The Energon Pub

When I said Under performing before I didn't mean that they said after it had come out they changed their mind I meant they Changed their mind during production because of the problems with the production... sorry I didn't put that in a very clear way before. I only noticed I'd not said what I meant to say in the way I meant to say it when I saw I'd been quoted.

Incidentally It now seems that Trank had a lot less to do with the success of & conception of Chronicle that it originally seemed and much of that was down to the script, and he even had to be helped out on that shoot too due to the same sort of issues with his personal conduct so I've been reading recently.

I also notice much to my amusement that Trank had a real Twitter account where he was rude to people, and someone else (possibly Fox?) had a fake account where someone claiming to be Trank was polite in his interactions.

Did Fox P.R. try to do damage control in advance because of his antics ?

The amusement here is that Fantastic Four might take place in the Same Universe as Chronicle and not X-Men.

Oh the other thing people might not immediately notice unless they read a lot of FF comics is Doom's character (what there is of it) owes as much to Annihilus as it does to Dr. Doom.

If they'd used both Doom and Annihilus and had both you could have had one defeated and the other brought back as a crazy guy to set up for a sequel - it might have worked a lot better that way perhaps.

Shadowman wrote:I seriously doubt that. I know plenty of people who don't read the comics who are psyches for the movie.

Lemme rephrase that. It's going to bomb because it's not child-friendly. I have a friend who's little(r) brother is 12, I just started him on the MCU, he loves them, as well as the Fox universe. However, as I had spoken highly of my favorite Marvel character, he was super excited about it, then I saw the trailer, and I had to inform him that he wouldn't be able to see the movie for a long time (he's not exactly very mature or knowledgeable). The perfect level of gore and language that'll be in this movie will be the death of it. Parents won't take their kids to see this movie, not one that has violence on a Kick Ass scale. So, Fox has lost a huge percentage of their viewing audience. Hell, my parents denied me being able to see it. Thankfully I'll be 18 by the time it comes out on DVD, so screw them.

Yes, but Kick-Ass generated enough revenue/reception to garner a sequel. So while I do agree that it won't be the kind of financial juggernaut that the mainstream MCU movies are, I don't think it'll be a slouch. There is certainly an audience for it, unlike with F4, which had almost literally no audience.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:Yes, but Kick-Ass generated enough revenue/reception to garner a sequel. So while I do agree that it won't be the kind of financial juggernaut that the mainstream MCU movies are, I don't think it'll be a slouch. There is certainly an audience for it, unlike with F4, which had almost literally no audience.

That's what I was trying to say, maybe it won't bomb, but it's got a more limited audience and I think critics, as in critics who aren't comic fans, will trash it for its extensive violence without reason (something that is IMO awesome).

Aside from some distant shots and one close up of in a containment splatter the movie is pretty tame.

Doom popping some heads is not focused on in great detail it's way less intense and gory than the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark is for example.
It's nothing you wouldn't see in a middle of the road Cop TV show.

I wouldn't say take 7 year olds to it as the Body Horror aspects might be disturbing to some. But Doom's Rampage is about as Scary as Kung Fury pulling the head off a Nazi. And like Kung Fury many of those killed are in containment suits so you don't get the full effect you would if it was more Scanner like.

It's odd though to think that Scanners was seen as "To much" but no one paid any notice to the melting people in Raiders of the lost Ark, or even the Nazi getting chopped up by a propeller, or even the guys in the damage plane in last Crusade, or the Heart removal in Temple of Doom for that matter, all of that gets a pass it seems.

I can't see anything unsuitable for any sensible person over 13 to see with no problems though. However since the Movie is so slow they'd just be bored anyway.. Buy them the previous 2 on DVD instead.

Madeus Prime wrote:Lemme rephrase that. It's going to bomb because it's not child-friendly.

Do you want me to start listing movies that aren't child-friendly that didn't bomb? Or would you rather rephrase that again? Because that is a very, very silly statement you just made.

RAR wrote:It's odd though to think that Scanners was seen as "To much" but no one paid any notice to the melting people in Raiders of the lost Ark, or even the Nazi getting chopped up by a propeller, or even the guys in the damage plane in last Crusade, or the Heart removal in Temple of Doom for that matter, all of that gets a pass it seems.

Temple of Doom and Gremlins(possibly Poltergeist as well) are cited as two of the reasons why PG-13 existed. Before them, there was only G, PG, and R. The basic gist was that they were going a tad too far for PG, and they wanted another median rating, though standards have changed and I'm sure there are some PG-13 fare nowadays that would have been R's in the old, and vice versa.

Anyway yeah Fantastic Four....

