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[Sur_G]

I went to a pre-premiere at IMAX yesterday. This is my first IMAX experience ever and I have to say after all the build up, I was pretty let down by the size of the screen I expected a huge screen. Maybe its different in every Individual IMAX theater?

Anyway I just wanted to say I love transformers all my love, I have a separate room in my home, with only transformers from different generations in it. Its my Hobby.
I loved the first film and I waited every day for the second movie to come since the moment I saw the first one on 3 July 2006.

Yesterday was that moment....

What I like:
1. Optimus Prime Forest Fight: MOVIE HIGH LIGHT
2. Ironhides opening transformation
3. Jetfire's voice and model
4. A deeper story
5. Soundwave and Ravage
6. Bumblebee's fighting sequence with Rampage
7. Shia acting more Mature overall
8. John Turturros part.
9. Wheelie's voice/humour
10. Decepticon Spaceship scene
11. Megatrons voice acting
12. Megatrons conversations with Starscream were great!
13. The fact that we had a lot of Decepticons conversations overall, something that was lacking in the first movie.
14. Seeing Frenzy's head again.

What I didnt Like:
1. The Fallen just sitting around and when something happens on earth he feels its time to show up.
2. Megatron is a Tank, but he can fly in this tank mode, little bit weird
3. Megatron can go from earth to cybertron in a very short time (less than 15 minutes all together). I thought Cybertron supposed to be in a different solar system.
4. Pretender Isabel Lucas: Didnt add nothing to the story
5. JOLT (GM VOLT car), was seen 8 seconds in the movie total. He is voiced by Anthony Anderson, but the only problem is, he didnt get one line!
6. Arcee(Chromia/Moonracer) Could have been cut from the movie, she adds nothing and she is in the movie only 16 seconds, in robot mode, and maybe half a minute in bike mode.
7. Ironhide/Ratchet, they get about 4 lines each in the whole movie and you dont see them very often. In the first film at least Irondhide got to say to sam: "Get to the building sam, we'll protect you" a couple of times.
8. Sideswipe, has two lines and you get to see him in robot mode around 50 seconds in the whole movie.
9. Devastator, he didnt fight any autobots.
10. Why didnt Mudflap Die? Going inside Devastator, I just dont get it.
11. Devastator: He is build from 6 constructicons, but the same constructicons fight autobots while devastator is build. Overall Devastator is a gimmick and Megatron could have done the same things by himself.
12.The copies of same Decepticons: Grindor(Blackout),Demolisher(Scavenger) Rampage, Long Haul, Mixmaster, Bonecrusher(Same model from the first film).
13. The fact that the humans have more fights with the Decepticons than the Autobots do.
14. Sideways, he is a Joke, we dont even see his robot mode clearly, the only time is when he jumps through a building. Ohw and he is only in the movie for like 2 minutes before something happens to him.
15. Scorponok could have just stayed where he was, this is not they way to come back, his part was alot better in the first film.
16. Leo Spitz's character is quite annoying.
17. Some of the collega humour was off.
18. Movie has scenes that could have been cut, like most of the college scenes. And the shanghai scene didnt add nothing.
19. Demolisher is so EFFING big. Prime is just a bug compared to him, but prime takes him out in 4 seconds.
20. The Fallen comes to earth, then we dont see him a very long time. And then at the end he comes back for a moment.
21. Fight between Prime and the Fallen is too short.
22. The Fallen never transforms.
23. The whole movie is built around this FALLEN thing, the movie title, the movie official poster(Fallen's face), but in the movie itself we get so little FALLEN action.
24. Wheelie just disappearing after the TOMB scene, I mean, did he join barricade from the first movie?

Dont get me wrong Im very happy that movies of one of my favorite things in life are getting made. But its a shame when things can be so much better.
Im going to see the movies a couple of times more in the cinema no doubt about it, I will get the DVD and watch it alot times more. But Ill do it with less joy than I did with the previous movie.


Thanks for reading, please feel free to comment about my likings/dislikings. Im very curious in wich ways you agree/disagree.

Regards.

[blobatron]

-Sideways, he is a Joke, we dont even see his robot mode clearly, the only time is when he jumps through a building.

If you get a chance to read the previous posts, you'll see that several people, including me, have addressed the issue of multiple Constructicons, and whatnot (multiple Decepticons with the same alt form rather than a plot hole... much the same way all the Seekers in G1 were different colored F-15s). As for the Sideways bit, he is never referred to by name in the movie, only the toy line does so, as we all know, Transformers was a Toyline first, and a cartoon/comic/movie second.

And Megatron never flies to Cybertron, he goes to a moon on Saturn, as another poster mentioned.

