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By the way I don't dislike Movies I'm just a very critical consumer.
However I am way way kinder to many movies than some people I've read or seen recently. Examples being Ant Man and the latest Mission Impossible.

I will admit I am often indifferent to Movies other people get excited about like Fury Road for example. I'm looking forward to FanFourstic being bad in an enjoyable way - I don't anticipate it being anything more than that though... But I don't like any Fox Super Hero Movie at all so far so being so bad it's good would be a step up for them for me.

Sometimes I can totally see why someone doesn't like Guardian of the Galaxy or indeed does like it it's one of those sort of Movie where you can find lots to like and plenty to despise too so a simple change of focus is all that is needed to see it as wonderful or gosh awful.

As for Deadpool I doubt I'll ever watch it, It's a Movie like John Wick or Dredd that I can just see I would have zero interest in.

That does not mean I think those 3 are bad they are are just not my taste.
And that is basically the crux of any negative comments I might make - I'm not dismissing the Movies entertainment value to others - only to me personally.

I can only say how I see something. The 2 Avengers Movies are films that for me I was quite happy to watch once but will never likely want to sit through again - where as I would watch Winter Soldier again with pleasure.
I'm undecided about Guardians of The Galaxy I'm on the fence a bit about that movie for the few things I do like there is more and more I dislike over time - it doesn't really help that I'm already bored to tears with Thanos either I suppose.
But I never liked him in the comics either so that is just my natural prejudice I suppose.

But if I am sometimes a bit snippy about some Movies it's not me saying I'm dismissing them to all viewers - it's more like the disinterested opinions of a non-sports fan to the gushing praises of their team of a sports fan is all.

Expecting me to like some movies is like expecting a typical American to like Cricket.

You know, I just got to see my mom's reaction to the Deadpool trailer, the greenband one, and it perfectly sums up why I despise her opinion on these movies and most movies in general. I quote "You are not seeing that, it's way to violent and it's so graphic." Might I add, this is the woman who recommended I see Saving Private Ryan and raised me watching CSI before bed. And she thinks all the movies are generally ****, especially the best ones like GOTG and Winter Soldier. Furthermore, she just basically said that I wouldn't be able to get Deadpool on Netflix when it comes out (which, by my estimates, I would be 18).

Sorry needed to vent.

RAR wrote:By the way I don't dislike Movies I'm just a very cynical consumer.

Fixed that for you.

Duke of Luns wrote:I think Deadpool looks very interesting. Who's the villain(or perhaps hero)?

Still like the super suit line.

Main villian is set to be Ajax, a character from Joe Kelly's brilliant Deadpool run.

Really liked Ant-Man, though of course it's the film I came away with the most Fanboy gripes with.

Generally like both Hank Pym and Janet van Dyne when written right, so I wasn't thrilled with how they were treated. Still I get why Marvel would want to shy away from their baggage.

Blastback wrote:

Duke of Luns wrote:I think Deadpool looks very interesting. Who's the villain(or perhaps hero)?

Still like the super suit line.

Main villian is set to be Ajax, a character from Joe Kelly's brilliant Deadpool run.

Thanks! I don't know who Ajax is(I've only read a scant few Deadpool comics) but at least it's not someone the studio made up like they used to do back in the day.

I think it'd be hilarious if Deadpool made a reference to the multiple timelines the X-Men movies have set up, as I don't know if this follows the X-Men 3 timeline or the First Class one.

In comic terms Hank Has actually hit his wife less often than Reed Richards has his wife and some Female super characters have struck their husband in a far more aggressive way than Hank did decades ago.

It's more down to the Comic writers finding a pag to hang their coat on and sticking with it - where as they never colour Spider-Man or Reed Richards as spousal abusers despite both having knocked their wives about.

They did hint that Hank might have gone a bit loopy due to pym particle exposure and they've long used mental illness as a retcon excuse for his villainous actions like building killer robots and the like.

They could have blamed his dodgy actions on him being replaced by a Skrull and none of this Pym is a fruit loop wife beater stuff would still be around decades later.

The Ultimates Hank Pym being a complete drunken d***head didn't help either, but no one seems to blame MCU Captain America for the miss-deeds of Ultimate Cap or MCU Iron Man for the deeds of Tony Stark & Reed Richards getting someone killed with the exact same dumb killer robot plan in Civil War.

I'm willing to take Movie Hank Pym at face value.

Duke of Luns wrote:

Blastback wrote:

Duke of Luns wrote:I think Deadpool looks very interesting. Who's the villain(or perhaps hero)?

Still like the super suit line.

