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Tammuz wrote:where is whisper these days?

Oh, you know... here and there...

the return of prettiest maximus?

Hollow One wrote:

Chaoslock wrote:If Hollow makes it to the Council, I'm going pred.

I'll hold you to that!











Possibly.

If the Pit ever freezes over and you are elected to the Decepticon Council, I bet you'll see alot of Decepticon Defectors.

FFS guys, lay off Hollow One.

I know you're all only joking and he may not be taking offense but constantly ridiculing his potential leadership abilities is getting old like constantly kicking him in the nuts.

And at least he's willing to step up and have a go. What exactly have you and Chaoslock done for the Decepticon faction lately Animus?

Burn wrote:FFS guys, lay off Hollow One.

I know you're all only joking and he may not be taking offense but constantly ridiculing his potential leadership abilities is getting old like constantly kicking him in the nuts.

And at least he's willing to step up and have a go. What exactly have you and Chaoslock done for the Decepticon faction lately Animus?

Game was down for how long?

I'm new and I know my place. I'll contribute if I can, and if it doesn't come across as me being a n00b instead of a newb. I'm not going to go around making stupid statements and potentially pissing everyone off because I just pinoneered a new thing, awesome thing, it's transformering robots, no one's ever heard of it.

As for Chaoslock, I don't know him but judging by his join date and post count compaired to Hollow's and mine, golly gee Burn if someone of his statue on this board is against Hollow becoming Council maybe he's not ready for it.

End of the day this is just a game. A game based on a children's cartoon and toyline. But from what I've seen it's the most serious business on the internets. Everyone here just takes what everyone says at face value. And assumes it's an electronic slap in the face. I wish I could just code posts = [sarcasm]My post[/sarcasm].

It's not a serious business.

It is however, a joke running too thin. And if people are serious and not joking, well that to me seems to be borderline abuse towards another member which last I checked was against the rules.

How is the guy suppose to prove himself if no one is willing to give him a chance?

Um, cuddles? I cross-dressed once, I don't drink as much as I do just for leisure, and despite studying English and being a published writer, I still get labelled as inept, stupid and a spammer for pretty much no reason these days. I shrug it off. I'm pretty sure Hollow One can shrug it off too. Don't be such a smothering nanny.

Let me pose you this question Burn. If you weren't on the Council and I was. Would you really like taking orders from me? Being that I'm more or less brand new to this community? What about 4-6 months from now? When I'm still a newcomer and you've been here forever? I'm saying that it's not our place on the Ruling Council. Real politicians have a minimum age limit to make sure they're "mature enough" to rule us. I don't think this Council, or any other, for this matter should be different.

And I feel your pain Jesus. I'm branded a n00b, asshole, and uppety jerk, because I'm new to this forum, oppinionated, and I don't suffer from Hive Mind. I'm a straight shooter, and not everyone is going to like me for it. I shrug it off and go on, because ultimatly it's the internet and has no bearing on my real life. But I do have a right to voice my oppinion. If you don't like mine, or me, then I suggest you use the Foe system to ignore me.

Animus wrote:Let me pose you this question Burn. If you weren't on the Council and I was. Would you really like taking orders from me? Being that I'm more or less brand new to this community? What about 4-6 months from now? When I'm still a newcomer and you've been here forever? I'm saying that it's not our place on the Ruling Council. Real politicians have a minimum age limit to make sure they're "mature enough" to rule us. I don't think this Council, or any other, for this matter should be different.

I wouldn't have a problem with taking orders from you, if people felt you were good enough for the job then so be it.

Why do I support Hollow One for council? Because he genuinely wants to have a go. Unlike some who I feel only want a spot on the council to force a confrontation between themselves and the powers that be, Hollow One I feel really wants the job and will do the best he can should he get it.

Experience? Sorry, but experience means **** to me come V2. No one will have any experience as it's suppose to be an all new game.

As for putting a limit on how long a person should be here before they can stand for election, who is going to set those limits? How does that welcome new people to the forums if they can't contribute or have a say until they've been here for so long?

I see guys who join up and make an impact straight away and do a great job of benifitting the "community" whereas there are others who have been here for years who do nothing, contribute nothing, and tend to just bitch and whine about things.

Whether you've been here two days or two years doesn't mean anything, it's how you contribute to the forums that people will judge you on.

And I feel your pain Jesus. I'm branded a n00b, asshole, and uppety jerk, because I'm new to this forum, oppinionated, and I don't suffer from Hive Mind.

I must be missing a few threads because I haven't seen anyone brand you a n00b, arsehole or uppity jerk.

You also defeat your own argument that a person needs to be here for x amount of time before they can stand for council, I mean if that were the case then why not extend it to not listening to a person at all until such time, and if we were to do that then this whole post of your is pretty pointless isn't it?

No, it's not. Because you've stood up, voiced your opinion, had your say, and done it without resorting to petty name calling. Is that the sign of a "n00b"? Not in my eyes. And just because we disagree doesn't make you an arsehole either, heck, it's straight shooting opinions like yours that I do appreciate and what this forum needs more of.

Short answer: No new players shouldn't be censored or told to shut up when voicing their opinions.

Long Answer: No with a but;

The only reason I feel that new players should be subjected to a length of time being here before being voted into office makes sense. No matter where you're from your politicians have some sort of time or age limit imposed on them. There are multiple reasons I suggest this. One is commitment. Sure Hollow One might want to be a leader, alot of us newer players want to jump up and do so, but can he commit the time to doing the job? What if during his term some personal issue nullifies his online time. While this could happen to any of the members I'm simply citing him as an example.

