The Energon Pub

by **Coolyfett** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:10 pm

Cinema_Major wrote:No no no no no, I say 1 Dinobot and thats Grimlock. You cant have too many characters in a 2 hour movie. If they made a TV series or a cartoon based on the movie with crappy effects, yeah sure. But not a movie.

You guys are forgetting this movie has to be aimed at a wide variety of audiences, not just die hard fans to make it work. If they clutter the movie, and make it too much like G1 cartoon, it may put off potential movie goers and next thing you know, NO 3rd movie.

I also think that it will be wise for Bay to not make this a to be continued movie like Empire strikes back, matrix, and so forth. But instead lay the foundation for the 3rd movie and forshadow it but in the background. Let the main plot to this movie end in this movie but their can be a subplot or two that leads to the 3rd movie though.

One could say that a scout was sent before Megs and that decepticon scout was Soundwave.... The autobot who was sent to stop Soundwave was Grimlock and when soundwave wasnt heard from , Megs went to Earth to search... A volcanic erruption left Soundwave and Grimlock burried alive and to survive they both shut down... A dinosaur dig found soundwave and Grimlock and when the autobots get there, Soundwave is missing and he scans what ever he becomes but Grimlock when reactivated remains a T-Rex for its brute strength fits his personality.

Soundwave meets up with Starscream and a few other decepticons who are building a underwater base while Soundwave finds megs and allspark eventually changes him but he remains megs or turns to Galvy...Bay's choice.

There are paths you can go down for the autobots and humans like maybe you can focus this movie on two humans, Sam ofcourse but how about making "Spike" a seperate character and have him meet Hot Rod/Rodimus ..whatever name they can give him... and you can have that whole car meets teen/early 20's guy again but do it differently. Maybe Arcee , Hot Rod and Ultra Magnus or just Magnus come to earth and Hot rod is seperated from them and in the fall his communications and sensors are damaged leaving him to the point he has to search the hard way and finds a young man nick named Spike to help him. This could also lead to a kick ass race scene between Bumblebee/Sam and Hot Rod/Spike Or maybe Hot Rod finds one of the other characters from the first movie.

Either way, no more than 8 new characters should show up in this movie that you hear their names.....you can have more decepticons but dont focus on them at all and make them cannon fodder.

You have to find a mix of new with old in there. Its 20 years later and you have to make it appealing to the world of today but you also have to throw in some tidbits for the hardcore fans as well.

Man I really like your post. I think adding 8 more robots is just enough. I hope Megatron can come back. WE NEED TO SEE the Starscream vs Megatron beef....It was so much apart of what TF is. I hope the Autobots lose in the movie series. We as movie goers are so used to seeing the good guys win. TF 2 needs to leave the audience with a lot of question marks and wonder. Right now IMO TF1 stands alone. I hope TF can be different from X-Men, Matrix, SpiderMan, LOTR, where the good side alway wins at the end. I want to see the UNEXPECTED!!! yaaaaaaaayyyyy!! :lol:

by **Coolyfett** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:19 pm

Cthulhunicron wrote:No one has mentioned Hound yet; I'd like to see a movie version of him. I personally think that Arcee would be cool.

As far as Decepticons go, I'd love to see Soundwave and maybe another Seeker, and a resurrected Megatron. He doesn't need to be Galvatron yet, in my opinion. I'm not a big fan of the Galvatron design, and we didn't get to see enough Megs in the first movie anyway. One thing I liked about the movie was that each Decepticon was pretty unique; we had an Earth jet, a Cybertronian jet, a boombox, a tank, a robot scorpion, a helicopter, a construction vehicle, and a police cruiser. I don't want to see an army of jets in the next movie, so I think having two seekers will be plenty.

The main thing I want from this movie is for the audience to get a feel for who these robots are, and for them to have defining character traits. We really didn't get that in the first movie, at least not with the Decepticons.

