The Energon Pub

Seibs is to busy running the site to run the site.

HMW is by no means the main part of Seibertron.com, but it is a part of it.

And I get what you are saying Burn. I've been saying the same thing all along.

Lucky do you remember when I said there are alot of times I bite my tongue so I won't get permabanned? Yeah this is one of the many times. I mean I can't stand you at all and I've come to expect this kind of selfish behavior out of you but Jesus Christ, Lucky. Even for you this is shocking. Glyph's sick. He programs this game for free. As Burn, Red and just about everyone in this thread but you have pointed out only 2 people on this site have the access to do what you demand. Frankly I know I'm not the only one sick of your constant negative attitude. Think this was bad or I was rough on you? Be thankful I only said 5% of what I wanted to say to you.

Whisper wrote:

Caelus wrote:But will other players be able to join sides in the Burn vs Whisper feud and participate like they can with the AWC vs RDD feud?

Seeing as Burn is a Decepticon, and I'm supposedly an Autobot, the answer to that is blatantly obvious. Unless ol' Dingoboy and I go play in the arena, we have absolutely no control over who plays and who doesn't, the exact same position which all 'subfactions' are in...

Touche.





But I want t-shirts now.

Caelus wrote:

Whisper wrote:

Caelus wrote:But will other players be able to join sides in the Burn vs Whisper feud and participate like they can with the AWC vs RDD feud?

Seeing as Burn is a Decepticon, and I'm supposedly an Autobot, the answer to that is blatantly obvious. Unless ol' Dingoboy and I go play in the arena, we have absolutely no control over who plays and who doesn't, the exact same position which all 'subfactions' are in...

Touche.





But I want t-shirts now.

A shirt saying "I entered a Whisper vs Burn match and all I got was 200XP and this lousy T-Shirt?"

Dynamax wrote:A shirt saying "I entered a Whisper vs Burn match and all I got was 200XP and this lousy T-Shirt?"

Speak for your own team, I'd get at least 1kxp ...

Caelus, my previous post was in absoloutely no way meant as a reply to you. You just happened to be posting the same time I did ya damn sneaky bugger.

Caelus wrote:A) I remember you complaining about people telling others not to join missions at the time. I don't care. I didn't do it, and didn't even hear any such thing until you brought it up.

That wasn't some part of the tournament's policy, that was something that happened on the side, so I don't see how the uncontrollable actions of some individuals should be cause for condemning an otherwise well run, enjoyable, tournament.

I agree, unfortunately while it may have only been a few individuals with that attitude, the entire "atmosphere" reeked of "get out of our way so we can have our tournament".

Which I will admit may have been my own interpretation of things being posted and may or may not be correct.

Got personal/ethical issues with some of the RDD or AWC members or the existence of the groups themselves? Again, that's your problem. An aetheist probably shouldn't expect to get Christmas presents.

Yes, it is my problem. But I also see it affecting the larger HMW community, in part because of how it divides the community up.

I'll admit I was blinded towards certain reasons why they existed. I do see the benefits now, and i'd love to see those benefits incorporated into Seibertron.com so we can get everyone back onto the forums.

Heck ... I sneak a peak at the off-site forums now and then, see who's posting and go "hey I remember that person, they posted for a little while on HMWGD then vanished!" or "who the hell is that?". There's people out there who post on forums, just not this one, and that's what I dislike the most.

Not much I can do about it though.

I hope you understand Burn, I'm not attacking you, just arguing with you.

For some reason that gave me a chuckle, in a good way I might add.

I do appreciate what you say Caelus, you have no problem saying what you feel and you're at least willing to hear another person out. That's more that can be said for one certain indiviual.

But again, I return to my point that having it bulletined, though redundant, was not harmful

I see it as "harmful" (though that might be a bit extreme) in that it promoted AWC/RDD. Nothing wrong with that I realise, but we've been told since the beginning of the game it's suppose to be Autobots -vs- Decepticons. Start promoting AWC/RDD and you'll have more people joining and until space is allocated here on Seibertron.com for them, both groups will remain offsite, people will be inclined to post less on Seibertron.com and in HMWGD which to me, would harm the game as a whole.

Again, i'll admit that's probably a worst case scenario and may be highly unlikely, but it would be nice to have as many people posting here on HMWGD as possible.

