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Official ROTF Review Thread

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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby flix » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:09 pm

jst saw the film and I'm not shure what to think of it yet.

I was affraid of the ressurection of Megatron, but it didn't bother me one bit. I also liked the dialogues together with starscream, i was glad to see them interact.

unfortunately devastator and the fallen had not enough screen time.

also why the constructicons didn't transform into devastator remains a mistery to me. (why do they have altmode doubles?)

skid and mudflap were ok, I thought they were going to be worse
also jetfire was a lot of fun... I liked it that he was a grumpy englishman.

the human transformer was too terminator 3, I did love the decepticon that steals the allspark from the bunker that was agreat design.

where was baricade and why was bonecrusher there?

in the end I was glad the movie wasn't a copy of the first one, at least they tried to make it different and it does not have an open ending.

the spitting was a bit weird. but sometimes it did work

it was very intertaining but at no point i was truly blown away.
I'll need to see it again
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Evolution Prime » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:18 pm

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Here is why I didn't mind the "spitting" when punched. I am assuming since these are machine, they may have some sort of hydraulic fluid as apart of some of their systems. It can be explained that some of these hydraulic fluid lines got broken when hit. Of course not all hydraulic fluid is going to be the same color so that can explain that. They could have done with out it but it wasn't a big sticking point with me.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Slagbringer » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:48 pm

I just got back from watching the movie and I haven't read all the reply's to this post but here are my thoughts....I thought the action and main story arch was excellent...but they went over the top and crossed the line with a few things...here are my issues...one there was allot of low brow humor and granted it all wasn't bad like the demolition balls on devistator funny a bit much but still funny...big problem there was way way too much profanity I'm sorry but when one of those twins called the actor a pussy that was way too much I mean come on...and my second biggest problem or I should say 2 and 3 were the twins I mean they were funny in the very beginning as the ice cream truck but I'm sorry when they went out they were blatantly racist to say they were ghetto black is an understatement form the dump looks on their goonies inspired sloth faces to the buck teeth including a cold one on the twin down to the language and that they couldn't read was just insulting....me and my friend agreed that this is a movie that we wouldn't let our kids if we had see...I really think that it would have been a far better film with out all the cursing and most definitely with out the twins....I can see why bay may not be doing the 3rd....I still plan on seeing the Imax version with the extra action and footage but I will try to ignore the twins scenes and cursing and I think that they truly were a virtual slap in the face.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Cyberjet #7 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:57 pm

Autobobby1 wrote:
Cyberjet #7 wrote:- Prime and BB are the only ones who fight. Everyone else is just in the background shooting at things off screen. Ironhide and Arcee deserve better than this.

Sideswipe, the twins, and Ironhide had fights at one point or another.

Cyberjet #7 wrote:- At times it felt like an army recruitment video. Still too many humans saving the day. I get really bored with the same scenes and shots of the good old army boys loading up, talking tech and code, and clicking weapons into place.

Right, because in real life the army would sit back and watch the giant alien robots destroy half of the major cities across the world in the crossfire of their giant war.

Cyberjet #7 wrote:- Sam/Mikeala dialogue. It was more forced and poorly written than the lines in Indy KOTCS. I really don't care who says "I love you" first. That is the last thing I came to see a TF movie for.

Can't help but agree with you there. Most of it made me cringe.

Cyberjet #7 wrote:- No TF character developement. I really don't feel like Bay cared about this one - he just wanted to blow stuff up. Arcee, Sideswipe, Ironhide, etc all just had one or two lines. WTF?

What about Bumblebee? At the beginning of the first film he was only guarding Sam because of the Allspark. The two have grown quite emotionally attached. Plus, Jetfire began as a Decepticon, and by the end he gave his life to help Optimus.

Cyberjet #7 wrote:- Matrix. Next time call it something else. It had nothing to do with Leadership.

It belonged to the Primes, who were leaders.