I definitely agree with you on the Leo Spitz thing and the lameness of the Fallen just sitting around until he thinks its safe to go out now that his greatest threat is supposedly dead, although, in real life it makes sense.

Hope I was able to help clear up a few points there.

Also, did anyone else catch the UAV goof? The real life footage of the Predator drone they send out to Egypt had real word propeller driven flight, then when it cuts to the predator getting to the site of the action, it is jet powered? I think the same thing happened in Mission Impossible III.

[pleasedeleteme]

My thoughts:

The biggest gripe for me though and one that noone's picked up on. If all the constructicons have merged together how come they're all still fighting individually??? That is just stupid surely?!

Agreed. It kinda bugged me too as it's not explained in any way during the movie. The consensus seems to be that there's multiple units of these guys (think foot soldiers)... you only need 6 or so unique ones for Devastator to combine.

My biggest gripe is how easy human weapons can now injure and kills Transformers. The Decepticons were mere cannon fodder during the end battle. And Devastator? One hit in the back and that's it? Hardly menacing.

[pleasedeleteme]

I went to a pre-premiere at IMAX yesterday. This is my first IMAX experience ever and I have to say after all the build up, I was pretty let down by the size of the screen I expected a huge screen. Maybe its different in every Individual IMAX theater?

Anyway I just wanted to say I love transformers all my love, I have a separate room in my home, with only transformers from different generations in it. Its my Hobby.
I loved the first film and I waited every day for the second movie to come since the moment I saw the first one on 3 July 2006.

Yesterday was that moment....

What I liked:
-Optimus Prime Forest Fight
-Ironhides opening transformation
-Jetfire's voice and model
-A deeper story
-Soundwave and Ravage
-Bumblebee's fighting sequence with Rampage
-Shia acting more Mature overall
-John Turturros part.
-Wheelie's voice/humour
-Cybertron scene
-Megatrons voice acting
-Megatrons conversations with Starscream were great!
- The fact that we had a lot of Decepticons conversations overall, something that was lacking in the first movie.

What I didnt Like:
-The Fallen just sitting around and when something happens on earth he feels its time to show up.
-Megatron is a Tank, but he can fly in this tank mode, little bit weird
-Megatron can go from earth to cybertron in a very short time (less than 15 minutes all together). I thought Cybertron supposed to be in a different solar system.
-Pretender Isabel Lucas: Didnt add nothing to the story
-JOLT (GM VOLT car), was seen 8 seconds in the movie total. He is voiced by Anthony Anderson, but the only problem is, he didnt get one line!
-Arcee(Chromia/Moonracer) Could have been cut from the movie, she adds nothing and she is in the movie only 16 seconds, in robot mode, and maybe half a minute in bike mode.
-Ironhide/Ratchet, they get about 4 lines each in the whole movie and you dont see them very often. In the first film at least Irondhide got to say to sam: "Get to the building sam, we'll protect you" a couple of times.
-Sideswipe, has two lines and you get to see him in robot mode around 50 seconds in the whole movie.
-Devastator, he didnt fight any autobots.
-Why didnt Mudflap Die? Going inside Devastator, I just dont get it.
-Devastator: He is build from 6 constructicons, but the same constructicons fight autobots while devastator is build. Overall Devastator is a gimmick and Megatron could have done the same things by himself.
-The copies of same Decepticons: Grindor(Blackout), Rampage, Long Haul, Mixmaster, Bonecrusher(Same model from the first film).
-The fact that the humans have more fights with the Decepticons than the Autobots do.
-Sideways, he is a Joke, we dont even see his robot mode clearly, the only time is when he jumps through a building. Ohw and he is only in the movie for like 2 minutes before something happens to him.
-Scorponok could have just stayed where he was, this is not they way to come back, his part was alot better in the first film.
-Leo Spitz's character is quite annoying.
-Some of the collega humour was off.
-Movie has scenes that could have been cut, like most of the college scenes. And the shanghai scene didnt add nothing.
-Demolisher is so EFFING big. Prime is just a bug compared to him, but prime takes him out in 4 seconds.


Dont get me wrong Im very happy that movies of one of my favorite things in life are getting made. But its a shame when things can be so much better.
Im going to see the movies a couple of times more in the cinema no doubt about it, I will get the DVD and watch it alot times more. But Ill do it with less joy than I did with the previous movie.


Thanks for reading, please feel free to comment about my likings/dislikings. Im very curious in wich ways you agree/disagree.

Regards.

I think the "Cybertron" is an unnamed and unseen spaceship, only really alluded to after Megatron's flyby of Saturn.