Look at the people that come out of the woodwork when there's updates and stuff. Just imagine all those people posting normally, the feuds that could be created, the number of people able to insult Dynamax. FUN CITY!
Okay so maybe what this is really about is my attempt to recruit more people to help me pick on poor ol Travis. hehehe

Burn wrote:Caelus, my previous post was in absoloutely no way meant as a reply to you. You just happened to be posting the same time I did ya damn sneaky bugger.

I wondered how you could respond that fast.

Anyway...

Would it help then, as far as you are concerned Burn, if the AWC and RDD eventually returned as superficial names for faction-specific subforums of HMW GD?

Because that I would probably agree with you on. The most active I've ever been on the AWC site was back at that last tourney, because there were strategic and organizational matters to be discussed that needed to be kept among Autobots. I see having some sort of faction specific discussion area as being a vital part of what is supposed to be a war-simulation/roleplaying game.

Of course, someone would have to formally and politely request that the respective off-site boards shut down if such subforums were going to be worth putting back up, but I think appealing to the operators' senses of patriotism and laziness would have fair odds of success there, especially if the request were well timed. I am perhaps being overly optimistic though.




But then, I guess not everyone hangs out in the AWC for the same reason. Some, especially newer people, I think gravitate there because the number of posters is smaller than at Seibertron, and therefore seems less intimidating. I can't say that I can fault them for that really. This seemed like a very big board four or five years ago.



It's also possible, that since the major board rivalries (and I'm talking about the hostile ones that lead to flame wars, not the funny ones that lead to spam wars) tend to be ironically divided along Autobot/Decepticon lines faction forums are a refuge for those wishing to avoid the drama and tension that sometimes erupts here - Even if you go to a subforum/subsite that has one of the more aggressive S-tron members, his foil isn't there to provoke him, and he is consequently much tamer... Just a thought.



[And lets not forget, the AWC and RDD aren't the only clique boards draining Seibertron's members away. I can think of at least two others.]



Hmm... I need to stop thinking about this and go to bed. Morning comes soon for those of us in the Western Hemisphere. Thank goodness I only have one class tomorrow, and then we're off for St. Pats.

Good night all

Remember how we had the Autobot and Decepticon forums?

I always thought that would have been sufficient.

But thanks to that big thread about what was so great about AWC/RDD I learnt that a lot of people liked the smaller community. And that's completely understandable.

If people want to discuss the latest Classic figure they might like to do so in a smaller environment amongst their friends, and I can completely relate to that because sometimes the TFToy forum can be a little overwhelming.

So even if the sub-factions are given their own sub-forums, there's still going to be that little hurdle to over come and I can't see how that would be achieved.
There's also the whole anti-spam/anti-fun atmosphere here as well that people don't like but that's best discussed some where else.

*reads the thread* Oh the joy...

I'm going to have to make this brief since I need to get some sleep soon, but... *shakes head* geez. Lucky, although there was nothing wrong about inquiring as to Glyph's whereabouts, you could've -- should've, in all honesty -- been more polite about it.

As for how we're now debating about what's official and unofficial, what the future is for the site forums, let me speak my piece and you can think of me what you will.

My memory's already faded somewhat, but if last year's AWC vs. RDD tournament was posted on the HMW bulletin, I agree that it shouldn't have. Not too big a deal in my opinion since we can all use it as an example of what shouldn't be done.

Caelus, seeing as how you were around when we got our first faction forums, you should also remember why they were removed.

Burn, I apologize in advance if I'm misinterpreting your posts, but the way you talk about people staying away from the forums makes me feel like you're laying too much blame on the AWC and RDD. Granted, us off-site groups inevitably draw a few away, but, IMHO, most other players leave for some reason of their own. Myself, I'm not as active on the forums as I once was because there's less threads where I feel like offering my thoughts and opinions.


Bleh... I've spent too much time typing this up. I'll check back on this thread tomorrow morning since it'll be my day off.

Originaly I had wanted BOTH AWC/RDD Tournaments offsite. I was out voted by Autobots that it would just have been easier to post where both could see. I don't recall exactly when, but I think it was early the second morning that Glyph had announced he "front paged" it.


Not sure why I kept it.

Not that someone couldn't have done another one, but really I left the RDD. I then focused on working on ones that could be applied to the entire forum. Even then I don't expect it to be anounnced at all. I do try to give enough notice to intrested people so they know dates and times of what is intended.

Someone posted that they are unoffical because they aren't planned with the mods. Here I will differ. I do talk to MKall quite often, I pass my ideas around with him and even sometimes Alpha Strike. When I do finally get in gear and post the first announcement both are well aware of it. The Scavenger Hunt idea is atleast three months old.

