The Energon Pub

Mutation by touch is a good idea, it just seems the dinobots turning into dinos may be out of place, and personally, they shouldn't be dino's.

How about the Destructions get the mutation when the Allspark fragment activates them (a side effect from Beller's tampering), mid battle, they mutate and combine, and shoot a blast that hits Magnus and Shockwave who were in hand to hand fighting. This gun then gets destroyed before it can shoot again. That way, Magnus and Shockwave can still combine with their leaders, and Grimlock's crew don't need to mutate.

Insurgent wrote:Mutation by touch is a good idea, it just seems the dinobots turning into dinos may be out of place, and personally, they shouldn't be dino's.

How about the Destructions get the mutation when the Allspark fragment activates them (a side effect from Beller's tampering), mid battle, they mutate and combine, and shoot a blast that hits Magnus and Shockwave who were in hand to hand fighting. This gun then gets destroyed before it can shoot again. That way, Magnus and Shockwave can still combine with their leaders, and Grimlock's crew don't need to mutate.

I'm a fan of it.

Genius, just sheer genius. I like it, and it keeps Grimlock and crew 'normal' for all the whiners out there.

I have made a small update.

Now the "Dinobots" (aka the Wreckers) no longer touch the mutated gestalt, and therefore do not mutate into dinos.

People seemed bothered by them being turned into dinos. I'm fine with either way myself.


Shockwave still touches him though.

Now the order is:

Destructicons get zapped with Josie Beller's ray and get wierd sparks all around them.
They touch each other in battle and combine into a gestalt.
Magnus touches the gestalt. Gets the sparks all around him.
Shockwave touches Magnus, get's sparks all around him.
Shockwave touches Megatron and they combine into Gigatron. (Galvatron?)

Later in part 3, Magnus will touch Prime and they combine into Omega Prime.

So it seems that even touching the combined result will trigger the mutation in you, with the next guy you touch. Maybe, after you combine with someone, the effect wears off after a while, and then you can touch people with no consequences?


What do people think of this? I love it myself. Nice little explanation for gestalts. Adds a new element to the mix, rather than just having them able to do it from the start.


If we don't have the "Dinobots" (Wreckers) turn into dinosaurs, should they therefore have somewhat "dinosoid" robot modes, since the TF's look so alien anyway?

Huh. My post about the posting of tf3 has gone. Well, if anyone missed it, it's in my sig. Feel free to pilfer any ideas you like.

I like that idea about the sparks. How about:

The Destructicons regroup during a battle, Beller shoots them with her cannon (first time it's been used) but it overloads and blows up. The group gets hit, and they sort of help each other to stand up at the same time, which is how they all combine. The combiner then kicks Magnus which is how he gets infected. But if Magnus then touches Shockwave, why don't they combine together? Split personality? Or does it only allow you to combine with those of your own faction due to incompatible technology with the other faction?

How about....

Beggins with primes voice. Somting about time gone by, bla bla bla

Then shows Two planets. one has horns. now who coulde that be? and ones cybertron

Lots of metiorites fall most bashing into others (These are really cybertron escape pods containing
AUTOBOTS:
Magnus
Dino bots
Omega supreme(not in pod, contains defender bots, ariel bots)
Tracks
Blaster
Preceptor
Wheeljack
Hot rod
Kup
Sideswipe
Sunstreaker
Hot Shot
Vecta segma( AKA Alpha Trion)
and Victor Prime
and Arcee
and a new one call WipeOut
cassets
DECEPTOCONS:
Cons:
Constructa
Combata
Terra
Preda
Stunta
Others:
Tidal wave
Reflecor
Nightbird(Not a TF, just a Decepticon Ninja bot)
Lazerbeak+other cassetcons.

And they crash on earth and its all over the news
And sam says the Bots should check them out.
but the new bots only find Blackout and Baracade
But wipeout lives up to his name and destroyes them.
Then magnus sees prime and decieds they need new alt modes.
Grimlock dissagreese at first, but then he sees a film sign with a set of dinos on it "Me grimlock say sweet"
5days later

Starscreem hits megatron on the back. "For once your plan might work"

On the news the repoter says.
"We have a new space station!" AKA omega supriem

Ultra magnus is told to speek to omega, but his transforming powers are not working

Police sent to investigate the huge robot downtown
Aka police defender bots and baracade... more to come, if I have time

Are you setting up your own continuity here? Because most of those guys are already dead.

