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Postby Ra88 » Thu May 05, 2005 3:59 pm

That weapon isn't exactly original, but it sounds cool as hell! :D Should be fun implenting it into the comic. :wink:

Oh, and Cybertron's supposed to come out somewhere in between May and July.
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Postby MetalSamamon » Thu May 05, 2005 7:28 pm

Ra88 wrote:That way the "final battle" could take place in the Iris, and thus let it end where it all began.


:P Oooh! Poetic Justice! Very nice.

Quick question: Any plans on when the "final battle" shall take place, I mean what comic #? Also, will there be something like a Vol. II or an Armada/Energon-style transition into a new series that follows in Transtopia's footsteps?

Just wondering. If you don't know, that's O.K.
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Postby Gryphman » Fri May 06, 2005 1:01 am

I think it might be split into two parts.

Part 1: Reformers vs. The Machine
Part 2: Decepticon invasion.

After that it could possibly go in a new direction. Maybe jump ahead a few hundred years like Beast Wars did?
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Postby Iskander » Fri May 06, 2005 2:36 am

Gryph wrote:I think it might be split into two parts.

Part 1: Reformers vs. The Machine
Part 2: Decepticon invasion.

After that it could possibly go in a new direction. Maybe jump ahead a few hundred years like Beast Wars did?


Since we are all sharing possible future storylines, I'll do it myself; this idea started with a repaint my girlfriend did some time ago (it's in the gallery as Napalm). When I send the pics for the gallery, I called him "one of the lost insecticons", and from that phrase I thought; what if a long time ago the insecticons where his own TFs race? and the ones we know are just the few of them that remained in Cybertron and joined de Decepticons?

So in my mind I created The IsectiQueen, the leader of a giant swarm of all kind of insecticons that travel the universe consuming one planet at a time and leaving them all but dead wastelands.

Now imagine this menace attacking planet Transtopia, IMO that would inmediately force an alliance between the Reformers and The Machine, it could be our own Unicron-level space menace; and we can make some more beast/insect customs to rest from all the vehicle based customizing.
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Postby Ra88 » Fri May 06, 2005 4:12 am

Now THAT's an idea I like! And perhaps it could tide in with the Decepticon invasion? But instead of an "invasion", rather a Decepticon commando/terrorist group that's bombing the various cities?

And another idea: What if the Insecticon Horde is lured towards Transtopia by the activation of the monuments? Cause the Vok made those in case Eternus went mad, and they thought that the planet was doomed when that would happen. Result: A beacon that works like honey to bees, and erasing all traces of Transtopia from the face of the galaxy.
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Postby Pepie » Fri May 06, 2005 4:45 am

woah there are some awesome ideas unvolving here !
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Postby AZRAEL009 » Fri May 06, 2005 7:32 am

let's through some more chaos in, how about the true final battle be power/mad crazy Eternus in a mental/astral battle with the original Eternus right after he wins/loses
then after that battle ends it cuts to a scene of him in a kneeling position, eyes fiercely glows, he stands ,then falls
with a narrative voice saying " WHAT STARTS WITH ONE ENDS WITH ONE" or "WITH THE RISE OF A GOD IS THE FALL OF THE GOD", then zooms in on his face and the eyes just shine so you don't know if he's dead or his spark is just emmiting all extra energy,
dreamt it up 15 min ago
it could be a temporary end until the second saga of Transtopia or the true end use it how you like
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Postby Iskander » Fri May 06, 2005 9:53 am

Ra88 wrote:And another idea: What if the Insecticon Horde is lured towards Transtopia by the activation of the monuments? Cause the Vok made those in case Eternus went mad, and they thought that the planet was doomed when that would happen. Result: A beacon that works like honey to bees, and erasing all traces of Transtopia from the face of the galaxy.



That'd be a nice way to tie the two stories together :) .
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Postby Gryphman » Fri May 06, 2005 10:11 am

I'd prefer it be a real invasion. It's got two purposes. One is to get back all of the decepticons Eternus took with him. The other is to take the planet's rich suply of energon. Besides, since when do decepticons do anything subtle? :P
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Postby Lord_Loqi » Fri May 06, 2005 10:12 am

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Postby MetalSamamon » Fri May 06, 2005 10:12 am

Gryph wrote:I think it might be split into two parts.

Part 1: Reformers vs. The Machine
Part 2: Decepticon invasion.