All those points are pretty weak. True other TFs had fights, but none were centerpiece fights. Yea, sure there were lots of battles - between nameless/faceless characters offscreen. Just because Sideswipe took two second to cut someone in half, that does not make for a "fight". Arcee and co. shot at someone, again not the epic fight caliber seen with BB vs Rampage or Prime vs Megs and co. Sure humans would be very involved with this alien war, but we as the viewer do not need to see everytime Lennox loads a gun, or Epps chats into a radio, or troops run around to various vehicles about to take off - this is still Transformers and not the Army/Navy show. Jetfire with his ten minutes of movie time does not make for "character developement". He didn't come to any large psychological breakthrough that made him a 'bot over a 'con - he just said he worked with the 'cons, didn't like it, and became a 'bot as part of his background; nothing developed in the movie itself. As for the Matrix, it really was our only throwback to the G1 era and like I stated, it had nothing to do with actual leadership - it was just a plot device for them to fight over. The original Matrix actually did something.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Star_ling » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:18 pm

simonightmare wrote:Totally agreed dude.

SPOILERS!!!;

I think they tried to put too much into the movie - a lot was made of the botcount this time round, but when they include decepticon drones [nice nod to the first movie's DS game there though] and a multitude of constructicons with the same alt mode, it's not as impressive. I was annoyed that Sideways was in the movie for about 10 seconds and there were so many great characters that could have been expenaded upon but were given little screentime and no personality.

I also REALLY disliked the twins - mostly because of the lame racial stereotypes [and I thought Jazz was bad...] and goofy heads - if they were less stupid in the face and less over-the-top I'd have liked them to be honest. I also thought this time round Sam's Mom was overdone - in the first one she's just a mother in an effed up situation reacting in a way I think a lot of mothers would, but in this one she's kinda like a schitzo, alcoholic drug user! I found a lot of the humour really crude, and was a little shocked at the amount of bad language for a 12A [and this coming from a guy who swears like a trooper, for real].

I felt a little underwhelmed by it all really, I would have easily forgone 2 or 3 action scenes for more characterisation with the Autobots.

All in all though, I thought it was a slightly above average movie and I'll watch it again with a few friends. The most important thing is a lot of the toys are awesome!


Great minds think alike I guess. Because I totally and utterly agree with every single thing you said. When I went to see it with my 4 brothers the only one who thought the aforementioned jokes were funny were, you guessed it, the 12 year old. I had really had higher hopes for the film and expected that with the darker tone would come more mature story telling, characterization, and better humor. I really wanted to enjoy this more but hey what can you do?
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Terrorsaur_85 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:23 pm

i love it--best movie ever--prime kick some ass too! ****, when he said 'let's roll!' people were clapping and cheering!
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Re: I still have the same complaint from the first movie.

Postby typh0id » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:39 pm

Uh...no I thought the fight scenes in this one were rather good actually...The fight in the forest that centered around Megs and Optimus was very exciting...And you could see all kinds of "damage" occurring so I'm not really sure what your complaint it...
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby nemesis-prime » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:40 pm

Did anyone else notice rampage was red? And did barricade grab sams parents? Did anyone else see bonechrusher? Was there multiple constructicons I saw long haul, and mixmaster and also devastator had them to? Did anyone catch mixmaster cannon mode. I hated how easy the bots died. But over all awsome 5/5. And when will star scream die?
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby YRQRM0 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:08 pm

nemesis-prime wrote:Did anyone else notice rampage was red? And did barricade grab sams parents? Did anyone else see bonechrusher? Was there multiple constructicons I saw long haul, and mixmaster and also devastator had them to? Did anyone catch mixmaster cannon mode. I hated how easy the bots died. But over all awsome 5/5. And when will star scream die?


Yes, I noticed all that. Mixmaster actually showing his gun mode makes me have a greater appreciation for his toy.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Quaternion » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:22 pm

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all in all I enjoyed it, but it didn't meet my expectations (4/5). I LOVED the first movie(5/5). This one was fun but fell just short of the goodness of the first, IMO. If you go see it, only go to see it for the robot fights. You can pretty much sleep through the rest if you want.