DSA - Yes I belong to it, infact really I lead it. My ideas start there, I take and get feed back and work bugs out before bringing them here. The last Scavenger Hunt is the third time I have done it. The other mini-games that I usually do on a weekly basis started out at RDD quite some time ago. I don't have a test site like Glyph does with HMW, so I sort of use DSA for it. So far everything that I have done there, I have brought here for everyone that bothers to come to the forum. Not really an excuse persay but those that go to DSA usually come back here to play the games.

Lucky, I am sorry if you havn't been able to do your "work" but really is there going to be another Tournament. Probably. Hopefuly then you'll get what you want.

Will it be announced? I spose that is left to be seen. If it is something I am doing that there will be a thread for it here, other than that its beyond my control.

-Soundwave- wrote:

Not sure why I kept it.

cause it looks kool

Silver Wind wrote:Burn, I apologize in advance if I'm misinterpreting your posts, but the way you talk about people staying away from the forums makes me feel like you're laying too much blame on the AWC and RDD. Granted, us off-site groups inevitably draw a few away, but, IMHO, most other players leave for some reason of their own. Myself, I'm not as active on the forums as I once was because there's less threads where I feel like offering my thoughts and opinions.

In the past I did. But that big ol "What's the purpose of the AWC/RDD thread" made me open my eyes a little. I know now the reason a lot of people gravitate towards the off-Seibertron forums is because they're smaller groups, things are a little more private so you can say what you want to say with next to no repurcussions and you're amongst a group of close friends.

And my memory is severly lacking, but what were the real reasons the faction forums were shut down here? The only problem I seem to recall is a certain account sharer using a conversation posted in the 'Con forum in a pitiful attempt to get me banned.

I am sorry that Glyph is sick. I have said many times in this thread that my prayers go out to him. (Gibby always skips over those parts)

I'm not demanding anything. When did I ever make a demand? I asked questions about how things are done, or not done as the case may be.

It is not my fault that my questions point out glaring inadequacies. Would I like those to change? Yes I would. I think a lot of people would like that. But I've know all along that these things probably will not change because they are not priority for the powers that be.

You people are so locked stepped into keeping other oppinions down. You insult. You call me selfish.

How could I be selfish when everything that I have brought up in this thread is all for the benefit of others? News Bulletins will reach all players. The Tourny Results will go towards the benefit of other AWC players. Not myself, I already have what I need for my needs. Others.

Not myself.

Not selfish. Where do you people get off thinking I'm selfish?

Thinking outside the box.

Again, my prayers go out to Glyph and his family. Now that I know he needs them.

And not in a sooner he recovers the sooner he can get back to work, selfish kind of way. Because, as I have said and displayed many times that you people can't seem to see, I'm not selfish.

A leopard cannot change it's spots.

Consider that. And consider your attitude of "when are we going to get this and why isn't it done?" since this game began.

Maybe then you'll understand why people think what they do of you.

LuckytheWonderLlama wrote:It is not my fault that my questions point out glaring inadequacies. Would I like those to change? Yes I would. I think a lot of people would like that. But I've know all along that these things probably will not change because they are not priority for the powers that be.

Its been said before, but bares saying again.
You make it sound like you are paying lots of money for the right to play this game, and getting squat in return. Neither fact is true.

You know what you are,... you are thecustomer i get at work, who gets overcharged 6p due to their own ignorence, then comes in screaming and shouting for the manager to try as if you've just had your life ruined by the shop.

Galring inadequacies? Like hell... From my point of view they can post what ever they want on the news section of HMW, I virtully never read anything there, I (like a great meny others) have the registery bookmarked, so I go strait there. You know where I learn of things.

HMW GD.

Is there a point to this argument?

Anyone?

Lucky wanted to blow off some steam and seems to be trying to discuss the problem in his own way.
Fair enough, he plays this game however he wants.

The only response that can be given is:
Glyph will post the results when he posts the results.

Telling Lucky how ungrateful he is will hardly solve the issue, all it will do is fuel whatever it is that keeps people away from this board and add to the underlying tone of hostility that there is here as... wait for it...

EVERYONE TAKES THE INTERNET FAR TOO **** SERIOUSLY!

lighten up, all of you.
There is nothing we can do about the two month wait, so how the **** will arguing solve it?

Psychout wrote:EVERYONE TAKES THE INTERNET FAR TOO **** SERIOUSLY!

Very very true

Why do we go through this crap after every freaking event???

Psychout wrote:Lucky wanted to blow off some steam and seems to be trying to discuss the problem in his own way.