I agree...Megatron didn't kill enough for movie fans to put him on the list of evil. If you asked the average movie fan who their favorite movie villains are, do you think they would list Megatron from TF1?? I wouldn't.

by **Born Yesterday** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:49 pm

Just give me Grimlock in the new movie. Thats all I ask. :lol:

by **Auto Bot** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:44 am

When the other Autobots "hidden among the stars" started to heed Prime's call, and came to Earth.... Are we going to see some sort of meteorite rain?

This could have a devastating effect on California.

by **Loki41872** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:12 pm

One of my friends was watching TF last night with me and said;

"You know, they could have just called this movie 'G.I. Joe' and put it out. A G.I. Joe movie with Transformers."

And we discussed how Lennox and the rest reminded us of G.I. Joe.

How about for part 2 COBRA retrieves Megatron from the ocean to create weapons?

Just kidding, of course. I think the two franchises should be kept seperate.... but it could work.

News Credits: 4 · by **Briggs** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:21 pm

We needs this, we need that. Yes, all the ideas would be great, but in the end, it doesn't matter what we think, because most of the general viewers won't care about things, for example, the megatron/starscream thing. Yes, to us, that makes transformers, but to them, it's no big deal!

I want the bots to live in the old sector 7 HQ, and I want the cons hanging out in a shady bar.

by **Coolyfett** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:19 pm

Briggs wrote:We needs this, we need that. Yes, all the ideas would be great, but in the end, it doesn't matter what we think, because most of the general viewers won't care about things, for example, the megatron/starscream thing. Yes, to us, that makes transformers, but to them, it's no big deal!

I want the bots to live in the old sector 7 HQ, and I want the cons hanging out in a shady bar.

Nothing wrong with the newbies learning the truth. Right?? You know like I know Starscream and Megatrons relationship is just as important as Lex Luther trying to kill Superman & just as important as Batman having a partner named Robin. Certain things are just SET IN STONE. It is what it is.

by **starhorse** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:39 pm

I had an idea for the dinobots that I figured I would throw out. It seems to be a concern that the practicality of having a dinosaur form as an alt mode wouldn't be much of a good disguise. I recalled that most of the Allspark creations using Earth technology seemed to be more monstorous than humanoid in robot mode. Working off that, I thought maybe the dinosaur forms could be the robot forms for the dinobots. They don't necessarily have to be robotic replicas of earth dinosaurs, but merely be prehistoric looking. Perhaps the autobots could experiment with the remaining Allspark shard and create, at the very least, Grimlock out of earth technology.

Not really sure what would make the best alt modes for them, but I liked the idea of having Swoop as some sort of fighter plane. I figured maybe the autobots would use an older style fighterplane from a scrap yard or something.

by **Coolyfett** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:59 pm

starhorse wrote:I had an idea for the dinobots that I figured I would throw out. It seems to be a concern that the practicality of having a dinosaur form as an alt mode wouldn't be much of a good disguise. I recalled that most of the Allspark creations using Earth technology seemed to be more monstorous than humanoid in robot mode. Working off that, I thought maybe the dinosaur forms could be the robot forms for the dinobots. They don't necessarily have to be robotic replicas of earth dinosaurs, but merely be prehistoric looking. Perhaps the autobots could experiment with the remaining Allspark shard and create, at the very least, Grimlock out of earth technology.

Not really sure what would make the best alt modes for them, but I liked the idea of having Swoop as some sort of fighter plane. I figured maybe the autobots would use an older style fighterplane from a scrap yard or something.