Bads:
no plot (well I expected this so I wasnt really dissapointed by it)
almost all robots were part of the background
little or no characterization of robots
way too many extraneous, transitiony shots of nothing to lengthen the film
poor direction and editing
devy was a too easy to kill - letdown
Prime was a sadistic son of a bitch at the end - "i'll take your face."
most of the cons were all copies of each other
And my main fanboy complaint: not nearly enough screen time or lines for the robots! I literally wished the human characters would die. I didn't feel that way in the first film.

goods:
INSANE action
bumblebee kicking Rampage's ass was awesome
all Optimus fighting scenes were awesome.
jetfire was great all around

other mean comments:
Michael Bay is good for making explosions, but that's about it. He had too much control here and took a lot of short cuts. Also, all the kowtowing to the military was annoying since there were way too many shots of random planes just flying nowhere that just screwed up the pacing. And of course the plot sucked worse than the first. Better direction and writing would have done this movie wonders.


And yes, I did see a Bonecrusher just after the protoforms landed near the end - but being that there were multiple copies of the constructicons, it probably wasn't bone crusher.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Judge Deliberata » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:28 pm

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I've seen it twice now. A quick list:

Pros:
-Optimus Prime kicks all manner of ass.
-Much more focus on robots this time through.
-Fight scenes are INCREDIBLE. Heck, breathtaking might be the word.
-Excellent characterization of Starscream. The dynamic between him and Megatron is finally getting explored; It's what we expected from them and did not get the first time. I really hope SS makes a formal power play in part III.
-Agent Simmons made into a likable character? Holy crap!
-Jetfire is damn awesome, and funny.
-Soundwave and Ravage are both great. Here's to more SW in III!
-Scorponok cameo had me cheering for the brief period he was there. :)
-Alice scares me. O_o

Cons:
-Movie DRAGS. What the hell happened with editing? I could have shaved off 45 minutes from it, easily!
-Stupid, inane and immature toilet humor. I don't need to see dogs getting it on, Devastator's 'equipment', or Wheelie humping Mikaela's leg. Neither do the kids who'll be going to this in droves.
-Blatant, BLATANT racism in the portrayals of Skids and Mudflap. Even I felt offended by these two, and I don't offend easily. When people found Jazz getting killed offensive, I wondered where they were coming from. I thought they were being ridiculous. But...these two? It's like they were designed to piss people off.
-Reuse and rehash of prior dead character models and background generics towards the end. Bonecrusher? Blackout nee unnamed "Grindor"? Devastator and the Constructicons being separate but using the same source altmodes?
-Where the HELL is Barricade? Did I miss him? Did they forget him again?

Final score: 6.5/10. Better on a second viewing, but even with the greatly needed shift towards the robots away from humans, it needed some serious time in the editing room, and a lot less of the offensive humor. I'll be happy to own it, but it amazingly falls short of the first. I didn't think that possible.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby nemesis-prime » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:31 pm

Barrricade is only in it for a few secs he grabs sams parents. I felt like the same score was in both movies.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby bumblebeeman » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:46 pm

I loved it, pretty much everything has been said, good and bad and I liked the twins. Some things that kinda made my scratch my head were:

If 40mm Sabre rounds were effective in the first movie, why were they using 5.56mm rounds in the 2nd? If the humans can detect thermal ripples why didn't Bumblebee know there was a decepticon (forget her name, the pretender)in the car with Sam? If the Matrix is a key and not like the G1 Matrix how was Sam revived by the Primes? And what's with the decepticon offspring? Don't get me wrong I really liked the movie but I'm unclear on these questions. I also liked that NEST wasn't just a US unit but had the UK too. I would have been more impressed if they were from all over: Canada, Australia, Japan, Israel, Russian, Chinese, Indian, etc. to show the decepts were a world wide threat. Since I've been to the Air and Space Museum and want to visit the Boneyard I noticed Jetfire's trip. I guess if he can jump himself and everyone to Egypt that the jumped to Arizona from the museum. Overall it did the trick for me. If you don't like Michael Bay, the 1st movie or nitpick then you might not like the movie. Would have liked to see more character in the characters but the violence and cool stuff made me forget about that.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby vulgar_wraith » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:39 am

I loved the movie it was great and went 100 miles an hour and was a fun movie.Only fans are going to bash it because it wasn't like this or that or there favorite character didn't talk.I guess nothing bothers me more than a majority of the fans bashing a really good movie.It doesn't matter who directs it, who writes it or who stars in it most of you will never be happy.To the ones that did really enjoy it nice to have some positivity on the boards.I don't seem to see much of that like I used too these days.