Main villian is set to be Ajax, a character from Joe Kelly's brilliant Deadpool run.

Thanks! I don't know who Ajax is(I've only read a scant few Deadpool comics) but at least it's not someone the studio made up like they used to do back in the day.

I think it'd be hilarious if Deadpool made a reference to the multiple timelines the X-Men movies have set up, as I don't know if this follows the X-Men 3 timeline or the First Class one.

The Deadpool film takes place as a result of the timeline change from Days of Future Past, so it follows First Class' timeline.

So yeah, they never sewed his mouth shut or anything done to him in X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

Well... Fantastic 4's reboot crashed and burned HARD.

If Fox surrenders the rights to Fantastic 4, wonder how Marvel will handle it. Can't really do another Fantastic 4 titled film for at least another decade. Perhaps a Doctor Doom movie?

Roadbuster wrote:Well... Fantastic 4's reboot crashed and burned HARD.

If Fox surrenders the rights to Fantastic 4, wonder how Marvel will handle it. Can't really do another Fantastic 4 titled film for at least another decade. Perhaps a Doctor Doom movie?

Introduce them in another Marvel film, and see how they are recived. Same with Doom.

I feel bad for the cast, they are genuinly good actors who got screwed.

I spent a lot of time over the last week watching Fantastic Four reviews, I found a couple of instances of the sort of people that Fox may have been concerned about - the sort of people who would have been complaining about Fantastic Four not being "Super Heroic" enough.

Which seems to be what the point of some of the reshoots was.

General film fans - rather than Comic fans or comic book movie fans - (in which category I would include some people who have never read a single comic) seem to not mind the slow start and are more put out about the messy ending.

However it seems really hard to tell what was always missing, and what got got cut for time reasons, for example Was Ben intended to be in it more originally or not, was Sue & Johnny's relationship going to be built on more or not, were lines cut detailing more of a past between Sue & Doom ?

All I can say is the Movie needed a few jokes in the lab scenes to lighten it up a bit more and carry over some of the tone from the reed and Ben as children scenes. And Fox should have allowed the budget to put the action scenes in that got cut as the Movie really feels flat due to their lack. even more weird is it seems like some of those scenes got partially shot - such as the Thing throwing tanks around - it's in the Movie but "barely".

The Move seems to bring up lots of points and then follows none of them - is that bad editing, or Foxes reshoots causing that or is the script just a mess to begin with ?

I can't quite decide yet if the Movie was always going to be a mess of if it was turned into a mess.

Regardless I don't think it earned any sequel, and the public won't have patience for another reboot. so either they have to slot them in somewhere just to keep the license (like in a Silver Surfer Movie) or they will have to go begging to Disney and do a deal with them to gain more rights over X-Men in return to giving up Surfer, Galactus, the Skrulls that Marvel do want along with the Fantastic Four - who at this point are likely now "Toxic".

The only way I can think to save them is with an Agent Carter style TV Mini series - AKA "The Daredevil route to redemption".

Roadbuster wrote:Well... Fantastic 4's reboot crashed and burned HARD.

If Fox surrenders the rights to Fantastic 4, wonder how Marvel will handle it. Can't really do another Fantastic 4 titled film for at least another decade. Perhaps a Doctor Doom movie?

Kevin Feige pointed out that any time they get a franchise back, it's usually because said franchise bombed hardcore the last time they tried to make a movie off of it, so they tend to wait a while before using it again. (Like Daredevil)

Roadbuster wrote:Well... Fantastic 4's reboot crashed and burned HARD.

If Fox surrenders the rights to Fantastic 4, wonder how Marvel will handle it. Can't really do another Fantastic 4 titled film for at least another decade. Perhaps a Doctor Doom movie?

They won't surrender it. They've already announced a sequel.

If they do, in fact, surrender the franchise, it'll be a while before Marvel decides to do anything with it.

Announcing it doesn't guarantee it's going to be made. Plans can change.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Roadbuster wrote:Well... Fantastic 4's reboot crashed and burned HARD.

If Fox surrenders the rights to Fantastic 4, wonder how Marvel will handle it. Can't really do another Fantastic 4 titled film for at least another decade. Perhaps a Doctor Doom movie?

They won't surrender it. They've already announced a sequel.

Bet you a dollar they cancel that. The first one bombed too hard to allow a second one.

Burn wrote:Announcing it doesn't guarantee it's going to be made. Plans can change.

I know that, but that still doesn't mean they'll give it back. And like I said, if they do, it'll be a while before anything comes out of it.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Burn wrote:Announcing it doesn't guarantee it's going to be made. Plans can change.

