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Phategod1 wrote:I don't know the Political system of sweden, or the Minority rate but do you think that Sweden could have a Black political leader.

I believe in Sweden, people vote for their favorite political party. The largest political party then elects a president. Many European and S. American countries also share this model.

Loki120 wrote:

Phategod1 wrote:

Autobotcity wrote:You could also consider WHY those taxes needed to be raised in the first place. And the answer is...


I agree with Ironhidensh about the rephrasing of the question.

I think, that a lot of Americans aren't ready for it, true.

I do however, think that the majority of the Americans would be okay with it, but would be surprised if it happened. I also think there's a good chance that because of that last thing (surprise if it happened), they would not as easily spend their vote on someone they would like in office, but think he wouldn't make it to due to the racism of others, then if both candidates were white. :/




That said, I honestly don't care if it's Obama or Hillary Clinton in the white house. Thing is, with Hillary comes Bill and Bill has a LOT of connections with great political influence and there's a lot of goodwill towards him. Obama can't use that influence, Hillary would be able to use it.

Do you think it would hurt or help If say she was his running mate. or do you think there are too many people who blame Bill Clinton for Unemployement and would transfer those feelings to Hillary.

I don't believe ol' slick would even be able to run as a VP. I'll have to research it a bit more, but I believe that because if anything were to happen to Hillary, Bill woulddn't be able to take over as President. There may even be a couple of other factors as well.

BTW: I wouldn't judge Hillary for Bill, but she has her own reason for why I wouldn't vote for her.

Would Bill even need to run as a VP? Electing Hillary is like giving the keys to the oval office back to Bill. It's like getting the two of them for the price of one.


People like change. In the end, they will vote for someone to bring new change. What are the most important issues? How should they be changed? Who is the best at convincing us they can achieve it?

Well looking at who was awarded Speaker of the House(Pelosi), Her biggest issue so far has been trying to get a bigger jet for her and her cohorts. The system is flawed. Kinda makes you wonder if the Confederacy wasn't such a bad idea. Smaller governments would probably benefit the people better except if one state had say, money issues they could regress to to status of third world. That would be bad.
I too have figured that Hillary winning would put Billy back in the White House. He would be First Man. He kinda makes me think of Billy Kincaid from Spawn, only with sex. That would be just as degrading for the country. It's unfortunate almost all our political leaders are degenerates, liars and finks.

One thing is for sure. America will not elect a republican this time around. The only reason Bush won a second is because the dumb democrats sent horseface Kerry to bat instead of Gore for a second round. Any "Black" President will be better than Hellary. Any Woman President will be better than Hellary. I'm not color blind physically, just mentally. The only reason there has not been a "Black" President yet is because there was not a good candidate. I think Obama has a great chance. I am a registered Independant, but I have never voted for a democrat, because of certain core democrat beliefs. I will probably vote for Obama if he wins the Primaries. I am a "White" male age 29.

Transtopias Rodimus Prime wrote:One thing is for sure. America will not elect a republican this time around. The only reason Bush won a second is because the dumb democrats sent horseface Kerry to bat instead of Gore for a second round. Any "Black" President will be better than Hellary. Any Woman President will be better than Hellary. I'm not color blind physically, just mentally. The only reason there has not been a "Black" President yet is because there was not a good candidate. I think Obama has a great chance. I am a registered Independant, but I have never voted for a democrat, because of certain core democrat beliefs. I will probably vote for Obama if he wins the Primaries. I am a "White" male age 29.

Can you name anything he's actually done? That's my problem with him.

Ooh, ooh, that line reminded me of the radio station woman who had been receiving money from the Republicans and wondered what Kerry "has done for black people, anyway" and then went on to accuse the reporter for racism and sexism when he pointed this out. It still makes me chuckle when I think about it.

Good times.

What did half of our Presidents do before they were President?
What did either Bush do? What did Clinton do? Reagan was an Actor. What does it really matter what they did? Like Lincoln. All he did was fail at almost everything he did and lose every election. Look at how little time he was in office. Look at how he is remembered. George Washington was a General in the Army, he went around killing people, but what else did he do? We even celebrate their birthdays, because of what they did after being elected.
I think maybe what this country needs is someone who has done nothing noteable. They don't have to be fake, they have nothing to lose.

Transtopias Rodimus Prime wrote:What did half of our Presidents do before they were President?
What did either Bush do? What did Clinton do? Reagan was an Actor. What does it really matter what they did? Like Lincoln. All he did was fail at almost everything he did and lose every election. Look at how little time he was in office. Look at how he is remembered. George Washington was a General in the Army, he went around killing people, but what else did he do? We even celebrate their birthdays, because of what they did after being elected.
I think maybe what this country needs is someone who has done nothing noteable. They don't have to be fake, they have nothing to lose.

Ok. You talked me into it. I'll be your next President.

Predaprince wrote:

Transtopias Rodimus Prime wrote:What did half of our Presidents do before they were President?
What did either Bush do? What did Clinton do? Reagan was an Actor. What does it really matter what they did? Like Lincoln. All he did was fail at almost everything he did and lose every election. Look at how little time he was in office. Look at how he is remembered. George Washington was a General in the Army, he went around killing people, but what else did he do? We even celebrate their birthdays, because of what they did after being elected.
I think maybe what this country needs is someone who has done nothing noteable. They don't have to be fake, they have nothing to lose.

Ok. You talked me into it. I'll be your next President.

Then me and a bum I know from down the street will run in opposition!

I would vote for either a black president or a woman president, but unfortunatly the ones running right now are a bit too liberal for my tastes.

As long as they're a Transfan.
That's how we should choose our next President. Color does not matter, just faction. Ask one question of each candidate. All we need to know is Autobot or Decepticon? Then we vote.