1) Its not G1 its loosely based off G1.I don't want the same story I have heard a million times.Thank god Bay changed it up it needed it real bad.I love g1 but sorry it sucked the story the voice acting all of it.It was only good when we were 5 years old in the 80's.

2)As far as the swearing its PG means there will be foul laungage dont take your kids to PG movies if your worried show them G1.

3)Most complaints I seen were people not understanding the story I understood it the first time.Go see it again if you still dont get it.Then there is no hope for you put your helmet and knee pads on and don't hurt yourself.

4)Character devlopment in any story can only be based on a few characters to have a coherent story line.They picked there handful of characters and thats who got developed some were humans.maybe next movie your favorite will be picked.

Over all it was an excellent movie most normal people will really enjoy.Most hard core geeks wont like anything put in front of them that isnt written and directed by them.(yes before I am told again your allowed to have your opinion but that makes it ok to make a opinion off yours)
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Pontimax 01 » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:24 am

Just saw it on Imax in Cincinnati. Really tired from the hour down and the hour back, and I have to be up for work at 7. So this is gonna be brief.

Loved it. If you just sit back and enjoy and don't try to be all up in it's ass about this and that, it's a damn good movie. My group of 4 really enjoyed it.

I loved that the humans are now better trained and equipped to take care of themselves and deal out their own brand of havoc. It makes sense, in the first one they were just finding out they had these exotic enemies to deal with. 2 years later they've had time to establish methods and bring the right weapons systems to bear. It's always easier to fight something that you've come to understand then it is to fight something the first time and expect good results. Shows the humans can overcome and adapt too.

Loved the protoform 'cons coming in as reenforcements. Kinda confused why a few of them had alt modes after landing and most others didn't(most of which were repeats of Mixmaster, Long Haul, and even Bonecrusher, but I forgive that because seeing Devy was cool, but you also got to see the seperate bots fight as individual units)

Humor didn't bother me. I could take my nephew to that and he wouldn't hear anything he hasn't already heard. What kind of did bother me in terms of taking him was the graphic violence. I swear when I sleep tonight I'm going to see the Fallen's faceless head spewing all that liquid and screaming. Wow, that was kind of disturbing to be honest. Not sure I'm willing to take the 7 year old nephew in for that. But as an adult it was absolutely wild and amazing along with the previously mentioned disturbing.

I'll post more later, but I need sleep.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Skice » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:33 am

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I just saw it today, and I really liked it. I thought it was what the first movie should have been. however it still doesn't beat out Watchmen as my favorite movie this year. The Twins were just too annoying and had way too much screen time. Their screen time could have been filled by better characters like Sideswipe and Jolt. I am glad that the Decepticons got more screen time with this movie. So all in all I would give Revenge of the Fallen an A-, It's not best picture worthy but anyone who expected that out of a Transformers movie is just delusional.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:36 am

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As I said, I loved the movie. I just came up with one think that would gave been great. If Jetfire MUST die, I thought he should have died at the hands (bullets/bombs) of Starscream in an aerial battle. It would have given Jetfire a fine exit and reaffirmed Starscream's status as a badass, even if he's a coward. He's still got mad skills in the air. He was showcased in the first film taking out a squad of Air Force strike planes, this would have been the next logical step, I think.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby First-Aid » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:55 am

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I FINALLY finished reading all the posts. Oyvay...

I am amazed that there are people having issues with the fact that there were multiple Constructicons. It's actually rather simple if you think about it. The vehicles used were common construction vehicles. If they all landed in the same site, there were probably a limited number of vehicles to scan and I'm sure a 'Con isn't going to say, "Screw you! I'm not fighting until I find an alt mode that isn't the same as that guy's!" You take what you can get. So if 20 'Cons landed on a construction site with 5 vehicles that would fit them, then those vehicles would probably get scanned by more than one bot.

I see a mixed bag on the Twins. They were very funny, but they also could be misconstrued as racist. It simply depends on your perception. They could simply have studied (okay, maybe studied isn't the right word) Earth culture and decided they liked one particular part. Like most who are obsessed or trying to be something they aren't they would naturally overdo it and become caricatures of that culture.

