The Energon Pub

[NightFall]

I really loved the twins

[Razor_Raid]

I thought the overall experience was great.
But when you start to think on it, that's when it all starts to fall apart.

What bothered me was that the college scenes could have been entirely removed, and not had any impact on the movie at all.
That time could have been used so much better elsewhere.

And the twins. Ugh. I'll leave it at that.

[spacebridge]

What I hate about spacebridge's post is him questioning me and others a legitimate G1 fans because we loved the movie. I pretty much shut it down after that point and took the rest of their post as uber-fanboy talk on how this movie ruined his childhood. Please...

I knew there'd be some snotty A-holes that would go after me - you know, the type of TRUE super fanboys that convince themselves to like something no matter what just because it has a Transformer tag on it. I'll admit, I'm a pretty big fan of G1, and when you rip off all the names, similar models, concepts, and even get some of the original voice actors like Cullen and Welker, well hell, how could you NOT expect more, especially since a live action version of this stuff (or god video game while we're at it) has never been made? My main gripe is with totally wasted potential.

But a more interesting point, are you that easily appeased with dog humping, pot brownies, leg humping, robo-scrotums, etc? Well then you must be 4 years old. Not only do I question your G1 fandom (no one who finds the aforementioned s**t humorous can be old enough to have even experienced G1), but if you truly, legitimately think this was a good movie, you have absolutely no taste in movies whatsoever. You probably rate Superbad right up there with Lord of the Rings Casablanca, and while we're at it, probably consider the dollar menu at Burger King 5 star dining. At least you sound like a cheap date.

Hopefully this was pithy enough so you didn't "shut it down". I'll try to post some links to boogers or poop next to retain your attention.

[Evolution Prime]

What I hate about spacebridge's post is him questioning me and others a legitimate G1 fans because we loved the movie.

Who is this 'spacebridge' person?

Is he someone I should know or care about? Has he contributed anything to the fandom other than his opinion?

It doesn't matter if contibuted or not and I wouldn't even call that an opinion with a blanket statement like that. If he and others want to bash the movie, so be it. I have no problem with it. What I have a problem with is blanket statements by him and others like "you're not a a true G1 fan/transformers fan if you liked this movie." That is the garbage I hate. Flaming others and laying garbage statements like that is not called for. I haven't seen "you're a dumbass if you hate this movie" statements bashing those who didn't like it, but they feel the need to interject that statement into their posts. They think Bay ruined their childhoods and obviously if you didn't think so too then obviously you aren't a true fan of Transformers. They need to get over themselves. I liked the movie they didn't.

[La Goutte]

No big deal man, you liked that movie? no problem if you don't expect much!

One good thing about this movie: it put the Transformers franchise on the map again, maybe not in a good way, but what can I do. The Transformers are alive, and nobody can blame it.

[Counterpunch]

Hi.

Counterpunch here.

Name calling etc will get you an infraction.

Guess who isn't playing around one single bit on the movie forums about this kind of thing?

Your choices are:

A. Counterpunch
B. All of the above

If you're new, review the rules. If you've been around, you know better.

[NightFall]

spacebridge, I hear ya, but chill out. I'm a huge G1 fan, but I enjoyed the movie too. No reason, to belittle others because they liked a movie. I'm sorry some people here can't understand you, just ignore them, and don't sink to their level in insults. G1 isn't ruined, it's alive and well. IDW comics wouldn't kick ass without them. Okay, ...have a beer. I don't think G1 fans would ever stop loving G1, so be happy on that. No big Hollywood movie would ever take away old school G1, ever. Again nothing against you, just be happy. Peace.

[Evolution Prime]

But a more interesting point, are you that easily appeased with dog humping, pot brownies, leg humping, robo-scrotums, etc? Well then you must be 4 years old. Not only do I question your G1 fandom (no one who finds the aforementioned s**t humorous can be old enough to have even experienced G1), but if you truly, legitimately think this was a good movie, you have absolutely no taste in movies whatsoever. You probably rate Superbad right up there with Lord of the Rings Casablanca, and while we're at it, probably consider the dollar menu at Burger King 5 star dining. At least you sound like a cheap date.