But I agree with your assessment of the Leo character. Very annoying indeed. Surprisingly the Autobot twins (and Wheelie) were quite likable once you get over their goofy faces. I was worried they'd be 2 Jar Jar Binks-type characters.

I'll be seeing the movie again in a few days. Believe it's one of those movies that will likely grow on you. First time is too much to take in even for a hardcore fan. The crap reviews are largely from non-Fans anyway so I don't really pay too much attention to them.

[Sur_G]

-Sideways, he is a Joke, we dont even see his robot mode clearly, the only time is when he jumps through a building.

If you get a chance to read the previous posts, you'll see that several people, including me, have addressed the issue of multiple Constructicons, and whatnot (multiple Decepticons with the same alt form rather than a plot hole... much the same way all the Seekers in G1 were different colored F-15s). As for the Sideways bit, he is never referred to by name in the movie, only the toy line does so, as we all know, Transformers was a Toyline first, and a cartoon/comic/movie second.

And Megatron never flies to Cybertron, he goes to a moon on Saturn, as another poster mentioned.

I definitely agree with you on the Leo Spitz thing and the lameness of the Fallen just sitting around until he thinks its safe to go out now that his greatest threat is supposedly dead, although, in real life it makes sense.

Hope I was able to help clear up a few points there.

Also, did anyone else catch the UAV goof? The real life footage of the Predator drone they send out to Egypt had real word propeller driven flight, then when it cuts to the predator getting to the site of the action, it is jet powered? I think the same thing happened in Mission Impossible III.

Thanks for you comment. You are right, I didnt read all comments yet, I was half way through and than I just feeled like bursting, I needed to get this out. Ill read the rest right now.
The seeker thing is a way to look at it. Makes me feel better But how did you know its a moon nearby?
About cybertron, on one hand im relieved that its just a moon very close on the other hand we didnt get to see cybertron, I thought I read somewhere that there would be home cybertron scenes. Anyway, can you explain about the decepticon babies? How are they making them?

Im not sure I get the thing with the Predator having different ways of being driven. Is this in the first 17.000 BC scene?

[pleasedeleteme]

One more thing that gets me... it's 17,000 BC at the beginning of the movie. Location: Ancient Egypt - and human hunters are stalking what looks like a modern day "tiger"??? In EGYPT???

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't tigers native to Asia? The hunters certainly don't look Asian to me, and the Suncrusher is being built on what will later be known as the Giza Plateau (also not in Asia).

So where on Earth did the tiger come from? Must have wandered very far from home.

[D-340]

It was good, better than the first. But it wasn't great. I would say 2.75/3 out of 5.

Spoiler heavy from here on out.












My gripes:

-Too long.
-Not enough bot characterization. If you aren't Prime, BB, Jetfire, Megatron and Starscream, you don't matter.
-Still way too much human interaction and story line. Especially the Sam/Mikaela love story.
-The crude humor, my god it's bad. Sam's mom get's high and acting all crazy at the college, Devastator has testicles, Simmons in a thong, Wheelie humping a leg, all of the sexual innuendo between the parents in the beginning, one dog "dominating" the other. Ugh.
-The majority of the college scenes dragged.
-Prime's "death" was very anti-climatic. And his whole "resurrection" also seemed to have lack of any real impact at all.
-The fight between the Fallen and Prime was WAY too short.
-Devastator did way too little, and was taken out way too quick.
-Much like Megatron's back story from the first, the Fallen's back story was told way too fast.
-Though the CG was better this go around, some of the fight scenes were still tough to watch.
-Naming the Matrix of Leadership as such. The whole set up with it and the Sun Destroyer screams The Plasma Energy Chamber to me. That would've been a much better name.

What I liked:

-Violence. I took me back to the '86 animated movie. Even with Prime, he's willing to do what it takes to stop the Cons.
-The Twin's and Wheelie. I expected to hate these characters, I ended up liking them.
-The whole NEST set up. I really liked the idea of the Autobots and the military working together to bring down the Cons. Very G.I Joe/Transformers.
-Megatron and Starscream. What can I say, they were perfectly done in this movie. Every interaction they had was classic, very G1.
-The Fallen. For what we got to know about him, he was really evil. And the Emperor to Megatron's Vader was great.
-The Nemesis. I'm glad they used this as the Con's HQ.
-Devestator and the Constructicons. Though I felt they could've done more with them, what they did do was great.
-Con's kidnapping Sam's parents to try and trap Sam. This was classic.
-The fight scenes. For the most part they were great, especially the forest battle.
-The CG. A lot clearer this time around.
-Soundwave. They did him really well. I liked the fact that he was strictly communications and a spy. It would've been cool to see him get more directly involved, but I felt this was fitting for the character. And Welker's performance gave me chills.
-The Voice Acting. Absolutely amazing this time around. Charlie Adler channeled Chris Latta real well for his Screamer. Weaving's Megatron was amazing, Tony Todd as The Fallen was awesome. The Twins and Wheelie were great with their voices, and Jetfire was the best next to Cullen's Prime.
-Jetfire. He was awesome, stole the movie for me. And his death hit me harder than Prime's.