I know that, but that still doesn't mean they'll give it back. And like I said, if they do, it'll be a while before anything comes out of it.

They have two choices.

Continue with plans for a sequel, knowing all too well it would take a miracle to succeed but they retain the rights for a bit longer.

Abandon the plans and shelve the franchise and let the rights default back to Marvel.

Either way, their core plan will be to prevent Marvel from adding them to the MCU to compete against other Fox movies.

The Fantastic Four's release slot has been given to Deadpool 2 - and as soon as the Movie was shown to be underperforming Fox suddenly said that it was not the same Universe as the X-men Movies.

So they have given up it's sequel slot to another movie and disowned it from being any part of a nascent attempt at a "Fox Cinematic Universe".

So at this point the only way I can see a sequel getting made is if it cost under $15 Million and it's shot with TV actors and recycled sets.

But would Fox do that if they knew it would do them huge reputational damage to make a movie on the cheap just to keep the license a bit longer - when they have zero interest in handling the property properly at this point.

Fox seem to have an amazing skill at poisoning their own franchises though. At least X-Men III had some money spent on it that you could sort of see on screen - though even that suffered from a trimmed effects budget harming the finished product.

Besides Fox surely has enough sense to not release a Superhero Movie the same fortnight as another Super hero picture from marvel or DC - that is a idiotic thing to do if they ever even consider doing that.

There has been to many cases of Movies failing simply as they got lost due to some Blockbuster taking all the takings and even most of the screens too.

This time of year is an odd one as the Movies out now are none of them "Heavy Hitters" it's just shovelware like Man From UNCLE & Fantastic Four, I am puzzled why this August is so dull - heck there is nothing of great note out now until December and after that It might be May 2016 before things pick up again.

I'm starting to wonder if we are in a period now where there will only be 1 or maybe 2 big Movie a year from each Major Studio and everything else does pretty mediocre business as it's not an "event" Movie.

It's like the Move business is starting to resemble the Videogame business in that way - where you get a few "event" games and everything else does sub-standard business.

RAR wrote:The Fantastic Four's release slot has been given to Deadpool 2 - and as soon as the Movie was shown to be underperforming Fox suddenly said that it was not the same Universe as the X-men Movies.

I think Deadpool will bomb personally, not because it doesn't look like an awesome film, but because it's only going to attract fans of the comics. Deadpool is clearly not appropriate for a below 16-18 year old audience and I think that's what'll kill it, just like Watchmen got bombed, which was an awesome superhero movie, but it was aimed at adult fans and not the general public.

RAR wrote:This time of year is an odd one as the Movies out now are none of them "Heavy Hitters" it's just shovelware like Man From UNCLE & Fantastic Four, I am puzzled why this August is so dull - heck there is nothing of great note out now until December and after that It might be May 2016 before things pick up again.

*sigh* There are a lot of good looking films coming out before then! Especially October. Here's my to-see-list

August
The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

September
Kitchen Sink
A Walk in the Woods
Maze Runner: Scorch Trials
Everest
Hotel Transylvania 2
The Intern

October
Victor Frankenstein
London Has Fallen
The Jungle Book
Bridge of Spies
Goosebumps

November
The Peanuts Movie
The Martian
The Good Dinosaur

December
In the Heart of the Sea
Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Kung Fu Panda 3

You know RAR, and I'm not trying to be a dickhead about this, but I haven't seen you post one positive comment on any thread. Not every movie has to be life changing or incredibly well done, some of us just go to a movie just to have fun and get away from real life for a little bit. Yes, I'm going to see Fantastic Four, am I expecting to be wowed? No. But I want to go to see it just for the sake of seeing it. With all the negativity in your posts, and if they weren't worded so well, I'd almost suspect them of being flamewar bait. I apologize if I'm coming off as a jerk, but you're negativity just seems to be restating the fact that some studios make stupid ass decisions, which we all know! And besides, when I go to a superhero movie, I expect to be thrilled with good CGI and some fun writing, I don't expect to feel moved or genuinely emotional after one (a case in point being the Imitation Game or Secret Life of Walter Mitty [sue me, I liked it]).

RAR wrote:The Fantastic Four's release slot has been given to Deadpool 2 - and as soon as the Movie was shown to be underperforming Fox suddenly said that it was not the same Universe as the X-men Movies.

Incorrect. Fant4stic was decided to not belong to the same universe as the X-men movies long before it came out.