I also see Prime getting bashed a lot for his killing of Demolishor. What were they going to do with him? Put him on a ship and send him off planet? What's to prevent him from coming back? He also likely killed or injured dozens of innocent people. Don't you think that would get Prime's oil boiling a little bit? Besides, it's war. For them, it was a way of life. Demolishor would simply have done what he did somewhere else if Prime had spared him. It was closure.

The only thing I'm seeing almost unanimous agreement on is the language and the toilet humor. A little is funny with good timing. The amount in that movie was over the top. I'm not saying it wasn't realistic. Believe me, in combat situations there is FAR worse said. However, for a movie based on a children's toy that was partially aimed at children, it was FAR FAR over the top.

Just a few thoughts for everyone to roll around in their heads. Looking forward to seeing it again for sure as it was a fun ride.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Collectorbot » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:27 am

Well I enjoyed, but only because I took it for what it was - A Transformers movie full of action.

There were a few things that irked me though:

I disliked the twins. Did you notice one of them had exactly the same look as the goofy Gremilin from Gremlins 2? They were a let down and the launguage not needed.

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The robot spitting thing was just stupid, as was Jetfires walking stick/cane. Yes, we know he old, you don't need to ram it down our throats.

Grindor? WTF? Why not just a resurrected Blackout?

Constucticon clones etc - that was just LAZY and really annoyed me.

The travel scale was bit dumbass - they got from Jordan to Egypt pretty quick, and Giza is nowhere near the sea! LOL


The film, and the filmakers, are damn lucky that the film is good enough to ignore these things, and most people won't notice them. I enjoyed it because it IS a fun movie to watch, depsited the niggles.

They took shortcuts, but they got away with it.

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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby spacebridge » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:08 am

I can't believe that anyone who thinks this movie was good is a legitimate G1 fan. That aside, when I see comments like "this is my favorite movie ever", it just boggles the mind. In all seriousness, this is one of the worst movies ever made. Just like the first one (which I actually bought just to show off the capabilities of my blu-ray player and LCD TV), the acting is downright WRETCHED, the character models are way too over-articulated to the point where you can't tell who the hell is who (PS michael bay; super articulation does not automatically equal good character), and the story is just a complete and total flop with so many discontinuities, plot holes, unexplained things, and just sheer lack of creativity in so many scenes ("hey Prime got the matrix" <TELEPORT IN USING MYSTICAL TELEPORT POWER> "I'll take that bye --> this scene, among dozens of others had me wondering "WTF just happened?"

So far, those complaints can be applied to both michael bay movies. Let's expand on the atrocious nature of this film in particular:

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1) The witwicky characters are all just horrible and I didn't think they could get any worse, but this movie somehow managed. The mom - are you kidding me? If anyone on earth thinks anything about her was funny in the slightest, you need your head checked out. Appalling. The dad, meh, whatever, pointless. Megan Fox is also incredibly pointless. "Oh man she's so hot"; sorry, but that's where it ends. Her off-screen personality is really what makes me disappointed that she's even attached to the Transformer franchise. "Oh Transformers are awesome, I'm in the new movie, I love transformers." People like her who wear the transformers franchise tag remind me of the same people that think the best Final Fantasy game ever was FF7. How bad is it when Sam, who is just so bad, actually comes off as the one semi-decent character in this film? And his Mexican roommate - all I've got to say is someone involved with the movie obviously had to get their kid in it somehow. This guy makes Jar Jar look like Boba Fett.

2) The Fallen - the entire concept had fail written all over it. First off, if you're going to build off an old idea, go back a little further than something that originated out of the Dreamwave era, much less something that comes out of a spin-off comic book where Grimlock is a tank (War Within, if I recall correctly). I mean fine, originally an interesting concept, but hardly a character so awesome you make a movie about it. Secondly, if you're going to make Megatron COMPLETELY UNCHARACTERISTICALLY SUBSERVIENT to someone (which is like the most rookie thing you could ever do to Meagtron), at least make the character look intimidating! Unicron was intimidating. The Fallen looked like a complete joke; why mighty Megatron exhibited Soundwave-quality loyalty to an average-sized anorexic transformer that looked like he could transform into a rake is beyond me. And by the way, when Megatron flew from the ocean and ended up on Saturn or wherever the hell it was in two seconds, I thought he flew into the movie "Aliens". I know these are supposed to be "alien" robots, but I think bay is closer to the Alien movies than he is to the Transformers franchise.

