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Rated X wrote: So pound for pound, IT is the superior.

If IT was so Superior,Then why did their company close down

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote: So pound for pound, IT is the superior.

If IT was so Superior,Then why did their company close down

Read the whole comment before replying. As i stated before ive had 5 broken KFC figures vs one broken IT figure. So in the QUALITY department, IT is superior. As far as the subject matter or aesthetics of the figures themselves, thats up for debate. But the bottom line is i dont have a history of broken figures from IT. But i do with KFC. Go ahead, spend almost $200 on your oversized out of scale ultra magnus. If it falls apart in your hands, i dont give two craps. Youve been warned about the quality of KFC products from someone who owns every mold they have put out to date.

Autobot Genocide wrote:

Thanks for these newer beautiful pics. This toy looks so amazing.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

zodconvoy wrote:

shajaki wrote:as for repaints though, didnt they recently say they dont have to justify 10 repaints for 1 mold because of the success they had with the lambors and datsuns?

That's exactly what I'm saying. They had to use two molds a dozen times to get Wheeljack and Skyfire would take more than that. Like, dozens more. Like, MP Bumblebee coming out in all his repaints, including the Mexican and Brazilian recolors, twice over and them all being smash hits. Such a large and unique build with a completely unused and untested design would just be hell for Takara to budget out. And even then, they run the risk of not getting the support from the fans who want Jetfire over Skyfire. It's just not worth it to them.

It can be done if HasTak uses remolded parts on the MP TF toy line. If HasTak did a MP Jetfire,It could be turned into Jhiaxus,Dreadwing or Thunderwing. All thats needed is newer heads,newer colors & resculpted parts. HasTak can even do a Black repaint of MP Skyfire as Takara did one with the 1.0 mold.

As far as MP Shockwave is concerned. It can have Two toy colors. The Cartoon Dark grey colors. Then the Toy,comic purple colors. With newer heads & reculpted parts,It can be turned into Straxus & Bludgeon.

That's the thing about the MP line, it's price point and toon accuracy means they can't get away with the same "repaint + new head = close enough" philosophy that the Classics series can. They can't put a Sunsteaker head on Sideswipe or Wheeljack and call it a day. Bludgeon has nothing in common with Shockwave, Skyfire has nothing in common with Jhiaxus. Would that have worked in Generations? Maybe, but Generations is a line of compromises and half measures. Cliffjumper is a red Bumblebee? Close enough. Magnus has no armor? Deal with it. Sunstreaker is Sideswipe with his shirt on backwards? That's awesome! ...for $12 anyway. If they're asking people to shell out $70-$300 for an MP none of that flies anymore. The price is so high because they can't make those compromises. Can Trailbreaker be made into Hoist? Of course! Can he be turned into Skids? Not so much. Can Hound be mad into Swindle? Okay, I'd buy it because Swindle but would most collectors? Probably not. It worked for Alternators because most fans viewed it as a companion line to the original MP line. Look at Alt Smokescreen compared to MP Smokescreen. Which one's a Masterpiece?

TL/DR: Masterpieces has to be masterpieces, not overgrown Classics.

The quality of this product looks way better than the previous KFC offerings. But then it would have to, because my Slamdance was pretty dreadful. The 'KFC' emblazoned on the numberplate is terrible and needs Reprolabels to obscure it. It's also too big in robot mode but would look great with MP01 or as a standalone. I admire that the transformation is all integrated too.

Crap. It really does look rather good.

I dunno, as good as this may look (or even actually be), those two key words just keep echoing in my mind Perfect Edition. Those are the words Takara used to describe their upcoming MP Magnus. As good as their current MPs have been (since MP-10), anything they're calling 'Perfect' has to be truly outstanding so I'm not dropping any money on this or any other 'not-MP Ultra Magnus' until I see what Takara's done.

Rated X wrote: As i stated before ive had 5 broken KFC figures vs one broken IT figure. So in the QUALITY department, IT is superior. As far as the subject matter or aesthetics of the figures themselves, thats up for debate. But the bottom line is i dont have a history of broken figures from IT. But i do with KFC.

This is what youtube TF toy reviews videos are for. Watch a video before you buy. Then afterwards decide if you still want to buy or not.This is what I & some others plan to do with this toy.

chimungmung's site says they are getting the KFC UM toy in stock on April 10th. Their are bound to be a few buyers doing Youtube toy review videos on this toy.

Rated X wrote: Go ahead, spend almost $200 on your oversized out of scale ultra magnus. If it falls apart in your hands, i dont give two craps. Youve been warned about the quality of KFC products from someone who owns every mold they have put out to date.

This reads like you are attempting to antagonize on those who love this toy & are buying it.