Get over yourself guy. If you would have taken the time to read my thoughts on the movie, you would have seen that I didn't care for the sexual humor, Dev's equipment, the Twins, etc, but I wasn't going to let any of that ruin the movie for me. Things could have been better, sure, but this is supposed to be a giant action flick. Thats what I went in there looking for and thats what I got. I wasn't going in looking for some giant masterpice with an indepth plot, riviting dialog and character development up the wazoo. If you want that go watch Lord of the Rings or something similar. I wanted bot on bot action, destruction and stuff blowing up and that is what I got. It was a good movie from what I went in looking for. If you went in looking for some Oscar worthy movie and performances, then yes, you were going to be sorely disappointed. But questioning mine and other G1 fanhood and makeing other dumb blanket statement reeks of super fanboy who didn't get what they want.

[Rodimus Prime]

Yeah I had a problem with Ironhide getting no screen time either.

But the action was great, it was better than all of the comic book movies I have seen, including the Dark knight and Iron Man. Until now, I considered The Rock the greatest action movie of all time, but now I'm not so sure. I might still be under the influence, but RotF might overtake that distinction. It was nonstop awesomeness.

[spacebridge]

What I hate about spacebridge's post is him questioning me and others a legitimate G1 fans because we loved the movie.

Who is this 'spacebridge' person?

Is he someone I should know or care about? Has he contributed anything to the fandom other than his opinion?

What is this even supposed to mean? Am I not free to express my genuine opinions about a Transformers movie on a Transformers website of all places? To be here am I supposed to pay you a pittance or something? Okay, just forward me your PO Box address and I'll send you a set of Combaticons or something, or whatever the hell "dues" you're implying I have to pay to be recognized as viable member of this conglomerate of sophistication.

[NightFall]

Ya, G1 isn't gone, the movie killed it somewhat, but so did Armada, etc., but G1 is immortal, it will always be here.

I like the sexual humor, and the twins, ... guess I'm easy for a cheap laugh..

[kirbenvost]

Man, it took me awhile to find this thread...

I had to stop reading everyone else's reviews, too much negativity. XD

Overall, I think it was pretty good. Better than the first. There was more action and the action was better, the story was more gripping, more Transformers, etc. Ravage was really awesome, as was Soundwave. Megatron & Starscream's dialogue as well, very G1-esque. I liked how Bumblebee was more badass (holy crap did he own Ravage!), and the relationship between him and Sam was shown. Prime was more badass too, and Mikaela actually seemed a bit more like a real person instead of a stereotypical skanky girl (except for that gratuitous scene on the bike). Mostly good stuff. Oh yeah, and Simmons was totally cool this time around.

But there's a bunch of bad stuff too. Most of the new TFs didn't get much characterization... Jolt, Sideswipe, Arcee, Sideways. They mostly just show up for a few scenes and that's it. Sideways got owned 2 minutes in! I was pretty disappointed with that, mainly because I like the toy.

The Twins were absolutely ridiculous, I hated them. They could have traded a lot of their screen time for some more worthy 'Bots. Wheelie was okay but his accent was kind of lame, and the concept that he could be tamed by Mikaela was kind of dumb. He's a freakin' robot with weapons, for god's sake.

Then there's the amount of crude humor. Okay, a couple dirty/gross jokes here or there are fine (we all lol'd when BB sprayed Alice and Sam went "IT'S IN MY MOUTH!"), but jesus, did Devastator really need balls? And the language was kind of foul too, but not super bad I suppose. Sam's mom was pretty annoying and immature too, but I guess I can let that slide, some people have crazy parents.

My biggest complaints story-wise, were Megatron's subservience and the use of the Matrix Of Leadership. No one summons Megatron, as was already mentioned by someone else. :p And the concept that the Matrix was a key to activate a machine able to destroy suns seemed to go against everything the Autobots stand for, even if it was explained to be their power source.

Now there's a few things I'm 50/50 on. Jetfire was not Jetfire at all. At the same time, he was kind of cool despite the silly accent. Alice I'm not sure about. I'm not sure if the concept sits well with me, but at the same time, it was kind of cool. Oh, and while it was awesome that they used Welker for Soundwave, they should have made him sound more like G1. Because that was the point for using Welker, was it not? It's like Bay's never even seen G1. I think there was other stuff but I can't remember now.

Basically it was a pretty good movie, with awesome action, a more exciting story, and a lot of flaws. Still worth the price of admission, and I will certainly buy the DVD. If we're rating by numbers I guess I'd give it 7/10.