3) Prime saying "got any last words" and then blasting a helpless transformer in the face. Yeah, that's the heroic Prime I grew up with. I had to laugh at this part thinking to myself, "I seriously wonder if whoever wrote this has ever even seen an episode of transformers." Again, way to completely undo a character trait that has been prevalent for the last quarter century.

4) The twins. Man, I don't even need to expand on this because it's obvious, but all I'll say is to the few people trying to say they liked them, oh please, stop kidding yourselves. A transformer calling a human a pussy... who the hell left that in? And I thought Jazz died in the last one, but apparently his personality chip is inserted in every new transformer. You know, I talk to people about this sort of thing so often - when I have a kid, I'm not going to let him/her watch any cartoons except all the 80's stuff like transformers, g.i. joe, voltron, he-man, ninja turtles, smurfs, care bears, etc. You know why? Because every modern day cartoon/movie is plagued with "Yo dog, chiggity out my ipod, word up, yo true dat, pimp dat yo" ghetto-esque nonsense. The twins in this movie were a prime example of that crap. Seriously, go watch a couple of newer cartoons or movies then compare it to something like the 80s transformer movie - the old stuff has a sort of "classiness" and sophistication to it that has been snuffed out by this modern day "style over substance" garbage.

5) OK so you finally got Frank Welker in this one... and you STILL MANAGE TO SCREW IT UP!!! For the love of God, why the hell could you just not let him do the ORIGINAL SOUNDWAVE VOICE!!?? Instead, you have him do the unsynthesized version, which is basically just Doctor Claw. So bravo michael bay for once again managing to evoke classic nostalgia - unfortunately I didn't come to see a transformers movie to remember the good ole days of Inspector Gadget.

6) "Alice". Ok, yeah he even managed to throw the Pretenders in there - but who are we kidding, there's a reason the Pretenders were the beginning of the end of the original toy franchise - it's because the Pretenders sucked. That aside, they especially suck when all you do is rip off the movie "Species" [Anyone ever get the idea that bay has no originality whatsoever?]

7) Constructicons. Admittedly, one of the things that actually got me excited about the film. And what an incredibly botched concept that turned out to be. One of the best things about the G1 constructicons was that they had outstanding personality - all of them and even Devastator himself. To be honest, I didn't understand what the hell was going on with these things at all, especially when they were in Devastator form yet somehow fighting elsewhere in individual robot mode (and not just later on, I'm talking back to back scenes). One of the few things that I thought was cheap about the original cartoon were the hordes of Insecticon clones or Scourge clones (or Seacon clones if you ever watched Masterforce)- always thought it was the ultimate lazy way to be able to let characters get killed without actually losing any characters. It's extremely disappointing to see that the movie did this with not only the Constructicons, but also with the Decepticons in general. Now there are just tons of them that get squashed at every interval - even the first movie avoided that cheapness. And the Devastator components not even having their own individual robot modes? What the hell, that was never even a concept with transformers. In fact, that was Voltron! Overall, Devastator looked like a completely incapable ignoramus, and I began to question his awesomeness the second I saw him getting beat up by "the twins" (a battle that seemed to have a scene missing or something, since one second it's making it look like the twins are going to do something big, then the next clip they're gone and Devastator is awkwardly climbing a pyramid king kong style). And let's not forget "oh look where the balls are placed, scrotum, oh I get it haw haw haw! Also, I was excited to hear Welker "voiced" Devastator, until I realized that meant nothing more than doing the grunting noises that weren't even discernible among the consistent sound of grinding metal.

8) How do we destroy Devastator? Oh yeah, insert ultra magical mystical top secret "Rail Gun". Yeah, it doesn't have to be Shakespeare, we're just here to sell toys anyways. Seriously, these have to be the worst writers of all time. What is it that qualified these goons to write for this movie over any average transformer fan that would NO DOUBT do a better job? And transformers franchise aside, how about movie script writing in general? Here's the mindset this entire endeavor has been plagued with: "don't worry about super crap story, audience pay attention to big shiny robot."