After that it could possibly go in a new direction. Maybe jump ahead a few hundred years like Beast Wars did?


:D :D Alright! These are some great ideas! I can't wait to see them in the comic!

I was wondering, when the final battle sequence is finished, could I start work on the Transtopia: Revisited storyline/spinoff series that I had first propostioned on April 11th?

Here's the link to it:
http://www.tfmaster.com/forum/viewtopic ... 4218#24218

It's like everyone's story-creating brain cells just kicked into overdrive. Amazing! :P

Thanks,
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Postby Ra88 » Fri May 06, 2005 12:06 pm

AZRAEL009 wrote:let's through some more chaos in, how about the true final battle be power/mad crazy Eternus in a mental/astral battle with the original Eternus right after he wins/loses
then after that battle ends it cuts to a scene of him in a kneeling position, eyes fiercely glows, he stands ,then falls
with a narrative voice saying " WHAT STARTS WITH ONE ENDS WITH ONE" or "WITH THE RISE OF A GOD IS THE FALL OF THE GOD", then zooms in on his face and the eyes just shine so you don't know if he's dead or his spark is just emmiting all extra energy,
dreamt it up 15 min ago
it could be a temporary end until the second saga of Transtopia or the true end use it how you like


Sounds pretty good, but I was more thinking about this for a final battle: It's all Reformers versus Eternus, and they go all out on him while Aegis tries to get to the keys in the throne to active the totems. The Reformers are getting scrapped, and then Eternus goes after the old Micron, impaling him on his sword. But just as he does, Aegis manages to activate the totems. The next moment a rift in space is opened, and both of them disappear into it, leaving the road open to a possible later return. Or maybe Eternus gets blasted into deep space by the beam, and Aegis disappears Obi Wan style. Oh well, plenty of time to figure that out.

Gryph wrote:I'd prefer it be a real invasion. It's got two purposes. One is to get back all of the decepticons Eternus took with him. The other is to take the planet's rich suply of energon. Besides, since when do decepticons do anything subtle? :P


Hold on, what about this idea: The Decepticon fleet, led by Shockwave or a new character, positions itself around Transtopia. They bombard the planet, but the Iris generates a worldwide shield that absorbs the blasts, gendering power for the planet since the oil moon has been taken over by the cons. While the cons keep bombarding the shield, they send a small commando team down to the surface by finding a TF-sized hole in it, and they try to destroy Transtopia from the inside out by blowing up the important buildings and killing the high ranking Transtopians. Hell, the Insecticon storyarc could follow it when the Transtopians start noticing that for some strange reason, the fleets are being destroyed one by one.

Oh and Metal Samamon, you can start that crossover line if you like, but only if you follow these rules: NO obvious changes in the storyline (like bombing a city), no interaction (only cameos) with the cast, save for the Delphinia Sisters. Oh, and if you DO want to make a storyline altering scene, then ask Iskander, me or a different future writer if it's OK. That way we can monitor the changes, and implant it into the comic.

Oh yeah, since it's kinda hard for Josh to keep drawing several issues, how about a fanfic series accompanying the comics? That way we can use the comics for the important storyarcs, and the fanfics for the smaller ones, or evolved subplots (like Shuriken's history and her change from assassin to medic, for example).
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Postby Iskander » Fri May 06, 2005 1:40 pm

Ra88 wrote:Oh yeah, since it's kinda hard for Josh to keep drawing several issues, how about a fanfic series accompanying the comics? That way we can use the comics for the important storyarcs, and the fanfics for the smaller ones, or evolved subplots (like Shuriken's history and her change from assassin to medic, for example).


Exactly what I was thinking, a Transtopians Stories Anthology book, and we can make a cover an convert it to .pdf or other formats.

It's like we are having all the stuff a Tfs line has: the toys, comics, books...now all we need is our own animation series :D
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Postby Lord_Loqi » Fri May 06, 2005 1:43 pm

Iskander wrote:
Ra88 wrote:Oh yeah, since it's kinda hard for Josh to keep drawing several issues, how about a fanfic series accompanying the comics? That way we can use the comics for the important storyarcs, and the fanfics for the smaller ones, or evolved subplots (like Shuriken's history and her change from assassin to medic, for example).


Exactly what I was thinking, a Transtopians Stories Anthology book, and we can make a cover an convert it to .pdf or other formats.