So you fully support his method of rudeness and demand?

Sorry, but there's voicing your opinion in a constructive and civil manner. And then there's voicing your opinion in a demanding ignorant manner.

I'm sure you can guess which manner most of us feel Lucky operates under.

Omega Sentinel wrote:Why do we go through this crap after every freaking event???

Because it's apparently easier for someone to point out the problems with an event instead of organising their own event and seeing just how difficult it is.

I like to call it "leeching".

LuckytheWonderLlama wrote:Do we have the Full Results for the ill fated disaster that was the Xmas Tourny yet?

This was the original post. After reading it several times I could find nothing demanding, just a simple question. For simplicities sake, a "No" should have sufficed. Looks like some people were just looking for an arguement.

Burn wrote:And my memory is severly lacking, but what were the real reasons the faction forums were shut down here? The only problem I seem to recall is a certain account sharer using a conversation posted in the 'Con forum in a pitiful attempt to get me banned.

All I remember (and bear in mind I'm usually the last to hear the conspiracy theories etc.) was:

1) The subfaction forums were taken down b/c they were cutting down activity on HMWGD and Seibertron wanted to have fewer forums. Same reason the Insecticon forum got shut down - Ryan doesn't seem to like having three moderately active forums instead of one very active forum, probably because it makes the server work harder.

2) Seibertron has never seemed to like the cohesiveness of the HMW addicts, and seems to regard it as a clique harmful to the rest of the site. Giving us multiple forums of course reinforced that cohesion/seperation.

3) The mods would get annoyed with nearly identical threads popping up in the seperate forums, especially when they were faction forums. This last one is kind of funny actually, and should make us feel good about ourselves. I think there was a lot of classic "this belongs in HMWGD..." from the mods, so that there wasn't much we were allowed to talk about in the subforums.


Three arguments against (sub)faction forums, but weak ones IMO. Anyway, I'm really effin late now...

Burn wrote:

Psychout wrote:Lucky wanted to blow off some steam and seems to be trying to discuss the problem in his own way.

So you fully support his method of rudeness and demand?

No, but were you suprised by it?

What did he do to make you expect he would word it otherwise? Its Lucky. Like any other poster, you either respond or ignore him. Pretty easy choice to make.

We all want to defend Glyph, myself included, but i know Glyph well enough to know that when he gets back, he will be more than capable of defending himself. Until then this is just arguments for arguments sake, taking each other's comments way too seriously.

Let people have their dissenting opinions. It makes **** all difference to me.

Psychout wrote:Until then this is just arguments for arguments sake, taking each other's comments way too seriously.

Let people have their dissenting opinions. It makes **** all difference to me.

Quoted for truth

DISCHARGE wrote:

LuckytheWonderLlama wrote:Do we have the Full Results for the ill fated disaster that was the Xmas Tourny yet?

This was the original post. After reading it several times I could find nothing demanding, just a simple question. For simplicities sake, a "No" should have sufficed. Looks like some people were just looking for an arguement.

Bingo!

Why should anybody have to defend Glyph? He was never "attacked". Who attacked Glyph? That's pretty frakin' rude to attack Glyph when he's incapacitated. Good thing I never did. I just asked a question.

...and got six pages of people ranting and insulting me?

Leeching: I wouls ask Burn "What have you done lately?"
He did conduct an Alt Hunt a couple of weeks ago.

But before that? Well, mainly he would say "I've already done my part. You people need to do something."

He deserved to rest on his laurels. For he had done much.

Just as I have rested on mine. I did my part a long time ago. The Autobot Revolution. The Autobot Rebellion. (Both events increased player participation and membership, though this was long before the concept of Tournaments was even thought of. I was ahead of my time. Most free thinkers are.) That lame attempt to make a users guide with PR. (Yeah, I wish I could forget that too.)

Of course Burn will skoff at this. It wont meet his standards and accuse me of living in the past.

I helped classify the new alts, plus i've helped lend advice on how to run alt hunts to someone who's wanting to step up and have a go themselves.

Not to mention all the ideas i've put forth over the years which are slowly getting implemented into the game.

Like I said Lucky, step up and organise something yourself, something that doesn't cause dissent amongst the community (as your revolution did, ohhhh you make it sound so nice but I remember the flame wars it caused).

I'm still doing my bit to help make this place fun, what are you doing? Oh wait I forgot, you're only out to help a small group of players who hide on another forum. My bad.

Weren't you in the RDD at one point?