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Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Tramp wrote:No, that was the hispanic who was evaced. The guy with glasses was impaled and thrown a good fifty feet or more by Skorponok. If the impalement hadn't killed him, the flight did.

I agree he SHOULD have died. No way can anyone survived that.

But i just didn't see him die. They all came back to the location where he was impaled, and he was still alive.

Maybe i could have missed a scene after that. He could have died shortly afterwards or on the evac chopper.

If i may add, it's possible the short scene when he actually died, could have been cut out of the film in our place. Our cinemas usually do that. Cut out the gory part or any insignificant part, to shorten the film, and fit into the screening schedules.

No, he wasn't, and no, they never went back. They were running for their lives and went directly to the town where the rest of the battle took place, and the rest of them except for Epps and Lennoix were killed. The hispanic is the only other one to "survive" and he was gravely wounded. He was the one Epps and Lennox took with them on the evac. He died on the way back.

That's exactly what i meant. They went back to somewhere in the town. Not the military base.

Auto Bot wrote:That's exactly what i meant. They went back to somewhere in the town. Not the military base.

The guy with the glasses was not killed in town. He was killed before they even got to the town. The rest were killed in the town battle, mostly be Skopook's rocket fire and plasma blasts. The Evec pikced Epps and Lennox up from the town right after the battle, and they only took the wounded Hispanic guy with them. None of the others survived.

Since many of you seen mr glasses die in the same way, that's enough to convince me that i should be wrong.

I may miss some details. Or the cinema may have cut out those short scenes. Dam cinema!

Anyway, several pairs of eyes can't be wrong.

Auto Bot wrote:Since many of you seen mr glasses die in the same way, that's enough to convince me that i should be wrong.

I may miss some details. Or the cinema may have cut out those short scenes. Dam cinema!

Anyway, several pairs of eyes can't be wrong.

I am mainly convinced the guy with the glasses died (as i have only seen the movie once) because these scene really stuck out for me. Usually the black guy always dies first, and i distinctly rembered the guy with the glasses due to his comical response to the radio tower falling over behind him.

So when i saw him killed by scorpie, by being impaled, i was like "WOAH! The black guy didnt die first for once, but instead it was the nerdy looking white guy!"

Sonray wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Since many of you seen mr glasses die in the same way, that's enough to convince me that i should be wrong.

I may miss some details. Or the cinema may have cut out those short scenes. Dam cinema!

Anyway, several pairs of eyes can't be wrong.

I am mainly convinced the guy with the glasses died (as i have only seen the movie once) because these scene really stuck out for me. Usually the black guy always dies first, and i distinctly rembered the guy with the glasses due to his comical response to the radio tower falling over behind him.

So when i saw him killed by scorpie, by being impaled, i was like "WOAH! The black guy didnt die first for once, but instead it was the nerdy looking white guy!"

Exactly. What's really interesting is the the "black guy" doesn't get killed at all. He survives the entire movie. The ones who got killed were the guys played by real-life Navy SEALs.

Tramp wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Since many of you seen mr glasses die in the same way, that's enough to convince me that i should be wrong.

I may miss some details. Or the cinema may have cut out those short scenes. Dam cinema!

Anyway, several pairs of eyes can't be wrong.

I am mainly convinced the guy with the glasses died (as i have only seen the movie once) because these scene really stuck out for me. Usually the black guy always dies first, and i distinctly rembered the guy with the glasses due to his comical response to the radio tower falling over behind him.

So when i saw him killed by scorpie, by being impaled, i was like "WOAH! The black guy didnt die first for once, but instead it was the nerdy looking white guy!"

Exactly. What's really interesting is the the "black guy" doesn't get killed at all. He survives the entire movie. The ones who got killed were the guys played by real-life Navy SEALs.

Yeah, it made a nice change.

*sighs*

The guy with the glasses: DEAD. (Scenes were cut down to secure a PG-13 rating.)

Fig (Hispanic): DEAD. (Mortally wounded during Scorponok's attack on the village, died on the Evac. We see a part of this scene in the trailers and commercials where Lennox is holding his hand on the plane. Cut for the PG-13 rating.)

