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Daneki wrote:

A car crash victim wrote:Cars are the source of road traffic accidents, so let's blame them instead of their drivers.

That's how much logic there is in your arguement, Knighthawk.
If someone even tried to start a let's-think-of-methods-to-cheat-in-V2 thread in Neo Kaon, it'd get deleted and the thread starter most likely banned. Who knows if Caelus's cheater is RDD or not? I haven't seen such a thread, at any rate so I'll say it's from another clan until shown otherwise.
With that being the case, why is the RDD getting closed down because someone from another clan plans on cheating?

Actually yours is the failed logic. First off, drivers (Sub Factions) are responsible for accidents not their cars (HMW), and after X amount of accidents they DO get their license revoked. How many more accidents should OS allow the Sub Factions to have when they already have violations against them?

Dynamax wrote:Here's the bloody rub Caelus. that was never going to happen. Why? ME!!!

Dy, you haven't always been the leader of the RDD, and you had to realize you wouldn't always be. As an elected leader, your constituents could easily boot you out of position to carry on with whatever plans they had laid.

No offense, but a promise from the leader of the RDD is like a promise from the President of the United States - it has a limited shelf-life.

Caelus wrote:

Dynamax wrote:Here's the bloody rub Caelus. that was never going to happen. Why? ME!!!

Dy, you haven't always been the leader of the RDD, and you had to realize you wouldn't always be. As an elected leader, your constituents could easily boot you out of position to carry on with whatever plans they had laid.

No offense, but a promise from the leader of the RDD is like a promise from the President of the United States - it has a limited shelf-life.

And when he isnt the leader of the RDD, you can reasses the situation.

Right now you are attacking the USA cuase it's next president might me a comunist.

Whisper wrote:Looking at the ban threats, I reckon that will be to do with people who pass information from one faction to another, as opposed to the same faction members discussing HMW. Then again, with MSN and YIM readily available, this will be impossible to police.

It's impossible for the mods to monitor IM's. All they can do is hope everyone does the right thing in this and that's not using MSN or YIM for cheating (passing on information). They can, however, limit the ways possible for cheating and they are doing this right now, with the new rules. By making sure no subfaction sites are out there and are open to everyone willing to cheat they limit the possible ways for cheating. It may seem harsh, but it necessary. This doesn't mean the AWC/RDD etc. need to go AFAIK. A compromise can be made. It could go back to subfactions having their own threads in the respective faction forums. This way, the mods can monitor said threads for cheating. Everyone benefits (not to mention the game).

Dynamax wrote:No one talks problems out anymore, best to lay out punishments.

I've just spend some time talking to the mods on YIM. To me it seems they're quite willing to talk and compromise. They'll give up some things as long as you guys do the same, I'm sure. Compromise is the key here, people. Demand less, take more.

People shouldn't make rash decisions. Please, talk it out first. There is room, I'm telling you. There is room.

Sharpwing wrote:It could go back to subfactions having their own threads in the respective faction forums. This way, the mods can monitor said threads for cheating. Everyone benefits (not to mention the game).

Bingo...

Caelus wrote:

Dynamax wrote:Here's the bloody rub Caelus. that was never going to happen. Why? ME!!!

Dy, you haven't always been the leader of the RDD, and you had to realize you wouldn't always be. As an elected leader, your constituents could easily boot you out of position to carry on with whatever plans they had laid.

No offense, but a promise from the leader of the RDD is like a promise from the President of the United States - it has a limited shelf-life.

Hard to ever have a shelf life Caelus when you never put me on the shelf.

You guy NEVER gave me a damn chance. I'd have expected you too CRUELLOCK. Oh yeah, you were RDD once yourself. You saw the old issues well I got news for ya bucko it was changing. The RDD you once belonged to stopped existing. But of course i could be lying as I once was an enemy. Oh by the way, I'm nothing like Dubya, i know the difference between my ass and my head. And i guess Lincoln and Washington were full of **** weren't they? Some leaders make a lasting impression and their work lasts for ages. I'll never know if mine would.

The sad thing is I was your biggest ally in all of this, y'all just couldn't care about it.

And Sharpy, no offence, but you forgot to read the part where I don;t care no mores.