Some interesting ideas, just need to flesh them out a bit more.

SKYBLADEPRIME1 wrote:How about....

Beggins with primes voice. Somting about time gone by, bla bla bla

Then shows Two planets. one has horns. now who coulde that be? and ones cybertron

Lots of metiorites fall most bashing into others (These are really cybertron escape pods containing
AUTOBOTS:
Magnus
Dino bots
Omega supreme(not in pod, contains defender bots, ariel bots)
Tracks
Blaster
Preceptor
Wheeljack
Hot rod
Kup
Sideswipe
Sunstreaker
Hot Shot
Vecta segma( AKA Alpha Trion)
and Victor Prime
and Arcee
and a new one call WipeOut
cassets
DECEPTOCONS:
Cons:
Constructa
Combata
Terra
Preda
Stunta
Others:
Tidal wave
Reflecor
Nightbird(Not a TF, just a Decepticon Ninja bot)
Lazerbeak+other cassetcons.

And they crash on earth and its all over the news
And sam says the Bots should check them out.
but the new bots only find Blackout and Baracade
But wipeout lives up to his name and destroyes them.
Then magnus sees prime and decieds they need new alt modes.
Grimlock dissagreese at first, but then he sees a film sign with a set of dinos on it "Me grimlock say sweet"
5days later

Starscreem hits megatron on the back. "For once your plan might work"

On the news the repoter says.
"We have a new space station!" AKA omega supriem

Ultra magnus is told to speek to omega, but his transforming powers are not working

Police sent to investigate the huge robot downtown
Aka police defender bots and baracade... more to come, if I have time

We shouldn't have that many. Less is more. Why all the combiner teams? Like I said, less is more. We should concentrate on specific characters, and avoid just bringing the G1 cartoon to life. This is something new.

Did you read my treatment? What do you think of the whole mutation as an explanation for the gestalts? Would you rather have a specific combiner team with an intentional gestalt character, not an accident like I have? If so, why?


I like the Omega Supreme space station idea though. Don't know what you mean by the news reporters saying they have it. Are you saying NASA and the Autobots are cooperating, and Omega Supreme is graciously providing his services?

I'd be more a fan of an Autobot only station, perhaps cloaked from humanity entirely in some way.

Insurgent wrote:But if Magnus then touches Shockwave, why don't they combine together? Split personality? Or does it only allow you to combine with those of your own faction due to incompatible technology with the other faction?

Oops. You're right. Why don't Shockwave and Magnus combine? I mean, if Shockwave and Megatron combine... Megatron and Shockwave couldn't have further apart personalities.

Factions shouldn't matter. If it did, it would be too complicated. It should be kept simple.

If we are going to do this mutation thing, then I think there needs to be some kind of a ray or blast after all, some simple way of determining who is merely infected and who actually merges with who.

THAT IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!

So it's going through blast ray eh?

How about Beller blasts the Destructicons in one shot, she then hits Shockwave and Megatron in one shot, then Magnus and Prime in one shot, then her weapon gets destroyed. The mutation does not trigger straight away and the people who were hit in the same blast combine with each other. It keeps things simple. Although combining Magnus and Shockwave in a single, split personality body, could be interesting.

How about calling Beller's weapon 'The Circuit Breaker'?

Just had a thought! The weapon destroys most of a spark, and the radiation that destroys it forces it to join with the nearest spark with the same radiation in order to survive. That's why the mutation gets triggered. Any good?

Rushie wrote:

Dark Zarak wrote:I thought people hated flame Prime and all that.

My guess is people have accepted the new Prime at this point and it would be really weird to have everything shift more towards the familiar old designs in the sequel. The movie franchise has established its own identity and style and should continue doing so, IMO.

Why would Prime need a trailer? He never used it in the cartoons and it just disappeared during his transformation.