Then there's the fact that the Ruling Council should be the people players look up to. Because ultimately if I understand the structure of V 2.0 correctly, we non Council players will be taking orders from them. Setups, weapons, and even troop deployments. The fact that Hollow One is already getting this amount of flack, to me at least, states that he hasn't proven himself to a vast majority of people.

Also another question I have is this: aren't the Council's (of each faction that is) eventually going to have to go into negotiations and talks with each other? Well do you think the Ruling Councils of the other factions are going to have wet behind the ears new players on them? And if so do you really think that every last one of them is going to respect the oppinion of a new player? Hell right now I can imagine the sea of tl;dr just from my ramblings on the subject.

He's (?) right, though, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who would have problems taking orders from a new player when I could be taking them from someone more experienced. It still, to this day, puzzles me why the likes of Satanstorm or Metroplex79 weren't even in the running for this thing, despite their evident worth and prowess, while we still continue to bicker over whether or not Hollow One deserved to be considered. It's like wondering why they killed Brawn, but ignoring the fact that they killed Optimus Prime.

The voters will judge for themselves who is
experienced enough for office. Hollow One has expressed his desire to not be singled out and everyone should respect that.
Not saying he can't take a joke.
On a lighter note, I don't think it is just higher levels needing help.
I'm experiencing a major lack of Bots out there a lot of the time.
If this wasV2, Cybertron would already belong to the Cons.
Mwhahahahahahaha!!!!

I think it's time we stopped using the band-aid soltuion and looked at the bigger problem.

Why is it exactly, that the Autobots simply cannot hang onto high level players?

Why is it that every now and then a couple of high level 'Cons have to be transferred over to balance things?

Just what is so unappealing that high level Autobots don't hang around? Aside from having such reliable team mates like steve2275 who's become an arena dweller.

Burn wrote:I think it's time we stopped using the band-aid soltuion and looked at the bigger problem.

Why is it exactly, that the Autobots simply cannot hang onto high level players?

Why is it that every now and then a couple of high level 'Cons have to be transferred over to balance things?

Just what is so unappealing that high level Autobots don't hang around? Aside from having such reliable team mates like steve2275 who's become an arena dweller.

Because the Autobots are power hungry war mongers? Who are just as likely to shoot each other as one of us?

maybe we should turn off the arena above level3?



but yeah i'd like to know why the bots just don't make it to high levels, the last 3 months have been really bad it seems, as preiviously we only outnumbered the bots at level 6 and 7, now the cons have the numerical advantage almost all the way down to level 4 (exception is level 9)

Having a quick look at the high scores, I count 8 different commanders in the top 25 for the Autobots.

Two of which are former 'Cons.
Two have been here from the beginning.
And one is suppose to have a team full of losers. I want Ineptibots V1 back.

how many max/preds?

Within the top 125 for the game overall (because we don't have break downs for Predacon and Maximal high scores) you have sprokitz (former Decepticon, transferred to Autobots to prop them up, then became Maximal) and Lost (former Autobot) on the Maximals and Squishyman for the Predacons.

so 8 bots, 2maxs, 1 pred, and 14 cons?

Bun-Bun wrote:

Burn wrote:I'll trade you Tammuz, Redimus, and Dark Ops for Whisper.

Thanks.

Done.
Only since we don't have Whisper, we'll give you...uhm,
we'll give you....



uhm,





Oh I know !

You give us them, and we'll take Whiner and Hollow too and call it even.

Bugger that!

I'll only defect to the Preds if HO defects to the Bots!


As for why the bots have such problems at the higher levels, it's simple, most cuasual players go bot, people who dont know much about transformers go, 'oh id like ot be the good guys, so i'll go there', then they get bored and stop playing. Most people who join the cons are bigger, ore dedicated tf fans who happen to think the cons are cooler. They tend to be more dedicated to the game as a result which means there tend to be more of them as they level up faster, and stay for longer.

Of course there is the major fact that it's easier to level up as a low level con bacause of the all the xp gained from outnumbered missions (again becuase of all the armchair fans on the Bot's side).

Redimus wrote: Most people who join the cons are bigger

I don't see how mine, or Burn's, girth is anything to do with this

Tammuz wrote:so 8 bots, 2maxs, 1 pred, and 14 cons?

I was talking about the top 25 for the Autobots, as in the high scores sorted by faction not the overall top 25.

Overall the numbers would be different again. I'll let you work them out this time.

Redimus wrote:Of course there is the major fact that it's easier to level up as a low level con bacause of the all the xp gained from outnumbered missions (again becuase of all the armchair fans on the Bot's side).

I'd say it's just as easy for the 'Bots as well, provided of course they're crazy enough to enter cross level missions to leech off higher level 'Cons.

It's why I feel the likes of CJB and Tifereth and even Hoistimus were able to rise through the rankings so quickly, but have now pretty much stagnated as there's very few higher than them to leech off.

Burn wrote:It's why I feel the likes of CJB and Tifereth and even Hoistimus were able to rise through the rankings so quickly, but have now pretty much stagnated as there's very few higher than them to leech off.

so how come none of the other bots can do this?

Cowardice.

They're not willing to take the chances. They're opting for safety in numbers below level 4.

gits