Chaoslock wrote:A way of peace I'm offering:
As I understand, you have only problems with offsite forums, how about the subfacts moving to Seibertron, and than I mean:
- have one-one sub-forum to subfactions, with access to the subfaction members only, and as mods, the subfaction "leaders"
- a propose for subfaction rules:
-- one subfaction must be purely from one faction
-- one player can be the member of only one subfaction
-- needs at least xx members to open a subfaction

The subfaction forums were originally on Seibertron. They moved them offsite so they would not be subject to mods.

And let's leave it at that before we reopen a very nasty old wound that led up to the whole thing.

Redimus wrote:

Caelus wrote:

Dynamax wrote:Here's the bloody rub Caelus. that was never going to happen. Why? ME!!!

Dy, you haven't always been the leader of the RDD, and you had to realize you wouldn't always be. As an elected leader, your constituents could easily boot you out of position to carry on with whatever plans they had laid.

No offense, but a promise from the leader of the RDD is like a promise from the President of the United States - it has a limited shelf-life.

And when he isnt the leader of the RDD, you can reasses the situation.

Right now you are attacking the USA cuase it's next president might me a comunist.

Cute. I'm trying to be straight with you guys. As best as I can given my position. Convince you rather than intimidate you. Make the best of a bad situation so we can all move on.

Contrary to what you might think, I do have better/more important things to be doing right now rather than mitigating this conflict. I need food for one thing. And I have a life-altering exam on Wednesday I should be studying for.

I sense that my help isn't wanted though, so you guys are on your own now.

Dynamax wrote:The sad thing is I was your biggest ally in all of this, y'all just couldn't care about it.

It seems fitting to quote that, though I don't expect anyone to understand why.

Caelus wrote:

Burn wrote:Yes, there were problems in the past. IN THE PAST.

Has anyone seen any problems lately? Anyone? No? Thought not.

This isn't entirely true. Supposedly, certain players were already laying plans to use their off-site forum to circumvent rules that OS had already established for v2. Now, however questionable or practical those rules migh or might not be, the fact remains that that is essentially planning to cheat.

While not necessarily enough alone to justify this, that was effectively the straw that broke the camel's back, as well as a bad omen for v2 in general.

See the emphasised word there? Supposedly.

A supposed straw broke the camel's back.

May I also point out the futility of that straw with this?

Sharpwing wrote:I've just spend some time talking to the mods on YIM

Does anyone find it a little bit hypocritical that the Powers-that-be are discussing this with members OFF-SITE?

If the straw breaker is some alleged RUMOUR that people intended to use the off-site FORUMS to work out ways to "cheat" and "screw with the game", then please, PLEASE powers-that-be explain to me how you're going to stop this from occurring on IM programs, or emails, or even a good old fashioned telephone call!

I'm sure Ghost Rider and Rice-Ci didn't use a off-site forum when they colluded to screw the game.

If the biggest concern about off-site forums is that people will use them to plan all sorts of shenanigans, then sorry, but it's dumb. IM programs can be used for the exact same thing, and the fact that the Mods (aside from Caelus, thanks for being down here in the trenches) seem fit to discuss things on IM kinda contradicts the whole point of this argument doesn't it?

Dynamax wrote:And Sharpy, no offence, but you forgot to read the part where I don;t care no mores.

That's a shame really. I hope you'll reconsider.

There was a time when I managed to piss you off. I'm glad we talked that out back then. Just want you to know that man.

Burn wrote:

Sharpwing wrote:I've just spend some time talking to the mods on YIM

Does anyone find it a little bit hypocritical that the Powers-that-be are discussing this with members OFF-SITE?

Don't take this out of context. It was a casual conversation and this was only 1 of the things we adressed. I have no power whatsoever in HMW so it doesn't matter anyway and besides it's got nothing to do with this issue. So hypocritical? No.

Burn wrote:PLEASE powers-that-be explain to me how you're going to stop this from occurring on IM programs, or emails, or even a good old fashioned telephone call!

It's about what they can do. Not about what they can't. And what they can do, they did. We have to deal with that and it's not like they didn't leave room for negotiating.

Personally seeing some sides of the arguement here is that first the RDD, and the AWC were good ideas when they were started. Now however they need to be handled the way OS is handling them. Unfortunatly change needs to happen.