Actualy prime dose use his trailer in one episode when megatron made the autobots evil by sabotaging the recarge cages, and prime uses his trailerbase to try and stop BumbleBee

UPDATE:
Mabey magnus will be infected, when he talks to Omega they both get infected, magnus and prime merge, when Omega tries to help ultra prime, he destroys the ray, but the blast sends him into ultra prime. but omagas infected so they merge into Ultra Prime Suprieme mode, with a rocket built into his back and a Tank built in one sholder? Yes or No?

Oh Dark zarak i'll think about autobot only space station

Insurgent wrote:So it's going through blast ray eh?

How about Beller blasts the Destructicons in one shot, she then hits Shockwave and Megatron in one shot, then Magnus and Prime in one shot, then her weapon gets destroyed. The mutation does not trigger straight away and the people who were hit in the same blast combine with each other. It keeps things simple. Although combining Magnus and Shockwave in a single, split personality body, could be interesting.

I like it for the most part, but it requires Beller to be on the aircraft carrier when Megatron appears, otherwise both he and Shockwave have to fly back to the desert before they combine, which could work, but I'm thinking it's too much.

As for Magnus and Prime in one shot, that could be easily doable since it would have to be in part 3, so the circumstances are still way up in the air.

I don't know about Magnus and Shockwave in the same body. Kind of complicated, though maybe not.

Insurgent wrote:How about calling Beller's weapon 'The Circuit Breaker'?

I'm thinking a big yes.

I'm also thinking that the combinations are of course side effects, and what she really intended to do was something completely different with the weapon. Like kill them. Or something along those lines.

Insurgent wrote:Just had a thought! The weapon destroys most of a spark, and the radiation that destroys it forces it to join with the nearest spark with the same radiation in order to survive. That's why the mutation gets triggered. Any good?

I like it.

SKYBLADEPRIME1 wrote:Mabey magnus will be infected, when he talks to Omega they both get infected, magnus and prime merge, when Omega tries to help ultra prime, he destroys the ray, but the blast sends him into ultra prime. but omagas infected so they merge into Ultra Prime Suprieme mode, with a rocket built into his back and a Tank built in one sholder? Yes or No?

Uh, I didn't really follow that one. How could Magnus talk to Omega when Omega is the combination of Prime and Magnus (at least so far)? Who's Ultra Prime?

The characters in question are Ultra Magnus, Optimus Prime, and Omega Prime being the combination thereof. Nemesis Prime is also an option, as a separate character or Prime's evil form that gets "cured" by Magnus when they become Omega Prime, or in a different circumstance.

some good new characters would include
cheetor(techno organic cheetah)(bumblebees old freind)
rhinox(techno organic rhino)(rachets twin bro. cheetors mentor)
sideways(black motorbike)(decepticon who is secretly an autobot)
shockwave(weird looking stelth jet)(megatrons most loyal follower)
goldbug(goldish painted SUV)(bumblebee in a new SUV form)
sideswipe(red lambo)(jazz revived)
apelinq(techno organic gorrila)(leader of the wreckers(cheetor, rihnox,snarl grimlock ect.))
grimlock(techno organic trex)(wrecker demosishion expert)
snarl(techno organic lion)(wreckers recconasince expert)
commander starscream (beefed up fighterjet)(a bigger, badder starscream)
rappidrun(yellow and black motorbike)(arcees brother)
arcee(pink motorbike)(goldbugs GF)
gigatron(megatrons true form)
blugeon(weird tank thing)(decepticon reveiled at the end of the movie as unicrons minion by conntacting unicron)
seekers(starscreams soldiers)(thrust, dirge, ramjet)
sentinal prime(shown in one of optimus's flashbacks passing on the matrix of leadership to a yong optimus, orion pax)
wreck gar(red motorbike)(rachet in a new form)

I liked some of it, there were a couple things I disliked.

The inclusion of Arcee, Soundwave killing Barricade, Shockwave fusing with Megatron???, Jazz being more destroyed rather then revived, and Optimus being ripped in half.

I liked Sideswipe and Sunstreaker being included, and the bringing Berger into it was also a good idea, I also liked the idea of Soundwave being powerful.

Dark Zarak wrote:

Insurgent wrote:How about calling Beller's weapon 'The Circuit Breaker'?

I'm thinking a big yes.

I'm also thinking that the combinations are of course side effects, and what she really intended to do was something completely different with the weapon. Like kill them. Or something along those lines.

