyone would want such an update when said update is not how the character looked in the fiction. Mastepiece Grimlock is the most show-accurate representation of the character we've ever gotten. If it's an update that's wanted, go for Classics Grimlock. If Classics Grimlock is too different from how Grimlock is supposed to look, then why on Earth would one want to get an updated version in the first place? Just go for the one that actually LOOKS like Grimlock. And here we have a Grimlock that is, for all intents and purposes, a compromise between the updated look of the Classics-style figures and show-accuracy of the Masterpiece figures, and just so happens to also resemble the video game design of Aligned Grimlock. Despite being a separate character, the toy is still ripe for the repurposing into a Classics-style G1 Grimlock. Yet, even when all the demands by these people have been met by this toy, they can't help but still look for faults in this figure to nitpick about. Ya'll know what? If Hasbro still didn't meet these satisfactions with this toy, then they probably never will. They already made a Classic-style updated Grimlock (Classics), a G1-accurate Grimlock (Masterpiece), and halfway point between both (this one). They likely aren't going to try again after hitting the nail so many times just because a certain group of fans have the most meticulous of standards that no real world toy company like Hasbro would ever cater to, as that's just expecting way too much, especially since Hasbro isn't even interested in doing more Classics-style figures right now when they're putting all their attention on getting the FOC figures out and available to the public. The Classics-style G1 character figures have had their turn and now it's time for others to have theirs. The Classics-style figures will likely come back at a later point, but right now is not their time. and if and when they do make their return, there likely won't be another Grimlock since that requirement was alreayd met three times over (Classics, MP, Generations FOC). If none of these three Grimlock toys are satisfactory enough for a Classics-style collection, then I don't know what else to say other than something like, "Oh well."
Man, I need a drink.
Grimlock is supposed to be BIGGER than Optimus. Classics Optimus was a Voyager. MP Grimlock is akin to an Ultra, the one size above Voyager below Leader. That makes him work.Rated X wrote:MP Grimlock was an update in my opinion. The ony problem with it was that it wasnt voyager sized. MP figures are for coffee tables in a man-cave, not large scale season 1 collections. For me an update means increased posability, or as you put it "modern engineering. Im not among the neo fanatics who want every alt mode to be the latest piece of technology in the vechicle world. Nor do I care for complex transformations that are like puzzles and easily broken. If I-gear were to KO MP Grimlock and shrink it to voyager size, nobody would give a crap about this FOC figure.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
william-james88 wrote:So that would also be the case for Predaking, who is also six members.
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