The IM stuff that was thrown out there. Well the way I see it is just a way for people in the game to get to know each other outside of the game, and not on a board that can be detrimental to this site or the game. Now I know things can be said in an IM confrence but lets just think for a second. What can really be said in an IM confrence that can really hurt the site and the game. Nothing really.

Sharpwing wrote:

Dynamax wrote:And Sharpy, no offence, but you forgot to read the part where I don;t care no mores.

That's a shame really. I hope you'll reconsider.

There was a time when I managed to piss you off. I'm glad we talked that out back then. Just want you to know that man.

Correction: i will care about my friends and their endeavours. If you make one of your sigs I will see it and compliment it. if people need pics, Pm me. I will support my friends Sharpy, not the game. I was doing that and just been given the finger for it.

Last time i worked this hard for something and did what those in power asked me to i was fired two weeks before chirstmas.

I do not care what rules are in place for the site. So long as we're at the site in question, by the grace of the site owner, I am happy to abide by those rules.

Regulating off-site behavior though?

Pft. Good luck.

I'm not someone to get all up and bothered by internet drama. I enjoy Seibertron a great deal, the people and the content. This 'rule' is ridiculous.

Regulate signatures on site. Ban the mention of AWC or RDD or whatever while people are here.

Regulate what other sites are visited and how people spend their time when not at seibertron.com? It's a recipe for failure and more unnecessary drama.

Sharpwing wrote:

Burn wrote:

Sharpwing wrote:I've just spend some time talking to the mods on YIM

Does anyone find it a little bit hypocritical that the Powers-that-be are discussing this with members OFF-SITE?

Don't take this out of context. It was a casual conversation and this was only 1 of the things we adressed. I have no power whatsoever in HMW so it doesn't matter anyway and besides it's got nothing to do with this issue. So hypocritical? No.

Hypocritical? Yes. Because it wasn't just YOU. There are plenty of IM conversations occurring pertaining to HMW.

Did you read my earlier post? I had a nice discussion with AS yesterday where he pretty much said that he's readily available on IM. Anyone ever see him around here? Nope, too busy with school work (fair enough) but has time to hold court on IM. And there's been plenty of other discussions regarding this topic with the Mods on IM in the last few days. Why are they pushing people onto the Seibertron.com forums when they discuss things off-site themselves?

Can we get some clarification on what's REALLY going on here? (Or do I need to go on IM to get answers?)

Is this all because of some rumour that the off-site forums were going to be used to subvert the game? Because that can still be done by IM.

Is this to get people back to posting on Seibertron? Because people still obviously miss the point that some people simply find Seibertron.com intimidating.

Is this about telling us how we should play the game? Because I thought we were allowed to play the game our own way. Are we not allowed to form our own alliances? Am I not allowed to put together a new group of Amigos now that War Hammer, Triggerhappy and Otago are not around?

I just don't get the reasoning behind this, nor do I get the bullying tactics behind it.

Nevermind...editted due it not mattering a lick.

Omega Sentinel wrote:I have held off on making a final decision on this until now. The time has come to close the door on the unofficial "subfactions".

Considering the fact that there will be 4 official factions in the game, there is no need for any further divisions among the players.

It has also come to my attention that there are already plans to use the subfaction sites to cheat the confidentiality of the official faction forums here. That on top of the fact that these external sites involuntarily perpetuate lack of participation on the Seibertron forums make this decision all the easier.

Bun-Bun wrote:Hate to inform you but we have a leak...

My sources inform me that this was posted in the Bot Forum:

name witheld wrote:This just came in....

Burn wrote:I've decided to be exceptionally evil.

I'm going to create a sig declaring my intentions to join the Autobots come V2.

And I shall also create bios for an entire Autobot team, heck, i'll even make up 18 of them "just in case". And then I shall post those bios in the bio thread and "proudly" display my new sig.

And a week or two after that i'll unveil a new sig where I declare anyone who believed it should belong with the Autobots and Maximals.

After all, with all these wonderfully evil ideas I have, how could I possibly have fun as an Autobot or Maximal?

I suppose the alleged "plot" to cheat is worse then the actual cheating you damn well know of. And let me spell it out for you if you're as dense as you appear to be: if someone posted that in the Autobot thread, then he was either A) an Autobot with a dual account. B) A Decepticon planning to join the Autobots in Version 2. or C) a mod/admin.