Yes, the original intention of the weapon was to utilise some form of radiation that would subdue the spark, erasing it from existance, leaving a lifeless robot body to examine and utilise for humanities gain. But the weapon doesn't quite work fully, and instead only destroys most of a spark. The side effect is the radiation makes the damaged spark reach out and join with the nearest spark with the same radiation. And only those with the radiation have the 'joining' quality.

But then Megatron would also need to be hit with the weapon. This needs a little more thought, but I'm certain it can be done.

Predacon Rampage wrote:I liked some of it, there were a couple things I disliked.

The inclusion of Arcee, Soundwave killing Barricade, Shockwave fusing with Megatron???, Jazz being more destroyed rather then revived, and Optimus being ripped in half.

I liked Sideswipe and Sunstreaker being included, and the bringing Berger into it was also a good idea, I also liked the idea of Soundwave being powerful.

Arcee is in there because I found a way to make her work. She's not just a stupid token female. Her purpose in the story is to create a way to translate Decepticon speech for human ears, which I admit could be several characters, but people seem to want Arcee, and I found a way to make "her" work.

Well, there has been both debate on the whole Shockwave merging thing, and plot wrinkles to iron out even among people who like the idea. I'm starting to change my mind. See the end of this post.

Soundwave killing Barricade was done for a buddy of mine. If people don't like it, we can change it. However, his use as a character is over. It's time to bring in different people.


What do you suggest instead of those things? Nothing is actually set in stone, even though it may seem like it after all this time.

thunderwave wrote:some good new characters would include
cheetor(techno organic cheetah)(bumblebees old freind)
rhinox(techno organic rhino)(rachets twin bro. cheetors mentor)
apelinq(techno organic gorrila)(leader of the wreckers(cheetor, rihnox,snarl grimlock ect.))

Do we really want animals?

I like the idea of Grimlock being the demolitions expert though. And why not Ultra Magnus as Wrecker leader?.

sideways(black motorbike)(decepticon who is secretly an autobot)

I like the idea of bringing in Sideways since he was a big character in Armada, but how about he's a double agent instead and is playing both sides? We already have Skyfire as the Decepticon who all out changes sides.

shockwave(weird looking stelth jet)(megatrons most loyal follower)

No. Please no. I'm totally open to people's ideas, except this one. If the entire thing ends up going in a completely different direction than what I have now, I ask only to retain this one idea:

Shockwave wants to be the Decepticon leader. He doesn't hate Megatron, he just considers him unfit to lead. Obviously you haven't read the G1 comics. Cartoon Shockwave has nothing on comics Shockwave, except the cool voice, which I imagine comics Shockwave has as well. And in this version too.

goldbug(goldish painted SUV)(bumblebee in a new SUV form)

Well, I like the idea of Goldbug, but how is Goldbug an SUV? At least a camero is still a car.

arcee(pink motorbike)(goldbugs GF)

Why not black? Do really need pink because she's a girl?

And is "she" really a girl? After all, they don't actually have sexes, they just identify with certain personality types. Now there's no reason she and Bumblebee can't be close friends, but a TF romance? I don't know...

blugeon(weird tank thing)(decepticon reveiled at the end of the movie as unicrons minion by conntacting unicron)

Well, I have Soundwave and Gigatron contacting some unknown but powerful force at the end.

sentinal prime(shown in one of optimus's flashbacks passing on the matrix of leadership to a yong optimus, orion pax)

Well, there's no Matrix of Leadership. That was the Allspark in the early drafts.

wreck gar(red motorbike)(rachet in a new form)

Why does Ratchet have to change?

Insurgent wrote:But then Megatron would also need to be hit with the weapon. This needs a little more thought, but I'm certain it can be done.

Well, here's a nice little curveball:

Maybe we should wait until 3 for the merging of Megatron? We really only saw a smidgeon of Megatron in part 1. Maybe he could be just himself for a little while longer, and then merge in 3.

Let's say he thinks he kills Shockwave, but Shockwave actually survives and comes back later. That way we can have more Shockwave action. There are now two complaints about him being killed off. Maybe we should keep him around a little longer.

And that way, Megatron can merge with somebody else to become Giga(Galva)tron. Maybe Bludgeon? Or a new Con for 3?