Starhorse...Explain to me the importance of the Dinobots for TF2 or TF3? I'd like to know the point man. Dinosaurs WERE cool in the 80s, when they first started finding the fossils and stuff. Thats the only reason they made the Dinobots, to match what most of us were learning in school(in the states). Everyone who was in elementary from 83-90 learned about Dinosaurs and I'm sure most of us did that Museum field trip as well. I know there is many GRIMLOCK fans. I know this, I just think the dinobots are played out, because dinosaurs are played out. The Dinobots can drink Bumblebee lubricants!!!

by **CJH** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:19 pm

starhorse wrote:I had an idea for the dinobots that I figured I would throw out. It seems to be a concern that the practicality of having a dinosaur form as an alt mode wouldn't be much of a good disguise. I recalled that most of the Allspark creations using Earth technology seemed to be more monstorous than humanoid in robot mode. Working off that, I thought maybe the dinosaur forms could be the robot forms for the dinobots. They don't necessarily have to be robotic replicas of earth dinosaurs, but merely be prehistoric looking. Perhaps the autobots could experiment with the remaining Allspark shard and create, at the very least, Grimlock out of earth technology.

Not really sure what would make the best alt modes for them, but I liked the idea of having Swoop as some sort of fighter plane. I figured maybe the autobots would use an older style fighterplane from a scrap yard or something.

They will be stepping on their toes if they think of "using Earth's technology".. given in the first one they said most technology was reversed-engineered from Megatron. So not only is our technology pretty poor to them, it is also automatically evil when the Allspark touches it - as seen in the film. Maybe they make Dinobot(s) and they are forced to control them because they are a little evil, like a rogue-element.
I don't know, I'm a little skeptical like others on this forum about putting Dinobots into it.. I don't think it would work at all with the alt modes. Remove the alt modes.. they cease to be Dinobots... :-?

by **Tramp** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:21 pm

The thing is though, according to Robert Orci over on the official movie message boards, it wasn't because modern technology was reverse-engineered from Megatron that caused the items brought to life by the Allspark to turn out to be raging monsters. It was becasue the Allspark was not meant to be used directly on objects to bring them to life directly. It was meant to be used on a planet, and through the planet, encourage the development of life.

by **Cthulhunicron** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:56 am

Coolyfett wrote:Starhorse...Explain to me the importance of the Dinobots for TF2 or TF3? I'd like to know the point man. Dinosaurs WERE cool in the 80s, when they first started finding the fossils and stuff. Thats the only reason they made the Dinobots, to match what most of us were learning in school(in the states). Everyone who was in elementary from 83-90 learned about Dinosaurs and I'm sure most of us did that Museum field trip as well. I know there is many GRIMLOCK fans. I know this, I just think the dinobots are played out, because dinosaurs are played out. The Dinobots can drink Bumblebee lubricants!!!

Uh...they didn't first find dinosaur bones in the 1980s. In 1677, Dr. Robert Plot found a fossilized thigh bone from a Megalosaurus and in 1822, Mary Mantell found an Iguanodon tooth.

by **starhorse** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:28 am

Coolyfett wrote:Starhorse...Explain to me the importance of the Dinobots for TF2 or TF3? I'd like to know the point man. Dinosaurs WERE cool in the 80s, when they first started finding the fossils and stuff. Thats the only reason they made the Dinobots, to match what most of us were learning in school(in the states). Everyone who was in elementary from 83-90 learned about Dinosaurs and I'm sure most of us did that Museum field trip as well. I know there is many GRIMLOCK fans. I know this, I just think the dinobots are played out, because dinosaurs are played out. The Dinobots can drink Bumblebee lubricants!!!

Haha, so do you believe that dinosaurs were discovered in the 1980's just because that's when you first started learning about them as a kid?

I don't recall saying that they were integral to the plot or anything. I was just trying to come up with an interesting and reasonable way for them to come into the story. Not sure why someone would question the point of them. I mean what's the fricken point of transformers period. It's just fun and looks cool, that's what drew us in initially as kids.

Sometimes I think people take this **** way too seriously...

by **Auto Bot** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:42 am

What's with this dinosaur bone stuff?

If Grimlock would have scanned these dinosaur bones for an alt mode.... he'd be a WALKING SKELETON!

That may not be a correct idea.