Omega Sentinel wrote:The problems we have had with these group for the past several years are not going to continue into the new game. The thought has always been "we can do whatever we want outside this site". The problem with that theory is that Seibs pays hundreds of dollars a month for this site and game and I have spent hundreds of hours working on it, therefore, having ownership of the game itself is plenty of justification to put our foot down on instances where it is being referenced and used outside of this website.

That's cute. You guy's own a game on a fansite. Well aren't you basically illegally using someone else's trademarked charecters and designs? You people reek of hypocracy. No one seems to care that you're basically using Hasbro to get page views and hits with your little game. But heaven forebid someone makes a site that references said game.

Sharpwing wrote:

Daneki wrote:I could have sworn that this is Vir's game...

You're absolutely right Sharpwing. Daneki has it all wrong. I could have sworn this was Glyph's game. You remember that guy right? Guy that went out of his way to make things fun around here? You might remember him as the programmer before the flavor of the month. Man those were the days. Never got hassled. Game was fun. Programmer wasn't a douchebag.

Ban me if you want. You can silence me, but you can't silence everyone. My decision is made. The die is cast.

Caelus wrote:

Burn wrote:Yes, there were problems in the past. IN THE PAST.

Has anyone seen any problems lately? Anyone? No? Thought not.

This isn't entirely true. Supposedly, certain players were already laying plans to use their off-site forum to circumvent rules that OS had already established for v2. Now, however questionable or practical those rules migh or might not be, the fact remains that that is essentially planning to cheat.

While not necessarily enough alone to justify this, that was effectively the straw that broke the camel's back, as well as a bad omen for v2 in general.

Cheat? How? By exploiting existing rules to excel like enduring/repairers were doing? By discussing strategy with each other?

As I said, this sort of interference, while misinterpreted the first time, is proved to be true here.

And since no one seems to understand why they are off-site in the first place, I'll remind you all:

DARK TIDINGS


That tourney ripped this community apart, and because people were warned not to discuss it, even after tempers had cooled, the wound was never able to heal. They took their sub-factions and boards and left. Most of them never looked back. That was an ugly time. And because of the way it was and still is handled it created two communties.

This forum thing is only going to further polarize the two groups (sub-factions and everybody else). Now, we'll see a third group. The secret handshake crowd that doesn't talk to anyone but themselves. They'll either find new boards, or as was already stated, use IM or E-mail. The idea should be to re-engage these people to re-join the community. Bans will only make things worse.

Is it me, or are some people losing grip on reality here?



You guys can make up your own minds as to which people that sentence could refer to. I neither have the time nor the inclination to start ripping this entire thread apart myself...

Goribus wrote:

Sharpwing wrote:

Daneki wrote:I could have sworn that this is Vir's game...

You're absolutely right Sharpwing. Daneki has it all wrong. I could have sworn this was Glyph's game. You remember that guy right? Guy that went out of his way to make things fun around here? You might remember him as the programmer before the flavor of the month. Man those were the days. Never got hassled. Game was fun. Programmer wasn't a douchebag.

Actually Vir was the first programmer, the guy that originally set it all up.

He then went off to make a game where kangaroos beat the crap out of each other.

Sad. this really is.

I don't mind that the AWC is closed off, I can live with that. I may work with the complaints, but I'm more than willing to fit the peramiters that the mods and OS want. I knew little to nothing of these bans, and after skimming this thread, I have one complaint.

I hav to tear off a symbol of something I enjoyed so I can play a game. That's sad. it really is. and I already have. And while I find this quitting a little bit on the extreme side, I applaude them for speaking out and being so willing to do what they feel is right.

This whole issue, I think we've reached a low point. The powers said we want to kkeep this in-house. Is that so hard? I don;t think so. I liked the AWC, and I think the biggest piece is that it was a little more organized. I can tell you, as a mod there for a good while, I didn't see anyone cheating. ANd I was one of the more active members there.

banning people? What does that get? Honestly, I don't see it. So you trim off a few members. that cuts the "viewing numbers" theory down right there, and doesn't solve the people who are quitting's issues. And this whole "doing it to stop the drama, is generating quite a bit of drama.

this is why I said in the Iacon Forums I don't want a game with politics.