More Shockwave time works for me. And more time with the brute force and open destructivness of this Megatron.

Perhaps have him merging with Galvatron, since Gigatron is kind of a merging of the two names anyway. Well, if you squint it is. But if the merging is a side effect of the weapon, then Megatron and Galvatron (or whoever he merges with) need to be hit with it, unless we go back to some other method of triggering the mutation. Perhaps those two can fight the combined devastator, but he rips out parts of their spark with his own hands, thus leaving a radiation imprint on them, triggering a delayed merging in tf3 or at the very end of 2. But that means whoever megs merges with needs to be introduced in tf2. This is getting a little tricky.

Dark Zarak wrote:

Predacon Rampage wrote:I liked some of it, there were a couple things I disliked.

The inclusion of Arcee, Soundwave killing Barricade, Shockwave fusing with Megatron???, Jazz being more destroyed rather then revived, and Optimus being ripped in half.

I liked Sideswipe and Sunstreaker being included, and the bringing Berger into it was also a good idea, I also liked the idea of Soundwave being powerful.

Arcee is in there because I found a way to make her work. She's not just a stupid token female. Her purpose in the story is to create a way to translate Decepticon speech for human ears, which I admit could be several characters, but people seem to want Arcee, and I found a way to make "her" work.

Well, there has been both debate on the whole Shockwave merging thing, and plot wrinkles to iron out even among people who like the idea. I'm starting to change my mind. See the end of this post.

Soundwave killing Barricade was done for a buddy of mine. If people don't like it, we can change it. However, his use as a character is over. It's time to bring in different people.


What do you suggest instead of those things? Nothing is actually set in stone, even though it may seem like it after all this time.

thunderwave wrote:some good new characters would include
cheetor(techno organic cheetah)(bumblebees old freind)
rhinox(techno organic rhino)(rachets twin bro. cheetors mentor)
apelinq(techno organic gorrila)(leader of the wreckers(cheetor, rihnox,snarl grimlock ect.))

Do we really want animals?

I like the idea of Grimlock being the demolitions expert though. And why not Ultra Magnus as Wrecker leader?.

sideways(black motorbike)(decepticon who is secretly an autobot)

I like the idea of bringing in Sideways since he was a big character in Armada, but how about he's a double agent instead and is playing both sides? We already have Skyfire as the Decepticon who all out changes sides.

shockwave(weird looking stelth jet)(megatrons most loyal follower)

No. Please no. I'm totally open to people's ideas, except this one. If the entire thing ends up going in a completely different direction than what I have now, I ask only to retain this one idea:

Shockwave wants to be the Decepticon leader. He doesn't hate Megatron, he just considers him unfit to lead. Obviously you haven't read the G1 comics. Cartoon Shockwave has nothing on comics Shockwave, except the cool voice, which I imagine comics Shockwave has as well. And in this version too.

goldbug(goldish painted SUV)(bumblebee in a new SUV form)

Well, I like the idea of Goldbug, but how is Goldbug an SUV? At least a camero is still a car.

arcee(pink motorbike)(goldbugs GF)

Why not black? Do really need pink because she's a girl?

And is "she" really a girl? After all, they don't actually have sexes, they just identify with certain personality types. Now there's no reason she and Bumblebee can't be close friends, but a TF romance? I don't know...

blugeon(weird tank thing)(decepticon reveiled at the end of the movie as unicrons minion by conntacting unicron)

Well, I have Soundwave and Gigatron contacting some unknown but powerful force at the end.

sentinal prime(shown in one of optimus's flashbacks passing on the matrix of leadership to a yong optimus, orion pax)

Well, there's no Matrix of Leadership. That was the Allspark in the early drafts.

wreck gar(red motorbike)(rachet in a new form)

Why does Ratchet have to change?

Insurgent wrote:But then Megatron would also need to be hit with the weapon. This needs a little more thought, but I'm certain it can be done.

Well, here's a nice little curveball:

Maybe we should wait until 3 for the merging of Megatron? We really only saw a smidgeon of Megatron in part 1. Maybe he could be just himself for a little while longer, and then merge in 3.

Let's say he thinks he kills Shockwave, but Shockwave actually survives and comes back later. That way we can have more Shockwave action. There are now two complaints about him being killed off. Maybe we should keep him around a little longer.