Madeus Prime wrote:I think Deadpool will bomb personally, not because it doesn't look like an awesome film, but because it's only going to attract fans of the comics. Deadpool is clearly not appropriate for a below 16-18 year old audience and I think that's what'll kill it, just like Watchmen got bombed, which was an awesome superhero movie, but it was aimed at adult fans and not the general public.

I seriously doubt that. I know plenty of people who don't read the comics who are psyches for the movie.

Shadowman wrote:

Roadbuster wrote:Well... Fantastic 4's reboot crashed and burned HARD.

If Fox surrenders the rights to Fantastic 4, wonder how Marvel will handle it. Can't really do another Fantastic 4 titled film for at least another decade. Perhaps a Doctor Doom movie?

Kevin Feige pointed out that any time they get a franchise back, it's usually because said franchise bombed hardcore the last time they tried to make a movie off of it, so they tend to wait a while before using it again. (Like Daredevil)

*cough* Spider-Man *cough*

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Roadbuster wrote:Well... Fantastic 4's reboot crashed and burned HARD.

If Fox surrenders the rights to Fantastic 4, wonder how Marvel will handle it. Can't really do another Fantastic 4 titled film for at least another decade. Perhaps a Doctor Doom movie?

Kevin Feige pointed out that any time they get a franchise back, it's usually because said franchise bombed hardcore the last time they tried to make a movie off of it, so they tend to wait a while before using it again. (Like Daredevil)

*cough* Spider-Man *cough*

I said usually. Amazing Spider-Man 2 didn't bomb.

RAR wrote:The Fantastic Four's release slot has been given to Deadpool 2 - and as soon as the Movie was shown to be underperforming Fox suddenly said that it was not the same Universe as the X-men Movies.

So they have given up it's sequel slot to another movie and disowned it from being any part of a nascent attempt at a "Fox Cinematic Universe".

So at this point the only way I can see a sequel getting made is if it cost under $15 Million and it's shot with TV actors and recycled sets.

But would Fox do that if they knew it would do them huge reputational damage to make a movie on the cheap just to keep the license a bit longer - when they have zero interest in handling the property properly at this point.

Fox seem to have an amazing skill at poisoning their own franchises though. At least X-Men III had some money spent on it that you could sort of see on screen - though even that suffered from a trimmed effects budget harming the finished product.

Besides Fox surely has enough sense to not release a Superhero Movie the same fortnight as another Super hero picture from marvel or DC - that is a idiotic thing to do if they ever even consider doing that.

There has been to many cases of Movies failing simply as they got lost due to some Blockbuster taking all the takings and even most of the screens too.

This time of year is an odd one as the Movies out now are none of them "Heavy Hitters" it's just shovelware like Man From UNCLE & Fantastic Four, I am puzzled why this August is so dull - heck there is nothing of great note out now until December and after that It might be May 2016 before things pick up again.

I'm starting to wonder if we are in a period now where there will only be 1 or maybe 2 big Movie a year from each Major Studio and everything else does pretty mediocre business as it's not an "event" Movie.

It's like the Move business is starting to resemble the Videogame business in that way - where you get a few "event" games and everything else does sub-standard business.

Wow. I just realized there are literally no movies I care about until Star Wars comes out. Maybe until Hateful 8, depending on which one comes out first, I'm not sure. At least there are a bunch of video games coming out until then.

Shadowman wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Roadbuster wrote:Well... Fantastic 4's reboot crashed and burned HARD.

If Fox surrenders the rights to Fantastic 4, wonder how Marvel will handle it. Can't really do another Fantastic 4 titled film for at least another decade. Perhaps a Doctor Doom movie?

Kevin Feige pointed out that any time they get a franchise back, it's usually because said franchise bombed hardcore the last time they tried to make a movie off of it, so they tend to wait a while before using it again. (Like Daredevil)

*cough* Spider-Man *cough*

I said usually. Amazing Spider-Man 2 didn't bomb.

Fair enough point. It may not have bombed, it just sucked the balls of a castrated alpaca.

So who's really at fault for Fantastic Four failing?

I don't think you can blame just one person/group with this mess.

Trank is a director with ZERO big budget movie experience, and he seems upset that Fox would want to work with him closely and make sure they like what he's putting out. But fox took a gamble and chose a lousy director for a reboot that nobody wanted. So there's the start of your trouble. Yes, I say I say yes, no one was asking for a reboot of the Fantastic Four. What we want - what we need and deserve - is to see Dr. Doom fighting some Avengers. But Batman isn't here to give that to us yet.

I'm gonna post this so you all can read it and then vote at the end.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/4-Ways-Fantastic-Four-Franchise-Can-Save-Itself-76287.html