[/end comment from inexperienced teenager]

Honestly Goribus here are some things here. As long as they aren't making money off of the game then it is not stealing at all. Second technically Glyph was a great programmer brought in to help bring the game further along because Seibs was to buisy with other site matters to pay to close of attention with this. Technically it is both Seib's and Vir's game because both worked together at first to create it. Then Vir left.



To be honest here people I know you all are upset with what was a staple of the game (I am referring to both AWC and RDD members who are upset with this ruling) But bigger and better things can happen without off site boards in general. Yes it was fun to have these teams on the board when they were viable to the game, but honestly now they can be a detriment. Again as I said earlier I can see both sides of the arguement. Honestly we should be thinking to improve the game instead of arguing a point that makes these subfactions go in a negative light. Be positive and make suggestions to better the game is my suggestion.

Burn wrote:

Goribus wrote:

Sharpwing wrote:

Daneki wrote:I could have sworn that this is Vir's game...

You're absolutely right Sharpwing. Daneki has it all wrong. I could have sworn this was Glyph's game. You remember that guy right? Guy that went out of his way to make things fun around here? You might remember him as the programmer before the flavor of the month. Man those were the days. Never got hassled. Game was fun. Programmer wasn't a douchebag.

Actually Vir was the first programmer, the guy that originally set it all up.

He then went off to make a game where kangaroos beat the crap out of each other.

I knew about Vir. Well except for the Kangaroo fighting game. I bet that's pretty popular in your neck of the woods. But during my time here, Glyph basically fixed Vir's patchjob of a game. Made it playable and fun. Those were the days. Hell even the drama back then was more fun. I pine for a good flamewar with Lucky. At least Lucky is a worthy foe.

.op. wrote:Honestly Goribus here are some things here. As long as they aren't making money off of the game then it is not stealing at all. Second technically Glyph was a great programmer brought in to help bring the game further along because Seibs was to buisy with other site matters to pay to close of attention with this. Technically it is both Seib's and Vir's game because both worked together at first to create it. Then Vir left.



To be honest here people I know you all are upset with what was a staple of the game (I am referring to both AWC and RDD members who are upset with this ruling) But bigger and better things can happen without off site boards in general. Yes it was fun to have these teams on the board when they were viable to the game, but honestly now they can be a detriment. Again as I said earlier I can see both sides of the arguement. Honestly we should be thinking to improve the game instead of arguing a point that makes these subfactions go in a negative light. Be positive and make suggestions to better the game is my suggestion.

I wouldn't be me if I as positive. Ask anyone. But as far as helping the game. Screw that. It's clear we're not wanted here. Again. For the third time this year alone. So why should I help the game? That is assuming I don't get banned now, and again assuming I don't get banned come Version 2. Because sooner or later I will get banned for not dropping the RDD and MiO sigs and tags. So really why should I give a **** anymore? Hell up til now I've actually been trying to restrain myself most of the time.

Goribus wrote:

.op. wrote:Honestly Goribus here are some things here. As long as they aren't making money off of the game then it is not stealing at all. Second technically Glyph was a great programmer brought in to help bring the game further along because Seibs was to buisy with other site matters to pay to close of attention with this. Technically it is both Seib's and Vir's game because both worked together at first to create it. Then Vir left.



To be honest here people I know you all are upset with what was a staple of the game (I am referring to both AWC and RDD members who are upset with this ruling) But bigger and better things can happen without off site boards in general. Yes it was fun to have these teams on the board when they were viable to the game, but honestly now they can be a detriment. Again as I said earlier I can see both sides of the arguement. Honestly we should be thinking to improve the game instead of arguing a point that makes these subfactions go in a negative light. Be positive and make suggestions to better the game is my suggestion.

I wouldn't be me if I as positive. Ask anyone. But as far as helping the game. Screw that. It's clear we're not wanted here. Again. For the third time this year alone. So why should I help the game? That is assuming I don't get banned now, and again assuming I don't get banned come Version 2. Because sooner or later I will get banned for not dropping the RDD and MiO sigs and tags. So really why should I give a **** anymore? Hell up til now I've actually been trying to restrain myself most of the time.

You all are wanted here. As part of a bigger thing and that is your actual Decepticon, pred, Maximal, and bot. Think of establishing your faction like you did the subgroups. That is all this action is wanting you to do.