And that way, Megatron can merge with somebody else to become Giga(Galva)tron. Maybe Bludgeon? Or a new Con for 3?

well i meant a whole new story. im sorry i have to dissagree with u but it can't be all about g1 characters all the time. i just think brining wreck-gar cheetor ect. would be healthy for the fan community and the toys to them would introduce old forgotten characters to a new generation. besides, who doesn't like cheetor? and for ur why not ultra magnus wrecker leader, well i think apelinq should be more appreciated rather than ulta magnus. and for arcee being black rather than pink, read the thread top 10 cliches than should not be in tf 2 and 3. i mean seriosly, we don't need anymore "bad girl" sterio types. and the reason for ratchet and bumblebee being in new forms is that hasbro needs new toy molds because can't make much more money on the same mold for 2 or 3 movies. and if i recall the old G1 cartoon, shockwave respected megatron greatly. and if sentinal prime isn't in the plot, there could still be a toy describing him as the leader before optimus in his tech profile and can have a chest opening gimmeck reveiling the matrix (if not the matrix his spark crystal).

First off, I'm well aware of Shockwave's loyalty in the cartoon. And I'm saying, in the old comics, Shockwave had a much better personality. I really want to use the comics Shockwave, which also has the tech spec to match. The cartoon simplified a lot of things, made them less exciting than the actual character bios.

Just because Arcee is a black motorcycle doesn't make her a "bad girl". I say a pink motorcycle is even more cliche and stupid because pink is the girly color and therefore the first thing people think of.

You're right, that it shouldn't be about just G1 characters, or at least G1 character names. But I just see Beast Wars as way too out there. It was kind of a gimmick to begin with and it's needlessly complicated.

There was Scorponok in the first movie, so the possibility is there, but you have to realize that he was just a "weapon" that was deployed by Blackout, and not trying to blend in like the rest of them. Maybe the Autobots could do the same thing. But it would have to be kept to a minimum, kept to a few action scenes. I'm not so sure about a bunch of animal characters.

And I'm sorry, but I've never even heard of Apelinq. I think I recognize the name, but what was he? An expanded universe character? A Botcon exclusive? Beast Wars or Beast Machines? I just don't see that being more recognizable than a classic like Magnus.


But you bring up a valid point. A whole new story. I feel pretty good and pretty entrenched in this one, but that's me.

What do people think? Should we think about other directions for this thing?

Dark Zarak wrote:First off, I'm well aware of Shockwave's loyalty in the cartoon. And I'm saying, in the old comics, Shockwave had a much better personality. I really want to use the comics Shockwave, which also has the tech spec to match. The cartoon simplified a lot of things, made them less exciting than the actual character bios.

Just because Arcee is a black motorcycle doesn't make her a "bad girl". I say a pink motorcycle is even more cliche and stupid because pink is the girly color and therefore the first thing people think of.

You're right, that it shouldn't be about just G1 characters, or at least G1 character names. But I just see Beast Wars as way too out there. It was kind of a gimmick to begin with and it's needlessly complicated.

There was Scorponok in the first movie, so the possibility is there, but you have to realize that he was just a "weapon" that was deployed by Blackout, and not trying to blend in like the rest of them. Maybe the Autobots could do the same thing. But it would have to be kept to a minimum, kept to a few action scenes. I'm not so sure about a bunch of animal characters.

And I'm sorry, but I've never even heard of Apelinq. I think I recognize the name, but what was he? An expanded universe character? A Botcon exclusive? Beast Wars or Beast Machines? I just don't see that being more recognizable than a classic like Magnus.


But you bring up a valid point. A whole new story. I feel pretty good and pretty entrenched in this one, but that's me.