That is funny They could say, "I'm Decepticon when it comes to the Earth. I aspire to rule it, collect from it Energon, and subjugate its peoples. But I'll do it in an Earth-friendly manner that sustains the Ecosystem. So I'm a Decepticon with slight Autobot leanings.

That is comedy

Screw Obama...I would vote for Colin Powell if he would run!

Zombie Starscream wrote:That is funny They could say, "I'm Decepticon when it comes to the Earth. I aspire to rule it, collect from it Energon, and subjugate its peoples. But I'll do it in an Earth-friendly manner that sustains the Ecosystem. So I'm a Decepticon with slight Autobot leanings.

Brilliant.

Speaking as an outsider looking in (read: Canadian) I just hope that if Hillary or Barack are elected, that it is because of their platforms. The last election wasn't about who people wanted to be president, but who people DIDN'T want to be president. If Hillary gets in because she's got the female vote, if Barack gets in because he's got the black vote, or if (insert republican candidate here) gets in simply because he's not a democrat, then the system's failing again.

I hope Obama wins so he can tear down the race barrier, but realistically, I don't think he'll get elected. I'm going to be open here, I am somewhat (understatement) of a facist. Really, I am. Difference of thought, religion, and philosophy is the reason for all conflict in this world (race is the stupidest thing one can be insulted for, which is why I'll leave it out of this part). If people cannot get along, their way of life which causes this conflict should be eliminated (for that person only), or the person be deported from the state.

People with drastically conflicting beliefs should be seperated. And I know, this is completely impossible to do. This is just my opinion, and I posted the way I truly feel.

As a country, I think we are ready for a black or a female President.

The problem is however, I don't think the rest of the world is ready for us to have a black or female President.

Mainly places like Iraq. They look down on women, if we have a woman running our country they are going to hate us even more. If that's even possible.

Obama seems to me that he'd be more approved of by the rest of the world then Hilary would be.

That's just my 2 cents

Venomous Prime wrote:As a country, I think we are ready for a black or a female President.

The problem is however, I don't think the rest of the world is ready for us to have a black or female President.

Mainly places like Iraq. They look down on women, if we have a woman running our country they are going to hate us even more. If that's even possible.

Obama seems to me that he'd be more approved of by the rest of the world then Hilary would be.

That's just my 2 cents

Many see her as just a lucky housewife, and a cold and calculating one at that. That will eventually kill her ticket.

Realistically speaking? America might be close, but not close enough...

My own opinions on the candidates aside (as personally, I'm a Kucinich supporter and, coincidentally, a hopeless optimist), there are still mindsets that exist to challenge the notion of equality. I'm not talking about institutional racism or institutional sexism--although both still do exist in the United States more than most of the "majority" realize--but just long-standing cultural throwbacks to discriminatory sentiments that have existed in the States since before the Colonies. It doesn't help that the "baby boom" generation holds the highest election turnouts of all groups, and according to a number of sociological studies, maintain a very socially conservative perspective.

Conversations I have had and overheard with "average Americans," folks who wouldn't fancy themselves as bigots or the like, are just frightening at times. Fears of a "black president only looking out for his own kind" or "women going mad with power" are expressed by reasonably educated people, often interacting in at least a semi-diverse environment--might even have friends who are black, or are women themselves--and this is in the Northeast. Y'know. So "blue" that we're actually ultraviolet.

And that's not counting the more vocal folks who are a bit less subtle in their views.

So if Sen. Obama somehow proves himself capable of solid progressive policy (and not just relying on charisma), or Sen. Clinton can live-down her ambitious image and intensely moderate policy, then I would almost out of principle hope that one of them would be soon known as "President of the United States." But even if those conditions are met, and the candidates don't depend on the "Democratic wave" that has swept in since the second Bush administration...I would still anticipate the fears of "middle-America" winning-out in the end, and being stuck with a facist like Guliani (and yes, some of his policies do border on facist ideas) because "at least it wouldn't be rocking the boat."

Here's hoping I'm wrong...

Phategod1 wrote:Do you Think America is Ready For a Black President?

Who is America? Are the populace of your country not individuals? Should the title of the thread not be 'Are you ready for a black president?'?

It doesn't matter what color a criminal is.

Dick wrote:

Phategod1 wrote:Do you Think America is Ready For a Black President?

Who is America? Are the populace of your country not individuals? Should the title of the thread not be 'Are you ready for a black president?'?

THEORICALLY speaking, America include Canada, U.S.A, Mexico, Bresil, Guetemala and all other country i don't remeber the name.Its like if British called themselves "European" just because they are the most powerfull country on their contient.

In french language, a way to call people from the 'States is "États-Unien" but its...urg...i dunno its not a very beautifull word.

Creature SH wrote:It doesn't matter what color a criminal is.

2 words: Hate Crime... ie. punishment for the motive.

Nico wrote:

Dick wrote:

Phategod1 wrote:Do you Think America is Ready For a Black President?

Who is America? Are the populace of your country not individuals? Should the title of the thread not be 'Are you ready for a black president?'?

THEORICALLY speaking, America include Canada, U.S.A, Mexico, Bresil, Guetemala and all other country i don't remeber the name.Its like if British called themselves "European" just because they are the most powerfull country on their contient.

In french language, a way to call people from the 'States is "États-Unien" but its...urg...i dunno its not a very beautifull word.

United-States-of-Americanese doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. Take the last word, and just roll with it. We were the first group here called 'American' solely besides-- the others were called 'the West Indies,' 'New Spain,' and 'New France.'

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Creature SH wrote:It doesn't matter what color a criminal is.

2 words: Hate Crime... ie. punishment for the motive.

What the hey does that have to do with presidents ?