[NightFall]

What I hate about spacebridge's post is him questioning me and others a legitimate G1 fans because we loved the movie.

Who is this 'spacebridge' person?

Is he someone I should know or care about? Has he contributed anything to the fandom other than his opinion?

What is this even supposed to mean? Am I not free to express my genuine opinions about a Transformers movie on a Transformers website of all places? To be here am I supposed to pay you a pittance or something? Okay, just forward me your PO Box address and I'll send you a set of Combaticons or something, or whatever the hell "dues" you're implying I have to pay to be recognized as viable member of this conglomerate of sophistication.

No, people just want to be respected here. As you do too. Have your opinion, but don't attack others because they have a different one from yours. Or start an opinion with an attack. Dude, just start over. Hi, I'm NightFall, my fave G1 character is Starscream, how do you do?

[Rodimus Prime]

G1 is immortal, it will always be here.

Preach, preacher!

I like the sexual humor, and the twins, ... guess I'm easy for a cheap laugh..

The Twins were funny, but they could have done without Devastator's balls and Wheelie's leghumping.

[NightFall]

Man, it took me awhile to find this thread...

I had to stop reading everyone else's reviews, too much negativity. XD

Overall, I think it was pretty good. Better than the first. There was more action and the action was better, the story was more gripping, more Transformers, etc. Ravage was really awesome, as was Soundwave. Megatron & Starscream's dialogue as well, very G1-esque. I liked how Bumblebee was more badass (holy crap did he own Ravage!), and the relationship between him and Sam was shown. Prime was more badass too, and Mikaela actually seemed a bit more like a real person instead of a stereotypical skanky girl (except for that gratuitous scene on the bike). Mostly good stuff. Oh yeah, and Simmons was totally cool this time around.

But there's a bunch of bad stuff too. Most of the new TFs didn't get much characterization... Jolt, Sideswipe, Arcee, Sideways. They mostly just show up for a few scenes and that's it. Sideways got owned 2 minutes in! I was pretty disappointed with that, mainly because I like the toy.

The Twins were absolutely ridiculous, I hated them. They could have traded a lot of their screen time for some more worthy 'Bots. Wheelie was okay but his accent was kind of lame, and the concept that he could be tamed by Mikaela was kind of dumb. He's a freakin' robot with weapons, for god's sake.

Then there's the amount of crude humor. Okay, a couple dirty/gross jokes here or there are fine (we all lol'd when BB sprayed Alice and Sam went "IT'S IN MY MOUTH!"), but jesus, did Devastator really need balls? And the language was kind of foul too, but not super bad I suppose. Sam's mom was pretty annoying and immature too, but I guess I can let that slide, some people have crazy parents.

My biggest complaints story-wise, were Megatron's subservience and the use of the Matrix Of Leadership. No one summons Megatron, as was already mentioned by someone else. :p And the concept that the Matrix was a key to activate a machine able to destroy suns seemed to go against everything the Autobots stand for, even if it was explained to be their power source.

Now there's a few things I'm 50/50 on. Jetfire was not Jetfire at all. At the same time, he was kind of cool despite the silly accent. Alice I'm not sure about. I'm not sure if the concept sits well with me, but at the same time, it was kind of cool. Oh, and while it was awesome that they used Welker for Soundwave, they should have made him sound more like G1. Because that was the point for using Welker, was it not? It's like Bay's never even seen G1. I think there was other stuff but I can't remember now.

Basically it was a pretty good movie, with awesome action, a more exciting story, and a lot of flaws. Still worth the price of admission, and I will certainly buy the DVD. If we're rating by numbers I guess I'd give it 7/10.

Exactly, absolutely true

P.S. I guess it's a guilty pleasure of mines to love the twins and all that lol!

[NightFall]

Rodimus Prime, ... so I did good? I heart Rodimus.

[spacebridge]

But a more interesting point, are you that easily appeased with dog humping, pot brownies, leg humping, robo-scrotums, etc? Well then you must be 4 years old. Not only do I question your G1 fandom (no one who finds the aforementioned s**t humorous can be old enough to have even experienced G1), but if you truly, legitimately think this was a good movie, you have absolutely no taste in movies whatsoever. You probably rate Superbad right up there with Lord of the Rings Casablanca, and while we're at it, probably consider the dollar menu at Burger King 5 star dining. At least you sound like a cheap date.