What do people think? Should we think about other directions for this thing?

apelinq was a botcon excusive repaint of transmetal optimus primal and was part of the beast machines/wreckers story. and i think a black arcee would influence that stereo type and arcee has been pink for over 20 years. and about apelinqs popluarity, blackout and berricade were in the movie and nobody ever heard of them. and i was thinking of a simplified cheetor and rhinox instead of taking them directly from beast wars, i was thinking cheetor could be bumblebees old freind and rhinox could be his mentor (as well as rachets bro.).
i was thinking this movie trilogy could be more non-G1 junky freindly. i am also planning a youtube stopmotion saga called transformers:evolution X. it is the classic autobots coming to earth to defeat the decepticons story with a twist! in addition to more humor the cast of beast wars come thru a time-space warp to the past so u have prime and primal, waspinator and starscream,cheetor and bumblebee ect.

i think u make too much of a big deal out of prime's trailer (lol). cheetor might "grow up" during the storyline. and GIGATRON??? LOL!!!!!!!

thunderwave wrote: apelinq was a botcon excusive repaint of transmetal optimus primal and was part of the beast machines/wreckers story.

That's what I thought. Unless more people complain, I'm gonna bet Magnus would be way more known to fans and non fans then a botcon repaint.

Now maybe the character is cool, and could be used somehow, but not in lieu of someone like Magnus.

thunderwave wrote:and i think a black arcee would influence that stereo type and arcee has been pink for over 20 years.

A character stereotype would be influenced by the way the character acts more than anything else. I have no intention of creating a bad girl Arcee, because that's not her character. Maybe she can be red or something. Pink is a much worse stereotype.

nightbolt wrote:i think u make too much of a big deal out of prime's trailer (lol). cheetor might "grow up" during the storyline. and GIGATRON??? LOL!!!!!!!

What's wrong with Gigatron? That's his name in Car Robots. Besides, that part is going to be changed.

Dark Zarak wrote:

Insurgent wrote:So it's going through blast ray eh?

How about Beller blasts the Destructicons in one shot, she then hits Shockwave and Megatron in one shot, then Magnus and Prime in one shot, then her weapon gets destroyed. The mutation does not trigger straight away and the people who were hit in the same blast combine with each other. It keeps things simple. Although combining Magnus and Shockwave in a single, split personality body, could be interesting.

I like it for the most part, but it requires Beller to be on the aircraft carrier when Megatron appears, otherwise both he and Shockwave have to fly back to the desert before they combine, which could work, but I'm thinking it's too much.

As for Magnus and Prime in one shot, that could be easily doable since it would have to be in part 3, so the circumstances are still way up in the air.

I don't know about Magnus and Shockwave in the same body. Kind of complicated, though maybe not.

Insurgent wrote:How about calling Beller's weapon 'The Circuit Breaker'?

I'm thinking a big yes.

I'm also thinking that the combinations are of course side effects, and what she really intended to do was something completely different with the weapon. Like kill them. Or something along those lines.

Insurgent wrote:Just had a thought! The weapon destroys most of a spark, and the radiation that destroys it forces it to join with the nearest spark with the same radiation in order to survive. That's why the mutation gets triggered. Any good?

I like it.

SKYBLADEPRIME1 wrote:Mabey magnus will be infected, when he talks to Omega they both get infected, magnus and prime merge, when Omega tries to help ultra prime, he destroys the ray, but the blast sends him into ultra prime. but omagas infected so they merge into Ultra Prime Suprieme mode, with a rocket built into his back and a Tank built in one sholder? Yes or No?

Uh, I didn't really follow that one. How could Magnus talk to Omega when Omega is the combination of Prime and Magnus (at least so far)? Who's Ultra Prime?

The characters in question are Ultra Magnus, Optimus Prime, and Omega Prime being the combination thereof. Nemesis Prime is also an option, as a separate character or Prime's evil form that gets "cured" by Magnus when they become Omega Prime, or in a different circumstance.

When I said Omega I ment Omega supriem, And I thought Mangnus and Prime merged into UltraPrime. Sorry

SKYBLADEPRIME1 wrote:Mabey magnus will be infected, when he talks to Omega they both get infected, magnus and prime merge, when Omega tries to help ultra prime, he destroys the ray, but the blast sends him into ultra prime. but omagas infected so they merge into Ultra Prime Suprieme mode, with a rocket built into his back and a Tank built in one sholder? Yes or No?

When I said Omega I ment Omega supriem, And I thought Mangnus and Prime merged into UltraPrime. Sorry

So you're proposing that Magnus, Prime, and Omega Supreme merge?

I think that's too complicated, but that's me. What do other people think? I'll definitely use it if other people like it. Don't know if it will get revised out or changed somehow at some point, but the idea is on the table.