It's like we are having all the stuff a Tfs line has: the toys, comics, books...now all we need is our own animation series :D



While I could, I have no intent on animating a series of this on my own, nor for free. If you wanna commision me, we'll talk :lol:
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Postby Iskander » Fri May 06, 2005 1:51 pm

Lord_Loqi wrote:While I could, I have no intent on animating a series of this on my own, nor for free. If you wanna commision me, we'll talk :lol:


:lol: Believe me, if I had the money you'd be working on it already :D
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Postby Gryphman » Fri May 06, 2005 6:18 pm

I really want the initial attack to be completely by surprise.

After the first attack from space, Eternus could activate the shield after the first few squads land for the ground attack. That would trap the ground troops on the planet untill they can deactivate the shield.

I would like Gryph's squad have at least one issue focus on them. While the main troops are attacking the city, they're mission is to find Panzer. Once they find him there's gotta be a fight showing just how badass Panzer and Gryph are when they fight together.

Regarding the insecticon thing. I think jumping ahead is a really good idea. By that time, transtopia could be rebuilt. We could use the BW and BM insects to make them. Since they won't really be based on earth insects, we can make some really crazy stuff with them.
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Postby Ra88 » Sat May 07, 2005 9:04 am

Maybe Panzer can deactivate the shield? Because Eternus will be gone at the end of the first storyarc, and maybe let him return later on.

And about that one issue focus, doubt it's going to happen. Josh's time is limited, so we have to make the most out of the issues. They can have a couple of pages focus, with the other pages focussing on the defense.
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Postby MetalSamamon » Sat May 07, 2005 11:18 am

Ra88 wrote:Oh and Metal Samamon, you can start that crossover line if you like, but only if you follow these rules: NO obvious changes in the storyline (like bombing a city), no interaction (only cameos) with the cast, save for the Delphinia Sisters. Oh, and if you DO want to make a storyline altering scene, then ask Iskander, me or a different future writer if it's OK. That way we can monitor the changes, and implant it into the comic.

Oh yeah, since it's kinda hard for Josh to keep drawing several issues, how about a fanfic series accompanying the comics? That way we can use the comics for the important storyarcs, and the fanfics for the smaller ones, or evolved subplots (like Shuriken's history and her change from assassin to medic, for example).


I like that second idea! It sounds really good, and can explain things that maybe couldn't be in the comic series.

As for my sub-series, I was planning on making take place during the actual Transtopia war, but I can always change the plotline to make it work for whenever. Anyways, this is what I had in mind for Transtopia: Revisited:

*One quick note: Bear in mind that this is a crossover of TF: Cybertron Revisited and Transtopia. Also, TF: CR was a continuation of TF: Crisis, and TF: Crisis was a continuation of TF: RiD and a crossover with Digimon: Season 2. Now I know right away you're going to say, "No way in h*ll!" But please, the storyline is straight forward, continuations really don't mean anything, and digimon only play a minor background role. As a matter of fact, they're never even mentioned.

A small band of Transformers that had survived the end of TF: Crisis decided to search the galaxy for surviving Transformers. They homed in on Cybertronian energy signatures coming from a distant planet near the edge of the galaxy. There were plenty of them, but they were altered. The crew of the ship couldn't figure it out, and decided to investigate.

When the came to the planet, they immediately opened a hailing frequency to announce their arrival and intentions, but all they got back was laser fire. Their leader, a female Digimon-Transformers hybrid called TPH-13, was baffled by this, but decided to try to find a way to stop this attack and tried to locate a landing strip on the surface. Just then, Starburn flew up to them and greeted them. After a brief exchange of "hellos", Starburn directed them down to the surface. They released the rear of the ship, and secretly made their way to the surface undetected while the rear section was destroyed, and viewed as the whole ship being destroyed.

After landing, Starburn introduced them to the rest of the Reformers. TPH-13 asked if any of them would like to join the crew of the Finality and search of other Transformers, but Whirlwind respectfully declined, stating that he needed all of the bots he could spare to fight the Machine. TPH-13 told Whirlwind that she couldn't help them, but she couldn't leave either since the front of the ship was only an escape pod, and wasn't fit for space travel. Whirlwind agreed to help rebuild the ship if the crew would promise to come back when the war was over and live in peace together as a united Transformers race. TPH-13 gladly accepted, and they quickly began repairs.