Get over yourself guy. If you would have taken the time to read my thoughts on the movie, you would have seen that I didn't care for the sexual humor, Dev's equipment, the Twins, etc, but I wasn't going to let any of that ruin the movie for me. Things could have been better, sure, but this is supposed to be a giant action flick. Thats what I went in there looking for and thats what I got. I wasn't going in looking for some giant masterpice with an indepth plot, riviting dialog and character development up the wazoo. If you want that go watch Lord of the Rings or something similar. I wanted bot on bot action, destruction and stuff blowing up and that is what I got. It was a good movie from what I went in looking for. If you went in looking for some Oscar worthy movie and performances, then yes, you were going to be sorely disappointed. But questioning mine and other G1 fanhood and makeing other dumb blanket statement reeks of super fanboy who didn't get what they want.

You know what, I'll give you that. I suppose my point wasn't really to "insult" G1 fandom and for that I'll apologize (let's be honest, in the grand scheme of life, robot toys aren't that big of a deal and it's nice to see people that enjoy a similar concept, regardless of what iteration it may be). Like I said before, I don't hang around many people who know much about G1 and have never been to transformers forums at all really, but this movie was lousy enough for me to actually join up, merely just to get some stuff off my chest that the typical non super-fan movie goer wouldn't understand. Whether you agree with me or not, I could care less, but hopefully we are at least speaking the same language. Try explaining the concept of the Constructicons or Autobot Matrix of Leadership to some dude sitting next to you at the bar and they'll just look at you like you're insane.

But anyways yeah, no harm intended, just trying to gauge some responses from actual Transformers fans. And I have no problem with the dollar menu at Burger King either, the crispy chicken sandwich is awesome

[NightFall]

"....Try explaining the concept of the Constructicons or Autobot Matrix of Leadership to some dude sitting next to you at the bar and they'll just look at you like you're insane."- Spacebridge


Yup! Thank god for forums and Botcons! People think I'm nuts when I talk about Transformers at work or anywhere.


P.S, I have horrid grammar.

[kirbenvost]

Oh, and I forgot to mention, the Decepticon hood ornament was so totally awesome. I want one.

I also liked Devastator except for the balls, and I didn't mind that he got owned by a railgun. It was all pretty epic.

One more thing, the Twins had a single redeeming moment, the scene with Devastator where the red one (don't know his name, don't care ) almost gets eaten but blows half his face off. That was pretty sweet.

Which brings me to another 50/50. Robot 'gore'. And spit. It was a little gratuitous, but at the same time it makes sense. Well, the spit, not really. And maybe Prime was a bit too brutal.

[NightFall]

Yup the movie is and has too many wonderful moments, I'm glad I watch it!

P.S, Should we have felt ashamed looking at Devastator's balls? Just there, dangling in front of our faces,..lol!

[Rodimus Prime]

Oh, and I forgot to mention, the Decepticon hood ornament was so totally awesome. I want one.

Damn I forgot! The Mack truck had the Decepticon face on the bulldog! That was cool.

I also liked Devastator except for the balls, and I didn't mind that he got owned by a railgun. It was all pretty epic.

I thought they misused him. Yeah, his purpose was to destroy the pyramid, but he got his ass kicked by 2 idiotic midgets. Kinda takes away from having "balls of steel."

One more thing, the Twins had a single redeeming moment, the scene with Devastator where the red one (don't know his name, don't care ) almost gets eaten but blows half his face off. That was pretty sweet.

Yeah, that was redeeming for the Twins, but totally discrediting Devastator's menace.

Which brings me to another 50/50. Robot 'gore'. And spit. It was a little gratuitous, but at the same time it makes sense. Well, the spit, not really. And maybe Prime was a bit too brutal.

Hmm...well, I had no problem with anything they did with the robots in that regard. i just love them being on the big screen.

As for Prime being brutal, I'm split on that one. Prime is supposed to be compassionate. It's his main characteristic. However, for every instance he was brutal, i can list some good reasons.

Aaginst Demolishor:

As someone already said, if Demolishor was allowed to live, he would have just returned to cause more damage. However, Prime exectuting could have been avoided if it was Ironhide who did it, right after saying "Punkass Decepticon." Ironhide got no screen time.

Forest fight:

I have no problem with him fighting to the death and killing Grindor, because he had to protect Sam at all costs.