Three-way merge with Prime, Magnus, and Omega Supreme?

Movie begins with a parade ( Autobots day) like in the cartoons... Now humans know about Autobots( they saved us, we like them, blablabla...)President thanks Prime and the others (including some new caracters like Wheeljack, Mirage and Arcee)....
Meanwhile, Starscream flies back to a Decepticons base on planet Mars.... There, he finds Shockwave( he's the one that destroyed the Beagle Rover... in the first teaser...), Soundwave, Skywarp, Thundercracker, Constructicons, Astrotrain, Rumble, Ravage and others.... All in their cybertronian form since they never been to earth ...Ok, my idea about Mars and the Decepticons hideout makes sence simply cuz in the Bay's movies, CYBERTRON DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE!!!! So please people, stop talking about Starscream wanting to go back to Cybertron, it was "consume" by their war...remember the opening of the first movie.... Ok, with that said, Decepticons simply "colonize" other planets..like Mars.... So, Starsrceam says that Megatron is dead... Autobots killed him, decepticons were outnumbered, we need to go back and get revenge, blablabla...But he doesn't tell them about the piece of cube Prime kept cuz Strascream is a back stabber and wants the power to himself... They all believe him except Soundwave who is loyal to Megatron and who also knows that Starscream let Megatron died and that Prime kept the cube... Why, simply cuz Laserbeak witness the entire fight... Laserbeak was also on earth, spying for Soundwave who was looking for Megatron....
So Starscream leave Mars with Thundercracker and Skywarp... telling them they are going after the Autobots and Prime....They will look everywhere in the USA, and surrounding countries without finding Prime....
Soundwave, meanwhile tells the Constructicons that Bonecrusher died too and that Laserbeak knows where all the bodies are....And where the Autobots are too... So Soundwave, Scrapper and the Constructicons, Ravage, Rumble and Astrotrain decide to go on earth to retrieve all Decepticons body in the sea....Shockwave stays behind ( he's always been neutral and guardian of decepticons hideout)...
Soundwave and the other land in a military base near the sea with a construction site... get it... They then go after the bodies, Astrotrain carries them ( he's gonna be a aircraft carrier/space shuddle)... Astrotrain first drops the constructicons, Rumble, Ravage and Soundwave in the USA for them to attack the Autobots and get back the cube, then takes all the body back to Mars, for Shockwave to star working on them....
Constructicons and Soundwave attacks the Autobots!!! They merge in Devastator(with Bonecrusher missing) without his arm... They outnumbers Prime, beat him up and take the cube... Astrotrain then pick them up and takes them back to Mars....
There, they revive Megatron and the others... Devastator becomes Combatticons Brawl, Blackout combatticons Vortex, Barricade... Hum, let this one to them, Frenzy...well Frenzy and Bonecrusher.. Himself...the constructicons version.. They are now 6!!!!
Starscream and the others comes back...They are pissed!! He said he needs more guys,, he couldn't find Prime and the Autobots, blablabla.... Then, surprise, MEGATRON steps in!!! Starscream you fool.....blablabla, you betrayed me, I should kill you.... blablabla, you have one last chance.... Megatron basically tells all Decepticons to follow him to earth to take earth's energy ( we shall suck this planet earth dry!!!!) and destroy all autobots!!! They all go back to earth for the final battle.....
Meanwhile, Prime (knowing what Devastator can do) tells the Us goverment that the enemy took the cube and will regroup, that the attack will be fast and deadly, and that they have to reopen sector seven and to start working on the biggest moving thing that ever walk the face of their planet.... Wich of course..is Dinosaur.... So they create 3 Dinobots ( only 3 like in the cartoons, leave the 2 others for the third movie...)
Then the final battle in wich Prime and Megatron are seriously injured.... Prime dies and give the Matrix to..... and Megatron is betrayed once again by Starscream who throws him out of Astrotrain in space...like in the cartoons... This will set the tone for Unicron to ressurect him as GALVATRON in the final movie...

So, that's my plot and I think it's the best!!!! Simply cuz it kinda follows the cartoons and it will introduce Dinobots and Constructicons while leaving space for other robots in the 3rd movie....