Bonecrusher destroying the bus, and the people on it: DEAD. (There were people on the bus, otherwise he'd have never attacked it. 1.) He threw cars with his claw, and people were in them at the time. 2.) If nothing else, the bus driver was on the bus, therefore he did kill at least one person on the bus, but you know full well that the bus was full of people. Quit deluding yourselves. Don't be stupid, use common sense and figure it out. Because he killed so many people...Prime got pissed. Prime yanked out his sword and decapitated Bonecrusher for it.)

*cries* just watch the damn movie or look at stills and you'll see. If you can't figure it out from that simple act, then you're oblivious to facts right in front of your face and you shouldn't be operating a vehicle or other heavy machinery.

EDIT: BTW...here's a simple fact all of you seem to be missing. Of course there were people on the bus (at least the driver) and in the cars...THE CARS WERE F*CKING MOVING ON THE HIGHWAY! THEY DON'T DRIVE THEMSELVES! OF COURSE THERE WERE NO PEOPLE IN THE VEHICLES WHEN THEY FILMED IT BECAUSE IT WAS A STUNT AND PEOPLE WOULD'VE BEEN KILLED! FACT REMAINS THAT ON PAPER AND IN THE STORY....PEOPLE WERE IN THE VEHICLES! EVEN IF THERE WASN'T A SINGLE ACTOR OR STUNT PERSON DURING THE FILMING! THEY'RE NOT GOING TO KILL PEOPLE SO YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF REALISM!

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! OPEN YOUR FRIGGIN' EYES! IT'S COMMON SENSE!!!!


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Tramp wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Since many of you seen mr glasses die in the same way, that's enough to convince me that i should be wrong.

I may miss some details. Or the cinema may have cut out those short scenes. Dam cinema!

Anyway, several pairs of eyes can't be wrong.

I am mainly convinced the guy with the glasses died (as i have only seen the movie once) because these scene really stuck out for me. Usually the black guy always dies first, and i distinctly rembered the guy with the glasses due to his comical response to the radio tower falling over behind him.

So when i saw him killed by scorpie, by being impaled, i was like "WOAH! The black guy didnt die first for once, but instead it was the nerdy looking white guy!"

Exactly. What's really interesting is the the "black guy" doesn't get killed at all. He survives the entire movie. The ones who got killed were the guys played by real-life Navy SEALs.

Instead, they killed the black Transformer.

JazZeke wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Since many of you seen mr glasses die in the same way, that's enough to convince me that i should be wrong.

I may miss some details. Or the cinema may have cut out those short scenes. Dam cinema!

Anyway, several pairs of eyes can't be wrong.

I am mainly convinced the guy with the glasses died (as i have only seen the movie once) because these scene really stuck out for me. Usually the black guy always dies first, and i distinctly rembered the guy with the glasses due to his comical response to the radio tower falling over behind him.

So when i saw him killed by scorpie, by being impaled, i was like "WOAH! The black guy didnt die first for once, but instead it was the nerdy looking white guy!"

Exactly. What's really interesting is the the "black guy" doesn't get killed at all. He survives the entire movie. The ones who got killed were the guys played by real-life Navy SEALs.

Instead, they killed the black Transformer.

I was going to say something like that, but stopped when i realized he wasnt the first TF to die...wait....was he? I cant remember now...

Autobot032 wrote:*sighs*

The guy with the glasses: DEAD. (Scenes were cut down to secure a PG-13 rating.)

Fig (Hispanic): DEAD. (Mortally wounded during Scorponok's attack on the village, died on the Evac. We see a part of this scene in the trailers and commercials where Lennox is holding his hand on the plane. Cut for the PG-13 rating.)

Bonecrusher destroying the bus, and the people on it: DEAD. (There were people on the bus, otherwise he'd have never attacked it. 1.) He threw cars with his claw, and people were in them at the time. 2.) If nothing else, the bus driver was on the bus, therefore he did kill at least one person on the bus, but you know full well that the bus was full of people. Quit deluding yourselves. Don't be stupid, use common sense and figure it out. Because he killed so many people...Prime got pissed. Prime yanked out his sword and decapitated Bonecrusher for it.)

*cries* just watch the damn movie or look at stills and you'll see. If you can't figure it out from that simple act, then you're oblivious to facts right in front of your face and you shouldn't be operating a vehicle or other heavy machinery.