9) All of a sudden humans own Decepticons with M16s. And I'm talking, own them perhaps more so than even the Autobots do. In fact, I'm now wondering why the humans even felt the need to keep the Autobots on earth. I mean, when Soundwave enhanced the antennae (PS: I only found out it was Soundwave after reading these forums - when I saw it in the theater, I thought it was Megatron because you can't tell any of these damn things apart) and The Fallen announced to the world that if they didn't turn over Sam the Decepticons would conquer earth, the response from the people of earth should have been resounding laughter. I mean, all it takes is a small army unit that can go head to head with the entire Decepticon army, much less a gun that can destroy Devastator in a single shot.

10) The matrix, something that I always thought was pretty cool, was turned into something utterly pathetic. I've come to realize that when you hear about something that was once cool making it into this movie series, you should actually be worried about how bad it will be ruined.

11) Okay, Wheelie. Yes, it's oh so important for Wheelie to be put in the movie, and ironically enough he was one of the things in the movie that was actually not too terrible. When I was trying to figure out who the hell this transformer was supposed to be, the voice almost made me think it was Rumble, even though it was a little too mafioso. But in all honesty, if it were Rumble, it would almost cause you to think "oh man, they actually kind of almost got this one right a little", but of course not. Me Wheelie say terrible michael bay. But this made me think a little about the voice casting in general. If some transformers can talk like this, or the twins, or whatever, what was the big problem not letting Welker do Megatron, or even letting Welker do Soundwave's voice properly? It seems like we're anal retentive voice casters on one side of the coin, and on the other side it's like, "oh just do whatever, who gives a ****."

12) Speaking of voices, I don't understand the Bumblebee thing. Didn't his voice get fixed at the end of the last movie? Yet all of a sudden he has to communicate through the radio again? Was that such an awesome concept to whoever that they thought to themselves, "oh man, we should never have given him his voice back, this is cool and we're onto something. Ah screw it, we'll just carry on and hopefully people won't remember or care." And i can't exactly remember what it's from, but this "speak through radio clips" thing has already been done. Maybe I'm thinking of Wreck-Gar? Anyways, it's not original, but at this point what do you expect. Also, referring to Bumblebee as "B"... incredibly annoying, especially when it's said over 100 times in a one minute scene. "We really want the audience to know that it's okay to call him "B"." Thanks, got it.

13) Quick, we've already butchered combiners, pretenders, threw a half-baked version of jetfire in there that doesn't make any sense, what else can we half-ass real quick to sell an extra toy? I know! How about Powermaster Optimus Prime! ugggh...

14) And finally, the one aspect of the movie that I actually really liked. I thought Ravage was great. He moved like he used to, he crept around like he used to, he had his guns in the right spot. Hell, he even ejected from Soundwave! Too bad Bumblebee kills him with like zero effort, and just on the side while he's busy fighting someone else. And the whole time I was looking forward to Soundwave getting in the fray a bit more, but I'm not sure if he died or what.

That's it. I know there are countless other things I'm leaving out, but I'm too tired to think at this point and quite honestly I just want to forget I even paid to see this monstrosity. In fact, I feel like watching the cartoon movie or some old episodes or something just to get this bad taste out of my mouth. In fact, this is the first time I have posted here or even read through these forums and I just had to vent some of my frustrations at the ruining of this once fantastic franchise. I saw way too many adorning responses on here and felt the need to vocalize what I thought would be the obvious dissent that I can only hope a lot of other old school transformer fans were experiencing. Just because something has the label "Transformers" on it does not automatically make it worthy of praise, and the more undeserved adulation is conveyed, the longer we're going to be stuck with garbage. Michael Bay is the single worst thing that has ever happened to the transformers franchise and I can only pray that the rumors about him not wanting to work on another one are true. If there is a third one, hopefully it's from someone with a lot more creativity and appreciation for nostalgic justice. And hopefully they can get a real writer like David Wise or Flint Dille and properly reboot this thing from scratch.