But, Eternus was no fool. Although at first he thought the ship was destroyed, one of his generals reported seeing a trail of smoke coming down from the sky. He knew right away that they had survived, and sent his generals along with Delphinia to investigate and destroy these troublemakers. He knew that this could turn the tide of the war against him, and he would let nothing like that happen!

After a brief battle at the crash site, it appeared that the Reformers were able to force the generals to retreat. In truth, Delphinia, being a spy and all, fought alongside the Reformers, and told the generals that she would take care of the ship and the newcomers, and the generals went back to Machine HQ and lied to Eternus about the ship's destruction. He bought it, and went on to other business.

Delphinia told TPH-13 that her and her crew couldn't stay there, and that if they wanted to leave with their lives, that they should go now while Eternus attention is elsewhere. TPH-13 thought that Delphinia was a Reformer, and decided that was a good idea. And so, with great speed and precision, they finished the repairs on the ship and left during the night. Delphinia was happy that these beings were trying to establish peace here and everywhere, and that was her reason for helping TPH-13 and her crew escape. Then she returned to Machine HQ; Eternus none the wiser as to what had transpired.


I was planning on it being more integrated and more involved in the actual plotline of Transtopia, but I don't want to change the storyline at all. Thanks, and tell me what you think.

Also, if I was going to do this, I have to write up the end of TF: Crisis and the TF: Cybertron Revisited storyline. So, I just posted TF: Crisis Vol. IV in the Fan Fiction topic, and I will post more as I get it done. Thanks.
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Postby Gryphman » Sat May 07, 2005 11:32 am

I didn't mean total focus. Just more on them than the other decepticon soldiers. Maybe it could cut between the main fight, and a page or two of them a few times. Show that there's stuff going on besides the main battle. Their segments could have more of a covert mission feel. Breaking into the building he's in and such.

I also thought of a good way to end the Decepticon sotryarc. I'll pm it to you. I want it to be a secret. Hehe.
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Postby Iskander » Sat May 07, 2005 11:44 am

"No way in h*ll!" :lol:

Really MS, I think if you want to make this crossover, I think the only way would be to make your characters come from an alternate universe, you have RiD characters and Digimons (DIGIMONS :x ), and the Transtopians story takes place in the same universe than de G1 Dreamwave comics (relating through the "Great Shutdown" event).

Apart from that you just need to follow Ra's rules: NO obvious changes in the storyline (like bombing a city), no interaction (only cameos) with the cast, save for the Delphinia Sisters; otherwise you can end altering the characters like with your following idea:

MetalSamamon wrote:Whirlwind agreed to help rebuild the ship if the crew would promise to come back when the war was over and live in peace together as a united Transformers race. TPH-13 gladly accepted, and they quickly began repairs.


I really can't see any of the reformers proposing this other bots to come back and live in peace as a united Transformers race, they aren't exactly peaceful good guys, they are revolutionaries, and his main enemy wants to "live in peace together as a united Transformers race".
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Postby MetalSamamon » Sun May 08, 2005 2:48 pm

Iskander wrote:"No way in h*ll!" :lol:

Really MS, I think if you want to make this crossover, I think the only way would be to make your characters come from an alternate universe, you have RiD characters and Digimons (DIGIMONS :x ), and the Transtopians story takes place in the same universe than de G1 Dreamwave comics (relating through the "Great Shutdown" event).

Apart from that you just need to follow Ra's rules: NO obvious changes in the storyline (like bombing a city), no interaction (only cameos) with the cast, save for the Delphinia Sisters; otherwise you can end altering the characters like with your following idea:

MetalSamamon wrote:Whirlwind agreed to help rebuild the ship if the crew would promise to come back when the war was over and live in peace together as a united Transformers race. TPH-13 gladly accepted, and they quickly began repairs.


I really can't see any of the reformers proposing this other bots to come back and live in peace as a united Transformers race, they aren't exactly peaceful good guys, they are revolutionaries, and his main enemy wants to "live in peace together as a united Transformers race".


Yeah, I realize now that sounds kind of fishy. I may need to alter the storyline a little bit. Maybe the crew of the Finality could join the Machine, and fight the Reformers instead. I'll get more indepth as I think of a new storyline for Transtopia: Revisited.