Roger Corman's is still the best movie adaptation overall for them. I didn't think the new one was really "bad" per say, but there was no effort put into anything. I'm on board with the new origin and The Thing working for the government was an interesting idea, but they never DID anything with it. Doom was so nothing it's hard to even get complain about how lackluster his "character"(if you want to call it that) was. Heck, nobody had character.

I wanted to see it, and so I did. Will I ever own it on Blu-Ray? Not until it hits bargain bin or is revealed to have some super awesome director's cut. Heck, I don't even have the other two FOX Fantastic Four movies...

See, I didn't mind the first Fox Fantastic Four movie, the second one was alright as well even though they twisted Galactus into something that would eventually be used in the Ultimate universe.

Oh well, what's done is done.

I at least liked this new Fantastic 4 more than the old ones. This one had an interesting first 30 minutes to an hour, and some interesting concepts that I liked, but weren't really expanded upon. The first 2 were just complete **** shows the entire way through.

Yeah but past posts tend to indicate no one agrees with your views on movies.

Guessing this FF must have had more violence than the other two.

Burn wrote:Yeah but past posts tend to indicate no one agrees with your views on movies.

Guessing this FF must have had more violence than the other two.

I recall he once said the Godfather was **** because it didn't have any explosions in it. So there's that.

Not liking Gangster Movies isn't going to be something I would put a downer on someone for I don't watch Gangster Movies it's a genre that leaves me cold. I don't like gory Westerns either (fortunately there's only a few of those).

Ant Man having a glimpse of a figure in a cloud is a bit like the glimpse of a figure you see inside the Galactus cloud in ROTSS now I consider it.

I think I'd have been better expressing a relative lack of concern about Indiana Joes' Gore in relation ship to the 1st one - the second one though I would say that the darker tone still doesn't stop it from being shown possibly unedited on Daytime TV these days from time to time.

The sex Dungeon Line gets me every time in Goonies though. remember Never drink beverages while watching that scene or you may pebble dash your TV.

There is also Movie that some people wonder if they have a subtext like the idea that seems to have popped up that all of the Movie Explorers is just an LSD trip.

I wonder if there is a need for an Nc-16 rating in the US - though with the way America infantilises it's teenagers (aside from giving them access to motor vehicles crazy young for some odd reason) I would guess lobby groups would say anyone under 17 (or even 18) is to young to see a slightly more intense movie that isn't quite as in your face as an NC-17 or the old X-Rated might have been.

But Movies like Taken's sequels really need to not be PG-13 yet they don't need to be like total gorefests either - and there more banal flavour of shovelware Horror could do with that sort of rating too.

I always think the desire to make something like Dredd or The Punisher be to gory actually harms the plot so if there was something stronger than PG-13 yet not a total head exploding powertool mutilating slasher fest like the Punisher then I think that would be ideal for the darker Marvel Properties, that would be like the adult focused films of the late 70's perhaps - where you can be sensible but not have to get exploitative about it.

Such a rating would be useful for mild Horror, but also to allow things like Prostitution, Murder, and Drug Use to be handled in a less prissy way. (case in point being the stabbing in Avengers getting edited down - yet not the one in Terminator Genisys)

Oddly the sort of thing I'l thinking of is perhaps the sort of tone of some TV shows these days sometimes have.

Otherwise all that might happen is more nudity, Swearing and other things will just creep into PG-13 until something breaks and there is a backlash.

Transformer ROTF snuck some outlandish things in that I still think people have not always in all cases noticed and yet that is seen as a "Kids Movie"

Not to be rude RAR, but if you feelings on these are that strong, I'd recommend making a thread to discuss the quality and rating systems of films nowadays. I'm just trying to keep the thread on track and rattling on about the parental rating systems isn't helping anything. No offence is meant, its just frustrating to have you derail some threads with your argumentative points.

RAR wrote:The sex Dungeon Line gets me every time in Goonies though. remember Never drink beverages while watching that scene or you may pebble dash your TV.

Okay, yeah, if you like that movie, you just went down a further notch in my book.

RAR wrote:Not liking Gangster Movies isn't going to be something I would put a downer on someone for I don't watch Gangster Movies it's a genre that leaves me cold.

That's not the issue. The issue is about not liking one of the best films of all time because it doesn't contain copious amounts of explosions like the typical mindless fare Michael Bay makes. The fare, for those of us who aren't familiar, that Sly has stated are the best films of all time. Because that's where his standards are set.

And if you disagree with Sly, he doesn't care. Your opinion is beneath a God like himself.

Madeus Prime wrote:Not to be rude RAR, but if you feelings on these are that strong, I'd recommend making a thread to discuss the quality and rating systems of films nowadays. I'm just trying to keep the thread on track and rattling on about the parental rating systems isn't helping anything. No offence is meant, its just frustrating to have you derail some threads with your argumentative points.