There you have it, my thoughts on ROTF.

[barricade2218]

I too saw the movie last night. Overall, I liked it alot but as always there were things you could nitpick about the way the characters were presented. My only major disappointment was Soundwave not transforming into robot mode. Other than that, it is major eye candy, and I'm gonna see it again to see things I didn't the first time around.

[Cyber Bishop]

I saw it and I do realize that there are tons of things to nitpick over HOWEVER I go to a big summer movie to have fun, enjoy myself and "escape" into the movie.
If I want deep plot I will watch a Shakespeare movie like Hamlet or the original Romeo and Juliet.

I wanted giant robots kicking ass and lots of action and I got exactly that. I really enjoyed it and will go see it again.

[Evolution Prime]

Saw the midnight showing and I absolutely loved it. I thought it actually topped the first one. Yes, there could have done some things better, but most movies are like that. I loved all the action in this movie that the first one kinda lacked. The forrest fight was pure win! Optimus Prime turned into the bada$$ that I wanted to see in the first movie and expected from the beginning. The fight scene between OP and The Fallen and Megs could have been longer, yes, but it was none the less bada$$. Prime, with the help of Jetfire's sacrifice, reaaly took it too him and showed the Prime we came to love. I will say his line he says to The Fallen, along the lines of "I rise and you fall," could have been replaced with a G1 throwback of "I thought you were made of sterner stuff." I thought that to be more fitting. Interaction between Megs and Starscream were spot on from what we came to know, possibly even more brutal than the way Megs treats Starscream in G1 or any other series. As for character development, I look at it this way. How are you going to get an in depth character devolopment in 2.5 hours on some Transformers that most people, except the fanboys here, aren't reaaly going to connect and care about. It happened in the X-Men movies. Most people there went to see a select few X-Men, mostly Wolverine, and couldn't care less about what else was presented. It is no different in Transformers. There could have been more screen time for some and less of the unnamed ones, but not a real big deal to me. Every battle has to have no names as cannon fodder. Devasator was cool but wasn't a huge wow factor for me. The one thing they could have done without is his "balls." Devastators Balls = Bat-Nipples. One of my only real complaints about the movie, along with all sexual humor they had in it, especially Wheelie humping Mikala's leg. They could have done with less of that. I wasn't real big on the Twins, but they were overall tolerable. Like some have said before, I would have rather have seen the duo of Sunstreaker and Sideswipe, but I can live with it. I'm not crazy on how they used the Matrix, but overall I found it to work. I know we saw the sun destroying machine get blasted, but doesn't mean that the Matrix was destroyed. I mean it did comeback from dust. The Fallen could have been featured more, but since he has never been a major character, don't have to really make him a huge one now. I didn't mind him being the original Decepticon and even Megs calling him master. I know what it wasn't what we were used from Megatron, but it wasn't a huge sticking point for me. Overall I really enjoyed the movie and plan on seeing it again in the near future.

EP's Movie Rating: 4/5 to 4.5/5

Now to those who have been trolling this thread. Did you expect this to be an on Oscar winning movie and script or Oscar performances by Shia Leboef and Megan Fox? Get real! Take it for what it was worth. It is a summer popcorn flick! Plot holes this, character development that. We knew from even the first movie that it wasn't going G1 or any other Transformer canon. It's its own timeline. They base stuff off other canon but made this a bit unique to the rest. I'm a G1 fan but I can live what they have come up with. I believe some of you went into this franchise not wanting to like and refuse to like it because it was not you, the fanboy, wanted. Get over yourselves. To you, if it wasn't straight up G1, or whatever your favorite Transformer brand is, it was going to be crap. Yeah I wished they would have used G1 alt modes and stuff, but I am happy with what we have and we can't change that. And if you are listening to critics to make your mind up before you have even seen it, you are dumber than I thought. They typically don't go out and look at the entertainment quality of it. They look at the "artsy" side of it. Of course the critics are going to bash it, its and action-adventure movie! They typically do get bashed, but usually end up doing well at the box office despite their lower critic ratings. I think some of you had your mind made up before going to see it and went to look for things that were wrong with it. Go in with an open mind and take it for what it's worth.

[OPTIMUS MAGNUS]

Well...my 2 cents.