As for the Digimon/Alternate Universe thing, that's why I always thought of this series as my own "personal" Transformers storyline. I knew that everyone in the TF community either wouldn't understand the reasoning behind Digimon crossover or would totally hate the idea.

If I'm going to do a crossover, I think that I'm going to have to explain the background of the story. Otherwise, it just won't make sense with the G1/Great Shutdown storyline of the Transtopia series.

If you want to know the reason behind the Digimon, well, here it is:

I had figured out a way a while back to tie in all of the Transformers alternate universes and confusing, misleading storylines and series together. But in order to do this, I needed a background character who would be a time-traveling, all-knowing, non-Transformer who could explain things from a non-Transformer point-of-view.

At the time I thought up this, I was watching my 2 favorite T.V. shows, TF: RiD and Digimon: Season 2. A Digimon seemed like the perfect character to use for the tie-in figure.

So, I created MetalSamamon. He was a special Digimon with the ability to mode change (a.k.a. transform), and the ability to create life (a.k.a. new Transformers for Crisis storyline). If you read Crisis: Vol. IV (which I posted yesterday in the Fan Fiction fourm), he explains why he chose to get involved with the Transformers. And so, with MetalSamamon's help, he ties RiD, Machine Wars, Mutant Beast Wars, Primeval Dawn, Wreckers, Universe, G1, G2, Transtopia, War Within, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Transtech, TF-PreHistory (Those Microman toys that became G1 figures like Optimus, etc.), Crisis, Cybertron Revisited, Epochs Of Cybertron, & Femme Force (the last 4 were mine) all together. He also explains why some figures were only in Europe, some only in Japan and others in the U.S.A. by tying them into the storyline.

So, this was I guess just my own little fan fiction that would help to tie-in to the "Great Tie-In" that MetalSamamon had created.


So, I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my story idea, and if you want, I'll rewrite it so it ties in with G1 only (and no Digimon background).

Please let me know, and I hope you understand and aren't angry with me for my choice in background storylines.
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Postby Iskander » Sun May 08, 2005 4:12 pm

What if to avoid all these continuity problems, you just go ahead and write a whole new story without the "crisis" stuff, you can write a short story about Delphinia's origins, for example.

I must confess I still don't like the crossover idea too much, sorry :( the whole point of the Transtopians project is to be the more original we can and a crossover isn't the best idea for that objective IMHO.

Apart from that, personally, when I think of Digimons, they mostly remember me of some more kiddie stuff, like Pokemon, Beyblade and that kind of things.

And by the way I'm not angry at you MS, just trying to keep the project consistent :D
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Postby MetalSamamon » Sun May 08, 2005 4:21 pm

Iskander wrote:What if to avoid all these continuity problems, you just go ahead and write a whole new story without the "crisis" stuff, you can write a short story about Delphinia's origins, for example.

I must confess I still don't like the crossover idea too much, sorry :( the whole point of the Transtopians project is to be the more original we can and a crossover isn't the best idea for that objective IMHO.

Apart from that, personally, when I think of Digimons, they mostly remember me of some more kiddie stuff, like Pokemon, Beyblade and that kind of things.

And by the way I'm not angry at you MS, just trying to keep the project consistent :D


Well said. I get what you mean. This is an orginial concept and series, and is supposed to crossover with actual exsisting TF continuations as little as possible.

So, with that in mind, I will take your advice and do a sub-series that explains Delphinia's origins. This will work out well because I can explain the whole "astral plane" thing, her ability to combine, and Delphie's original personality.

Thanks for the idea, and check out my current WIP pics. I need advice!!!
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Postby MetalSamamon » Tue May 10, 2005 7:01 pm

Hey!

I know that I kind-of suck at making custom figures, but I want to try my hand at doing another figure.

I've got Delphinia on the back burner due to lack of a material that casts clear.

So, I was thinking that maybe I could do another figure in the meantime. If anyone is against this, please let me know. It's nothing final yet; just an idea.

I was thinking of naming him Merceron, and have him be a Vok emissary made from a Tigerhawk figure (ironically). I have many ideas for him, and I would like to try this toy (even if he's not in the comic).

Tell me what you think. In the meantime (tonight), I'm going to start on it. I'll post WIP pics if I have them ready in the morning. Thanks,
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Postby Pepie » Wed May 11, 2005 3:29 am

promising! But please mind >> no beast figures! :wink:
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