The only plausible way is to have Grimlock fall to Earth eons ago, and then entered into stasis mode. Only to be awaken at the present time.

Or, that Grimlock somehow stumbled into a time warp thing.

I don't buy the idea of scanning fossil bones, or replicas in museum. It makes no sense to scan a dead unmoving item with no function whatsoever, except to stand as statues for people to gawk at.

by **Death Broker** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:57 am

hows about have wheeljack build em'

by **Sentinel Pax** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:57 am

Auto Bot wrote:What's with this dinosaur bone stuff?

If Grimlock would have scanned these dinosaur bones for an alt mode.... he'd be a WALKING SKELETON!

That may not be a correct idea.

The only plausible way is to have Grimlock fall to Earth eons ago, and then entered into stasis mode. Only to be awaken at the present time.

Or, that Grimlock somehow stumbled into a time warp thing.

I don't buy the idea of scanning fossil bones, or replicas in museum. It makes no sense to scan a dead unmoving item with no function whatsoever, except to stand as statues for people to gawk at.

Well, I think the skeleton idea would work out great, because in order for Grimlock to move fluidly in alt mode, his design would have to be similar to Skorponok's, which would look killer, and be not much more than a skeleton, really.

by **Coolyfett** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:23 pm

starhorse wrote:
Coolyfett wrote:Starhorse...Explain to me the importance of the Dinobots for TF2 or TF3? I'd like to know the point man. Dinosaurs WERE cool in the 80s, when they first started finding the fossils and stuff. Thats the only reason they made the Dinobots, to match what most of us were learning in school(in the states). Everyone who was in elementary from 83-90 learned about Dinosaurs and I'm sure most of us did that Museum field trip as well. I know there is many GRIMLOCK fans. I know this, I just think the dinobots are played out, because dinosaurs are played out. The Dinobots can drink Bumblebee lubricants!!!

Haha, so do you believe that dinosaurs were discovered in the 1980's just because that's when you first started learning about them as a kid?

I don't recall saying that they were integral to the plot or anything. I was just trying to come up with an interesting and reasonable way for them to come into the story. Not sure why someone would question the point of them. I mean what's the fricken point of transformers period. It's just fun and looks cool, that's what drew us in initially as kids.

Sometimes I think people take this **** way too seriously...

LOL LOL LOL I FEEL you about CERTAIN PEOPLE TAKING THIS TOO SERIOUSLY..... No I know dinosaurs weren't DISCOVERED in the 80s but the Dinosaur popularity was BIG in the 80s, not the 70s, 60s, or 50s a lot of other things where going on. Dinosaurs my be cool for you and thats fine bro. My point is Dinosaurs are NOT sexy lol lol. I hope they do not use them.

Don't get mad cupcake. You can always watch Barney reruns ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Picture me in the stripclub bud.[/b]

by **starhorse** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:09 pm

nah, don't mistake my comments for anger. I have no attachment to the dinobots. I pretty much just became interested in Transformers again when the movie came out. That being said, you shouldn't consider me to have a biased opinion on the topic.

Anyway we already have a Decepticon character who has a robot form of an animal in Scorponok. I thought it plausible that there could be a robotic monster with prehistoric design influences as the character Grimlock. And I like the idea of having him more like a Ravage type of character, in that his normal form is that of an animal and he then transforms into some sort of vehicle for alt mode.

by **Coolyfett** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:19 pm

starhorse wrote:nah, don't mistake my comments for anger. I javascript:emoticon(':cry:')
Crying or Very sadhave no attachment to the dinobots. I pretty much just became interested in Transformers again when the movie came out. That being said, you shouldn't consider me to have a biased opinion on the topic.

I think that applies to me as well lol. My interest has been renewed with the new film. I'm just learning the folks on here.

Plus the stripclub is not even open yet.

by **Auto Bot** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:48 am

Death Broker wrote:hows about have wheeljack build em'

That could work for G1 storyline. Since both sides can create new Transformers by their own.