The end fight:

No problems there either, the Fallen had to be destroyed, and of course, though doing some serious damage to him, Prime did let Megatron live. He could have killed him, but after killing the Fallen, i think the point was made.

[Evolution Prime]

Its cool. I respect the opinions of those who thought it was a crappy movie, I just thought questioning people G1/Transformers fanhood over it was a bit over the top. I liked it, you didn't. We peoplably went in looking for different things out of it. I agree they could have done a lot better with things outside of all the action. I wasn't going to get worked up because who didn't get face time, plot discrepancies, and average acting because that is why I wasn't there. I wasn't trying to bash you because were probably there looking for something different than I was and thats okay with me. Heck I'm the only one I hang out with that know jack about TF let along G1. My finacee got a tank top with G1 Decepticons on it and she had no idea who the three characters even were. My 8 y/o son could even do that.

I completely understand you wanted it to get things off your chest about what you disliked about it, but coming on one of the largest TF fansites and within your first couple posts question fandom and such, isn't going to get you much respect out the gate, or even anywhere for that matter. Even, if someone like me who has been here for 5 and a half years and did that, I would probably get bashed too. The point CP was trying to make that we are all fans here and in the big scheme of things, our thoughts and opinions don't matter.

No worries, I have no problem with you as a poster, just that initial statement.

[T-man5000]

I watched Tranformers: Revenge of the Fallen on the opening night(12pm). I really enjoyed the movie. But there's some things that I thought that could have improved the movie.

1. The Comedy was a bit overboard. It was bit too much for me.
ex. When Sam's mom ate the "Brownies" and The dogs humping each other.
Don't get me wrong, I like funny scenes in action, but most of the perverted or drug humor were unnecessary.

2. Language was a bit of an issue. The movie had definitely more swear words than the previous movie. I thought they used it when they didn't need to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the part where Sam is in a comma because of Megs, I think Megan Fox said the f-word. I'm not trying to be picky, but that was one of the examples. And May I also remind that there are kids watching too.

3. The main problem I had was the Character Development. I think Bay was getting lazy with this. The only characters that you know their personalities are O. Prime, Megs, Starscream, BB, Jetfire, The Twins and wheelie. I think the Bay and/or the writers should work on robot quality rather than robot quantity. I don't even know half of the Con names or the new autobots. I only remember seeing Jolt 2 times, on the highway and when he was combining Jetfire and O.Prime. But seriously, why couldn't they take time off from those boring college scenes and introduce the new Transformers? And also, where was Barricade and what happened to Wheelie.

But other than that, the CGI was amazing. Action was plentiful and rich. The Forrest scene was the high light and the Megs and Starscream relationship was right on G1. Surprisingly the Twins were bearable and Wheelie turned out to be and enjoyable character. Prime kicked @$$ . Although my expectations weren't fully reached, I thought it was a good movie. I could pick out many things I disliked, but I took It as a summer blockbuster flick, and I thought it was worth my money. All in all, the movie was great fun and filled with action. To me, the movie wasn't better than the first film, except the action. I'm going to probably buy the DVD and its worth watching again in theaters.

[blitzgeek312]

Hey guys, I just went to see ROTF and OMG! What was that?! I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it. There were a whole lot of unnecessary language and many sexual scenes that DID NOT need to be there. Wheelie was HUMPING MEAGAN FOX'S LEG! What the crap is that? Devastator was a totaly different character than the Constructicons. Alice the sexual Decepticon that looked like a human girl, was all over Sam! Micheal Bay totally screwed this movie up. It was over the top, there was not much story line, and also the battle scenes were WAY to confusing. However the robots were awesome, whoever made up some of the characters should direct the movie. BAY SHOULD BE FIRED! HE SCREWED UP MY MOVIE! He better shape up and make Rise of the Dinobots (ROTD) better or else he will be hated. ROTF did not live up to my expectations! P.S. Micheal Bay is the DEVIL!

[Neko]

I went into this knowing full well what I was gonna see. I left my brain at home and was able to enjoy the movie for what it was.

I liked it. It was entirely what I expected...and more. (Devastator balls? Ugh...but I still giggled).

There were parts where I cringed, but overall I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Which, in case people have forgot, is the point of watching a movie. To have a good time.

I'll probably go see it again this weekend.