RAR wrote:The sex Dungeon Line gets me every time in Goonies though. remember Never drink beverages while watching that scene or you may pebble dash your TV.

Okay, yeah, if you like that movie, you just went down a further notch in my book.

You don't like The Goonies? You just went down like, 12 notches on my pole.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:You don't like The Goonies? You just went down like, 12 notches on my pole.

I couldn't stand it, it was like you took everything I hate about Spielberg's work and made a movie out of it.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:Not to be rude RAR, but if you feelings on these are that strong, I'd recommend making a thread to discuss the quality and rating systems of films nowadays. I'm just trying to keep the thread on track and rattling on about the parental rating systems isn't helping anything. No offence is meant, its just frustrating to have you derail some threads with your argumentative points.

RAR wrote:The sex Dungeon Line gets me every time in Goonies though. remember Never drink beverages while watching that scene or you may pebble dash your TV.

Okay, yeah, if you like that movie, you just went down a further notch in my book.

You don't like The Goonies? You just went down like, 12 notches on my pole.

If you scroll past this comment fast enough notches looks like inches.

And that just sounds bad ...

Yes I like Goonies - I will not apologise for liking Goonies; It is a fun film.

I wasn't ranting about the rating system I was just saying that another rating option would be useful for a more balanced but slightly more adult tone for Marvel Characters like Werewolf By Night, Ghost Rider, The Punisher, Man Thing - even Daredevil (same applies to some of the Non Marvel Characters like Sandman or Swamp Thing too).

I only mentioned it as Teenagers are such a key demographic for movie ticket sales so making something unable to be seen by those under 17 isn't always a great idea but neither is making something to kiddy either. Not that I want all super hero movies to be all Brooding in tone. I just think it's time for another option.

I didn't mean any of what I was saying to be taken with Anger sorry if it seemed Ranting - I just make long posts is all.

Oh and doesn't a car blow up in at least on of the Godfather Movies ?
(Not that I'd know as I don't really tend to watch Gangster Movies).

Oh and as for Bay I don't mind Bay so long as some else picks the writers and he is on a short leash as with The Rock.

I think a lot of people anticipate for the Transformers Movie Bubble to have burst now any maintenance of it's Domestic taking will be down to 3D & Imax ticket sales from now on I suspect.

But the low-brow tone, explosions and childish Course humour of them is supposed to work well as an International marketable product though due to Lowest common denominators. One can only hope that Marvel being a tiny bit smarter gets the point across to one of the non-bay directed spin-off directors that there is another way to make money than bayhem.

I Do still feel a bit sad about that Fantastic Four Movie though it tried to be sombre and it just doesn't jell - Perhaps another Marvel property derived Movie can try to do something different and not turn into Ghost Rider or Fant4Stic in the process.

I'll be keeping an eye open about things like The Defenders for that perhaps... I hope they don't try to play Black Panther for laughs.. that might be so painful if they do.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Burn wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:You just went down like, 12 notches on my pole.

If you scroll past this comment fast enough notches looks like inches.

He wishes...

I saw The Godfather once. Great movie until the end, when Sonny gets lit up like Vegas on New Year's Eve.

That's only like, half-way through the film.

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Yeah but past posts tend to indicate no one agrees with your views on movies.

Guessing this FF must have had more violence than the other two.

I recall he once said the Godfather was **** because it didn't have any explosions in it. So there's that.

I've literally never seen that movie. I'm in no rush to see it, seeing as though there are no aliens, explosions, or anything else I find interesting. There aren't many ultra realistic movies I'm overly fond of, anyway.

And I say Transformers are the greatest movies because:
1. I'm a fan of Transformers.
2. I like the fact that the Transformers are actual characters (especially in AOE) that don't resemble human beings or anything from Earth.
3. They're actually characters I can relate to, which is a rarity for me.
4. They give me everything I want and don't hold back, unlike just about every other movie ever. I like that they have no restraint.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Yeah but past posts tend to indicate no one agrees with your views on movies.

Guessing this FF must have had more violence than the other two.

I recall he once said the Godfather was **** because it didn't have any explosions in it. So there's that.

I've literally never seen that movie. I'm in no rush to see it, seeing as though there are no aliens, explosions, or anything else I find interesting. There aren't many ultra realistic movies I'm overly fond of, anyway.

And I say Transformers are the greatest movies because:
1. I'm a fan of Transformers.
2. I like the fact that the Transformers are actual characters (especially in AOE) that don't resemble human beings or anything from Earth.
3. They're actually characters I can relate to, which is a rarity for me.
4. They give me everything I want and don't hold back, unlike just about every other movie ever. I like that they have no restraint.

Like I said, you've got extremely low standards.