Likes:
Optimus Prime: Legendary. I loved his character advancement. Prime whooped ALOT of ass even for being dead almost half the film. The forest fight scene was KILLER and His combination with Jetfire was short but SICK. loved it. Almost squirted a tear when he died! (I knew it was coming however.)

Bumblebee: AWESOME. I love me some Bee. nuff said!

The twins: LOVED these dudes. Didn't think I would either...I know, the foul language was a bit much for kids but I as an adult LOVED it. Too damn funny.

Jetfire: Super cool IMO. I didn't think I would like him at ALL when I seen previews and character designs.

Ravage: AWESOME! Loved this dude! Evoked G1 Ravage alot IMO and I do not think he should have been killed yet! He is my favorite Con of either film so far. Too bad we won't see him in TF3.


Dislikes:
THAD STUPID FEMALE TRANSFORMER THING. I thought this thing was a WASTE of screen time and animation money! WTF? I know there were a lot of campy, weak points and stupid jokes but this one RUINED the film for me personally. I think they could have cut this part out and it would have made me like the flick MUCH more. Hell, I was EMBARRASSED when I seen the damn thing! Too damn stupid IMO. WEAK.

Megatron: Answers to NO ONE!!! I can see him having respect for Fallen but answering to him? Nahh...it's not like he is Unicron or anything lol.

Starscream: Too much of a lap dog! He should have tried to KILL Megatron a few times. Definitely not REVIVE him....oh and Megs pissed me off a bit telling Starscream "You left me here to rust!" What the hell was Starscream supposed to do? He was defeated! He came back re-grouped to save your ass Megs! Have some dayum respect!!! hahahahaha!


TOO MANY CHARACTERS! Bay...STOP! Do not try to cram that many characters in one story! My wife was like "Who's that?" and "What's his name?" and she is VERY attentive to details although, she does not know much about the TF world. Nobody even SAID Sideswipes name that I am aware of. Not cool!

Sideswipe: NOT enough SCREENTIME! I was looking forward to getting to know him. Awesome looking character. Not sure how I felt about his 'rollerblades' but overall the short few minutes he was in the film were pretty cool.

Devastator: Silly. I don't think he had enough impact. Not to mention his minions were fighting other battles while combined. (Mixmaster, I am talking about you.) And, the red Rampage? too confusing. I understand there might have been other construction vehicles with similar bot modes however, their was NO explanation what so ever.

Fembots (Arcee) I think they should have been cut from the film. Waste of CGI money and bot screentime. toward the end when Arcee said she would take Sam to prime and quickly get's her head blown off?!? Totally unnecessary.

Sam's room mate: STUPID! What a waste! No pint whatsoever except to have an extra human to team up with a vehicle for a H.A. toy! Not even funny! and when he was hit with the stun-gun in the NECK in the back of the car and gets out a few seconds later?!? WTF? Hated this character. not cool.

Sam's parents: Too OVERDONE! Ya know, I was done with them after the collage scene. Wish they could have left it at that. Mom's pot-brownie experience was WAY over the top and served NOTHING to the plot or story line. (Was their one?)

Man, too many screw up's in this film to mention! Could pick this one to death but I will be good. I could go on and on....but I won't. However, I may edit this post as I think of more things.

[aviolante]

I'm taking my 5 year old nephew tonight to see it, can someone who's seen it tell me what part the "p**sy" line is said so I can cover his ears or distract him haha

[javaco]

i saw it last night at midnight showing and thought the movie was amazing! the story wasnt as good as the first one in my opinion but the fights made up for it the length didnt bother me too much. i reeally wished they told how the new autobots came in and talk about them a bit. especially jolt haha he only had like 1 part and he looked pretty sweet (not the toy tho lol) and the arcee bikes... i was told they were goin to combine sense the toys seem like they should. and they did kill off sideways way to quick, but that scene was friggin sick! and i thought that the whole decepticons with the same contructicon alt modes was weird but it didnt bother me at all to see the beastly devastador and long haul was sweet. haha. i looved the twins! haha they had so much personality fighting over things and to me they loooks soo cool. mudflap was awesome how he tore through devastadors face hah
overall i thought the movie was amazing. better than the first 1.

[First-Aid]

My biggest gripe is how easy human weapons can now injure and kills Transformers. The Decepticons were mere cannon fodder during the end battle. And Devastator? One hit in the back and that's it? Hardly menacing.