Edit & erase.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote: As i stated before ive had 5 broken KFC figures vs one broken IT figure. So in the QUALITY department, IT is superior. As far as the subject matter or aesthetics of the figures themselves, thats up for debate. But the bottom line is i dont have a history of broken figures from IT. But i do with KFC.

This is what youtube TF toy reviews videos are for. Watch a video before you buy. Then afterwards decide if you still want to buy or not.This is what I & some others plan to do with this toy.

chimungmung's site says they are getting the KFC UM toy in stock on April 10th. Their are bound to be a few buyers doing Youtube toy review videos on this toy.

Rated X wrote: Go ahead, spend almost $200 on your oversized out of scale ultra magnus. If it falls apart in your hands, i dont give two craps. Youve been warned about the quality of KFC products from someone who owns every mold they have put out to date.

This reads like you are attempting to antagonize on those who love this toy & are buying it.

Haven't you realized by now that "reviewers" are guys that get the figures for free in exchange for doing hype videos on youtube ??? When the review starts with a BBTS or TFsource caption, you know you are about to watch a glorified commercial. I'm just giving you honest facts from my experiences with KFC quality control issues. You can take it and roll with it, or you could go spend $200 and play a game of Russian roulette with KFC. Spin the barrel, buddy. I will laugh if you come on here b**tching next month about the quality of KFC.

Rated X wrote:You've been warned about the quality of KFC products from someone who owns every mold they have put out to date.

I'm not picking a side or anything, this is just out of curiosity. If KFC's stuff is so bad, why do you own every mold they put out so far? I would think after probably the 3rd broken product at the most it would make sense to stop buying their stuff.

Rated X wrote: buddy. I will laugh if you come on here b**tching next month about the quality of KFC.

This reads like you are attempting to antagonize some more.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Rated X wrote:You've been warned about the quality of KFC products from someone who owns every mold they have put out to date.

I'm not picking a side or anything, this is just out of curiosity. If KFC's stuff is so bad, why do you own every mold they put out so far? I would think after probably the 3rd broken product at the most it would make sense to stop buying their stuff.

Until Mugan scope came out KFC was just making cassettes. Theyre not that expensive so even if the quality is crap, the cassettes are still worth buying just to have the obscure characters on my shelf. But Mugan Scope failed as far as quality in my book. Not a good start for their first non cassette figure. And definitely not encouraging to make me want to spend $200 for anything bearing the KFC name.

List of problems:

Evil Rhinohorn - came missing his horn (exchanged by BBTS)

Justice Ironpaw/Nightstalker - Cannons on blasters are extremely hard to get out. I had to pry them out with a screwdriver. The problem was fixed on Retro Ironpaw.

Birdbomber/SG Birdbomber - Guns wont fit on birds back unless you are willing to force them. I cut my finger open trying and gave up.

Flaptrap - floppy left wing (exchanged by BBTS)

Jetdancer - floppy left wing (exchanged by BBTS)

Slamtank - cracked screw that holds chrome cannon on turret. Didn't notice this until I tried to combine him with my new Jetdancer for the first time (waiting for resolution from BBTS)

Mugan Scope - Ball joint that holds scope to figures back cracked off. Right fist ball joint is loose and flops when holding rifle. Neck flip is scary tight, cant put head inside chest to transform. (exchanged by BBTS)

Mugan Scope (exchange) - Right fist ball joint is loose again, must be mold issue. Neck flip is still scary tight. Tried to flip it in and it misaligned like if one hinge snapped. (waiting for resolution from BBTS)

Take all this into consideration and ask yourself, would you still spend $200 KFC's first attempt at an MP figure ? I could deal with a $40 flop, but not a $200 dollar flop. Even if this Ultra Magnus was the classics scale I wanted, I would be scared to buy it because it is made by KFC. I would highly advise everyone to let Tsutsukakushi take one for the team and report back here with a review on it's quality before committing to buying.

Rated X wrote: Haven't you realized by now that "reviewers" are guys that get the figures for free in exchange for doing hype videos on youtube ??? When the review starts with a BBTS or TFsource caption, you know you are about to watch a glorified commercial.

I would highly advise everyone to let Tsutsukakushi take one for the team and report back here with a review on it's quality before committing to buying.

Chimungmung is getting KFC UM in stock on april 10th. USA based import sites will get this Two weeks afterwards. By the time I get this toy,Their will be more than Ten Youtube video reviews of this toy.

I & some are waiting for those youtube videos on this toy. While you don't trust them,not everyone feels this way. These videoes will decide whether some here buy this toy or not.

I have only been here for a few months. I don't do youtube videoes. I have not built up any reputation here for reviewing toys. I doubt my typed up review will be any deciding factor for some deciding to buy or not.