EDIT: BTW...here's a simple fact all of you seem to be missing. Of course there were people on the bus (at least the driver) and in the cars...THE CARS WERE F*CKING MOVING ON THE HIGHWAY! THEY DON'T DRIVE THEMSELVES! OF COURSE THERE WERE NO PEOPLE IN THE VEHICLES WHEN THEY FILMED IT BECAUSE IT WAS A STUNT AND PEOPLE WOULD'VE BEEN KILLED! FACT REMAINS THAT ON PAPER AND IN THE STORY....PEOPLE WERE IN THE VEHICLES! EVEN IF THERE WASN'T A SINGLE ACTOR OR STUNT PERSON DURING THE FILMING! THEY'RE NOT GOING TO KILL PEOPLE SO YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF REALISM!

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! OPEN YOUR FRIGGIN' EYES! IT'S COMMON SENSE!!!!


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Amen, but calm down.

I just wanna say though....there probably WAS stunt drivers in those cars...there had to be. If you notice the roofs never cave in when they hit the ground or when they roll. Thats because there is a hidden rollcage inside to protect the driver. The cars couldnt be towed as the towline would get caught up when the cars are flipped, and endanger the towing vehicle and its operators. And remote control is too expensive and time consuming.

Remember the freeway chase in the matrix reloaded? Remember when that agent jumped from the police car, onto that other cars hood which made it flips up into the air? There was a driver in that thing beleive it or not.

So all those flipping cars we see in Transformers must have stunt drivers operating them. And id imagine the Bus even had someone in it too, but with something that size it is more likely it was being towed.

No, the bus had a stunt driver. The back end had a remote in it to make it turn sideways as the explosives inside went off, but the front was driven by a stuntman in protective clothing.

Tramp wrote:No, the bus had a stunt driver. The back end had a remote in it to make it turn sideways as the explosives inside went off, but the front was driven by a stuntman in protective clothing.

That makes sense, i figured it had to be some sort of rig like that cos the pyrotecnics wouldnt have done that much damage to the bus, it certainly wouldnt rip in half like that.

Driver in the front controlling the vehicle, rear wheels are controlled by some other device to steer those wheels to the right when explosives go off Then Bang, kick ass wreck on the freeway. I cant wait to see that **** happen without the CGI Bonecrusher in the background. Hopefully the dvd extras will be kind to us.

Wel, the explosives were specifically set up to rip the buss in half. a special remote emchanism was designed to make the rear of the bus turn in a certain direction then flip so that it would look like the bus had been body-checked by Bonecrusher.

Tramp wrote:Wel, the explosives were specifically set up to rip the buss in half. a special remote emchanism was designed to make the rear of the bus turn in a certain direction then flip so that it would look like the bus had been body-checked by Bonecrusher.

Yep, precisely.


Me and you should be stunt coordinators my man! haha.

Okay lets start with the on topic question. Personally I didn't find it that amusing. More like "Okay great he peed on him" not the sort of thing I saw Bumblebee doing. I would have found it funnier if Jazz had "accidently" turned on the subwoffers that he has in his sound arsonal and totally shook up Simmions. Consider the fact that Prime already had them freaked out, the whole peeing thing did nothing for the scene. I would have honestly laughted if Jazz freaked Simmons out with some music, and it would be in character.

As for the issues with the movie itself, I have to agree with Autobot on this. So much could have been left out. Fact is that Bay felt this movie should just be like all his other action movies. He claimed that he based the soilders after G.I. Joe, here's the problem with this. I can't even remember the names of the guys I'm supposed to be rooting for. So much screentime and I can only characterize Sargent Epps. What does that say? Kinda depressing. He insisted after they cut Arcee to have more military stuff. For what? To blow up things? Again detracting from the main story which was about the Autobots and the Decepticons racing for the allspark.

Regarding the Hackers, you could have combined them all into Chip Chase and had him do basically what Maggie and Glen did. And he may have been a far more interesting character. Had they been smart they could have had Hound working with Bumblebee and being an army vehical to keep an eye on the military installments. If the bots know the Cons are there, having BB just there didn't make sense. Oh and for the record the reason we had all those goverment scenes in there was due to Bay feeling that it was too kidde without them.
-_- Exactly what does that mean? The idea of a robotic civilwar where a hidden war and hostile and non hostile beings are crashing onto earth is kidde? Since when is the idea of war kiddie?