Gonna address this quick before the rest of my thoughts. If the humans and the Autobots had been fighting 'Cons for two years, they would have developed weapons specifically for that purpose- one's that are FAR mor effective than those used in the first movie. On that note, Devastator beign taken out by (JOYGASM!!!) a rail gun is not as far fetched as you may think. Those things are TREMENDOUSLY powerful and can easily punch a hole through a LINE UP of tanks...not just one. I believe they are designed as anti-ship weapons...to blast apart entire aircraft carriers.

I had fun watching this movie. It was a giant, loud, explosive romp. I need to see it again to realy get nitpicky with it. But in all, it was fun.

Here's my thoughts on the characterization of the bots. There simply is not enough time to characterize them all...espcially with the sheer volume of them in this movie. What the writers and MB seem to be doing is focusing on two bots on each side: Prime and Bumblebee on the Autobots, and Megatron and Starscream on the 'Cons. As fans we know about the characters...we know they are more than toys. However, as the average movie-goer people are not really interested in developing the "asides". They want to see the main characters. The others are cool and all, but it could get far too distracting to develop ALL the bots.

My final note isn't so much about the movie, but the response to the movie. I went to the 1201 showing here in town. By the time I got there I discovered they had added 4 more shows and all of them were sold out. The other major cineplex had the same issue. The response shows me that this isn't just movie anymore...it became an event. What was even MORE surprising were the people at the movie. It WASN'T the "geeky" majority that would be expected...a lot of fans and collectors, etc. We were, in fact, the MINORITY. A very SMALL minority at that! The majority were people who were hooked by the first movie...teens, young adults who probably don't know anything about G1 or Beast Wars or Godmasters or Pretenders. Transformers has gone mainstream, and in a HUGE way. I'm guessing this movie will crush the record book this weekend...and that's a GOOD thing. It means our Robots in Disguise will continue for quite a while to come...movieverse or otherwise. And to me THAT is the most important thing.

[Rodimus Prime]

I'm guessing this movie will crush the record book this weekend...and that's a GOOD thing. It means our Robots in Disguise will continue for quite a while to come...movieverse or otherwise. And to me THAT is the most important thing.

My thought exactly.

Do you think Bay and Spielberg will see us all the way fom the top of that pile of cash they will be sitting on?

[First-Aid]

One more thing that gets me... it's 17,000 BC at the beginning of the movie. Location: Ancient Egypt - and human hunters are stalking what looks like a modern day "tiger"??? In EGYPT???

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't tigers native to Asia? The hunters certainly don't look Asian to me, and the Suncrusher is being built on what will later be known as the Giza Plateau (also not in Asia).

So where on Earth did the tiger come from? Must have wandered very far from home.

Very good point indeed. It should have been a lioness instead of a tiger...would have been more region specific to Africa.

But, hey, we didn't expect Oscar winning performances. If you want to nitpick location, how the heck did the military get to the NEST guys so quickly when landing by sea? The pyramids are NO WHERE NEAR the sea!

[Mach]

To me Fallen not really scary at all. Of course he looks freaky, but i donno what he can do, how powerful he was that only a Prime can kill him or Megatron needs to bow to him.
He is the main villian so he needs to show what he is all about. Not just his intention.

[Iron Prime]

I saw it and I do realize that there are tons of things to nitpick over HOWEVER I go to a big summer movie to have fun, enjoy myself and "escape" into the movie.
If I want deep plot I will watch a Shakespeare movie like Hamlet or the original Romeo and Juliet.

I wanted giant robots kicking ass and lots of action and I got exactly that. I really enjoyed it and will go see it again.

I think this sums it up pretty well. It's not the movie I would have made, but the good outweighs the bad by more than a slim margin....

[snowdevil86]

A few questions/comments about the film:

--is that Barricade that abducts Sam's parents?
--in the scene where Optimus flies toward the pyramid to attack The Fallen, there are three jets (couldn't tell if they were Raptors), and I think Prime attacks one of them...could those have been Starscream, Thundercracker, & Skywarp?
--Rampage painted red looked much cooler than his toy - any rumors of a red toy repaint?
--the Decepticon reinforcements in Egypt - were they drones or protoform 'cons, or a mix of both?
--does anyone know if the Arcee bikes were supposed to combine for a big pink autobot or not? I know it didn't happen in the movie, but I'm just curious what the concept is
--The skipped scenes from the comic were sorely missed - Alice's true alt-mode revealed as an Alice in Wonderland theme ride animatronic especially. I'm glad they opted out of the hatchling army ending, as it didn't make any sense in the comic (where did he get the energy source to power an army?)
--Ratchet looked surprisingly good in yellow as opposed to lime green.
--I was really looking forward to seeing some of the bots in Reign of Starscream reappear under Starscream's command, most notably Thundercracker (who looks f**king AMAZING in the comic) and also Arcee's unit (Air Raid, Cliffjumper, Smokescreen, etc.).