Rated X wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Rated X wrote:You've been warned about the quality of KFC products from someone who owns every mold they have put out to date.

I'm not picking a side or anything, this is just out of curiosity. If KFC's stuff is so bad, why do you own every mold they put out so far? I would think after probably the 3rd broken product at the most it would make sense to stop buying their stuff.

Until Mugan scope came out KFC was just making cassettes. Theyre not that expensive so even if the quality is crap, the cassettes are still worth buying just to have the obscure characters on my shelf. But Mugan Scope failed as far as quality in my book. Not a good start for their first non cassette figure. And definitely not encouraging to make me want to spend $200 for anything bearing the KFC name.

List of problems:

Evil Rhinohorn - came missing his horn (exchanged by BBTS)

Justice Ironpaw/Nightstalker - Cannons on blasters are extremely hard to get out. I had to pry them out with a screwdriver. The problem was fixed on Retro Ironpaw.

Birdbomber/SG Birdbomber - Guns wont fit on birds back unless you are willing to force them. I cut my finger open trying and gave up.

Flaptrap - floppy left wing (exchanged by BBTS)

Jetdancer - floppy left wing (exchanged by BBTS)

Slamtank - cracked screw that holds chrome cannon on turret. Didn't notice this until I tried to combine him with my new Jetdancer for the first time (waiting for resolution from BBTS)

Mugan Scope - Ball joint that holds scope to figures back cracked off. Right fist ball joint is loose and flops when holding rifle. Neck flip is scary tight, cant put head inside chest to transform. (exchanged by BBTS)

Mugan Scope (exchange) - Right fist ball joint is loose again, must be mold issue. Neck flip is still scary tight. Tried to flip it in and it misaligned like if one hinge snapped. (waiting for resolution from BBTS)

Holy ****, that's a lot of problems for 1 company. How are they still in business? They must have sold a lot of stuff to people who were willing to get past the problems. Also, if BBTS and other places have to replace so many products, why do they still carry the company's stuff?

As for this new figure, to me it still looks good (in robot mode, anyway) and I will probably get it, but I may take your advice and hold off initially to see if there are complaints, and if they're serious. Personally, I think MP-10 is inferior to MP-01 in robot mode (it looks better in truck mode, I admit) and this KFC Magnus would probably looks good with MP-01, considering how much taller he is than MP-10. Also, I am curious about the official MP Magnus, as it is labeled "Perfect Edition" as someone else has pointed out. Looks like he won't be out until next year, though, and by then all this with KFC's Magnus will be resolved. The figure will either turn out to be a quality success or a fail, and in the case of the latter, they will either fix the problems or they won't. Also, I would like to retract my previous statement regarding the front of the truck. It doesn't need that grill guard, it would look better without it. Maybe it's necessary for the transformation?

I only have 2 KFC products. I got both combining cassette sets in their standard G1 color schemes (Squawkbox and Slamdance). Squawkbox has some loose bits, but he's OK in combined mode and the guns are scary tight as others mentioned when plugging them into Squawktalk, but as long as you align them correctly with the ridges, they will go in with force and patience.

My Slamdance is another story. I actually had to chop some plastic off of the peg for his primary cannon to be able to plug into his back/tank mode. That really sucks because it's chromed/vacu-metallized meaning that now that the seal of the chrome has been broken at one point, the air and moisture will slowly start entering between the chrome and the plastic until it starts to flake off completely (I know from years of experience with Transmetal Beast Wars figures which use the exact same chroming technique) and once the tiniest crack, cut or break is made in the chrome, it's only a matter of time before it starts the peeling process (which incidentally can also happen on its own if the seal isn't sufficient from the factory and there's any air bubbles beneath it). One of his combined mode robot arms is also incredibly floppy.

Both sets of cassettes feel like cheap straight up KOs of even lower quality than most of my CHMS Seekers (and I have just about every CHMS Seeker that was produced, at least all of the ones that used unofficial color schemes like the Rainmakers, purple clones and other oddballs like the hot pink one).

That said, if the images being shown of KFC's Magnus are of an actual production copy of the figure, it does not appear to be made of the cheap plastics used in their other figures and I don't see any parts which appear to suffer from any alignment issues, but I suppose only time and people getting the figure in hand will tell the tale.

As others have said though, I wouldn't gamble on it at this point knowing this company's history (and no, I don't expect them to be around much longer unless this Magnus is a homerun and all future releases are of equivalent or superior quality as I think the retailers will start to drop them if they continue to have such a bad rep and high return/exchange rate as they seem to), especially knowing that Takara's MP is right around the corner (it's due in August and if there are any delays, it will probably be only a month or so as has been par for the course with previous MP figures which had delays).

xyl360 wrote: That said, if the images being shown of KFC's Magnus are of an actual production copy of the figure, it does not appear to be made of the cheap plastics used in their other figures and I don't see any parts which appear to suffer from any alignment issues,

Exactly all of this in a nutshell.