But Movie story runs along the line that all Transformers life are created by the Allspark. They were not made by comrades. Otherwise, Megatron won't be so adamant to capture the Allspark at all cost, so that he can create new life forms from Earth's machines.

From the way i understand it, Transformers can either be already existing and came from Cybertron, or someone has to use the Allspark to create new Transformers.

Wheeljack may not have that divine power to create new Transformers.

New clones, maybe.

by **futuresoundwave294** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:40 pm

i have a good sequel idea. so please respond to this, im a new guy, and i wud appreaciate it loads. okay fist characters:

Autobots: optimus prime, ironhide (dies), ratchet(dies), Jazz (revived in G1 colors), bumblebee, arcee, ultra magnus, wheeljack, and the dinobots.

decepticons: soundwave (radically controversial alternate mode), starscream, barricade, wreckage (awesome toy), thundercracker, swindle, jetfire, the constructicons.

humans: sam witwicky, mikeala, joshua langes (something weird about him, and all other humans such as sam's parents, take a BACKSEAT role. too many damn human character attention, not enough went to the transformers, and im sure most of u will agree.

plot outline: the decepticon starscream is visiting another planet. he does so to look for a stasis locked soundwave. after releasing soundwave, soundwave calls some decepticon reinforcements. after they arrive soundwave duels starscream for leadership. starscream has his ass handed to him by soundwave. he now is jus a lackey.

on earth, the autobots have adjusted to earth life. optimus even works for a trucking company! but about 45 minutes into the movie the decepticons attack wit starscream seemingly leading the assault. optimus fights starscream, while ironhide along with ratchet discover soundwave and pursue him. they are both defeated and killed, ironhide by soundwave, and ratchet by a surprise attack from wreckage.
soonafter arcee, ultra magnus, and wheeljack arrive. wheeljack will attemp to create the dinobots witha fraction of the alsparck. long story short soundwave's alternate mode is not seen till the end of the movie, when sam and mikeala's new "friend" josh, turns out to have been soundwave, with a human alternate mode. too maany details... if u want more of this idea, then respond. i would be here forever if i typed the whole movie plot.

by **Cthulhunicron** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:23 pm

Personally, I don't really need to see Dinobots in the next movie. I think they should stick to vehicles.

News Credits: 2 · by **Justicity** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:28 pm

futuresoundwave294 wrote:~snippy snippy~
long story short soundwave's alternate mode is not seen till the end of the movie, when sam and mikeala's new "friend" josh, turns out to have been soundwave, with a human alternate mode. too maany details... if u want more of this idea, then respond. i would be here forever if i typed the whole movie plot.

Hold up, hold up! If anyone has a human altmode it'll have to be Sideways. Soundwave as a human, no way.
I did actually come up with a design for both human & robot modes, including transformation for a human/Sideways character a while ago. Though I don't know where it is, and It could easily have been left in Sicily....

by **Coolyfett** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:30 pm

futuresoundwave294 wrote:i have a good sequel idea. so please respond to this, im a new guy, and i wud appreaciate it loads. okay fist characters:

Autobots: optimus prime, ironhide (dies), ratchet(dies), Jazz (revived in G1 colors), bumblebee, arcee, ultra magnus, wheeljack, and........

You had me until that last name you said....

News Credits: 2 · by **Justicity** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:40 pm

My idea. Screw any other Autobots. Screamer amasses an army.

It's now Prime, Ironhide, Ratchet, Bumblebee, & Sam. (Yup, no Arcee, no Magnus, and Mikaela & Sam will obviously brake up so there's no need for her) Verses:

Screamer, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Ramjet, Thrust & Dirge, Shockwave, Soundwave, Ravage, Lazerbeak & Rumble. Do you think that's enough overkill on the Autobots? Maybe throw in some drones. Maybe Swindle & Payload. Wreckage???

Maybe the Autobot's will survive ^^