Also, I have a few questions regarding the comic prequels and the Veiled Threat novel. In Defiance, the Fallen was sealed by his brothers in a sarcophagus, holding him in a little pocket dimension. I assumed that he needed Megatron to repower the cube or something to break him free. Otherwise, why didn't he just fly to Earth himself and spend all those millenia searching for the matrix? According to the comic, he killed his brothers himself, so he knew approximately where they fell. Also, there are tons of plotholes when comparing ROTF to Reign of Starscream & The Veiled Threat - The Nemesis was on Mars, and The Fallen & Soundwave were not on board (it was just Thundercracker and a handful of decepticons keeping watch).

If the Fallen were around, how did Starscream get to rule for so long on his own? In Veiled Threat there were two decepticon factions operating independent of one another -one that served Starscream, and another that worked to thwart his rule and revive Megs. The only thing I can come up with is that The Fallen showed up toward the end of Veiled Threat & put Starscream back in place, forcing him to look for Megatron, because Scream's first appearance in ROTF is cowering under The Fallen back on the Nemesis. But this doesn't add up with the fact that the novel ends with NEST heading out to Shanghai, and Starscream still head of the decepticons - The Fallen must have just gotten there at the start of the movie and straightened Starscream out before Megs came back.

There's also the scene where Epps & Lennox spot Starscream with binoculars and don't recognize him, tattoos and all. They've been hunting him for two years, and they definitely know who he is in the novel (the entire NEST branch knows him, in fact, as he was their #1 target). Finally, one last quibble - Alice gets inside Bumblebee, and he can't detect that she's a decepticon? It's explained in Veiled Threat that autobots can sense decepticon signatures within a certain radius, so how does she get inside Bumblebee and not get attacked immediately?


All nitpicking aside, I still loved every second of the movie and it gets a full 5 stars from me. I realize that the film script and the tie-ins are likely to contradict one another, given that elements of the script were changed and kept secret, etc.

[Cyber Bishop]

a lot of fans and collectors, etc. We were, in fact, the MINORITY. A very SMALL minority at that! The majority were people who were hooked by the first movie...teens, young adults who probably don't know anything about G1 or Beast Wars or Godmasters or Pretenders. Transformers has gone mainstream, and in a HUGE way.

This may piss some people off but I witnessed pretty much the same thing last night at the 12:01 IMAX showing. And this is who the target audience is, Not us but the masses and unfortunately the masses outweigh the fans and collectors.

This movie should KILL at the box office easily.

[Prowl240z]

The Fight scenes are so sloppy feeling and i mean you can't see the damage any one is taking.

Does anyone else think that there is just too much going on in the fight scenes? I miss the days where a fight scene was 2 guys in rubbers suits going at it.

[Evolution Prime]

This movie should KILL at the box office easily.

I believe so too. It's one of those movies people can go back and see over and over and still be entertained, despite knowing what's going to happen. You can't do that with suspense and maybe even drama and horror movies. You know whats going to happen and that kinda takes the fun out of it. Movies like this one you can keep coming back to because of the fun and entertainment value of it.

[blobatron]

Thanks for you comment. You are right, I didnt read all comments yet, I was half way through and than I just feeled like bursting, I needed to get this out. Ill read the rest right now.
The seeker thing is a way to look at it. Makes me feel better But how did you know its a moon nearby?
About cybertron, on one hand im relieved that its just a moon very close on the other hand we didnt get to see cybertron, I thought I read somewhere that there would be home cybertron scenes. Anyway, can you explain about the decepticon babies? How are they making them?

Im not sure I get the thing with the Predator having different ways of being driven. Is this in the first 17.000 BC scene?

The goof about the Predator is the scene where General Morshower sends a U.S. Predator Drone (UAV..the kind you see being remote controlled all over Iraq). When they send it out to see what's happening in Egypt 'cause communications are down, they show real world footage of a REAL Predator Drone taking off that has a propeller at the back, but when it cuts to the CG scene of the Drone approaching the battle scene, it is jet powered. Just nitpicking about that, really.

And the whole tiger thing was a bit odd, but then again, this was an alternate history where Transformers were setting up a device to destroy our sun, so I didn't really have a problem seeing a Tiger in Egypt in 17,000 B.C.E.

--in the scene where Optimus flies toward the pyramid to attack The Fallen, there are three jets (couldn't tell if they were Raptors), and I think Prime attacks one of them...could those have been Starscream, Thundercracker, & Skywarp?

Prime was flying amongst the F-22 Raptors that were trying to fight Megatron and the Fallen, what "attacked" or hit the Raptors was debris that the Fallen kicked up into the air with his magic stick.