Just one final thing. I see many of you saying "oh it's not for die hard Transformers fans, if you're a Transformers fan you're going to be disappointed, otherwise it's great." Well my question is to those people saying that, if you're not a fan of transformers to an elevated extent, why would you even be on this site? You know, I like cupcakes just as much as the next guy, but I'm not about to create an account on the Betty Crocker website and start blogging about them.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Collectorbot » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:36 am

Have to agree with your point about small arms taking out Decepticons with ease.

A 5.56mm M4 should have no effect on a massive alien robot, hence the need for he SABOT rounds in TF1
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby pleasedeleteme » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:54 am

First-Aid wrote:I FINALLY finished reading all the posts. Oyvay...

I am amazed that there are people having issues with the fact that there were multiple Constructicons. It's actually rather simple if you think about it. The vehicles used were common construction vehicles. If they all landed in the same site, there were probably a limited number of vehicles to scan and I'm sure a 'Con isn't going to say, "Screw you! I'm not fighting until I find an alt mode that isn't the same as that guy's!" You take what you can get. So if 20 'Cons landed on a construction site with 5 vehicles that would fit them, then those vehicles would probably get scanned by more than one bot.



In "The Veiled Threat" novel, the Autobots took on some clearly Constructicon-type robots at an Australian minesite. So this would support the notion of multiple Constructicons as well.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby pleasedeleteme » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:59 am

spacebridge wrote:
12) Speaking of voices, I don't understand the Bumblebee thing. Didn't his voice get fixed at the end of the last movie? Yet all of a sudden he has to communicate through the radio again? Was that such an awesome concept to whoever that they thought to themselves, "oh man, we should never have given him his voice back, this is cool and we're onto something. Ah screw it, we'll just carry on and hopefully people won't remember or care." And i can't exactly remember what it's from, but this "speak through radio clips" thing has already been done. Maybe I'm thinking of Wreck-Gar? Anyways, it's not original, but at this point what do you expect. Also, referring to Bumblebee as "B"... incredibly annoying, especially when it's said over 100 times in a one minute scene. "We really want the audience to know that it's okay to call him "B"." Thanks, got it.



He got caught up in a firefight between Starscream & Wreckage, and lost his voice AGAIN. That's if you follow the "Alliance" comic book (which is at odds with "The Veiled Threat" novel).
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:17 am

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Maybe the Decepticons installed some kind of antifreeze fluid system so they wouldn't get frozen again, that could explain the spitting.
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Re: just finished watching ROTF

Postby Flare » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:23 am

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Hehe, finally I finished reading all the posts! I enjoyed the movie because I expected it to not be accurate to the G1 I grew up with in 1985-86. I was expecting it to be very new in it's storyline and direction. I loved seeing the character play between Starscream and Megatron. It brings back all my fond memories of the good ol' days. But I didn't care for the "Fallen". He's not threatening enough to scare G1's Megatron into servitude. The true Megatron would only pretend to serve if he feels he has to for survival. But true to the name he would be waiting for just the right time to betray as he tried with Unicron. That subservient Megatron was a sham. I did come to adore Wheelie, his personality reminded me so much of G1's Rumble. So glad he's been completely made over, no more rhymes. :APPLAUSE: I wish they would have shown him more towards the end. Hehe, seeing him swear allegiance to the "Warrior Goddess" was so cute. I would love to see him around Mikaela again if there is a TF3 in the future. Did they put out his Toy Trunk yet? I'm not sure if they have or will but he would be great as a remote control/transformable toy trunk.

Thinking back on the movie I did think there was somethings that need not be seen. I feel bad that little kids are going to have to see them. Now why did we have to see the dogs humping, and it wasn't just one time, they made sure we saw it two times? And then we have to endure the horror of seeing Simmons's a$# wearing a thong as well? Pot brownies? Devastator testicles? The humor is getting lower and lower in class I think. It's a little over done. I don't mind seeing Wheelie humping Mikaela's leg because he is a Decepticon and well.... with him it's just cute. And they should have ditched Leo he's a huge waste of film. They should have used his screen time for more scenes up close with Arcee or even give Devastator some more fight scenes with other Autobots. That would have been worth the film. But over all I can't wait to see it again at an IMAX theater somewhere near me. The one closest to where I live isn't playing ROTF. :-(
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