Oh and here's something important to think about, at the end...there were a total of six soliders at the start, I might be off by this, there may have been seven, but as I recall we saw three and three in the opening shot, and I believe that there was Six by the end too.

As for sector seven, I found Simmons annoying and I always thought that what would have made sense was to have Marissa Fairborn as the head of the sector and not have Megatron be the tech base for everything.

(Grand Bay's already developing a new chraracter as an aircraft carrier. Isn't Broadside one of those? Why do we need a new one?)

First off, there has been no official word from Bay or anyone involved in the production that said the military characters were based off of GI Joe. Just the opposite. They were based off of the real military Special Operations, AKA Navy SEALS, and Army Green Berets. Bay actually used real Navy SEALS as the team as well. And worked with the US DoD to make sure that the military was presented in a realistic (and favorable) light. Also, the involvment of the military was very realistic. They were not GI Joe. Why more military stuff? Simple, because if Earth was indeed invaded by a hostile alien force, do you honestly think the US military would sit on the side-lines and let another, alien forc etake care of the "bad Guys"? Hell no! They would be fighting back with everything they had, and try to find their own way to beat the invaders. Without the Military, the Autobots would have lost because they were outnumbered and out matched by sheer size and firepower(the Decepticons, saze Barricade and Frenzy, are all larger and more heavily armed than any of the Autobots, save, maybe Prime, and even he is dwarfed by three of the 'Cons), and without the Autobots, the military would have been slaughtered. They needed each other to beat the Decepticons.

The female Autobot Arcee was cut as they had little time to explain robotic gender.[29] Bay expanded the military storylines,[34] as he considered the first draft "too kiddie",[32] and based the soldiers on G.I. Joe.[35]

http://boards.transformersmovie.com/sho ... count=4533 -Robert Orci on the Transformers message board.

The other one comes from an article for Sepcial Effects. Fine and great about the military, but don't forget that it was only a specialized team that did it, not the whole army. I just felt that a lot of that could have been cut down to make room for more Robot development.

Yeah the guy with the glasses died, but everything else Auto Bot has said is on the money. The sector Seven and military stuff was excessive and overly hammy, and if the aim was to make me give a **** about the human characters it really did fail. If Government Organization like S7 were to exist it should be shut down immediately for not knowing its arse from its elbow, they were beyond inept. Giant robots from another planet? OK I can get on board with that, Agent Simmons a total buffoon as a super secret elite government agent? Nah I really cant suspend my disbelieve that far.

Yours AK

GI Joe was Robert Orci's inspriration for Lennox and his team, not Michael Bay's Michael Bay based them on real military.

Arcee was also removed from the movie because Bay wouldn't know how to put a female robot in a film, according to wikipedia.

Tramp where has he said he based them on real military? I'd like to see it, becuase the guys from the movie are nothing like the guys that I've met that are in the military, and I have family that was both in the army and the Navy. So please do show me where he's indicated or specified that the military was designed after the US Army.

Night Striker wrote:So please do show me where he's indicated or specified that the military was designed after the US Army.

Oh he did, many, many times. The sad fact is Bay just isn't very good at or bothered about portraying anything accurately or realistically.

Yours AK

Night Striker wrote:Tramp where has he said he based them on real military? I'd like to see it, becuase the guys from the movie are nothing like the guys that I've met that are in the military, and I have family that was both in the army and the Navy. So please do show me where he's indicated or specified that the military was designed after the US Army.

As Alex put it, there are too many to go through, all of the atricles which he has stated this can be found in the news archives here on this site. To me, they protrayed the military pretty realistically, and I was in the Army for four years, many moons ago. Aparently, the DoD felt he protrayed the military well enough. He has been klnown to have a great rapport with them, which is apparently one of the reasons why he was chosen as Director. They needed military involvment and he has one of the best rapports with the military in Hollywood because he protrays them realistically and, most importantly to them, in a favorable light.

Tramp wrote:he has one of the best rapports with the military in Hollywood because he protrays them realistically and, most importantly to them, in a favorable light.

I don't know if I agree with the former but I certainly agree with the later. To portray something realistically you should show the bad with the good, I found Bays portayal of the US Military rather onesided.

Yours AK

i just saw the movie agin and seeing it a second time it not so desturbing.