[QBKiller94]

My biggest gripe is how easy human weapons can now injure and kills Transformers. The Decepticons were mere cannon fodder during the end battle. And Devastator? One hit in the back and that's it? Hardly menacing.

Gonna address this quick before the rest of my thoughts. If the humans and the Autobots had been fighting 'Cons for two years, they would have developed weapons specifically for that purpose- one's that are FAR mor effective than those used in the first movie. On that note, Devastator beign taken out by (JOYGASM!!!) a rail gun is not as far fetched as you may think. Those things are TREMENDOUSLY powerful and can easily punch a hole through a LINE UP of tanks...not just one. I believe they are designed as anti-ship weapons...to blast apart entire aircraft carriers.

Transformers have technology light years ahead of humans. Don't you think they would adjust to what the humans throw at them? Let's not be Bay apologists. There's no way the humans should have been able to do that much damage to the Decepticons. If that's the case, then why do they need the Autobots around?

The only reason the humans kicked more ass in this movie was so Michael Bay could kiss the U.S. Military's ass. He makes them look good, and they give him more access down the road.

I would have liked to see more of Bot on Bot violence. Sideswipe didn't even transform into bot mode in the desert battle. He sat there in the sand like he was in a GM showroom.

[Deceptitech]

First and foremost I hated Travestyformers 1.

I went in with very little respect for anyone in the production department of this pile of scrap(ILM aside, they always rock). Actors/actresses aside, they perform and don't have much to say about story and editing. That being said...

The good:

1. The Devastator merging sequence. Holy *&#@!!
2. Frank Welker as Soundwave, Ravage, and Devastator. Not as many voices as in the original series but we won't complain too much.

The bad:

1. Story. Very little usable story. I've seen better fanfic than this slag.
2. The design of several new transformers. Mudflap and Skids looked like Johnny 5 and Kid N' Play(yes, I know they are 2 people) had love twins. They made Jar Jar Binks almost tolerable. And Wheelie? At least he wasn't rhyming. The female autobots were a joke design wise. You could have painted them black and had MC Hammer do their voices and no difference in storyline.

The WTF???:

1. This goes all to writing. They said Orci and Kurtzman had only half finished the movie before the dreaded writer's strike. It couldn't have taken them too long to write this filth. Pulp magazines from the 40s have better writing. First they said there was no matrix and it was replaced by the allspark. Now the Matrix of Leadership makes an appearance? Hey Orci, Kurtzman.. Get some continuity.
2. The disposability of the Decepticons.. What, new weapons that can amazingly take out all enemies? Devastator destroyed by a secret weapon. Grindor was killed without knowing his name. And DAMN! Ravage was killed by BUMBLEBEE like THAT!!!! Bumblebee, the weakest of the autobots kills Rampage and Ravage easily. Sideways, Demolisher, Grindor, Ravage, Alice/whatever, Rampage, Devastator, The Fallen(ok, I like Tony Todd doing the voice, but he was designed to be killed off here), and more? Autobot deaths? Arcee and Elita.
3. A subservient Megatron. Ok, someone needs their brain washed, dried and roasted. Megatron has not now, nor will ever call anyone "master". That whole thing was wrong on so many levels.
4. Megan Fox looks nice, as all eye candy should. No real integral role, aside from cling-on for Sam. But please stop getting tattoos, you're going to have more CGI than Optimus Prime soon.
5. Language and crude humor. How many "****", "asshole" and wonderful words must we hear from the humans and the autobots? Also, what was the point of the reefer brownies, the wrecking "balls" on Devastator, and half the dialog between Mudflap and Skids being "wannabe gangsta"? Is that "in" now? If that is popular, I am glad I am an outcast.
6. For those who think I am nothing but a Decepticon fanboy, I saw something in the opening scenes really disturbed me. Optimus Prime, the bastion of all that is good and moral when defeating his opponent walks up to him, and says "Any last words?" I was aghast there, when Demolisher(never called by name) said that the fallen will return, he said "Not today" and blows his head off right there. Holy **** dog ****! That was NOT Optimus Prime. I thought Optimus Prime has mercy for even his most hated foes. That was completely out of character. From walking up to Megatron at the end of the first movie and saying "I am sorry, brother." to "Any last words?" I damn near had a conniption fit. I will say this. Any autobot fanboys should better as hell be disturbed at this. THAT was not Optimus Prime there. If you think is was, then welcome to Decepticon way of life.

If you liked the first Travestyformers, you will like this one most likely. If like me you were appalled by the first one, then prepared to be even more disappointed by Travestyformers: Revenge of the Phallic.