Not a fan of "KFC" on the licence plate, looks like he's advertising chicken!

leakin' lubricant wrote:Not a fan of "KFC" on the licence plate, looks like he's advertising chicken!

the bot inside the armour wasn't a white Prime, it was Col. Sanders Prime!

Rated X wrote:Haven't you realized by now that "reviewers" are guys that get the figures for free in exchange for doing hype videos on youtube ??? When the review starts with a BBTS or TFsource caption, you know you are about to watch a glorified commercial. I'm just giving you honest facts from my experiences with KFC quality control issues. You can take it and roll with it, or you could go spend $200 and play a game of Russian roulette with KFC. Spin the barrel, buddy. I will laugh if you come on here b**tching next month about the quality of KFC.

Glad someone else sees this as well! Of all the KFC products that reviewers received early who told you to avoid it? NOONE. Everyone just tells you if there's an issue they'll fix it in the final production run. How about KFC's Perceptor? Everyone is just making excuses for it's horrible alt mode and bad build quailty saying KFC will fix it.

I for one value opinions of my peers rather than any reviewer that is backed by the company they're "reviewing"

xyl360 wrote:As others have said though, I wouldn't gamble on it at this point knowing this company's history (and no, I don't expect them to be around much longer unless this Magnus is a homerun and all future releases are of equivalent or superior quality as I think the retailers will start to drop them if they continue to have such a bad rep and high return/exchange rate as they seem to), especially knowing that Takara's MP is right around the corner (it's due in August and if there are any delays, it will probably be only a month or so as has been par for the course with previous MP figures which had delays).

I wouldn't count on this. MP-20 Wheeljack is due in August, and MP-21 Bumblebee is due in November. I doubt we get MP-22 Ultra Magnus before December 2014. Actually, early 2015 is more likely. That August date is just what retailers put up when rumors were flying around; it's not official. Once we get the official announcement with prototype images, we'll get a more realistic date.

megatronus wrote:

xyl360 wrote:As others have said though, I wouldn't gamble on it at this point knowing this company's history (and no, I don't expect them to be around much longer unless this Magnus is a homerun and all future releases are of equivalent or superior quality as I think the retailers will start to drop them if they continue to have such a bad rep and high return/exchange rate as they seem to), especially knowing that Takara's MP is right around the corner (it's due in August and if there are any delays, it will probably be only a month or so as has been par for the course with previous MP figures which had delays).

I wouldn't count on this. MP-20 Wheeljack is due in August, and MP-21 Bumblebee is due in November. I doubt we get MP-22 Ultra Magnus before December 2014. Actually, early 2015 is more likely. That August date is just what retailers put up when rumors were flying around; it's not official. Once we get the official announcement with prototype images, we'll get a more realistic date.

Ah, I see, my mistake. I thought Wheeljack was due way sooner than that (like June or something). You're probably right.

Still, patience is a virtue, particularly when it comes to dropping $200~$300 or not.

xyl360 wrote:

megatronus wrote:

xyl360 wrote:As others have said though, I wouldn't gamble on it at this point knowing this company's history (and no, I don't expect them to be around much longer unless this Magnus is a homerun and all future releases are of equivalent or superior quality as I think the retailers will start to drop them if they continue to have such a bad rep and high return/exchange rate as they seem to), especially knowing that Takara's MP is right around the corner (it's due in August and if there are any delays, it will probably be only a month or so as has been par for the course with previous MP figures which had delays).

I wouldn't count on this. MP-20 Wheeljack is due in August, and MP-21 Bumblebee is due in November. I doubt we get MP-22 Ultra Magnus before December 2014. Actually, early 2015 is more likely. That August date is just what retailers put up when rumors were flying around; it's not official. Once we get the official announcement with prototype images, we'll get a more realistic date.

Ah, I see, my mistake. I thought Wheeljack was due way sooner than that (like June or something). You're probably right.

Still, patience is a virtue, particularly when it comes to dropping $200~$300 or not.

Yea - June & July are to MP-20 & MP-21 what August is to MP-22; they're the initial retailer estimates. Though on the upside, Takara is trying to hold us over with the special Bluestreak repaint due out in June!

Patience is certainly a virtue; I fully expect MP Magnus to be worth the wait.

I'm often disappointed by KFC as well. Too dry, never looks as good as the promo pics, sometimes the scale is slightly off and their drinks are always watered down.